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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #92
137. in fact, the number is increasing to 187
minus attrition. figure you lose 3-4 a year in accidents and the like, you're still looking at over 100 in 2020.
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  -RE:F22One day we're going to find out that our F15's, F16's & F18's are no longer able to defend us. ddeclue  Apr-06-09 03:47 PM   #0 
  - Maybe we already have a secret fleet of something better at the Skunkworks. n/t  Ian David   Apr-06-09 03:49 PM   #1 
  - I doubt it... the F35 is slated to be the aircraft after the F22  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 03:50 PM   #2 
     - WHAT?  Statistical   Apr-06-09 04:58 PM   #80 
  - Hence the F35s -nt  gcomeau   Apr-06-09 03:51 PM   #3 
  - The F-35s are crap, and vastly inferior to the F-22.  TheWraith   Apr-06-09 04:05 PM   #17 
     - Based on what evaluative criteria?  gcomeau   Apr-06-09 04:18 PM   #34 
     - That is why we are keeping both  Statistical   Apr-06-09 05:18 PM   #100 
     - When it comes to air to ground, our existing warbirds are more than adequate.  TheWraith   Apr-06-09 05:42 PM   #121 
     - Different mission than the F22  DainBramaged   Apr-06-09 06:49 PM   #161 
        - Upgrade the avionics.  TheWraith   Apr-07-09 09:24 AM   #211 
  - How many F22's do we need?  vicman   Apr-06-09 03:51 PM   #4 
  - The Russians aren't really the threat. They will sell the planes to other companies  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 03:58 PM   #6 
     - transnational corporations - how true. they are the enemy.  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-06-09 06:42 PM   #158 
  - Maybe if we didn't attack a new country every few years, we wouldn't have to worry so much.  Hugabear   Apr-06-09 03:53 PM   #5 
  - Thank you, we spend far too much on war and not nearly enough on peace.  Bjorn Against   Apr-06-09 04:00 PM   #7 
  - Not accurate.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:01 PM   #9 
  - We don't?  gratuitous   Apr-06-09 04:06 PM   #19 
  - You forgot to mention Grenada, Panama, Serbia, Somalia, Columbia, and the Sudan.  Hugabear   Apr-06-09 04:10 PM   #24 
  - Rewrite History Much?  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:13 PM   #28 
     - Grenada and Panama attacked us?  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 04:35 PM   #57 
        - Not the Continental U.S. but American citizens in their countries YES.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:37 PM   #61 
           - Grenada?  northzax   Apr-06-09 04:46 PM   #70 
           - Next the OP will tell us about the slaughtered babies of Kuwait.  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 04:55 PM   #78 
              - No I won't - the first Gulf War was about oil just as the current Iraq occupation is.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:58 PM   #81 
              - Oh yes.  bvar22   Apr-06-09 05:50 PM   #127 
           - No one in the international community agreed with the excuse given for Panama  wuushew   Apr-06-09 04:59 PM   #82 
           - The WOD is a pseudo war but not a winnable one.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:06 PM   #90 
              - Right after people stop wanting to take the drug alcohol..  Fumesucker   Apr-06-09 05:39 PM   #119 
                 - I don't believe that it can ever be TOTALLY eliminated...  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:10 PM   #138 
                    - But the popularity of alcohol and reefer have remained fairly constant through all that..  Fumesucker   Apr-06-09 06:36 PM   #154 
                       - I don't disagree but the solution to a screwed up society isn't to mask the symptoms with drugs  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:59 PM   #164 
           - Doug No Clue n/t  Every Man A King   Apr-07-09 08:58 AM   #208 
  - Cambodia and Laos are part of Vietnam.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:11 PM   #25 
     - I said "attacking" not "invading" other countries  Hugabear   Apr-06-09 04:12 PM   #26 
     - That's ridiculuous. Iraq and Vietnam are the only real unjustifiable uses of American force  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:14 PM   #29 
        - How was Grenada justifiable?  Hugabear   Apr-06-09 04:22 PM   #39 
        - American citizens were threatened in Grenada  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:28 PM   #45 
           - No they weren't. That is just total nonsense.  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 05:03 PM   #86 
           - You should know better than to believe Reagan-era propaganda  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-06-09 05:33 PM   #111 
