| 201. The moment you sell the F'35 to Japan or Australia you will have delivered the tech to China. |
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And again. I doubt any European nation will buy F'35.
I believe they never will be produced in such numbers as to make them reasonable machines of war.
I think the Netherlands, Italy, Canada, Norway, Denmark have pretty much opted out of the F'35 future.
Of course, thinks can change... And sure.,. Gripen and Rafale suck ass when compared to what we developed but if you look at their production cost and unit cost/performance they actually don't look that bad.
The reason I am so sure of this is that European Defense Industries have taken the american example and started to give out bribes big time. Ever since Europe plays this way to, the major incentive to buy american junk of war is slowly thinking, especially in the high tech sector.
And I really don't believe we need them.
There was an interesting piece of info i saw lately on how with the current distribution of oil whether China nor the USA could wage a significant air campaign comparable to a longer conflict such as WW2 or Vietnam. But that's a whole other point. Chances are WW2 was the biggest thing ever to happen. Let's see.
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| -RE:F22One day we're going to find out that our F15's, F16's & F18's are no longer able to defend us. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 03:47 PM |
#0 |
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Maybe we already have a secret fleet of something better at the Skunkworks. n/t |
Ian David |
Apr-06-09 03:49 PM |
#1 |
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I doubt it... the F35 is slated to be the aircraft after the F22 |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 03:50 PM |
#2 |
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WHAT? |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 04:58 PM |
#80 |
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Hence the F35s -nt |
gcomeau |
Apr-06-09 03:51 PM |
#3 |
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The F-35s are crap, and vastly inferior to the F-22. |
TheWraith |
Apr-06-09 04:05 PM |
#17 |
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Based on what evaluative criteria? |
gcomeau |
Apr-06-09 04:18 PM |
#34 |
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That is why we are keeping both |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 05:18 PM |
#100 |
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When it comes to air to ground, our existing warbirds are more than adequate. |
TheWraith |
Apr-06-09 05:42 PM |
#121 |
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Different mission than the F22 |
DainBramaged |
Apr-06-09 06:49 PM |
#161 |
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Upgrade the avionics. |
TheWraith |
Apr-07-09 09:24 AM |
#211 |
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How many F22's do we need? |
vicman |
Apr-06-09 03:51 PM |
#4 |
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The Russians aren't really the threat. They will sell the planes to other companies |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 03:58 PM |
#6 |
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transnational corporations - how true. they are the enemy. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-06-09 06:42 PM |
#158 |
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Maybe if we didn't attack a new country every few years, we wouldn't have to worry so much. |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 03:53 PM |
#5 |
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Thank you, we spend far too much on war and not nearly enough on peace. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 04:00 PM |
#7 |
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Not accurate. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:01 PM |
#9 |
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We don't? |
gratuitous |
Apr-06-09 04:06 PM |
#19 |
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You forgot to mention Grenada, Panama, Serbia, Somalia, Columbia, and the Sudan. |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:10 PM |
#24 |
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Rewrite History Much? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:13 PM |
#28 |
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Grenada and Panama attacked us? |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 04:35 PM |
#57 |
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Not the Continental U.S. but American citizens in their countries YES. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:37 PM |
#61 |
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Grenada? |
northzax |
Apr-06-09 04:46 PM |
#70 |
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Next the OP will tell us about the slaughtered babies of Kuwait. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 04:55 PM |
#78 |
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No I won't - the first Gulf War was about oil just as the current Iraq occupation is. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:58 PM |
#81 |
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Oh yes. |
bvar22 |
Apr-06-09 05:50 PM |
#127 |
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No one in the international community agreed with the excuse given for Panama |
wuushew |
Apr-06-09 04:59 PM |
#82 |
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The WOD is a pseudo war but not a winnable one. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:06 PM |
#90 |
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Right after people stop wanting to take the drug alcohol.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-06-09 05:39 PM |
#119 |
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I don't believe that it can ever be TOTALLY eliminated... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:10 PM |
#138 |
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But the popularity of alcohol and reefer have remained fairly constant through all that.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-06-09 06:36 PM |
#154 |
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I don't disagree but the solution to a screwed up society isn't to mask the symptoms with drugs |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:59 PM |
#164 |
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Doug No Clue n/t |
