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82. Learning from Ladakh
Robert: I just got back from the Soviet Union, where I was involved in a small way in doing a number of the things that you were just describing there, and that's a place, too, where there's a great interest and hunger for the kind of information that doesn't show up on the TV that much. But it is remarkable how rapidly that information has been getting to Gorbachev and the Central Committee. That's one of the things that's helping to drive the changes that are going on there. It's definitely worth putting energy into, whether it's in Ladakh or in Novosibirsk or in Beijing. Do you feel that there's more leverage for change than people recognize?

Helena: Yes, very definitely. And the change could be very rapid in the right direction, as long as there were the critical mass of people who were willing it that way. Another thing I want to say which is very unpopular and difficult, especially in America, is that we do have to look very carefully at our energy choices and technologies, and that we can't overlook the impact of certain technological options in terms of the terrible centralization. People don't want large nuclear energy plants or large rubbish dumps or incinerators near themselves, and yet they are not clearly saying politically. "We don't want them at all." I think sometimes with the New Age and the emphasis on the spiritual connections, we can forget some of those realities which we do have to deal with.

From my experience in Ladakh, I can say with great assurance that it's not an increased consumption of energy that makes us happier. On the contrary, with a lower consumption of energy, we develop our own energies much more, and I attribute the vitality and the joy that I feel in Ladakh to that. You get a lot more exercise as part of your daily life, and you're also using your psychic and creative powers much more. And almost all their activities are participatory, whether it's entertainment or whatever. There is no question that they have at least as much to teach us as we have to teach them.

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  -Don't Hate Me Because I'm Happy Dora  Mar-30-07 12:12 AM   #0 
  - For those who conduct themselves morally, happiness is not a right.  lvx35   Mar-30-07 12:23 AM   #1 
  - Thanks for the validation.  Dora   Mar-30-07 12:31 AM   #3 
  - Yes this is very true.  truedelphi   Mar-30-07 02:15 AM   #18 
  - No, you are not alone...  TomInTib   Mar-30-07 12:31 AM   #2 
  - Thanks, Tom.  Dora   Mar-30-07 12:35 AM   #5 
  - Grumble Grumble Grumble Piss Piss Piss Moan moan moan.  impeachdubya   Mar-30-07 12:34 AM   #4 
  - Wow that is scary  Carni   Mar-31-07 09:16 AM   #101 
  - One Great Post!  bonito   Mar-30-07 12:36 AM   #6 
  - Your attitude is the first and last of the human freedoms. . .  Journeyman   Mar-30-07 12:39 AM   #7 
  - That is an excellent POV.  votesomemore   Mar-30-07 01:01 AM   #10 
  - you choose votes  AZDemDist6   Mar-30-07 01:09 AM   #14 
     - So True.  votesomemore   Mar-30-07 01:38 AM   #15 
     - ...  AZDemDist6   Mar-30-07 01:46 AM   #16 
     - That's the essence of meditation.  TahitiNut   Mar-30-07 08:44 AM   #26 
        - "In the present"  tenshi816   Mar-31-07 02:37 PM   #120 
           - "I want to be the person my dog sees when he looks at me."  TahitiNut   Mar-31-07 04:04 PM   #127 
              - bumpersticker  genevat   Mar-31-07 04:33 PM   #129 