              - All I know  guardian   Apr-06-09 11:19 PM   #195 
                 - What utter bullshit. My ex wife was from Grenada, and I went there a few years after the "war"  HamdenRice   Apr-07-09 05:47 AM   #205 
                 - I assume the Cubans imposed martial law during the coup attempt  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-07-09 05:52 PM   #222 
        - You for got the sarcasm smilie. n/t  arcadian   Apr-06-09 05:57 PM   #131 
     - "people went to jail for it"  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 04:41 PM   #65 
     - Stop trying to rewrite your posts  gratuitous   Apr-06-09 04:49 PM   #73 
     - Cambodia and Laos were DEFINITELY part of Vietnam.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:56 PM   #79 
        - You are using the word "Vietnam" to include the whole Vietnam conflict...  JHB   Apr-07-09 09:15 AM   #209 
     - ddeclue  Diclotican   Apr-06-09 05:21 PM   #105 
        - Republican President in 1953, Eisenhower NOT Truman.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:30 PM   #108 
           - ddeclue  Diclotican   Apr-07-09 07:06 AM   #206 
  - WHAT?  tjwash   Apr-06-09 04:08 PM   #23 
  - Um NO... are you listening to your nonsense?  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:18 PM   #33 
  - afghanistan did nothing to us- but we attacked them.  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 04:30 PM   #49 
  - Other than provide aid and comfort and safe harbor to those who launched 9/11  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:32 PM   #51 
     - the reason we invaded afghanistan was to prepare for the invasion of iraq.  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 04:36 PM   #58 
        - Ummm NO we invade Afghanistan because it was the launching platform for 9/11  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:40 PM   #63 
           - 9/11 was carried out and funded by saudi's...the 'pilots' trained in the u.s....  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 04:43 PM   #68 
           - The plan was hatched and controlled by the AQ leadership in Afghanistan  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:50 PM   #74 
              - The plan was hatched and financed by Saudi royals  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 05:08 PM   #91 
              - Saudi Royals is a rather indefinite term given how many members of the "royal family" there actually  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:18 PM   #99 
                 - But we didn't go there. We still haven't.  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 05:56 PM   #130 
                    - Not my fault that George W. Bush was President the last 8 years..  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:12 PM   #140 
              - are you implying that all of the 9/11 pilots had afghani passports?  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 05:37 PM   #117 
                 - No where they had passports from is NOT the issue...  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:14 PM   #141 
                    - then why did you bring up passports?  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 07:10 PM   #171 
                       - I don't recall bringing up passports, you did.. and you are misinterpreting Bush letting OBL go..  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:18 PM   #174 
                          - you don't have to recall- just go to your post #74.  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 07:22 PM   #175 
                             - Twisting my argument sir... YOU brought up the passport issue..  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:25 PM   #179 
                                - show me a post earlier than #74 where i brought up passports, and i'll believe you...  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 09:45 PM   #191 
                                - just as i thought...doug noclue runs and hides again.  dysfunctional press   Apr-07-09 10:06 AM   #216 
           - Not one single 9/11 hijacker was from Afghanistan, it was not a launching pad for anything.  Bjorn Against   Apr-06-09 05:17 PM   #98 
              - It WAS their hide out and launching pad.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:19 PM   #101 
                 - No it wasn't they trained in the US and launched their attacks from our airports.  Bjorn Against   Apr-06-09 05:39 PM   #120 
                    - nor were they funded by afghanistan.  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 05:44 PM   #123 
                    - No but they sure as HELL were headquartered there...  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:21 PM   #149 
