| 204. Is somebody that gets in a fist fight the same as a serial killer? |
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Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 03:49 PM by Downtown Hound
Basically what you're saying is that all violence is the same. First of all, anarchists don't commit violence against people. They commit vandalism against certain targets, often very oppressive ones if one was to look into their practices.
The attitude being displayed by you is one shared by many liberals. Mainly that a human being has no right to use any kind of force when standing up to oppression. If one crosses the line from "peaceful" civil disobedience into property destruction, then that person is really Atilla the Hun underneath. I call bullshit. I think that's an attitude espoused by those that use pacifism as a cover to hide behind and justify not taking any real direct action or face any serious consequences.
For what it's worth, I don't agree with the anarchist's tactics of property destruction. Oh, sometimes I blow off steam and say, yeah, go ahead, break that mother fucking window, but deep down I don't think it really solves anything. But I don't condemn those that do either. Of all the protesters I've marched with, the anarchists are the ones that risk the most and have done more to oppose Bush and his tyranny than any peaceful protester passively holding a sign that I've ever seen. And this idea that an anarchist that breaks the window of a bank is the same as a dictator that invades another country for resource extraction is total horseshit. It's simplistic thinking done by those that are uncomfortable with the idea that violence just might be acceptable from time to time.
And another thing. Civil disobedience is often not peaceful. Liberals love to pretend that there's no violence in blocking an entrance to Halliburton or General Dynamics or the gates of the RNC, but there is. If you infringe on the free movement and rights of others to assemble as they choose, then you are, in effect, committing violence against them. Now personally, I have no problem with that. As far as I'm concerned, the Republicans and the war whore corporations deserve not only that but a hell of a lot more. But don't pretend that it's all peace and love, because it ain't. The line between blocking an entrance or a street or trespassing and refusing to leave and breaking a window is very thin.
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Skidmore |
Apr-01-09 03:42 PM |
#0 |
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I don't think anarchist have thought beyond the point |
canetoad |
Apr-01-09 03:44 PM |
#1 |
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They all kill each other because they think their version of anarchy is better. |
Deja Q |
Apr-01-09 03:50 PM |
#7 |
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Yeah well |
canetoad |
Apr-01-09 04:02 PM |
#16 |
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your taking your cues from t.v. |
lxlxlxl |
Apr-01-09 04:05 PM |
#20 |
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Don't be silly |
canetoad |
Apr-01-09 04:12 PM |
#26 |
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im not expecting a revolution, but i dont think cheaply insulting people on the street is worth it |
lxlxlxl |
Apr-01-09 04:34 PM |
#47 |
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Thuggish foot soldiers can be idealists too... |
LooseWilly |
Apr-03-09 04:17 PM |
#211 |
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Welp...you're gonna get ambushed by a few of them here... |
YOY |
Apr-01-09 03:45 PM |
#2 |
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I have seen those mass arrests, I almost got caught in one myself at the RNC |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-01-09 04:24 PM |
#38 |
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So are they still in jail in some massive holding tank? |
YOY |
Apr-01-09 04:35 PM |
#50 |
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The city of St. Paul had to drop the charges on all of the protesters because they had no evidence. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-01-09 04:44 PM |
#55 |
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and you shouldn't have masked yourselves. Good on you. |
YOY |
Apr-01-09 04:47 PM |
#57 |
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The problem is the vast majority of people who are getting the shaft are peaceful. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-01-09 04:51 PM |
#58 |
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DCer here. I have seen every time the masked kids show up things have a habit of turning messy. |
YOY |
Apr-01-09 04:53 PM |
#59 |
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Its all about breaking shit... |
LooseWilly |
Apr-03-09 04:06 PM |
#209 |
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Here's the problem: |
XemaSab |
Apr-01-09 07:45 PM |
#72 |
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The masks are for the tear gas, not so much the photos. |
LooseWilly |
Apr-03-09 03:55 PM |
#208 |
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cue the long line of DUers to set you straight. |
cali |
Apr-01-09 03:46 PM |
#3 |