Every Man A King |
Apr-07-09 08:58 AM |
#208 |
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Cambodia and Laos are part of Vietnam. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:11 PM |
#25 |
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I said "attacking" not "invading" other countries |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:12 PM |
#26 |
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That's ridiculuous. Iraq and Vietnam are the only real unjustifiable uses of American force |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:14 PM |
#29 |
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How was Grenada justifiable? |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:22 PM |
#39 |
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American citizens were threatened in Grenada |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:28 PM |
#45 |
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No they weren't. That is just total nonsense. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 05:03 PM |
#86 |
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You should know better than to believe Reagan-era propaganda |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-06-09 05:33 PM |
#111 |
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All I know |
guardian |
Apr-06-09 11:19 PM |
#195 |
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What utter bullshit. My ex wife was from Grenada, and I went there a few years after the "war" |
HamdenRice |
Apr-07-09 05:47 AM |
#205 |
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I assume the Cubans imposed martial law during the coup attempt |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-07-09 05:52 PM |
#222 |
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You for got the sarcasm smilie. n/t |
arcadian |
Apr-06-09 05:57 PM |
#131 |
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"people went to jail for it" |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 04:41 PM |
#65 |
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Stop trying to rewrite your posts |
gratuitous |
Apr-06-09 04:49 PM |
#73 |
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Cambodia and Laos were DEFINITELY part of Vietnam. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:56 PM |
#79 |
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You are using the word "Vietnam" to include the whole Vietnam conflict... |
JHB |
Apr-07-09 09:15 AM |
#209 |
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ddeclue |
Diclotican |
Apr-06-09 05:21 PM |
#105 |
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Republican President in 1953, Eisenhower NOT Truman. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:30 PM |
#108 |
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ddeclue |
Diclotican |
Apr-07-09 07:06 AM |
#206 |
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WHAT? |
tjwash |
Apr-06-09 04:08 PM |
#23 |
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Um NO... are you listening to your nonsense? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:18 PM |
#33 |
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afghanistan did nothing to us- but we attacked them. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:30 PM |
#49 |
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Other than provide aid and comfort and safe harbor to those who launched 9/11 |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:32 PM |
#51 |
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the reason we invaded afghanistan was to prepare for the invasion of iraq. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:36 PM |
#58 |
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Ummm NO we invade Afghanistan because it was the launching platform for 9/11 |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:40 PM |
#63 |
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9/11 was carried out and funded by saudi's...the 'pilots' trained in the u.s.... |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:43 PM |
#68 |
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The plan was hatched and controlled by the AQ leadership in Afghanistan |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:50 PM |
#74 |
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The plan was hatched and financed by Saudi royals |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 05:08 PM |
#91 |
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Saudi Royals is a rather indefinite term given how many members of the "royal family" there actually |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:18 PM |
#99 |
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But we didn't go there. We still haven't. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 05:56 PM |
#130 |
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Not my fault that George W. Bush was President the last 8 years.. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:12 PM |
#140 |
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are you implying that all of the 9/11 pilots had afghani passports? |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 05:37 PM |
#117 |
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No where they had passports from is NOT the issue... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:14 PM |
#141 |
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then why did you bring up passports? |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 07:10 PM |
#171 |
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I don't recall bringing up passports, you did.. and you are misinterpreting Bush letting OBL go.. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:18 PM |
#174 |
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you don't have to recall- just go to your post #74. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 07:22 PM |
#175 |
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Twisting my argument sir... YOU brought up the passport issue.. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:25 PM |
#179 |
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show me a post earlier than #74 where i brought up passports, and i'll believe you... |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 09:45 PM |
#191 |
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just as i thought...doug noclue runs and hides again. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-07-09 10:06 AM |
#216 |