  - Wow, wow, wow. I wish I could mod up that response somehow.  lvx35   Mar-30-07 01:04 AM   #11 
  - Frankl is no peddler of Secrets  eridani   Mar-30-07 02:07 AM   #17 
  - No. He never said that.  votesomemore   Mar-30-07 03:06 AM   #19 
  - Something fishy about "The Secret"...  MonteLukast   Mar-31-07 05:45 AM   #92 
  - ? ? ? You'll have to explain your reply, as I see no relation between it. . .  Journeyman   Mar-31-07 05:21 PM   #132 
  - Afuckingmen!  TahitiNut   Mar-30-07 08:39 AM   #25 
  - Thanks for that.  Dora   Mar-30-07 09:45 AM   #40 
  - thank you. nt  genevat   Mar-31-07 04:35 PM   #130 
  - Nothing wrong with pursuing happiness-the question is what brings happiness  Reterr   Mar-30-07 12:40 AM   #8 
  - That's the interesting challenge of it all: The fine art of happiness with less crap.  lvx35   Mar-30-07 01:08 AM   #13 
  - SeenThe Wizard of Oz lately?  Dora   Mar-30-07 09:44 AM   #39 
  - Just curious, what are you doing to achieve your goal?  Bluedogvoter   Mar-30-07 12:45 AM   #9 
  - Heh - make that plural: "goals."  Dora   Mar-30-07 09:20 AM   #30 
  - Reminds me of what I tell myself, kids and grandkids  lyonn   Mar-30-07 04:33 PM   #74 
     - Priceless.  Dora   Mar-31-07 03:57 PM   #125 
  - WELCOME TO DU!!!  AZBlue   Mar-30-07 10:40 PM   #79 
  - I'm congentially happy  AZDemDist6   Mar-30-07 01:05 AM   #12 
  - But what happens when...  MonteLukast   Mar-31-07 05:47 AM   #93 
  - Good for You.  Everybody   Mar-30-07 05:54 AM   #20 
  - Happiness should not override any realization  mmonk   Mar-30-07 06:09 AM   #21 
  - I agree. Happiness does not override recognition. n/t  Dora   Mar-30-07 09:26 AM   #34 
  - That's exactly what I'm talking about.  MonteLukast   Mar-31-07 05:50 AM   #94 
  - Well stated. . .  stellanoir   Mar-30-07 06:13 AM   #22 
  - I hope you do repost it this year.  Dora   Mar-30-07 09:21 AM   #32 
  - Well as long as your happiness isn't robbing someone else of their happiness...  entanglement   Mar-30-07 07:48 AM   #23 
  - Of course.  Dora   Mar-30-07 09:06 AM   #28 
     - Have you had a bad experience on some other thread?  entanglement   Mar-30-07 09:42 AM   #37 
        - No, I've avoided those confrontations.  Dora   Mar-30-07 09:57 AM   #42 
  - Just as long as in your happiness you aren't ignoring that others are suffering  TheGoldenRule   Mar-30-07 08:21 AM   #24 
  - Happiness is neither the same as comfort nor antithetical to suffering.  TahitiNut   Mar-30-07 08:48 AM   #27 
  - indeed!  AZDemDist6   Mar-30-07 12:36 PM   #65 
  - Works for me.  TahitiNut   Mar-30-07 12:54 PM   #67 
  - this is what i tell my kids  genevat   Mar-31-07 04:47 PM   #131 
     - That's quite possible the best lesson they'll ever get, imho.  TahitiNut   Apr-02-07 09:49 AM   #136 
  - Suffering is universal. It's as true as impermanence, and suffering is that, too.  Dora   Mar-30-07 09:10 AM   #29 
  - delete - mispost  Dora   Mar-30-07 09:30 AM   #35 
  - That's what I was thinking... Pursuing Happiness can be obstructed...  djohnson   Mar-30-07 09:33 AM   #36 
  - I can only answer for myself, but I've found that the more positive and pro-active I've become in my  AZBlue   Mar-30-07 10:47 PM   #80 
  - It is interesting to see this in print.  peace13   Mar-30-07 09:20 AM   #31 
  - Thanks. I think my happiness makes me a stronger warrior for peace.  Dora   Mar-30-07 09:25 AM   #33 
     - Happiness  BeFree   Mar-30-07 09:44 AM   #38 
     - I agree with how happiness makes you stronger.  peace13   Mar-30-07 03:09 PM   #71 