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I hope you're being sarcastic, Cali... n/t |
rvablue |
Apr-01-09 03:53 PM |
#8 |
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I'm reflecting the sentiments of quite a few DUers |
cali |
Apr-01-09 03:54 PM |
#10 |
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not true |
Two Americas |
Apr-01-09 04:17 PM |
#33 |
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where are you getting your information? |
G_j |
Apr-01-09 09:36 PM |
#102 |
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that is not true, it is just not true |
Two Americas |
Apr-01-09 04:15 PM |
#31 |
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oh, please. take your sanctimony and smoke it |
cali |
Apr-01-09 04:21 PM |
#35 |
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yes |
Two Americas |
Apr-01-09 04:30 PM |
#44 |
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+1 |
Raineyb |
Apr-03-09 01:44 PM |
#199 |
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They can no more prove they were broken by an infiltrator than you can prove they weren't |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 12:52 AM |
#173 |
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Hehe... poor London cops. |
LooseWilly |
Apr-03-09 04:31 PM |
#214 |
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actually, cali is right |
paulsby |
Apr-01-09 04:44 PM |
#54 |
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damned protestors |
Two Americas |
Apr-01-09 05:08 PM |
#62 |
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And a year or two ago, protestors restrained rock-throwing protestors in Canada. |
ieoeja |
Apr-02-09 11:03 AM |
#158 |
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Hey officer, here's the incident is Ieoeja talking about |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 01:08 AM |
#175 |
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They interviewed a protestor on BBC "I'm here for the violence, I don't believe in anything" |
HughMoran |
Apr-03-09 08:36 AM |
#188 |
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It's called "irreverence," and is common with people who lack a proper critique. |
joshcryer |
Apr-01-09 07:54 PM |
#81 |
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You've never wanted to break a bankers window? |
joshcryer |
Apr-01-09 07:53 PM |
#79 |
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For the Nth time...I t |
Cid_B |
Apr-02-09 05:02 AM |
#125 |
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Not really |
auburnblu |
Apr-03-09 01:06 AM |
#174 |
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those people are not representative of all, dare say many, anarchists |
NightWatcher |
Apr-01-09 03:47 PM |
#4 |
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The DU Anarcho-communists are always a hoot. |
FLAprogressive |
Apr-01-09 03:49 PM |
#5 |
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I have told a friend this |
Artie Bucco |
Apr-01-09 04:11 PM |
#25 |
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Why is it pathetic to be unarmed, yet still believe that government |
step up |
Apr-02-09 10:56 AM |
#153 |
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Says who? You? |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 02:04 AM |
#180 |
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Nevermind the irony of an anarchist using the internet in the first place. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Apr-01-09 04:25 PM |
#41 |
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Yeah, anarchists are all Amish |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-01-09 06:51 PM |
#64 |
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So true. Anarchists are not one homogenous group. |
joshcryer |
Apr-01-09 07:52 PM |
#77 |
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If you don't see the irony in an anarchist embracing the internet, |
Raskolnik |
Apr-01-09 08:47 PM |
#94 |
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You use the word "necessary" quite wrecklessly there. |
joshcryer |
Apr-01-09 09:39 PM |
#103 |
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It would be quite a novel position to maintain that government resources were not necessary |
Raskolnik |
Apr-02-09 07:33 AM |
#130 |
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That's like saying Obama must support slavery because he lives in a house built by slaves |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-02-09 10:59 AM |
#156 |
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No, it really isn't. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Apr-02-09 11:16 PM |
#169 |
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Yes, it is. |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-03-09 12:15 AM |
#170 |
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Your analogies are off-base. |
Raskolnik |
Apr-03-09 07:57 AM |
#185 |
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You find it ironic only because you are uninformed. |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-03-09 12:23 PM |
#196 |
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If you think I'm going to go down the rabbit-hole of exploring which variant of "anarchism" |
Raskolnik |
