| 137. in fact, the number is increasing to 187 |
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minus attrition. figure you lose 3-4 a year in accidents and the like, you're still looking at over 100 in 2020.
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| -RE:F22One day we're going to find out that our F15's, F16's & F18's are no longer able to defend us. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 03:47 PM |
#0 |
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Maybe we already have a secret fleet of something better at the Skunkworks. n/t |
Ian David |
Apr-06-09 03:49 PM |
#1 |
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I doubt it... the F35 is slated to be the aircraft after the F22 |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 03:50 PM |
#2 |
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WHAT? |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 04:58 PM |
#80 |
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Hence the F35s -nt |
gcomeau |
Apr-06-09 03:51 PM |
#3 |
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The F-35s are crap, and vastly inferior to the F-22. |
TheWraith |
Apr-06-09 04:05 PM |
#17 |
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Based on what evaluative criteria? |
gcomeau |
Apr-06-09 04:18 PM |
#34 |
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That is why we are keeping both |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 05:18 PM |
#100 |
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When it comes to air to ground, our existing warbirds are more than adequate. |
TheWraith |
Apr-06-09 05:42 PM |
#121 |
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Different mission than the F22 |
DainBramaged |
Apr-06-09 06:49 PM |
#161 |
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Upgrade the avionics. |
TheWraith |
Apr-07-09 09:24 AM |
#211 |
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How many F22's do we need? |
vicman |
Apr-06-09 03:51 PM |
#4 |
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The Russians aren't really the threat. They will sell the planes to other companies |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 03:58 PM |
#6 |
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transnational corporations - how true. they are the enemy. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-06-09 06:42 PM |
#158 |
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Maybe if we didn't attack a new country every few years, we wouldn't have to worry so much. |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 03:53 PM |
#5 |
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Thank you, we spend far too much on war and not nearly enough on peace. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 04:00 PM |
#7 |
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Not accurate. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:01 PM |
#9 |
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We don't? |
gratuitous |
Apr-06-09 04:06 PM |
#19 |
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You forgot to mention Grenada, Panama, Serbia, Somalia, Columbia, and the Sudan. |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:10 PM |
#24 |
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Rewrite History Much? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:13 PM |
#28 |
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Grenada and Panama attacked us? |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 04:35 PM |
#57 |
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Not the Continental U.S. but American citizens in their countries YES. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:37 PM |
#61 |
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Grenada? |
northzax |
Apr-06-09 04:46 PM |
#70 |
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Next the OP will tell us about the slaughtered babies of Kuwait. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 04:55 PM |
#78 |
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No I won't - the first Gulf War was about oil just as the current Iraq occupation is. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:58 PM |
#81 |
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Oh yes. |
bvar22 |
Apr-06-09 05:50 PM |
#127 |
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No one in the international community agreed with the excuse given for Panama |
wuushew |
Apr-06-09 04:59 PM |
#82 |
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The WOD is a pseudo war but not a winnable one. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:06 PM |
#90 |
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Right after people stop wanting to take the drug alcohol.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-06-09 05:39 PM |
#119 |
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I don't believe that it can ever be TOTALLY eliminated... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:10 PM |
#138 |
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But the popularity of alcohol and reefer have remained fairly constant through all that.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-06-09 06:36 PM |
#154 |
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I don't disagree but the solution to a screwed up society isn't to mask the symptoms with drugs |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:59 PM |
#164 |
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Doug No Clue n/t |
Every Man A King |
Apr-07-09 08:58 AM |
#208 |
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Cambodia and Laos are part of Vietnam. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:11 PM |
#25 |
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I said "attacking" not "invading" other countries |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:12 PM |
#26 |
