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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:00 PM
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54. " secure these rights..."
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

I am not a gun person myself, but I am bitterly clinging to the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights.

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  -SCOTUS says self-defense is a personal responsibility, and if attacked by a criminal I will: jody  Apr-06-09 02:47 PM   #0 
  - The Brady Bunch: When seconds count, police are only minutes away!  FLAprogressive   Apr-06-09 02:48 PM   #1 
  - Hee. (nt)  Posteritatis   Apr-06-09 02:50 PM   #3 
     - "When seconds count, police are only minutes away!" and sometimes hours. n/t  jody   Apr-06-09 05:19 PM   #39 
  - NUKE THE BASTIRDS !1!1!!!!!111!  Sebastian Doyle   Apr-06-09 02:49 PM   #2 
  - I will attack them with FRICKEN LAZER BEAMS attached to me head!  Political Heretic   Apr-06-09 02:50 PM   #4 
  - I sometimes think it's a good thing  PDJane   Apr-06-09 02:51 PM   #5 
  - According to that last ruling we are all entitled  kpominville   Apr-06-09 02:54 PM   #6 
  - What took so long, 6 posts before someone brought up nuclear arms as a red herring. n/t  jody   Apr-06-09 02:58 PM   #8 
  - Sure, why not?  LooseWilly   Apr-06-09 03:03 PM   #9 
  - yes  Two Americas   Apr-06-09 03:04 PM   #10 
     - Funny how folks forget that private corporations have ALL "arms" that are made, huh?  TahitiNut   Apr-06-09 06:42 PM   #47 
        - " secure these rights..."  Two Americas   Apr-06-09 08:00 PM   #54 
           - Agree and PA (1776) followed by VT (1777) acknowledged those rights in their constitutions.  jody   Apr-07-09 08:53 AM   #65 
  - Self-defense is a tricky thing.  varkam   Apr-06-09 02:57 PM   #7 
  - I believe the folowing list is correct re stand-your-ground laws.  jody   Apr-06-09 03:08 PM   #11 
  - Ah, much appreciated. I believe that, even in states w/o the duty to retreat...  varkam   Apr-06-09 03:16 PM   #14 
  - My Beretta, on the other hand, is more or less foolproof.  ThomWV   Apr-06-09 03:10 PM   #12 
  - ?  varkam   Apr-06-09 03:16 PM   #15 
  - Heh heh -- he said "foolproof"  Terry in Austin   Apr-06-09 03:30 PM   #22 
  - duty to retreat has been changed over the past couple of years  michreject   Apr-07-09 10:18 AM   #69 
  - Do what was taught to me in bayonet/hand to hand training in boot camp.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-06-09 03:14 PM   #13 
  - "If you get that close, run like a stripy assed zebra."  Fumesucker   Apr-06-09 03:24 PM   #18 
  - I still consider it good advice.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-06-09 03:26 PM   #19 
  - Perfect -- thanks!  Terry in Austin   Apr-06-09 03:28 PM   #21 
  - Had a german teacher once...  Cid_B   Apr-07-09 03:38 PM   #74 
  - I am not a River Dancer.  ZombieHorde   Apr-06-09 03:21 PM   #16 
  - Missing options  Terry in Austin   Apr-06-09 03:23 PM   #17 
  - 10..9..8..7...!  xocet   Apr-06-09 03:26 PM   #20 
  - It's obvious that our military doesn't mind the collateral deaths of the innocent.  L0oniX   Apr-06-09 03:44 PM   #24 
     - Disagree, it's the president and congress who don't "mind the collateral deaths of the innocent."  jody   Apr-06-09 05:11 PM   #34 
  - Where is "Defend myself and use weapons if NECESSARY"?  ieoeja   Apr-06-09 03:36 PM   #23 
  - There's a difference  Indy Lurker   Apr-06-09 03:56 PM   #27 
  - You are right. I should have included "paranoids who don't want to" under the "gun nuts" definition  ieoeja   Apr-06-09 04:25 PM   #29 
  - The operative parts are "Defend myself and use arms" with the "if possible" acknowledging that it  jody   Apr-07-09 12:03 PM   #70 
     - Yeah, I often have an internal debate when answering polls.  ieoeja   Apr-07-09 03:22 PM   #72 
  - I Believe There is Another Category  On the Road   Apr-06-09 03:44 PM   #25 
  - A nearby lamp or tree branch count as 'arms' under this poll (nt)  Posteritatis   Apr-06-09 04:57 PM   #31 
  - Basically note that you- like many others live in irrational fear  depakid   Apr-06-09 03:48 PM   #26 