                    - Deliberately obtuse... where they have passports is a ridiculous basis for a war.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:18 PM   #147 
                       - First where is bin Laden? Second what evidence do you have that he planned the attacks?  Bjorn Against   Apr-06-09 06:29 PM   #152 
                          - His own video proclamations and that of others (KSM) have said so..  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:37 PM   #155 
                             - Are you referring to this obviously fake video?  Bjorn Against   Apr-06-09 06:47 PM   #160 
                                - No... you can be obtuse if you want but Osama bin Laden was actually  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:09 PM   #170 
                                   - Wow you sure like to put words in my mouth...  Bjorn Against   Apr-06-09 07:25 PM   #178 
                                      - We didn't need a war until 9/11 but it would have been politically unacceptable on 9/12 to NOT go  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:27 PM   #180 
                                         - And Gore would have been just as wrong, you don't go to war over a single individual.  Bjorn Against   Apr-06-09 07:31 PM   #182 
                                            - By your bizarre rationalization then the Revolutionary War was about George Washington  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:37 PM   #185 
                                            - bin Laden doesn't command an army, you are comparing apples and oranges.  Bjorn Against   Apr-06-09 08:08 PM   #187 
                                            - By your bizarre rationalization then the Revolutionary War was about George Washington  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:40 PM   #186 
  - wow - that is nonsense.  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 04:35 PM   #56 
     - NO we generally only have been in that mode under Republican Presidents  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:41 PM   #66 
        - Carter was the anomaly.  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 04:51 PM   #76 
           - Clinton's uses of force were justifiable either in response to attacks on U.S.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:04 PM   #87 
  - Or consume a disproportionate share of the  rrneck   Apr-06-09 04:02 PM   #11 
  - Regrettably I have to disagree.  The Traveler   Apr-06-09 04:03 PM   #14 
     - Apples and oranges  Hugabear   Apr-06-09 04:08 PM   #22 
        - Convince the dead  The Traveler   Apr-06-09 04:15 PM   #30 
           - You completely missed my point  Hugabear   Apr-06-09 04:26 PM   #41 
              - You completely missed mine  The Traveler   Apr-07-09 02:01 AM   #200 
  - The only country with aircraft anywhere near equivalent to ours is Russia.  theoldman   Apr-06-09 04:01 PM   #8 
  - Yeah well that's nice but those aircraft are still obsolete and China and Iran and most of the G20  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:04 PM   #15 
  - Not to mention the fact that Russia's aircraft are even worse than ours  Hugabear   Apr-06-09 04:13 PM   #27 
     - No their latest Migs are on par with our front line aircraft and their new ones will surpass them.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:20 PM   #36 
  - Agreed. n/t  tammywammy   Apr-06-09 04:01 PM   #10 
  - And what good did those F15's and F16's do us on 9/11?  hobbit709   Apr-06-09 04:02 PM   #12 
  - And terrorism, isn't the only threat in the world - that's Bush-think. nt  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:04 PM   #16 
  - and our super duper Alaskan based anti missile missiles  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-06-09 04:16 PM   #32 
     - THAAD might work... it might not...  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:24 PM   #40 
     - I was at a conference where this chinese engineer was asked about  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-06-09 05:26 PM   #106 
        - Pretty much standard stuff and all true...  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:34 PM   #112 
     - Backed up by Sarah the vigilant  icnorth   Apr-06-09 05:31 PM   #109 
        - LOL!  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-06-09 05:32 PM   #110 
        - Maybe she can shot them down from one of her wolf shooting helicopters..  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:35 PM   #115 
  - Oh lawd.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-06-09 04:03 PM   #13 
  - It seems pretty clear the future of this technology  Johonny   Apr-06-09 04:06 PM   #18 