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Not one single 9/11 hijacker was from Afghanistan, it was not a launching pad for anything. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 05:17 PM |
#98 |
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It WAS their hide out and launching pad. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:19 PM |
#101 |
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No it wasn't they trained in the US and launched their attacks from our airports. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 05:39 PM |
#120 |
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nor were they funded by afghanistan. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 05:44 PM |
#123 |
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No but they sure as HELL were headquartered there... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:21 PM |
#149 |
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Deliberately obtuse... where they have passports is a ridiculous basis for a war. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:18 PM |
#147 |
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First where is bin Laden? Second what evidence do you have that he planned the attacks? |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 06:29 PM |
#152 |
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His own video proclamations and that of others (KSM) have said so.. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:37 PM |
#155 |
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Are you referring to this obviously fake video? |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 06:47 PM |
#160 |
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No... you can be obtuse if you want but Osama bin Laden was actually |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:09 PM |
#170 |
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Wow you sure like to put words in my mouth... |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 07:25 PM |
#178 |
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We didn't need a war until 9/11 but it would have been politically unacceptable on 9/12 to NOT go |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:27 PM |
#180 |
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And Gore would have been just as wrong, you don't go to war over a single individual. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 07:31 PM |
#182 |
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By your bizarre rationalization then the Revolutionary War was about George Washington |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:37 PM |
#185 |
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bin Laden doesn't command an army, you are comparing apples and oranges. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 08:08 PM |
#187 |
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By your bizarre rationalization then the Revolutionary War was about George Washington |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:40 PM |
#186 |
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wow - that is nonsense. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 04:35 PM |
#56 |
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NO we generally only have been in that mode under Republican Presidents |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:41 PM |
#66 |
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Carter was the anomaly. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 04:51 PM |
#76 |
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Clinton's uses of force were justifiable either in response to attacks on U.S. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:04 PM |
#87 |
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Or consume a disproportionate share of the |
rrneck |
Apr-06-09 04:02 PM |
#11 |
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Regrettably I have to disagree. |
The Traveler |
Apr-06-09 04:03 PM |
#14 |
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Apples and oranges |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:08 PM |
#22 |
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Convince the dead |
The Traveler |
Apr-06-09 04:15 PM |
#30 |
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You completely missed my point |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:26 PM |
#41 |
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You completely missed mine |
The Traveler |
Apr-07-09 02:01 AM |
#200 |
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The only country with aircraft anywhere near equivalent to ours is Russia. |
theoldman |
Apr-06-09 04:01 PM |
#8 |
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Yeah well that's nice but those aircraft are still obsolete and China and Iran and most of the G20 |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:04 PM |
#15 |
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Not to mention the fact that Russia's aircraft are even worse than ours |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:13 PM |
#27 |
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No their latest Migs are on par with our front line aircraft and their new ones will surpass them. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:20 PM |
#36 |
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Agreed. n/t |
tammywammy |
Apr-06-09 04:01 PM |
#10 |
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And what good did those F15's and F16's do us on 9/11? |
hobbit709 |
Apr-06-09 04:02 PM |
#12 |
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And terrorism, isn't the only threat in the world - that's Bush-think. nt |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:04 PM |
#16 |
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and our super duper Alaskan based anti missile missiles |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-06-09 04:16 PM |
#32 |
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THAAD might work... it might not... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:24 PM |
#40 |
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I was at a conference where this chinese engineer was asked about |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-06-09 05:26 PM |
#106 |
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Pretty much standard stuff and all true... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:34 PM |
#112 |