Apr-03-09 01:38 PM |
#198 |
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The internet would not be possible without the mathematics developed in 10th-c. Baghdad |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-03-09 02:33 PM |
#202 |
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The internet is much more than a stand-alone "technology" |
Raskolnik |
Apr-03-09 03:08 PM |
#203 |
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Uh, the internet is based upon a few dozen routing protocols. |
joshcryer |
Apr-03-09 06:13 PM |
#222 |
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I'm going to help out a comrade here. You actually picked a really pathetic example. |
joshcryer |
Apr-03-09 06:11 PM |
#221 |
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A lot of hippies and counter culture types went into developing it as well |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 01:35 AM |
#179 |
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Please explain to me why an anarchist is not allowed to use the internet... |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 01:13 AM |
#176 |
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And if I had said that anarchists "aren't allowed to use the internet" |
Raskolnik |
Apr-03-09 07:52 AM |
#184 |
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It's implied in your statement |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 03:42 PM |
#206 |
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I wasn't aware that we were discussing Linux. Just let me get my fanny pack and sword collection, |
Raskolnik |
Apr-03-09 03:50 PM |
#207 |
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I wasn't talking about a Hummer |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 04:06 PM |
#210 |
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Who is backing away from anything? |
Raskolnik |
Apr-03-09 04:18 PM |
#212 |
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Way to avoid my question |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 04:38 PM |
#215 |
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Um, ok. |
Raskolnik |
Apr-03-09 04:52 PM |
#216 |
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Are we allowed to use the swimming pool? |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 04:56 PM |
#217 |
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Oh, get over yourself. |
Raskolnik |
Apr-03-09 04:59 PM |
#218 |
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Peace, love, and anarchy to you friend. n/t |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 05:02 PM |
#219 |
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An anarchist for gun control? Do tell. |
joshcryer |
Apr-01-09 07:51 PM |
#75 |
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Use both hands. |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-01-09 08:26 PM |
#91 |
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I love when anarchists hold their pre-convention press conference on C-Span |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Apr-03-09 03:36 PM |
#205 |
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At my peril, I'll state my privately held opinion about anarchists: |
LeftinOH |
Apr-01-09 03:49 PM |
#6 |
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Funny, I have the same opinion. |
ogneopasno |
Apr-01-09 03:54 PM |
#9 |
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and let them be infiltrated by provocateurs really easily. |
YOY |
Apr-01-09 03:56 PM |
#13 |
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Teabagging with right-wingers is its own punishment. |
burning rain |
Apr-02-09 03:20 AM |
#123 |
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Tell it to the "SWAT" teams...N/T |
catnhatnh |
Apr-01-09 04:35 PM |
#48 |
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lets all just sit at home and watch tv/internet |
lxlxlxl |
Apr-01-09 04:13 PM |
#27 |
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Anarchy != progressive politics |
FLAprogressive |
Apr-01-09 04:17 PM |
#32 |
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Anarchism is the *father* of progressive politics. The anarchists got killed by the communists... |
joshcryer |
Apr-01-09 07:56 PM |
#83 |
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If you think that smashing other people's shit and sitting at home watching tv are the only choices |
Raskolnik |
Apr-01-09 04:24 PM |
#39 |
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you might be misinformed if im going to reply to a cheap insult with a political manifesto |
lxlxlxl |
Apr-01-09 04:30 PM |
#45 |
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You are the one that implied that sitting at home watching tv was the only alternative |
Raskolnik |
Apr-01-09 04:33 PM |
#46 |
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Are anarchists smashing your shit? Really? I've never had my shit smashed by anarchists. |
readmoreoften |
Apr-01-09 07:51 PM |
#76 |
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Please point out where I suggested that. Thanks. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Apr-01-09 08:48 PM |
#96 |
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You said "people's shit". Who are these "people" who own a bank? |