  - BRAVO!! You are certainly not alone!  helderheid   Mar-30-07 09:46 AM   #41 
  - Don't hate me because I'm Happy. Hate me because I'm Complacent , Satisfied, unaware of the plight  slampoet   Mar-30-07 10:06 AM   #43 
  - People CAN chew gum and walk at the same time. I'm not complacent.  helderheid   Mar-30-07 10:07 AM   #44 
  - Why do you accuse me of ignorance? Why do you presume my tolerance of injustice?  Dora   Mar-30-07 10:12 AM   #45 
  - Gratitude is a wonderful and powerful emotion - as is happiness. It doesn't mean you turn your back  helderheid   Mar-30-07 10:31 AM   #47 
  - I am happy AND I am working for global change!  KitchenWitch   Mar-30-07 11:36 AM   #59 
  - i think you can be aware of injustice and still be happy -- in fact, you owe that to your family  nashville_brook   Mar-30-07 12:07 PM   #61 
  - hmmmm  stellanoir   Mar-30-07 03:16 PM   #72 
  - The irony is...  MonteLukast   Mar-31-07 05:56 AM   #95 
  - Anger's an emotion and all emotion good or bad clouds the thinking mind  downstairsparts   Mar-31-07 05:11 AM   #89 
  - You can't help anyone if you are ill mentally and physically  Carni   Mar-31-07 10:01 AM   #102 
  - Happiness is not part and parcel of being unaware or complacent.  mondo joe   Mar-31-07 11:19 AM   #110 
  - Don't be hatin'  omega minimo   Mar-30-07 10:30 AM   #46 
  - Thanks for the feedback.  Dora   Mar-30-07 10:38 AM   #49 
     - Still like to read the whole damn thing  omega minimo   Mar-31-07 12:23 AM   #87 
  - I'm happy for you  Forkboy   Mar-30-07 10:35 AM   #48 
  - And me, you.  Dora   Mar-30-07 10:39 AM   #50 
  - Be Happy! Be Nice To Women!  Bruce McAuley   Mar-30-07 10:46 AM   #51 
  - I think we could be nice to everyone.  Dora   Mar-30-07 10:53 AM   #52 
     - Evetry action has a reaction.:)  bentley   Mar-30-07 11:18 AM   #57 
        - I think so too...  Bruce McAuley   Mar-30-07 11:41 AM   #60 
  - Happiness has a tendency to sneak up on a person when  SmokingJacket   Mar-30-07 10:58 AM   #53 
  - You are not alone.  Chemical Bill   Mar-30-07 11:01 AM   #54 
  - I agree 100%, Dora. I do everything that I can to make a difference...  I Have A Dream   Mar-30-07 11:07 AM   #55 
  - Just an observation here  Jcrowley   Mar-30-07 11:11 AM   #56 
  - I-me-me mine.  meganmonkey   Mar-30-07 11:22 AM   #58 
  - Another great song I'd forgotten about  downstairsparts   Mar-31-07 05:31 AM   #90 
  - Sense of Self is highly developed in humans. It's intergral and important. Why do you disparage it?  cryingshame   Mar-30-07 12:15 PM   #62 
  - Lets' focus on helping others  Jcrowley   Mar-30-07 01:19 PM   #69 
  - Maybe because of the dangers of self-promotion...  MonteLukast   Mar-31-07 06:00 AM   #96 
  - Some responses  Dora   Mar-30-07 01:18 PM   #68 
  - You can't take care of anyone else unless you take care of yourself first.  AZBlue   Mar-30-07 10:51 PM   #81 
     - But also, you can't always wait until you're "all better" first.  MonteLukast   Mar-31-07 06:06 AM   #97 
        - I'm not talking about therapy. That's something different.  AZBlue   Mar-31-07 12:36 PM   #117 
  - happiness is altruistic -- you OWE it to those around you to be happy  nashville_brook   Mar-30-07 12:16 PM   #63 
  - Yeah, I always cheer up when people guilt-trip me about depression!  Lilith Velkor   Apr-02-07 07:38 AM   #134 
  - take *The Happiness Test* from the "father of positive psychology"  nashville_brook   Mar-30-07 12:31 PM   #64 