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That's ridiculuous. Iraq and Vietnam are the only real unjustifiable uses of American force |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:14 PM |
#29 |
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How was Grenada justifiable? |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:22 PM |
#39 |
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American citizens were threatened in Grenada |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:28 PM |
#45 |
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No they weren't. That is just total nonsense. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 05:03 PM |
#86 |
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You should know better than to believe Reagan-era propaganda |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-06-09 05:33 PM |
#111 |
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All I know |
guardian |
Apr-06-09 11:19 PM |
#195 |
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What utter bullshit. My ex wife was from Grenada, and I went there a few years after the "war" |
HamdenRice |
Apr-07-09 05:47 AM |
#205 |
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I assume the Cubans imposed martial law during the coup attempt |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-07-09 05:52 PM |
#222 |
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You for got the sarcasm smilie. n/t |
arcadian |
Apr-06-09 05:57 PM |
#131 |
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"people went to jail for it" |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 04:41 PM |
#65 |
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Stop trying to rewrite your posts |
gratuitous |
Apr-06-09 04:49 PM |
#73 |
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Cambodia and Laos were DEFINITELY part of Vietnam. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:56 PM |
#79 |
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You are using the word "Vietnam" to include the whole Vietnam conflict... |
JHB |
Apr-07-09 09:15 AM |
#209 |
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ddeclue |
Diclotican |
Apr-06-09 05:21 PM |
#105 |
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Republican President in 1953, Eisenhower NOT Truman. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:30 PM |
#108 |
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ddeclue |
Diclotican |
Apr-07-09 07:06 AM |
#206 |
| -
WHAT? |
tjwash |
Apr-06-09 04:08 PM |
#23 |
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Um NO... are you listening to your nonsense? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:18 PM |
#33 |
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afghanistan did nothing to us- but we attacked them. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:30 PM |
#49 |
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Other than provide aid and comfort and safe harbor to those who launched 9/11 |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:32 PM |
#51 |
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the reason we invaded afghanistan was to prepare for the invasion of iraq. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:36 PM |
#58 |
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Ummm NO we invade Afghanistan because it was the launching platform for 9/11 |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:40 PM |
#63 |
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9/11 was carried out and funded by saudi's...the 'pilots' trained in the u.s.... |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:43 PM |
#68 |
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The plan was hatched and controlled by the AQ leadership in Afghanistan |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:50 PM |
#74 |
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The plan was hatched and financed by Saudi royals |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 05:08 PM |
#91 |
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Saudi Royals is a rather indefinite term given how many members of the "royal family" there actually |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:18 PM |
#99 |
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But we didn't go there. We still haven't. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 05:56 PM |
#130 |
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Not my fault that George W. Bush was President the last 8 years.. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:12 PM |
#140 |
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are you implying that all of the 9/11 pilots had afghani passports? |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 05:37 PM |
#117 |
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No where they had passports from is NOT the issue... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:14 PM |
#141 |
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then why did you bring up passports? |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 07:10 PM |
#171 |
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I don't recall bringing up passports, you did.. and you are misinterpreting Bush letting OBL go.. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:18 PM |
#174 |
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you don't have to recall- just go to your post #74. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 07:22 PM |
#175 |
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Twisting my argument sir... YOU brought up the passport issue.. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:25 PM |
#179 |
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show me a post earlier than #74 where i brought up passports, and i'll believe you... |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 09:45 PM |
#191 |
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just as i thought...doug noclue runs and hides again. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-07-09 10:06 AM |