readmoreoften |
Apr-01-09 10:48 PM |
#108 |
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That's right. Taking extra sugar packets or planting your own garden is just like smashing windows |
Raskolnik |
Apr-02-09 07:30 AM |
#128 |
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No understanding of history whatsoever. |
blindpig |
Apr-03-09 08:20 AM |
#186 |
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'til Mommy and Daddy finally notice them, |
gardenista |
Apr-01-09 06:58 PM |
#65 |
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It's like kids in the mosh pit. They're there because they need it. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-02-09 05:17 AM |
#126 |
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I see it as kind of a sophmoric trend... then they either grow up or they wind up |
rvablue |
Apr-01-09 03:55 PM |
#11 |
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Anarchists almost by definition don't care about consequences. n/t |
geek tragedy |
Apr-01-09 03:56 PM |
#12 |
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I Don't Agree With Them, But I Support What They're Doing |
NashVegas |
Apr-01-09 03:58 PM |
#14 |
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those aren't the only choices. See Gandhi and King. |
cali |
Apr-01-09 04:00 PM |
#15 |
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It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, |
billyoc |
Apr-01-09 04:04 PM |
#19 |
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Lovely Quote |
NashVegas |
Apr-01-09 04:37 PM |
#51 |
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yep, no violence there, boy. historical amnesia. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-01-09 04:08 PM |
#22 |
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Are you even paying attention? |
lxlxlxl |
Apr-01-09 04:11 PM |
#24 |
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duh, no shit, genius. And I've said that repeatedly |
cali |
Apr-01-09 04:23 PM |
#37 |
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Behind either of those men was the threat of violence. |
blindpig |
Apr-03-09 08:41 AM |
#189 |
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that is your definition of violence? |
lxlxlxl |
Apr-01-09 04:02 PM |
#17 |
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people who pull that stupid shit, put everyone else in danger. |
cali |
Apr-01-09 04:25 PM |
#40 |
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You don't have to get them, you just have to think demonstrations are SCAAARY |
Overseas |
Apr-01-09 04:03 PM |
#18 |
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Please don't |
canetoad |
Apr-01-09 04:14 PM |
#29 |
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I don't think that's what Overseas was saying. |
Kitty Herder |
Apr-01-09 07:04 PM |
#67 |
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All the more reason why those who choose to be violent jackasses are not helping anyone |
Raskolnik |
Apr-01-09 04:22 PM |
#36 |
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It's the post-pubescent version of "You're not the boss of me!" |
Seeking Serenity |
Apr-01-09 04:06 PM |
#21 |
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what the hell... |
lxlxlxl |
Apr-01-09 04:15 PM |
#30 |
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I had a group of Anarchist friends, |
roughsatori |
Apr-01-09 04:10 PM |
#23 |
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LOL! |
WestSeattle2 |
Apr-01-09 08:42 PM |
#93 |
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Ahhh yes we had over 500,000 for the anti - surge demonstration in DC. |
peace13 |
Apr-01-09 04:14 PM |
#28 |
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It all comes down to a line from a RAGE song. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-01-09 04:20 PM |
#34 |
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Peaceful war protests didn't stop the war |
daleo |
Apr-01-09 04:26 PM |
#42 |
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Neither did violent war protests. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Apr-01-09 04:27 PM |
#43 |
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Which ones were those? |
daleo |
Apr-01-09 04:35 PM |
#49 |
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I believe military stalemate and strategic defeat ended the Vietnam war, not protests |
Raskolnik |
Apr-01-09 04:40 PM |
#53 |
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I think it contributed to the military stalemate |
daleo |
Apr-01-09 04:46 PM |
#56 |
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What is this in response to? |
timtom |
Apr-01-09 04:37 PM |
#52 |
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Good job on those war protests! |
alcibiades_mystery |
Apr-01-09 04:54 PM |
#60 |
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Thanks for stating that better than I could've |
Echo In Light |
Apr-01-09 05:07 PM |
#61 |
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THANK YOU! |
readmoreoften |
Apr-01-09 07:48 PM |
#74 |
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Yes, you get it these protests do make a big difference. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-01-09 10:37 PM |