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Backed up by Sarah the vigilant |
icnorth |
Apr-06-09 05:31 PM |
#109 |
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LOL! |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-06-09 05:32 PM |
#110 |
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Maybe she can shot them down from one of her wolf shooting helicopters.. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:35 PM |
#115 |
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Oh lawd. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Apr-06-09 04:03 PM |
#13 |
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It seems pretty clear the future of this technology |
Johonny |
Apr-06-09 04:06 PM |
#18 |
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Not really - at least not for the forseeable future. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:07 PM |
#21 |
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That's so not true. years, decades according to analysts. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 04:29 PM |
#47 |
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No but I know technology and I really don't see that being true |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:34 PM |
#55 |
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Singer states the industry's argument that SemiAtomatedSystems... |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 04:47 PM |
#72 |
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Computer intelligence is just no replacement for human intelligence |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:55 PM |
#77 |
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Morally disturbing has never stopped the United States from being number one. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:05 PM |
#88 |
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I know what they are capable of and what they are not capable of. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:11 PM |
#93 |
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Ok. I totally agree with you but please notice my point that |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:17 PM |
#97 |
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My experience with programming computers only reinforces my belief |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:26 PM |
#107 |
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If you're a programmer, then you should know how quickly artificial intelligence is progressing |
Hugabear |
Apr-07-09 08:54 AM |
#207 |
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pretty sure the real trend is towards unmanned aircraft |
Johonny |
Apr-06-09 10:52 PM |
#193 |
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I just don't see how there is any denying it. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 05:11 AM |
#203 |
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it is OFFENSE spending NOT Defense |
leftchick |
Apr-06-09 04:06 PM |
#20 |
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Yes we DO spend more than the next 27 nations combined |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:21 PM |
#38 |
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So now Europe is going to attack us? |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 05:47 PM |
#125 |
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NO - they are going to sell planes to someone who will. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:06 PM |
#134 |
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Who? |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 06:07 PM |
#135 |
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It's just speculation but the most likely people would be in the Middle East or in China |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:15 PM |
#143 |
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So Iran and China. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 06:45 PM |
#159 |
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They aren't going to attack the US mainland. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:14 PM |
#172 |
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Taiwan is part of China as far as China is concerned. |
endarkenment |
Apr-07-09 09:45 AM |
#214 |
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God Forbid we spend less than THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED on our military!!! |
TahitiNut |
Apr-06-09 04:15 PM |
#31 |
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I'm NOT talking about MORE defense spending, just better choices |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:19 PM |
#35 |
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"the necessary invasion of Afghanistan..." ??? when was that? i guess i missed it. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:20 PM |
#37 |
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Yeah you did.. Don't remember Uncle Ahmed diggin a trench in your front yard? |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 04:27 PM |
#43 |
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Umm does the name Osama bin Laden mean anything to you? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:29 PM |
#46 |
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oh- was he finally apprehended? |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:32 PM |
#54 |
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Don't patronize me...9/11 was a WAR crime, not a mere crime and Afghanistan as a sovereign nation is |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:37 PM |
#60 |
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you really need to learn what a 'war crime' actually is. words mean things. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:40 PM |
#64 |
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No YOU need to learn what war crime means. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:43 PM |
#67 |
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when there is a war going on perhaps. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:46 PM |
#69 |
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I flatly deny your premise that only "sovereign nations" can declare or engage in warfare. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:15 PM |
#95 |
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the minutemen who fired on british troops were british citizens... |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 05:42 PM |