#216 |
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Not one single 9/11 hijacker was from Afghanistan, it was not a launching pad for anything. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 05:17 PM |
#98 |
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It WAS their hide out and launching pad. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:19 PM |
#101 |
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No it wasn't they trained in the US and launched their attacks from our airports. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 05:39 PM |
#120 |
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nor were they funded by afghanistan. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 05:44 PM |
#123 |
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No but they sure as HELL were headquartered there... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:21 PM |
#149 |
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Deliberately obtuse... where they have passports is a ridiculous basis for a war. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:18 PM |
#147 |
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First where is bin Laden? Second what evidence do you have that he planned the attacks? |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 06:29 PM |
#152 |
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His own video proclamations and that of others (KSM) have said so.. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:37 PM |
#155 |
| -
Are you referring to this obviously fake video? |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 06:47 PM |
#160 |
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No... you can be obtuse if you want but Osama bin Laden was actually |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:09 PM |
#170 |
| -
Wow you sure like to put words in my mouth... |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 07:25 PM |
#178 |
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We didn't need a war until 9/11 but it would have been politically unacceptable on 9/12 to NOT go |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:27 PM |
#180 |
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And Gore would have been just as wrong, you don't go to war over a single individual. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 07:31 PM |
#182 |
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By your bizarre rationalization then the Revolutionary War was about George Washington |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:37 PM |
#185 |
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bin Laden doesn't command an army, you are comparing apples and oranges. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-06-09 08:08 PM |
#187 |
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By your bizarre rationalization then the Revolutionary War was about George Washington |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:40 PM |
#186 |
| -
wow - that is nonsense. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 04:35 PM |
#56 |
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NO we generally only have been in that mode under Republican Presidents |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:41 PM |
#66 |
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Carter was the anomaly. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 04:51 PM |
#76 |
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Clinton's uses of force were justifiable either in response to attacks on U.S. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:04 PM |
#87 |
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Or consume a disproportionate share of the |
rrneck |
Apr-06-09 04:02 PM |
#11 |
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Regrettably I have to disagree. |
The Traveler |
Apr-06-09 04:03 PM |
#14 |
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Apples and oranges |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:08 PM |
#22 |
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Convince the dead |
The Traveler |
Apr-06-09 04:15 PM |
#30 |
| -
You completely missed my point |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:26 PM |
#41 |
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You completely missed mine |
The Traveler |
Apr-07-09 02:01 AM |
#200 |
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The only country with aircraft anywhere near equivalent to ours is Russia. |
theoldman |
Apr-06-09 04:01 PM |
#8 |
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Yeah well that's nice but those aircraft are still obsolete and China and Iran and most of the G20 |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:04 PM |
#15 |
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Not to mention the fact that Russia's aircraft are even worse than ours |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 04:13 PM |
#27 |
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No their latest Migs are on par with our front line aircraft and their new ones will surpass them. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:20 PM |
#36 |
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Agreed. n/t |
tammywammy |
Apr-06-09 04:01 PM |
#10 |
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And what good did those F15's and F16's do us on 9/11? |
hobbit709 |
Apr-06-09 04:02 PM |
#12 |
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And terrorism, isn't the only threat in the world - that's Bush-think. nt |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:04 PM |
#16 |
| -
and our super duper Alaskan based anti missile missiles |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-06-09 04:16 PM |
#32 |
| -
THAAD might work... it might not... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:24 PM |
#40 |
| -
I was at a conference where this chinese engineer was asked about |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-06-09 05:26 PM |
