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Robert: I just got back from the Soviet Union, where I was involved in a small way in doing a number of the things that you were just describing there, and that's a place, too, where there's a great interest and hunger for the kind of information that doesn't show up on the TV that much. But it is remarkable how rapidly that information has been getting to Gorbachev and the Central Committee. That's one of the things that's helping to drive the changes that are going on there. It's definitely worth putting energy into, whether it's in Ladakh or in Novosibirsk or in Beijing. Do you feel that there's more leverage for change than people recognize? Helena: Yes, very definitely. And the change could be very rapid in the right direction, as long as there were the critical mass of people who were willing it that way. Another thing I want to say which is very unpopular and difficult, especially in America, is that we do have to look very carefully at our energy choices and technologies, and that we can't overlook the impact of certain technological options in terms of the terrible centralization. People don't want large nuclear energy plants or large rubbish dumps or incinerators near themselves, and yet they are not clearly saying politically. "We don't want them at all." I think sometimes with the New Age and the emphasis on the spiritual connections, we can forget some of those realities which we do have to deal with. From my experience in Ladakh, I can say with great assurance that it's not an increased consumption of energy that makes us happier. On the contrary, with a lower consumption of energy, we develop our own energies much more, and I attribute the vitality and the joy that I feel in Ladakh to that. You get a lot more exercise as part of your daily life, and you're also using your psychic and creative powers much more. And almost all their activities are participatory, whether it's entertainment or whatever. There is no question that they have at least as much to teach us as we have to teach them. http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC17/NHodge.htm
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| -Don't Hate Me Because I'm Happy |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 12:12 AM |
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For those who conduct themselves morally, happiness is not a right. |
lvx35 |
Mar-30-07 12:23 AM |
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Thanks for the validation. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 12:31 AM |
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Yes this is very true. |
truedelphi |
Mar-30-07 02:15 AM |
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No, you are not alone... |
TomInTib |
Mar-30-07 12:31 AM |
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Thanks, Tom. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 12:35 AM |
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Grumble Grumble Grumble Piss Piss Piss Moan moan moan. |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 12:34 AM |
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Wow that is scary |
Carni |
Mar-31-07 09:16 AM |
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One Great Post! |
bonito |
Mar-30-07 12:36 AM |
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Your attitude is the first and last of the human freedoms. . . |
Journeyman |
Mar-30-07 12:39 AM |
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That is an excellent POV. |
votesomemore |
Mar-30-07 01:01 AM |
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you choose votes |
AZDemDist6 |
Mar-30-07 01:09 AM |
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So True. |
votesomemore |
Mar-30-07 01:38 AM |
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... |
AZDemDist6 |
Mar-30-07 01:46 AM |
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That's the essence of meditation. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-07 08:44 AM |
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"In the present" |
tenshi816 |
Mar-31-07 02:37 PM |
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"I want to be the person my dog sees when he looks at me." |
TahitiNut |
Mar-31-07 04:04 PM |
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bumpersticker |
genevat |
Mar-31-07 04:33 PM |
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Wow, wow, wow. I wish I could mod up that response somehow. |
lvx35 |
Mar-30-07 01:04 AM |
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Frankl is no peddler of Secrets |
eridani |
Mar-30-07 02:07 AM |
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No. He never said that. |
votesomemore |
Mar-30-07 03:06 AM |
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Something fishy about "The Secret"... |
MonteLukast |
Mar-31-07 05:45 AM |
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? ? ? You'll have to explain your reply, as I see no relation between it. . . |
Journeyman |
Mar-31-07 05:21 PM |
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Afuckingmen! |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-07 08:39 AM |
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Thanks for that. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 09:45 AM |
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thank you. nt |
genevat |
Mar-31-07 04:35 PM |
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Nothing wrong with pursuing happiness-the question is what brings happiness |
Reterr |
Mar-30-07 12:40 AM |
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That's the interesting challenge of it all: The fine art of happiness with less crap. |
lvx35 |
Mar-30-07 01:08 AM |
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SeenThe Wizard of Oz lately? |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 09:44 AM |
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Just curious, what are you doing to achieve your goal? |
Bluedogvoter |
Mar-30-07 12:45 AM |
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Heh - make that plural: "goals." |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 09:20 AM |
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Reminds me of what I tell myself, kids and grandkids |
lyonn |
Mar-30-07 04:33 PM |
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Priceless. |
Dora |
Mar-31-07 03:57 PM |
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WELCOME TO DU!!! |
AZBlue |
Mar-30-07 10:40 PM |
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I'm congentially happy |
AZDemDist6 |
Mar-30-07 01:05 AM |
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But what happens when... |
MonteLukast |
Mar-31-07 05:47 AM |
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Good for You. |
Everybody |
Mar-30-07 05:54 AM |
