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Thu Mar-29-07 11:02 PM
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| 9. From The 7Up Of Aliens ??? |
| -Where do "unalienable rights" come from? |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-29-07 10:54 PM |
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God. nt |
Marie26 |
Mar-29-07 10:57 PM |
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Can you point to a religious text which mentions "unalienable rights"? |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-29-07 10:59 PM |
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It's not in the bible because the Enlightenment thinkers who... |
Maddy McCall |
Mar-29-07 11:01 PM |
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It's not in the Bible, but it does come from our Puritan heritage... |
Wednesdays |
Mar-30-07 12:04 PM |
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All Protestants believe all believers are equal before God |
mycritters2 |
Mar-31-07 06:48 PM |
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No. It's in the Dec. of Independence |
Marie26 |
Mar-29-07 11:15 PM |
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Well yes, pick any book of the Bible and you can cull a hundred passages |
kenny blankenship |
Mar-30-07 12:37 AM |
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yes |
seasonedblue |
Mar-29-07 11:13 PM |
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which one? |
Bill McBlueState |
Mar-30-07 08:49 AM |
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Who knows? |
Marie26 |
Mar-30-07 09:02 AM |
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I agree |
Bill McBlueState |
Mar-31-07 06:51 PM |
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They come from an implicit contract that has evolved among... |
TygrBright |
Mar-29-07 10:58 PM |
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LOL! |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-31-07 02:40 AM |
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deleted |
Jersey Devil |
Mar-29-07 10:58 PM |
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Same place as all others. Ask a bible thumper, you'll get one answer... |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-29-07 11:00 PM |
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Several possibles |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-29-07 11:00 PM |
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Enlightenment thinkers like John Locke... |
Maddy McCall |
Mar-29-07 11:00 PM |
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From The 7Up Of Aliens ??? |
WillyT |
Mar-29-07 11:02 PM |
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Wiki knows. nt |
valerief |
Mar-29-07 11:03 PM |
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I've been to the Wiki link already.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-29-07 11:08 PM |
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It's the concept of "natural law" |
Marie26 |
Mar-29-07 11:19 PM |
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According to the "founding fathers", and Locke's writings, |
ComerPerro |
Mar-29-07 11:06 PM |
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From the brilliant minds of some original thinkers. Some ideas are like that. |
WinkyDink |
Mar-29-07 11:08 PM |
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Yep. "Self-evident" means axiomatic. No deities needed. n/t |
Orsino |
Mar-31-07 12:04 PM |
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Unalienable rights come down through a long history of civic thought. |
Dhalgren |
Mar-29-07 11:09 PM |
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well you've hit the jackpot |
frogcycle |
Mar-29-07 11:15 PM |
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Yes, that's rather close to my own thoughts on the matter.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-29-07 11:27 PM |
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are you trying to imply that the non-religious cannot have morals? |
ComerPerro |
Mar-29-07 11:29 PM |
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I thought frogcycle said pretty much the opposite |
Throwing Stones |
Mar-30-07 12:08 AM |
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I don't think you need to accuse me of attacking. I just want to know what this means: |
ComerPerro |
Mar-30-07 12:09 AM |
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Sorry if you took my post the wrong way |
Throwing Stones |
Mar-30-07 12:20 AM |
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gotcha. got defensive. |
ComerPerro |
Mar-30-07 12:23 AM |
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I think of religion as secondary |
Throwing Stones |
Mar-30-07 12:37 AM |
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banding together using diety as a group identifer almost |
ComerPerro |
Mar-30-07 12:43 AM |
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Just actually got your reference |
Throwing Stones |
Mar-30-07 12:44 AM |
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yeah I can read it that way. The phrasing seemed odd and got me defensive, lol |
ComerPerro |
Mar-30-07 12:45 AM |
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thanks for understanding |
frogcycle |
Mar-30-07 08:58 AM |
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If they are not from a supreme being |
spoony |
Mar-30-07 02:21 AM |
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Again, totally false premise. |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 02:40 AM |
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I seem to be |
spoony |
Mar-30-07 03:09 AM |
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Yes. Gotcha. Thoughtful reply which deserves one in turn. |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 03:16 AM |
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Peace, goodnight :) |
spoony |
Mar-30-07 03:19 AM |
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religion and religious morlaity is not selfless, its self-serving |
ComerPerro |
Mar-30-07 11:51 AM |
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Did you even read my post? |
spoony |
Mar-31-07 02:27 AM |
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So any Christian goes to Heaven, no matter how they lived, eh? |
ComerPerro |
Mar-31-07 11:22 AM |
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Once again, your reading |
spoony |
Mar-31-07 12:20 PM |
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and you attack my comprehension. Nice. |
ComerPerro |
Mar-31-07 06:38 PM |