  - they have the "i'm all right jack" syndrome....  Scout   Apr-06-09 05:06 PM   #32 
  - You don't know me so why make such a stupid diagnose as "live in irrational fear"? Who do you  jody   Apr-06-09 05:18 PM   #38 
  - He has a brace of attack dingoes  doctor jazz   Apr-06-09 05:48 PM   #43 
  - If I have fire insurance and keep an extinguisher in the house...  Irreverend IX   Apr-06-09 05:32 PM   #40 
  - That you even equate the two illustrates the nature of the pathology  depakid   Apr-06-09 07:11 PM   #50 
  - I agree with you for the most part,  GA_ArmyVet   Apr-06-09 06:38 PM   #46 
  - I would use arms, legs, hands, feet, teeth, and nails if need be...  Jack_DeLeon   Apr-06-09 03:59 PM   #28 
  - I have carried a gun every day for nearly 15 years, and intend  old mark   Apr-06-09 04:37 PM   #30 
  - bullshit poll  Scout   Apr-06-09 05:11 PM   #33 
  - Disagree but several of the posts are over qualified to be classified as bullshit. n/t  jody   Apr-06-09 05:12 PM   #36 
  - +1  anigbrowl   Apr-06-09 05:35 PM   #41 
  - Calmly and deliberately give them whatever they want. nt  Occam Bandage   Apr-06-09 05:12 PM   #35 
  - Even if what they want is your Life? If you really would do that, then your courage is right there  jody   Apr-06-09 05:15 PM   #37 
  - The odds of a random yet preventable murder are so much lower  Occam Bandage   Apr-06-09 06:02 PM   #44 
     - I still admire you courage in letting a criminal kill you rather than resist. Of course that's easy  jody   Apr-06-09 06:18 PM   #45 
        - The odds of a criminal randomly attempting to murder me are much lower  Occam Bandage   Apr-06-09 06:56 PM   #49 
           - A rational person would acknowledge the probability of a criminal attempting to kill you is nonzero  jody   Apr-06-09 07:17 PM   #51 
              - And I do, but since your OP did not specify  Occam Bandage   Apr-06-09 08:08 PM   #55 
                 - You said in #44 "odds of a random yet preventable murder are so much lower". Since the probability  jody   Apr-06-09 08:38 PM   #56 
  - Including your body?  Statistical   Apr-07-09 08:50 AM   #64 
  - Hey--haven't they heard that President Bush's job is to protect me?  librechik   Apr-06-09 05:40 PM   #42 
  - FALSE PREMISE - SCOTUS DOES NOT SAY THAT...  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 06:44 PM   #48 
  - Please cite specific SCOTUS cases that prove your assertion to counter the facts I presented. n/t  jody   Apr-06-09 07:20 PM   #52 
     - I'm just reading the actual language of your own post.  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 08:40 PM   #57 
     - Please read the cases I cited. They support my conclusion. n/t  jody   Apr-07-09 07:51 AM   #61 
     - Their point seems to be legit.  varkam   Apr-06-09 10:01 PM   #59 
        - If govt. is obligated to protect an individual, then she/he can sue govt. for failure to protect.  jody   Apr-07-09 07:50 AM   #60 
           - Not quite.  varkam   Apr-07-09 08:14 AM   #62 
              - You: "They are not saying that there is no affirmative duty on the government to protect citizens"  jody   Apr-07-09 08:40 AM   #63 
                 - Okay.  varkam   Apr-08-09 07:09 AM   #75 
                    - OK, please cite an enumerated right that obligates govt. to protect an individual. If one exists,  jody   Apr-08-09 07:36 AM   #76 
                       - What?  varkam   Apr-08-09 07:43 AM   #77 
                          - Have a good day and good bye. n/t  jody   Apr-08-09 07:53 AM   #78 
  - Run.  alarimer   Apr-06-09 07:26 PM   #53 
  - Who the hell is refusing to defend themselves?  MrSlayer   Apr-06-09 08:54 PM   #58 
  - I'll use arms if necessary  guitar man   Apr-07-09 09:28 AM   #66 
  - Oh boy.....  marmar   Apr-07-09 09:40 AM   #67 
  - Defend myself and use arms if possible.  michreject   Apr-07-09 10:14 AM   #68 
  - Nearly always, the best way to avoid being injured/killed by a criminal is to cooperate.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-07-09 01:05 PM   #71 
  - I will use every means at hand to defend myself and loved ones if attacked.  virginia mountainman   Apr-07-09 03:31 PM   #73 

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