#106 |
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Pretty much standard stuff and all true... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:34 PM |
#112 |
| -
Backed up by Sarah the vigilant |
icnorth |
Apr-06-09 05:31 PM |
#109 |
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LOL! |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-06-09 05:32 PM |
#110 |
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Maybe she can shot them down from one of her wolf shooting helicopters.. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:35 PM |
#115 |
| -
Oh lawd. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Apr-06-09 04:03 PM |
#13 |
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It seems pretty clear the future of this technology |
Johonny |
Apr-06-09 04:06 PM |
#18 |
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Not really - at least not for the forseeable future. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:07 PM |
#21 |
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That's so not true. years, decades according to analysts. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 04:29 PM |
#47 |
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No but I know technology and I really don't see that being true |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:34 PM |
#55 |
| -
Singer states the industry's argument that SemiAtomatedSystems... |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 04:47 PM |
#72 |
| -
Computer intelligence is just no replacement for human intelligence |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:55 PM |
#77 |
| -
Morally disturbing has never stopped the United States from being number one. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:05 PM |
#88 |
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I know what they are capable of and what they are not capable of. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:11 PM |
#93 |
| -
Ok. I totally agree with you but please notice my point that |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:17 PM |
#97 |
| -
My experience with programming computers only reinforces my belief |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:26 PM |
#107 |
| -
If you're a programmer, then you should know how quickly artificial intelligence is progressing |
Hugabear |
Apr-07-09 08:54 AM |
#207 |
| -
pretty sure the real trend is towards unmanned aircraft |
Johonny |
Apr-06-09 10:52 PM |
#193 |
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I just don't see how there is any denying it. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 05:11 AM |
#203 |
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it is OFFENSE spending NOT Defense |
leftchick |
Apr-06-09 04:06 PM |
#20 |
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Yes we DO spend more than the next 27 nations combined |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:21 PM |
#38 |
| -
So now Europe is going to attack us? |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 05:47 PM |
#125 |
| -
NO - they are going to sell planes to someone who will. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:06 PM |
#134 |
| -
Who? |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 06:07 PM |
#135 |
| -
It's just speculation but the most likely people would be in the Middle East or in China |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:15 PM |
#143 |
| -
So Iran and China. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 06:45 PM |
#159 |
| -
They aren't going to attack the US mainland. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:14 PM |
#172 |
| -
Taiwan is part of China as far as China is concerned. |
endarkenment |
Apr-07-09 09:45 AM |
#214 |
| -
God Forbid we spend less than THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED on our military!!! |
TahitiNut |
Apr-06-09 04:15 PM |
#31 |
| -
I'm NOT talking about MORE defense spending, just better choices |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:19 PM |
#35 |
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"the necessary invasion of Afghanistan..." ??? when was that? i guess i missed it. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:20 PM |
#37 |
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Yeah you did.. Don't remember Uncle Ahmed diggin a trench in your front yard? |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 04:27 PM |
#43 |
| -
Umm does the name Osama bin Laden mean anything to you? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:29 PM |
#46 |
| -
oh- was he finally apprehended? |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:32 PM |
#54 |
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Don't patronize me...9/11 was a WAR crime, not a mere crime and Afghanistan as a sovereign nation is |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:37 PM |
#60 |
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you really need to learn what a 'war crime' actually is. words mean things. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:40 PM |
#64 |
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No YOU need to learn what war crime means. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:43 PM |
#67 |
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when there is a war going on perhaps. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 04:46 PM |
#69 |
| -
I flatly deny your premise that only "sovereign nations" can declare or engage in warfare. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:15 PM |
#95 |
| -
the minutemen who fired on british troops were british citizens... |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 05:42 PM |
#122 |
| -
And how are they any different than any terrorist anywhere? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:04 PM |
#133 |
| -
because terrorists are criminals, not part of any national drive. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 07:01 PM |