#107 |
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I think the notion of agent provocateurs is way overblown |
alcibiades_mystery |
Apr-01-09 11:32 PM |
#118 |
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You're ignoring an awful lot of history to make that statement.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-02-09 03:14 AM |
#122 |
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It was an overblown phenomenon then, and remains so |
alcibiades_mystery |
Apr-02-09 08:08 AM |
#136 |
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The heated debate in this and other recent similar threads .... |
Echo In Light |
Apr-02-09 09:46 AM |
#145 |
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Cops don't need justification |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-03-09 12:40 AM |
#172 |
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You're probably right |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 01:26 AM |
#177 |
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Agreed w/your earlier posting, but we part company on this one |
Echo In Light |
Apr-02-09 07:43 AM |
#133 |
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Good post. n/t |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 02:25 AM |
#181 |
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The greater the perceived injustice, the greater the violence. |
Orsino |
Apr-01-09 06:17 PM |
#63 |
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Most anti-Globalism protesters are not anarchists. |
New Dawn |
Apr-01-09 06:58 PM |
#66 |
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Consider the fact they might be agents provocateurs. |
alarimer |
Apr-01-09 07:07 PM |
#68 |
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Gandhi, the father of peaceful protests, was an Anarchist. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-01-09 07:12 PM |
#69 |
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That most anarchist-caused violence seems to be by young males tells me all I need to know. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-01-09 07:19 PM |
#70 |
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That Henry David Thoreau.... always getting violent and smashing things out by the pond |
TBF |
Apr-01-09 07:41 PM |
#71 |
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You can't have a complex society without a government. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-01-09 07:53 PM |
#78 |
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That picture shows their ignorance... |
MellowDem |
Apr-01-09 08:01 PM |
#85 |
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How is it vague? What part don't you understand? |
TBF |
Apr-01-09 08:14 PM |
#89 |
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What about capitalism kills? |
MellowDem |
Apr-01-09 08:20 PM |
#90 |
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I see. The thing with capitalism is that it inherently kills by it's very nature. |
TBF |
Apr-01-09 09:23 PM |
#100 |
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It "inherently kills" huh? |
MellowDem |
Apr-02-09 07:28 AM |
#127 |
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I do believe it kills by it's very nature - |
TBF |
Apr-02-09 09:10 AM |
#143 |
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That's ok |
MellowDem |
Apr-02-09 09:31 AM |
#144 |
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Globalization in the end will help equalize wealth - |
TBF |
Apr-02-09 10:34 AM |
#149 |
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I suppose we are in agreement in general |
MellowDem |
Apr-02-09 01:00 PM |
#165 |
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Capitalism is the extraction of profit from labor. That kills. |
readmoreoften |
Apr-01-09 11:01 PM |
#111 |
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Capitalism does not equal class structure |
MellowDem |
Apr-02-09 07:41 AM |
#132 |
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Bollocks |
blindpig |
Apr-03-09 08:57 AM |
#190 |
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When have humans existed without class structures |
MellowDem |
Apr-03-09 12:44 PM |
#197 |
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You are either utterly confused, or something. |
blindpig |
Apr-03-09 01:58 PM |
#200 |
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Capitalism is simply an economic system |
MellowDem |
Apr-03-09 02:24 PM |
#201 |
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no, no, no |
blindpig |
Apr-03-09 04:24 PM |
#213 |
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Please provide examples |
MellowDem |
Apr-03-09 05:29 PM |
#220 |
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Easy |
blindpig |
Apr-04-09 07:41 AM |
#225 |
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I'm not sure "peaceful war protests" are a good counter-argument since they've had zero effect. |
readmoreoften |
Apr-01-09 07:46 PM |
#73 |
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Yup, breaking windows and torching cars! that will show those evil imperialists! *SARCASM* |
Odin2005 |
Apr-01-09 07:56 PM |
#82 |