  - Not really - at least not for the forseeable future.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:07 PM   #21 
     - That's so not true. years, decades according to analysts.  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 04:29 PM   #47 
     - No but I know technology and I really don't see that being true  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:34 PM   #55 
        - Singer states the industry's argument that SemiAtomatedSystems...  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 04:47 PM   #72 
           - Computer intelligence is just no replacement for human intelligence  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:55 PM   #77 
              - Morally disturbing has never stopped the United States from being number one.  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 05:05 PM   #88 
                 - I know what they are capable of and what they are not capable of.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:11 PM   #93 
                    - Ok. I totally agree with you but please notice my point that  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 05:17 PM   #97 
                       - My experience with programming computers only reinforces my belief  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:26 PM   #107 
                          - If you're a programmer, then you should know how quickly artificial intelligence is progressing  Hugabear   Apr-07-09 08:54 AM   #207 
     - pretty sure the real trend is towards unmanned aircraft  Johonny   Apr-06-09 10:52 PM   #193 
        - I just don't see how there is any denying it.  Democracyinkind   Apr-07-09 05:11 AM   #203 
  - it is OFFENSE spending NOT Defense  leftchick   Apr-06-09 04:06 PM   #20 
  - Yes we DO spend more than the next 27 nations combined  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:21 PM   #38 
     - So now Europe is going to attack us?  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 05:47 PM   #125 
        - NO - they are going to sell planes to someone who will.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:06 PM   #134 
           - Who?  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 06:07 PM   #135 
              - It's just speculation but the most likely people would be in the Middle East or in China  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:15 PM   #143 
                 - So Iran and China.  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 06:45 PM   #159 
                    - They aren't going to attack the US mainland.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:14 PM   #172 
                       - Taiwan is part of China as far as China is concerned.  endarkenment   Apr-07-09 09:45 AM   #214 
  - God Forbid we spend less than THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED on our military!!!  TahitiNut   Apr-06-09 04:15 PM   #31 
  - I'm NOT talking about MORE defense spending, just better choices  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:19 PM   #35 
  - "the necessary invasion of Afghanistan..." ??? when was that? i guess i missed it.  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 04:20 PM   #37 
  - Yeah you did.. Don't remember Uncle Ahmed diggin a trench in your front yard?  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 04:27 PM   #43 
  - Umm does the name Osama bin Laden mean anything to you?  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:29 PM   #46 
  - oh- was he finally apprehended?  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 04:32 PM   #54 
  - Don't patronize me...9/11 was a WAR crime, not a mere crime and Afghanistan as a sovereign nation is  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:37 PM   #60 
     - you really need to learn what a 'war crime' actually is. words mean things.  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 04:40 PM   #64 
        - No YOU need to learn what war crime means.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:43 PM   #67 
           - when there is a war going on perhaps.  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 04:46 PM   #69 
              - I flatly deny your premise that only "sovereign nations" can declare or engage in warfare.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:15 PM   #95 
                 - the minutemen who fired on british troops were british citizens...  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 05:42 PM   #122 
                    - And how are they any different than any terrorist anywhere?  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:04 PM   #133 
                       - because terrorists are criminals, not part of any national drive.  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 07:01 PM   #166 