#166 |
| -
You are the one making legalistic ridiculous distinctions about what constitutes an "Act of War" |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:34 PM |
#183 |
| -
that's because you described 9/11 as a 'war crime', which it obviously wasn't. |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-06-09 09:51 PM |
#192 |
| -
Osama Bin Laden? Has to do what with Afghanistan? Beside the fact |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:00 PM |
#84 |
| -
Oh brother... what a bunch of nonsense... now you are parroting right wing nutters |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:16 PM |
#96 |
| -
I was thinking the same of you... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Apr-06-09 05:19 PM |
#102 |
| -
thanks. for a moment there I thought I had to take him serious. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:20 PM |
#104 |
| -
Read "ghost Wars" .-.. My history professor is most certainly not |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:19 PM |
#103 |
| -
It is utter nonsense that Clinton could have had OBL on a silver platter in the 90's |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 05:36 PM |
#116 |
| -
It was in 99/00. The CIA was running the drones, and the argument |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 05:56 PM |
#129 |
| -
I'm sorry but there was no way that WJC was gonna get OBL on a silver platter |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:25 PM |
#151 |
| -
If you are telling me that OBL COMMANDED GROUND FORCES |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 05:08 AM |
#202 |
| -
It Was In 2001. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-07-09 11:05 AM |
#221 |
| -
i remember the UNnecessary invasion of iraq... 8 years ago and we're still...there...? |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-07-09 07:10 PM |
#228 |
| -
One day we're going to find out that.... |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 04:26 PM |
#42 |
| -
They fly rings around our existing aircraft - they are most decidedly NOT junk. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:31 PM |
#50 |
| -
I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with something that was promised.... |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 04:51 PM |
#75 |
| -
Where do you get all this from? |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 05:39 PM |
#118 |
| -
That is for all intents and purposes a cancellation. |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:30 PM |
#153 |
| -
Which is why the F-22 & F-35 were always intended as a team. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 06:42 PM |
#157 |
| -
And when we have to fight China??? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:03 PM |
#167 |
| -
Lets se China get 80 aircraft in the same cateogry as F-22 |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 07:18 PM |
#173 |
| -
China is geographically large as well as populous and growing richer all the time |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:22 PM |
#176 |
| -
I'd say the F-22 program was a success. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Apr-07-09 06:46 PM |
#227 |
| -
Oh, dear, Oh dear! The bogeyman(men) will get us! |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-06-09 04:28 PM |
#44 |
| -
When was the last time we lost a dog fight? |
Hawkowl |
Apr-06-09 04:29 PM |
#48 |
| -
The F16 is old and obsolete. You might have noticed that I said |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 04:47 PM |
#71 |
| -
It hasn't happened lately, therefore it will never happen? (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Apr-06-09 06:07 PM |
#136 |
| -
Cut the Defense Budget by 30%, then let the generals decide where to spend what's left. |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-06-09 04:32 PM |
#52 |
| -
"You can't trust them Russkies, Mr. President!" |
Ikonoklast |
Apr-06-09 04:32 PM |
#53 |
| -
One can only hope. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-06-09 04:36 PM |
#59 |
| -
I know. This is very disappointing news indeed. |
cboy4 |
Apr-06-09 04:38 PM |
#62 |
| -
any idea when that day might come? |
northzax |
Apr-06-09 04:59 PM |
#83 |
| -
Agreed UAV are main focus. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 05:09 PM |
#92 |
| -
in fact, the number is increasing to 187 |
northzax |
Apr-06-09 06:09 PM |
#137 |
| -
See even better. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 06:21 PM |
#148 |
| -
Obama must know a President's first duty as CIC is to fulfill the oath taken by all officers under |
jody |
Apr-06-09 05:00 PM |
#85 |
| -
I'm still waiting for him to go after our domestic enemies |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-06-09 05:34 PM |
#113 |
| -
So you think we've had about 44 presidents who were guilty of treason? |
JHB |
Apr-07-09 09:22 AM |
#210 |
| -
Either you meant that as a joke or you failed to read my post. n/t |
jody |
Apr-07-09 09:29 AM |
#212 |
| -
I read your post, not your mind. |
JHB |
Apr-07-09 10:02 AM |
#215 |
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People familiar with the duties of a President know the seminal documents are NIEs. Have a great day |
jody |
Apr-07-09 10:25 AM |
#217 |
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They aren't getting rid of the F-22 |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 05:06 PM |
#89 |
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Then we'll use our F35s. nt |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-06-09 05:14 PM |
#94 |
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The amusing thing is that some people upthread don't realize that the F-22 |
depakid |
Apr-06-09 05:34 PM |
#114 |
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Most of us are arguing we don't need much of either of them. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 06:02 PM |
#132 |