#122 |
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And how are they any different than any terrorist anywhere? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:04 PM |
#133 |
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because terrorists are criminals, not part of any national drive. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 07:01 PM |
#166 |
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You are the one making legalistic ridiculous distinctions about what constitutes an "Act of War" |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:34 PM |
#183 |
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that's because you described 9/11 as a 'war crime', which it obviously wasn't. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 09:51 PM |
#192 |
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Osama Bin Laden? Has to do what with Afghanistan? Beside the fact |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:00 PM |
#84 |
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Oh brother... what a bunch of nonsense... now you are parroting right wing nutters |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:16 PM |
#96 |
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I was thinking the same of you... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Apr-06-09 05:19 PM |
#102 |
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thanks. for a moment there I thought I had to take him serious. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:20 PM |
#104 |
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Read "ghost Wars" .-.. My history professor is most certainly not |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:19 PM |
#103 |
| -
It is utter nonsense that Clinton could have had OBL on a silver platter in the 90's |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:36 PM |
#116 |
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It was in 99/00. The CIA was running the drones, and the argument |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:56 PM |
#129 |
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I'm sorry but there was no way that WJC was gonna get OBL on a silver platter |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:25 PM |
#151 |
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If you are telling me that OBL COMMANDED GROUND FORCES |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 05:08 AM |
#202 |
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It Was In 2001. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-07-09 11:05 AM |
#221 |
| -
i remember the UNnecessary invasion of iraq... 8 years ago and we're still...there...? |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-07-09 07:10 PM |
#228 |
| -
One day we're going to find out that.... |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 04:26 PM |
#42 |
| -
They fly rings around our existing aircraft - they are most decidedly NOT junk. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:31 PM |
#50 |
| -
I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with something that was promised.... |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 04:51 PM |
#75 |
| -
Where do you get all this from? |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 05:39 PM |
#118 |
| -
That is for all intents and purposes a cancellation. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:30 PM |
#153 |
| -
Which is why the F-22 & F-35 were always intended as a team. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 06:42 PM |
#157 |
| -
And when we have to fight China??? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:03 PM |
#167 |
| -
Lets se China get 80 aircraft in the same cateogry as F-22 |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 07:18 PM |
#173 |
| -
China is geographically large as well as populous and growing richer all the time |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:22 PM |
#176 |
| -
I'd say the F-22 program was a success. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Apr-07-09 06:46 PM |
#227 |
| -
Oh, dear, Oh dear! The bogeyman(men) will get us! |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-06-09 04:28 PM |
#44 |
| -
When was the last time we lost a dog fight? |
Hawkowl |
Apr-06-09 04:29 PM |
#48 |
| -
The F16 is old and obsolete. You might have noticed that I said |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:47 PM |
#71 |
| -
It hasn't happened lately, therefore it will never happen? (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Apr-06-09 06:07 PM |
#136 |
| -
Cut the Defense Budget by 30%, then let the generals decide where to spend what's left. |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-06-09 04:32 PM |
#52 |
| -
"You can't trust them Russkies, Mr. President!" |
Ikonoklast |
Apr-06-09 04:32 PM |
#53 |
| -
One can only hope. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-06-09 04:36 PM |
#59 |
| -
I know. This is very disappointing news indeed. |
cboy4 |
Apr-06-09 04:38 PM |
#62 |
| -
any idea when that day might come? |
northzax |
Apr-06-09 04:59 PM |
#83 |
| -
Agreed UAV are main focus. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 05:09 PM |
#92 |
| -
in fact, the number is increasing to 187 |
northzax |
Apr-06-09 06:09 PM |
#137 |
| -
See even better. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 06:21 PM |
#148 |
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Obama must know a President's first duty as CIC is to fulfill the oath taken by all officers under |
jody |
Apr-06-09 05:00 PM |
#85 |
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I'm still waiting for him to go after our domestic enemies |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-06-09 05:34 PM |
#113 |
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So you think we've had about 44 presidents who were guilty of treason? |
JHB |
Apr-07-09 09:22 AM |
#210 |
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Either you meant that as a joke or you failed to read my post. n/t |
jody |
Apr-07-09 09:29 AM |
#212 |
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I read your post, not your mind. |
JHB |
Apr-07-09 10:02 AM |
#215 |
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People familiar with the duties of a President know the seminal documents are NIEs. Have a great day |
jody |
Apr-07-09 10:25 AM |
#217 |
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They aren't getting rid of the F-22 |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 05:06 PM |