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We're talking about it, aren't we? Maybe then you might read a bit about anarchist history. |
joshcryer |
Apr-01-09 08:02 PM |
#86 |
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Frankly, I think your attitude is every inch as sick and violent as those of Republicans. |
readmoreoften |
Apr-01-09 10:31 PM |
#105 |
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If there was no violent protest there would've been no gay rights movement. |
readmoreoften |
Apr-01-09 07:54 PM |
#80 |
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"The ends justify the means" isn't a good argument, at least not a moral one. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-01-09 07:57 PM |
#84 |
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I didn't say the ends justified the means. The means AND the ends were justified. |
readmoreoften |
Apr-01-09 10:34 PM |
#106 |
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Totally stupid comparison. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-03-09 11:41 AM |
#195 |
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the irony of anarchists organising |
iamthebandfanman |
Apr-01-09 08:03 PM |
#87 |
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Actually anarchist philosophy depends on strong community organization. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-01-09 08:11 PM |
#88 |
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There is individualistic anarchism and collective anarchism - a good place |
TBF |
Apr-01-09 09:11 PM |
#97 |
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This is true, I am aware of the differences. |
Bjorn Against |
Apr-01-09 09:23 PM |
#99 |
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Thank you, that's a great resource. I particularly like this part of the interview- |
TBF |
Apr-01-09 09:36 PM |
#101 |
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There was a comp of Chomsky's essays, speeches and interviews re anarchism a few yrs back |
Echo In Light |
Apr-02-09 12:54 PM |
#163 |
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That is exactly the problem I have with Anarchism, top-down coercion is sometimes needed... |
Odin2005 |
Apr-03-09 11:35 AM |
#192 |
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Anarchism isn't against organization. |
killbotfactory |
Apr-01-09 11:27 PM |
#116 |
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What's to get? |
WestSeattle2 |
Apr-01-09 08:37 PM |
#92 |
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this thread is a great example of why -- at least some americans -- |
xchrom |
Apr-01-09 08:47 PM |
#95 |
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Americans are complacant fools, generally speaking. They never went through the same history... |
joshcryer |
Apr-01-09 09:42 PM |
#104 |
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Brilliant observation! |
lonestarnot |
Apr-01-09 10:57 PM |
#110 |
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Smashing stuff doesn't = Protesting. |
chrisa |
Apr-02-09 10:50 AM |
#151 |
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but the Financials can smash and steal right? |
xchrom |
Apr-02-09 10:59 AM |
#155 |
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If you act exactly like the people you're against, |
chrisa |
Apr-02-09 11:15 AM |
#159 |
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useless sophistry. |
xchrom |
Apr-02-09 11:44 AM |
#160 |
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Why So Serious? |
Badlands Democrat |
Apr-01-09 09:13 PM |
#98 |
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Anyone here |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Apr-01-09 10:56 PM |
#109 |
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Nope. Basically the thread is about perpetuating status quo propaganda about anarchism. |
readmoreoften |
Apr-01-09 11:04 PM |
#112 |
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"Windows are People Too" |
leftstreet |
Apr-01-09 11:30 PM |
#117 |
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I don't understand it |
killbotfactory |
Apr-01-09 11:22 PM |
#115 |
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Anarchists are an interesting bunch. nt |
anonymous171 |
Apr-01-09 11:08 PM |
#113 |
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Oh my! |
killbotfactory |
Apr-01-09 11:18 PM |
#114 |
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They're kind of like goths. Only political. |
Hanse |
Apr-02-09 01:20 AM |
#119 |
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Yes, and we like to drink your children's blood when you're not looking. |
TheWatcher |
Apr-02-09 10:11 AM |
#147 |
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I get the anger, I get the protesting against the government, I don't get anarchy |
Jennicut |
Apr-02-09 02:15 AM |
#120 |
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The anarchists have a point. civilization would be better off without government. |
Mr. Hyde |
Apr-02-09 02:58 AM |
#121 |
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Hmmm, so you'd like to see the country turned into a giant trash |
SeattleGirl |
Apr-02-09 03:32 AM |
#124 |
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some would argue that it has already become a giant trash heap |