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Happiness should not override any realization |
mmonk |
Mar-30-07 06:09 AM |
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I agree. Happiness does not override recognition. n/t |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 09:26 AM |
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. |
MonteLukast |
Mar-31-07 05:50 AM |
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Well stated. . . |
stellanoir |
Mar-30-07 06:13 AM |
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I hope you do repost it this year. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 09:21 AM |
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Well as long as your happiness isn't robbing someone else of their happiness... |
entanglement |
Mar-30-07 07:48 AM |
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Of course. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 09:06 AM |
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Have you had a bad experience on some other thread? |
entanglement |
Mar-30-07 09:42 AM |
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No, I've avoided those confrontations. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 09:57 AM |
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Just as long as in your happiness you aren't ignoring that others are suffering |
TheGoldenRule |
Mar-30-07 08:21 AM |
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Happiness is neither the same as comfort nor antithetical to suffering. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-07 08:48 AM |
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indeed! |
AZDemDist6 |
Mar-30-07 12:36 PM |
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Works for me. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-07 12:54 PM |
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this is what i tell my kids |
genevat |
Mar-31-07 04:47 PM |
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That's quite possible the best lesson they'll ever get, imho. |
TahitiNut |
Apr-02-07 09:49 AM |
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Suffering is universal. It's as true as impermanence, and suffering is that, too. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 09:10 AM |
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delete - mispost |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 09:30 AM |
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That's what I was thinking... Pursuing Happiness can be obstructed... |
djohnson |
Mar-30-07 09:33 AM |
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I can only answer for myself, but I've found that the more positive and pro-active I've become in my |
AZBlue |
Mar-30-07 10:47 PM |
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It is interesting to see this in print. |
peace13 |
Mar-30-07 09:20 AM |
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Thanks. I think my happiness makes me a stronger warrior for peace. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 09:25 AM |
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Happiness |
BeFree |
Mar-30-07 09:44 AM |
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I agree with how happiness makes you stronger. |
peace13 |
Mar-30-07 03:09 PM |
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BRAVO!! You are certainly not alone! |
helderheid |
Mar-30-07 09:46 AM |
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Don't hate me because I'm Happy. Hate me because I'm Complacent , Satisfied, unaware of the plight |
slampoet |
Mar-30-07 10:06 AM |
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People CAN chew gum and walk at the same time. I'm not complacent. |
helderheid |
Mar-30-07 10:07 AM |
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Why do you accuse me of ignorance? Why do you presume my tolerance of injustice? |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 10:12 AM |
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Gratitude is a wonderful and powerful emotion - as is happiness. It doesn't mean you turn your back |
helderheid |
Mar-30-07 10:31 AM |
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I am happy AND I am working for global change! |
KitchenWitch |
Mar-30-07 11:36 AM |
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i think you can be aware of injustice and still be happy -- in fact, you owe that to your family |
nashville_brook |
Mar-30-07 12:07 PM |
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hmmmm |
stellanoir |
Mar-30-07 03:16 PM |
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The irony is... |
MonteLukast |
Mar-31-07 05:56 AM |
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Anger's an emotion and all emotion good or bad clouds the thinking mind |
downstairsparts |
Mar-31-07 05:11 AM |
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You can't help anyone if you are ill mentally and physically |
Carni |
Mar-31-07 10:01 AM |
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Happiness is not part and parcel of being unaware or complacent. |
mondo joe |
Mar-31-07 11:19 AM |
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Don't be hatin' |
omega minimo |
Mar-30-07 10:30 AM |
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Thanks for the feedback. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 10:38 AM |
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Still like to read the whole damn thing |
omega minimo |
Mar-31-07 12:23 AM |
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I'm happy for you |
Forkboy |
Mar-30-07 10:35 AM |
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And me, you. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 10:39 AM |
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Be Happy! Be Nice To Women! |
Bruce McAuley |
Mar-30-07 10:46 AM |
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I think we could be nice to everyone. |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 10:53 AM |
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Evetry action has a reaction.:) |
bentley |
Mar-30-07 11:18 AM |
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I think so too... |
Bruce McAuley |
Mar-30-07 11:41 AM |
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Happiness has a tendency to sneak up on a person when |
SmokingJacket |
Mar-30-07 10:58 AM |
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You are not alone. |
Chemical Bill |
Mar-30-07 11:01 AM |
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I agree 100%, Dora. I do everything that I can to make a difference... |
I Have A Dream |
Mar-30-07 11:07 AM |
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Just an observation here |
Jcrowley |
Mar-30-07 11:11 AM |
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I-me-me mine. |
meganmonkey |
Mar-30-07 11:22 AM |