                          - You are the one making legalistic ridiculous distinctions about what constitutes an "Act of War"  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:34 PM   #183 
                             - that's because you described 9/11 as a 'war crime', which it obviously wasn't.  dysfunctional press   Apr-06-09 09:51 PM   #192 
  - Osama Bin Laden? Has to do what with Afghanistan? Beside the fact  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 05:00 PM   #84 
     - Oh brother... what a bunch of nonsense... now you are parroting right wing nutters  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:16 PM   #96 
        - I was thinking the same of you...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-06-09 05:19 PM   #102 
        - thanks. for a moment there I thought I had to take him serious.  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 05:20 PM   #104 
        - Read "ghost Wars" .-.. My history professor is most certainly not  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 05:19 PM   #103 
           - It is utter nonsense that Clinton could have had OBL on a silver platter in the 90's  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 05:36 PM   #116 
              - It was in 99/00. The CIA was running the drones, and the argument  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 05:56 PM   #129 
                 - I'm sorry but there was no way that WJC was gonna get OBL on a silver platter  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:25 PM   #151 
                    - If you are telling me that OBL COMMANDED GROUND FORCES  Democracyinkind   Apr-07-09 05:08 AM   #202 
  - It Was In 2001.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-07-09 11:05 AM   #221 
     - i remember the UNnecessary invasion of iraq... 8 years ago and we're still...there...?  dysfunctional press   Apr-07-09 07:10 PM   #228 
  - One day we're going to find out that....  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 04:26 PM   #42 
  - They fly rings around our existing aircraft - they are most decidedly NOT junk.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:31 PM   #50 
     - I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with something that was promised....  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 04:51 PM   #75 
        - Where do you get all this from?  Statistical   Apr-06-09 05:39 PM   #118 
        - That is for all intents and purposes a cancellation.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:30 PM   #153 
           - Which is why the F-22 & F-35 were always intended as a team.  Statistical   Apr-06-09 06:42 PM   #157 
              - And when we have to fight China???  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:03 PM   #167 
                 - Lets se China get 80 aircraft in the same cateogry as F-22  Statistical   Apr-06-09 07:18 PM   #173 
                    - China is geographically large as well as populous and growing richer all the time  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:22 PM   #176 
        - I'd say the F-22 program was a success.  cherokeeprogressive   Apr-07-09 06:46 PM   #227 
  - Oh, dear, Oh dear! The bogeyman(men) will get us!  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-06-09 04:28 PM   #44 
  - When was the last time we lost a dog fight?  Hawkowl   Apr-06-09 04:29 PM   #48 
  - The F16 is old and obsolete. You might have noticed that I said  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 04:47 PM   #71 
  - It hasn't happened lately, therefore it will never happen? (nt)  Posteritatis   Apr-06-09 06:07 PM   #136 
  - Cut the Defense Budget by 30%, then let the generals decide where to spend what's left.  Old and In the Way   Apr-06-09 04:32 PM   #52 
  - "You can't trust them Russkies, Mr. President!"  Ikonoklast   Apr-06-09 04:32 PM   #53 
  - One can only hope.  Political Heretic   Apr-06-09 04:36 PM   #59 
  - I know. This is very disappointing news indeed.  cboy4   Apr-06-09 04:38 PM   #62 
  - any idea when that day might come?  northzax   Apr-06-09 04:59 PM   #83 
  - Agreed UAV are main focus.  Statistical   Apr-06-09 05:09 PM   #92 
     - in fact, the number is increasing to 187  northzax   Apr-06-09 06:09 PM   #137 
        - See even better.  Statistical   Apr-06-09 06:21 PM   #148 
  - Obama must know a President's first duty as CIC is to fulfill the oath taken by all officers under  jody   Apr-06-09 05:00 PM   #85 
  - I'm still waiting for him to go after our domestic enemies  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-06-09 05:34 PM   #113 
  - So you think we've had about 44 presidents who were guilty of treason?  JHB   Apr-07-09 09:22 AM   #210 
     - Either you meant that as a joke or you failed to read my post. n/t  jody   Apr-07-09 09:29 AM   #212 