#89 |
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Then we'll use our F35s. nt |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-06-09 05:14 PM |
#94 |
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The amusing thing is that some people upthread don't realize that the F-22 |
depakid |
Apr-06-09 05:34 PM |
#114 |
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Most of us are arguing we don't need much of either of them. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 06:02 PM |
#132 |
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Who is number one arms seller in the word? |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 06:15 PM |
#142 |
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HaHa! As I said good luck selling this shit to the Europeans... |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 06:17 PM |
#146 |
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Wrong again. That is the only trend. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 06:39 PM |
#156 |
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The moment you sell the F'35 to Japan or Australia you will have delivered the tech to China. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 04:55 AM |
#201 |
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In training and testing, the F-22 is in a performance class FAR by itself |
depakid |
Apr-06-09 06:16 PM |
#144 |
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THANKS - exactly my point but this thread has degenerated into |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:55 PM |
#163 |
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That's true. But I'm of the persuasion |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 05:18 AM |
#204 |
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LOL, this is your justification? |
ChimpersMcSmirkers |
Apr-06-09 07:36 PM |
#184 |
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The point is that other nations that will be at odds with the US (or its allies) |
depakid |
Apr-06-09 09:10 PM |
#188 |
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Thank you... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:00 PM |
#165 |
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There are always people out there looking to insult John Bull... |
anaxarchos |
Apr-06-09 05:46 PM |
#124 |
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Now your talkin. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 05:49 PM |
#126 |
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It'll probably cost the government more to get out of the contracts |
tammywammy |
Apr-06-09 05:53 PM |
#128 |
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The US Air Force seems to have the unique ability to turn large amounts of cash into hi-tech weapons |
A HERETIC I AM |
Apr-06-09 06:11 PM |
#139 |
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cutting edge trash. Uniquely American. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 06:16 PM |
#145 |
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Missiles and drones are where it's at. |
bemildred |
Apr-06-09 06:23 PM |
#150 |
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Read this thread I opened up. or are you working for one of the companies working on the F22? |
DainBramaged |
Apr-06-09 06:51 PM |
#162 |
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False conclusions and wrong premises. The F22 is obsolete. The real reason behind Obama's decision |
Kip Humphrey |
Apr-06-09 07:04 PM |
#168 |
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Everyone has an idea just not all of them are good. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 11:01 PM |
#194 |
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So license-build the Typhoon, save money and have a great fighter |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-06-09 07:07 PM |
#169 |
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Typhoon? |
anaxarchos |
Apr-06-09 09:33 PM |
#190 |
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This Typhoon- the Eurofighter |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-07-09 12:15 AM |
#196 |
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Oh, and keep cranking out the F-15E as a medium bomber/drone mothership |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-07-09 12:22 AM |
#197 |
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I like the old one... |
anaxarchos |
Apr-07-09 12:43 AM |
#198 |
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Notice the fixed exhaust on the Eurofighter. The F-22 uses a vectored thrust. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Apr-07-09 06:24 PM |
#225 |
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I think you make an important point. |
Renew Deal |
Apr-06-09 07:23 PM |
#177 |
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Meh, the Air Force needs to learn how to manage their projects. |
ChimpersMcSmirkers |
Apr-06-09 07:30 PM |
#181 |
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Wow, an aerospace engineer wedded to the need for more aerospace engineering! |
Bonobo |
Apr-06-09 09:12 PM |
#189 |
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As long as the designers go for functionality instead of designing planes-- |
eridani |
Apr-07-09 12:49 AM |
#199 |
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And who is to blame for this? |
JHB |
Apr-07-09 09:33 AM |
#213 |
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Ok. Who has carriers as well as any benefit from invading the US? |
DS1 |
Apr-07-09 10:29 AM |
#218 |
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The French once built a big expensive wall to keep the Germans out. |
hunter |
Apr-07-09 10:49 AM |
#219 |
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A long thread full of "liberals" |
Uzybone |
Apr-07-09 11:01 AM |
#220 |
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Bigger current threat - MIGs or IEDs? n/t |
HooptieWagon |
Apr-07-09 06:10 PM |
#223 |
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We'd have to try using them for defense, first. n/t |
Orsino |
Apr-07-09 06:19 PM |
#224 |
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I agree and have told my congress people as much. they didn't listen apparently |
Mr. Hyde |
Apr-07-09 06:41 PM |
#226 |
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let us pound our weapons into plowshares |
librechik |
Apr-07-09 07:31 PM |
#229 |
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