  - the problem resides in not "I" but "we"  LSK   Mar-30-07 12:49 PM   #66 
  - And wouldn't it be nice....  Dora   Mar-30-07 01:31 PM   #70 
     - Service is happiness. If you are not happy, find someone to help. It will help you, too.  StrictlyRockers   Mar-30-07 04:30 PM   #73 
  - Your Path To Happiness Is Personal And Yours Alone. My Best Wishes On Your Journey.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-30-07 04:35 PM   #75 
  - Oh "Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga" to you pal.  stellanoir   Mar-30-07 05:27 PM   #76 
     - He needs noun, verb, noun, adjective, vocabulary, concept, idea, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. et.  omega minimo   Mar-31-07 12:29 AM   #88 
  - Right  Annces   Mar-30-07 05:38 PM   #77 
  - *reality is what it is* naysayers are the reason we're in deep shit IMO  Carni   Mar-30-07 08:20 PM   #78 
  - I'd have to agree with that.  AZBlue   Mar-30-07 10:56 PM   #84 
     - I agree  Carni   Mar-31-07 08:03 AM   #98 
  - Learning from Ladakh  Jcrowley   Mar-30-07 10:51 PM   #82 
  - Collaborative learning, collaborative teaching.  Dora   Mar-31-07 03:59 PM   #126 
  - I love this, Dora. Thank you so much. n/t  susanna   Mar-30-07 10:56 PM   #83 
  - Not happiness, not a sense of self, rather....  Jcrowley   Mar-30-07 10:56 PM   #85 
  - Happiness. Self. Belonging.  Dora   Mar-31-07 10:20 AM   #103 
  - It's hard to be happy sometimes...  InvisibleTouch   Mar-30-07 11:03 PM   #86 
  - I like this take on it.  MonteLukast   Mar-31-07 05:42 AM   #91 
  - I'm personally ..  sendero   Mar-31-07 08:06 AM   #99 
  - Sendero....  Dora   Mar-31-07 10:32 AM   #104 
  - When you're sad, is that by choice?  rman   Mar-31-07 08:09 AM   #100 
  - I think it is a choice.  bentley   Mar-31-07 10:52 AM   #105 
  - next time when you're sad, try feeling happy  rman   Mar-31-07 11:04 AM   #106 
     - Do it all the time, it works great  kineta   Mar-31-07 11:11 AM   #107 
     - Doesn't it depend on how bad the external things are?  rman   Mar-31-07 11:15 AM   #108 
        - Define unhappy.  kineta   Mar-31-07 11:32 AM   #112 
           - Does that mean you can control some emotions (sadness) but not others (unhappyness)?  rman   Mar-31-07 11:41 AM   #113 
              - Define unhappiness  kineta   Mar-31-07 11:43 AM   #114 
                 - Does that mean to you that discontent does not involve emotion?  rman   Mar-31-07 11:50 AM   #115 
                    - I'd say that discontent could be defined as dwelling on a particular thought and not choosing change  kineta   Mar-31-07 12:30 PM   #116 
     - I think you misunderstood me,  bentley   Mar-31-07 02:54 PM   #122 
  - Sometimes. Often.  mondo joe   Mar-31-07 11:17 AM   #109 
     - Emotions also depend on circumstances,  rman   Mar-31-07 11:22 AM   #111 
        - You can't always control your circumstance. You can control your response.  mondo joe   Mar-31-07 03:21 PM   #123 
  - I suppose it is all about balance  buddyhollysghost   Mar-31-07 01:15 PM   #118 
  - As someone who suffers from bipolar disorder..  Jonathan50   Mar-31-07 02:24 PM   #119 
  - Brain chemistry is fascinating.  Dora   Mar-31-07 04:07 PM   #128 
  - The self is perceived not as an isolated...  Jcrowley   Mar-31-07 02:38 PM   #121 
  - FWIW, I don't disagree with you at all.  Dora   Mar-31-07 03:55 PM   #124 
  - In a world  Djinn   Apr-02-07 05:43 AM   #133 
     - "Tad Vapid"  Dora   Apr-02-07 09:41 AM   #135 
 

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