        - I read your post, not your mind.  JHB   Apr-07-09 10:02 AM   #215 
           - People familiar with the duties of a President know the seminal documents are NIEs. Have a great day  jody   Apr-07-09 10:25 AM   #217 
  - They aren't getting rid of the F-22  Statistical   Apr-06-09 05:06 PM   #89 
  - Then we'll use our F35s. nt  Occam Bandage   Apr-06-09 05:14 PM   #94 
  - The amusing thing is that some people upthread don't realize that the F-22  depakid   Apr-06-09 05:34 PM   #114 
     - Most of us are arguing we don't need much of either of them.  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 06:02 PM   #132 
     - Who is number one arms seller in the word?  Statistical   Apr-06-09 06:15 PM   #142 
     - HaHa! As I said good luck selling this shit to the Europeans...  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 06:17 PM   #146 
        - Wrong again. That is the only trend.  Statistical   Apr-06-09 06:39 PM   #156 
           - The moment you sell the F'35 to Japan or Australia you will have delivered the tech to China.  Democracyinkind   Apr-07-09 04:55 AM   #201 
     - In training and testing, the F-22 is in a performance class FAR by itself  depakid   Apr-06-09 06:16 PM   #144 
        - THANKS - exactly my point but this thread has degenerated into  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:55 PM   #163 
        - That's true. But I'm of the persuasion  Democracyinkind   Apr-07-09 05:18 AM   #204 
        - LOL, this is your justification?  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Apr-06-09 07:36 PM   #184 
           - The point is that other nations that will be at odds with the US (or its allies)  depakid   Apr-06-09 09:10 PM   #188 
     - Thank you...  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 07:00 PM   #165 
  - There are always people out there looking to insult John Bull...  anaxarchos   Apr-06-09 05:46 PM   #124 
  - Now your talkin.  endarkenment   Apr-06-09 05:49 PM   #126 
  - It'll probably cost the government more to get out of the contracts  tammywammy   Apr-06-09 05:53 PM   #128 
  - The US Air Force seems to have the unique ability to turn large amounts of cash into hi-tech weapons  A HERETIC I AM   Apr-06-09 06:11 PM   #139 
  - cutting edge trash. Uniquely American.  Democracyinkind   Apr-06-09 06:16 PM   #145 
  - Missiles and drones are where it's at.  bemildred   Apr-06-09 06:23 PM   #150 
  - Read this thread I opened up. or are you working for one of the companies working on the F22?  DainBramaged   Apr-06-09 06:51 PM   #162 
  - False conclusions and wrong premises. The F22 is obsolete. The real reason behind Obama's decision  Kip Humphrey   Apr-06-09 07:04 PM   #168 
  - Everyone has an idea just not all of them are good.  Statistical   Apr-06-09 11:01 PM   #194 
  - So license-build the Typhoon, save money and have a great fighter  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-06-09 07:07 PM   #169 
  - Typhoon?  anaxarchos   Apr-06-09 09:33 PM   #190 
     - This Typhoon- the Eurofighter  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-07-09 12:15 AM   #196 
        - Oh, and keep cranking out the F-15E as a medium bomber/drone mothership  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-07-09 12:22 AM   #197 
        - I like the old one...  anaxarchos   Apr-07-09 12:43 AM   #198 
        - Notice the fixed exhaust on the Eurofighter. The F-22 uses a vectored thrust.  cherokeeprogressive   Apr-07-09 06:24 PM   #225 
  - I think you make an important point.  Renew Deal   Apr-06-09 07:23 PM   #177 
  - Meh, the Air Force needs to learn how to manage their projects.  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Apr-06-09 07:30 PM   #181 
  - Wow, an aerospace engineer wedded to the need for more aerospace engineering!  Bonobo   Apr-06-09 09:12 PM   #189 
  - As long as the designers go for functionality instead of designing planes--  eridani   Apr-07-09 12:49 AM   #199 
  - And who is to blame for this?  JHB   Apr-07-09 09:33 AM   #213 
  - Ok. Who has carriers as well as any benefit from invading the US?  DS1   Apr-07-09 10:29 AM   #218 
  - The French once built a big expensive wall to keep the Germans out.  hunter   Apr-07-09 10:49 AM   #219 
  - A long thread full of "liberals"  Uzybone   Apr-07-09 11:01 AM   #220 
  - Bigger current threat - MIGs or IEDs? n/t  HooptieWagon   Apr-07-09 06:10 PM   #223 
  - We'd have to try using them for defense, first. n/t  Orsino   Apr-07-09 06:19 PM   #224 
  - I agree and have told my congress people as much. they didn't listen apparently  Mr. Hyde   Apr-07-09 06:41 PM   #226 
  - let us pound our weapons into plowshares  librechik   Apr-07-09 07:31 PM   #229 
 

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