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Another great song I'd forgotten about |
downstairsparts |
Mar-31-07 05:31 AM |
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Sense of Self is highly developed in humans. It's intergral and important. Why do you disparage it? |
cryingshame |
Mar-30-07 12:15 PM |
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Lets' focus on helping others |
Jcrowley |
Mar-30-07 01:19 PM |
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Maybe because of the dangers of self-promotion... |
MonteLukast |
Mar-31-07 06:00 AM |
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Some responses |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 01:18 PM |
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You can't take care of anyone else unless you take care of yourself first. |
AZBlue |
Mar-30-07 10:51 PM |
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But also, you can't always wait until you're "all better" first. |
MonteLukast |
Mar-31-07 06:06 AM |
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I'm not talking about therapy. That's something different. |
AZBlue |
Mar-31-07 12:36 PM |
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happiness is altruistic -- you OWE it to those around you to be happy |
nashville_brook |
Mar-30-07 12:16 PM |
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Yeah, I always cheer up when people guilt-trip me about depression! |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-02-07 07:38 AM |
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take *The Happiness Test* from the "father of positive psychology" |
nashville_brook |
Mar-30-07 12:31 PM |
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the problem resides in not "I" but "we" |
LSK |
Mar-30-07 12:49 PM |
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And wouldn't it be nice.... |
Dora |
Mar-30-07 01:31 PM |
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Service is happiness. If you are not happy, find someone to help. It will help you, too. |
StrictlyRockers |
Mar-30-07 04:30 PM |
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Your Path To Happiness Is Personal And Yours Alone. My Best Wishes On Your Journey. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-30-07 04:35 PM |
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Oh "Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga" to you pal. |
stellanoir |
Mar-30-07 05:27 PM |
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He needs noun, verb, noun, adjective, vocabulary, concept, idea, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. et. |
omega minimo |
Mar-31-07 12:29 AM |
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Right |
Annces |
Mar-30-07 05:38 PM |
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*reality is what it is* naysayers are the reason we're in deep shit IMO |
Carni |
Mar-30-07 08:20 PM |
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I'd have to agree with that. |
AZBlue |
Mar-30-07 10:56 PM |
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I agree |
Carni |
Mar-31-07 08:03 AM |
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Learning from Ladakh |
Jcrowley |
Mar-30-07 10:51 PM |
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Collaborative learning, collaborative teaching. |
Dora |
Mar-31-07 03:59 PM |
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I love this, Dora. Thank you so much. n/t |
susanna |
Mar-30-07 10:56 PM |
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Not happiness, not a sense of self, rather.... |
Jcrowley |
Mar-30-07 10:56 PM |
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Happiness. Self. Belonging. |
Dora |
Mar-31-07 10:20 AM |
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It's hard to be happy sometimes... |
InvisibleTouch |
Mar-30-07 11:03 PM |
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I like this take on it. |
MonteLukast |
Mar-31-07 05:42 AM |
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I'm personally .. |
sendero |
Mar-31-07 08:06 AM |
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Sendero.... |
Dora |
Mar-31-07 10:32 AM |
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When you're sad, is that by choice? |
rman |
Mar-31-07 08:09 AM |
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I think it is a choice. |
bentley |
Mar-31-07 10:52 AM |
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next time when you're sad, try feeling happy |
rman |
Mar-31-07 11:04 AM |
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Do it all the time, it works great |
kineta |
Mar-31-07 11:11 AM |
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Doesn't it depend on how bad the external things are? |
rman |
Mar-31-07 11:15 AM |
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Define unhappy. |
kineta |
Mar-31-07 11:32 AM |
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Does that mean you can control some emotions (sadness) but not others (unhappyness)? |
rman |
Mar-31-07 11:41 AM |
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Define unhappiness |
kineta |
Mar-31-07 11:43 AM |
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Does that mean to you that discontent does not involve emotion? |
rman |
Mar-31-07 11:50 AM |
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I'd say that discontent could be defined as dwelling on a particular thought and not choosing change |
kineta |
Mar-31-07 12:30 PM |
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I think you misunderstood me, |
bentley |
Mar-31-07 02:54 PM |
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Sometimes. Often. |
mondo joe |
Mar-31-07 11:17 AM |
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Emotions also depend on circumstances, |
rman |
Mar-31-07 11:22 AM |
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You can't always control your circumstance. You can control your response. |
mondo joe |
Mar-31-07 03:21 PM |
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I suppose it is all about balance |
buddyhollysghost |
Mar-31-07 01:15 PM |
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As someone who suffers from bipolar disorder.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-31-07 02:24 PM |
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Brain chemistry is fascinating. |
Dora |
Mar-31-07 04:07 PM |
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The self is perceived not as an isolated... |
Jcrowley |
Mar-31-07 02:38 PM |
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FWIW, I don't disagree with you at all. |
Dora |
Mar-31-07 03:55 PM |
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In a world |
Djinn |
Apr-02-07 05:43 AM |
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"Tad Vapid" |
Dora |
Apr-02-07 09:41 AM |
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