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Incorrect. You do not "need" a "supreme being" (whatever that is) to get concepts like morality |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 01:49 AM |
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To a theist |
spoony |
Mar-30-07 02:23 AM |
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"That's where we think the standards come from". |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 02:33 AM |
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Lol, well |
spoony |
Mar-30-07 02:38 AM |
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And you think Buddhists don't have a moral code or structure? |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 02:41 AM |
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It is essentially still the social contract |
spoony |
Mar-30-07 02:50 AM |
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So Buddhist compassion is "utilitarian"? |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 02:54 AM |
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Not entirely, please see my post #61 |
spoony |
Mar-30-07 03:11 AM |
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oh my god, you are hoplessly naive |
ComerPerro |
Mar-31-07 06:45 PM |
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Ok, so its a flaming crock |
frogcycle |
Mar-30-07 08:44 AM |
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I think we're talking past each other. |
impeachdubya |
Mar-31-07 12:13 AM |
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They are an agreement with ourselves--to extent that they exist at all |
kenny blankenship |
Mar-30-07 12:30 AM |
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That was a great post, Kenny |
Throwing Stones |
Mar-30-07 12:50 AM |
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Thanks, the social contract sure won't enforce itself (I learned that by watching it crumble & fall) |
kenny blankenship |
Mar-30-07 12:58 AM |
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Nice post.. Good points |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-30-07 02:08 AM |
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I would say: Nature |
Quixote1818 |
Mar-30-07 12:35 AM |
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is there a difference? |
Throwing Stones |
Mar-30-07 12:53 AM |
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It depends on your religion when related to this discussion |
Quixote1818 |
Mar-30-07 01:33 AM |
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Oh absolutely!!! God created the SYSTEM in which our |
Mind_your_head |
Mar-30-07 01:34 AM |
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And who or what created "god"? nt |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 01:57 AM |
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Turtles all the way down, then? |
spoony |
Mar-30-07 02:24 AM |
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I think the notion that anything "needs" a "creator" is intrinsically flawed. |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 02:42 AM |
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Then you do acknowledge |
spoony |
Mar-30-07 02:53 AM |
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No, shit IS here. If something HAD to cause it, then you are flailing when you blow off the question |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 02:55 AM |
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I didn't say "generally created" |
spoony |
Mar-30-07 03:14 AM |
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THAT, is the Big Imponderable. |
WinkyDink |
Mar-31-07 11:25 AM |
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Nature is visible everywhere. "God" is invisible, & apparently spends a lot of time worrying |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 01:56 AM |
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I don't think so. The law of nature is the law of the jungle and we do not do well |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-31-07 02:54 AM |
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God....scencient being |
Mind_your_head |
Mar-30-07 01:13 AM |
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If a truth is self-evident, it doesn't need to "come from" anywhere. It just IS. |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 01:52 AM |
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What's behind the "just is" |
seasonedblue |
Mar-30-07 02:07 AM |
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I had an unpleasant experience a while back.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-30-07 02:16 AM |
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Thanks for answering my question. I agree 100%. It may come as a surprise |
impeachdubya |
Mar-30-07 02:52 AM |
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I agree with you completely.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-30-07 10:13 AM |
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God is part of what was self-evident |
sampsonblk |
Mar-31-07 12:30 PM |
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the unaliens |
leftofthedial |
Mar-30-07 01:57 AM |
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It's a subset of the "Self evident" truths |
Bucky |
Mar-30-07 01:57 AM |
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They don't really, really exist. Society will follow a set of rules, |
Random_Australian |
Mar-30-07 02:46 AM |
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From the humans who crafted them. |
izzybeans |
Mar-30-07 10:14 AM |
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Nature |
slackmaster |
Mar-30-07 10:15 AM |
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and there you have it |
frogcycle |
Mar-30-07 10:52 AM |
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I claim my inalienable right to grow more garlic than I can possibly use |
slackmaster |
Mar-30-07 11:04 AM |
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Voltaire |
Wilber_Stool |
Mar-30-07 11:01 AM |
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They are inherent to the human condition |
knight_of_the_star |
Mar-31-07 02:34 AM |
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They are the foundation of every civilization. They come from the realization |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-31-07 02:47 AM |
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God-nt |
sampsonblk |
Mar-31-07 12:22 PM |
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Reason? |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Mar-31-07 12:40 PM |
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