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Who is number one arms seller in the word? |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 06:15 PM |
#142 |
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HaHa! As I said good luck selling this shit to the Europeans... |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 06:17 PM |
#146 |
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Wrong again. That is the only trend. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 06:39 PM |
#156 |
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The moment you sell the F'35 to Japan or Australia you will have delivered the tech to China. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 04:55 AM |
#201 |
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In training and testing, the F-22 is in a performance class FAR by itself |
depakid |
Apr-06-09 06:16 PM |
#144 |
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THANKS - exactly my point but this thread has degenerated into |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 06:55 PM |
#163 |
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That's true. But I'm of the persuasion |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 05:18 AM |
#204 |
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LOL, this is your justification? |
ChimpersMcSmirkers |
Apr-06-09 07:36 PM |
#184 |
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The point is that other nations that will be at odds with the US (or its allies) |
depakid |
Apr-06-09 09:10 PM |
#188 |
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Thank you... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 07:00 PM |
#165 |
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There are always people out there looking to insult John Bull... |
anaxarchos |
Apr-06-09 05:46 PM |
#124 |
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Now your talkin. |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-09 05:49 PM |
#126 |
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It'll probably cost the government more to get out of the contracts |
tammywammy |
Apr-06-09 05:53 PM |
#128 |
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The US Air Force seems to have the unique ability to turn large amounts of cash into hi-tech weapons |
A HERETIC I AM |
Apr-06-09 06:11 PM |
#139 |
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cutting edge trash. Uniquely American. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-06-09 06:16 PM |
#145 |
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Missiles and drones are where it's at. |
bemildred |
Apr-06-09 06:23 PM |
#150 |
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Read this thread I opened up. or are you working for one of the companies working on the F22? |
DainBramaged |
Apr-06-09 06:51 PM |
#162 |
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False conclusions and wrong premises. The F22 is obsolete. The real reason behind Obama's decision |
Kip Humphrey |
Apr-06-09 07:04 PM |
#168 |
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Everyone has an idea just not all of them are good. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 11:01 PM |
#194 |
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So license-build the Typhoon, save money and have a great fighter |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-06-09 07:07 PM |
#169 |
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Typhoon? |
anaxarchos |
Apr-06-09 09:33 PM |
#190 |
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This Typhoon- the Eurofighter |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-07-09 12:15 AM |
#196 |
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Oh, and keep cranking out the F-15E as a medium bomber/drone mothership |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-07-09 12:22 AM |
#197 |
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I like the old one... |
anaxarchos |
Apr-07-09 12:43 AM |
#198 |
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Notice the fixed exhaust on the Eurofighter. The F-22 uses a vectored thrust. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Apr-07-09 06:24 PM |
#225 |
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I think you make an important point. |
Renew Deal |
Apr-06-09 07:23 PM |
#177 |
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Meh, the Air Force needs to learn how to manage their projects. |
ChimpersMcSmirkers |
Apr-06-09 07:30 PM |
#181 |
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Wow, an aerospace engineer wedded to the need for more aerospace engineering! |
Bonobo |
Apr-06-09 09:12 PM |
#189 |
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As long as the designers go for functionality instead of designing planes-- |
eridani |
Apr-07-09 12:49 AM |
#199 |
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And who is to blame for this? |
JHB |
Apr-07-09 09:33 AM |
#213 |
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Ok. Who has carriers as well as any benefit from invading the US? |
DS1 |
Apr-07-09 10:29 AM |
#218 |
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The French once built a big expensive wall to keep the Germans out. |
hunter |
Apr-07-09 10:49 AM |
#219 |
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A long thread full of "liberals" |
Uzybone |
Apr-07-09 11:01 AM |
#220 |
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Bigger current threat - MIGs or IEDs? n/t |
HooptieWagon |
Apr-07-09 06:10 PM |
#223 |
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We'd have to try using them for defense, first. n/t |
Orsino |
Apr-07-09 06:19 PM |
#224 |
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I agree and have told my congress people as much. they didn't listen apparently |
Mr. Hyde |
Apr-07-09 06:41 PM |
#226 |
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let us pound our weapons into plowshares |
librechik |
Apr-07-09 07:31 PM |
#229 |
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