Mr. Hyde |
Apr-02-09 07:43 AM |
#134 |
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How's that working out in Somalia? n/t |
Raskolnik |
Apr-02-09 07:34 AM |
#131 |
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well, it isn't true anarchy there is it. There isn't an absence of government |
Mr. Hyde |
Apr-02-09 07:45 AM |
#135 |
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That's because Somalia exists in the real world, where men with guns tend to fill power vacuums. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Apr-02-09 08:10 AM |
#137 |
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using Somalia as an example of anarchy is ridiculous |
G_j |
Apr-02-09 08:23 AM |
#138 |
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I used Somalia as a counter-example to the statement "civilization would be better off |
Raskolnik |
Apr-02-09 08:30 AM |
#140 |
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That's because the political philosophical conceptions have lost touch with reality. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-02-09 11:00 AM |
#157 |
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...or, if it goes against the prevailing ideologies people are indoctrinated into believing/exalting |
Echo In Light |
Apr-02-09 01:08 PM |
#166 |
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People are inherwently perfect and only indoctrinated into thinking they aren't, eh? BS!!! |
Odin2005 |
Apr-02-09 01:13 PM |
#167 |
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The point is, anyone will be influenced by the prevailing public opinions of their time/locale |
Echo In Light |
Apr-02-09 04:44 PM |
#168 |
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No government = no civilization. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-02-09 10:57 AM |
#154 |
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All the proposed "anarchist societies" I have seen are inherently unstable, and would collapse into |
Mr. Hyde |
Apr-03-09 05:23 AM |
#182 |
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The point being you can't get rid of government, you can only try to minimize... |
Odin2005 |
Apr-03-09 11:29 AM |
#191 |
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Anarchists have as much violence in them |
BoneDaddy |
Apr-02-09 07:31 AM |
#129 |
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You're equating a few broken windows with the deaths of a million Iraqis? |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 01:30 AM |
#178 |
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No, not at all |
BoneDaddy |
Apr-03-09 06:54 AM |
#183 |
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Is somebody that gets in a fist fight the same as a serial killer? |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-03-09 03:32 PM |
#204 |
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It's always better when the oppressed don't fight back, isn't it? |
Political Heretic |
Apr-02-09 08:28 AM |
#139 |
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the oppressed my ass. |
cali |
Apr-02-09 08:34 AM |
#141 |
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I was sickened watching some of the protestors yesterday |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-02-09 08:36 AM |
#142 |
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Because the other way hasn't worked? |
step up |
Apr-02-09 10:54 AM |
#152 |
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That's just silliness talking, I'm afraid. |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-02-09 12:52 PM |
#162 |
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It doesn't.. |
chrisa |
Apr-03-09 08:30 AM |
#187 |
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* |
Echo In Light |
Apr-02-09 09:57 AM |
#146 |
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The bankers jeering the crowds and waving |
juno jones |
Apr-02-09 10:28 AM |
#148 |
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You don't smell a rat here? I do... |
step up |
Apr-02-09 10:42 AM |
#150 |
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How does anyone know if those so called "anarchists" aren't plants to make the peaceful protesters |
earth mom |
Apr-02-09 11:54 AM |
#161 |
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I know DC anarchists |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-03-09 12:24 AM |
#171 |
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after the S11 protests in Melbourne |
Djinn |
Apr-04-09 12:58 AM |
#224 |
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"Say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism..." |
specimenfred1984 |
Apr-02-09 12:59 PM |
#164 |
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THERE ARE NO ANARCHISTS. Only undercover cops and angry teens egged on by the cops. |
slampoet |
Apr-03-09 11:39 AM |
#193 |
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It's Quite Simple: Most Anarchists Lack Any Critical Thinking Ability. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-03-09 11:39 AM |
#194 |
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I do not think you can qualify as an anarchist unless you have at least a basic understanding of... |
joshcryer |
Apr-03-09 06:16 PM |
#223 |