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Tue Mar-31-09 10:17 PM
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| 71. maybe you need to get a clue |
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rough for a generation? it's already been fucking "rough for a generation."
painful? you have no idea. really, as your post so clearly indicates: YOU HAVE NO IDEA
i'll tell you the one advantage we have here in the state of michigan - we are already well entrenched in the economic miasma the rest of you are about to start feeling. we've been growing our own veggies for years. yeah, they have fucking artist communities burgeoning in detroit too.
in michigan, there are no jobs, there is no bailout, there is no money, there is no help - and we have the rest of the fucking country telling us "too bad, so sad, it's all your fault anyway. you and your unions." ack! SCREAM! FUCK ALL YOU PEOPLE!
before you make your (not at all) well thought out pseudo-philosophical (bullshit) pronouncements, please take the time to understand the history and current economic crisis in this state. you suggest that the "workers" need to take control of their destiny? well fucking duh! they did! generations ago - and we call it "THE UNION." and unions have drawn the ire of TBTB every single day since then. and all the time and money that has been spent weakening and demonizing unions has come to fruition. but the fate of the unions is the fate of the american worker whether they like unions or not.
40 hour work week? thank you Union! Health insurance? thank you Union! Paid vacation? thank you Union! Overtime pay? thank you Union! Safe working conditions? thank you Union! Middle Class? thank you Union!
i could go on thanking the unions, but i have to get up at an ungodly hour to get to my temp job that has no benefits and if i clock in 3 minutes late, i will not be paid for my first quarter hour work.
so thank you for your useless advice to the state of Michigan.
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| -Maybe Michigan needs to stop its dependency on the auto industry. Is there anything left to lose? |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 11:29 AM |
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Why is all this rightwing crap tolerated here? nt |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:30 AM |
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Did you read my post at all? |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 11:32 AM |
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Yep. Rightwing apologia, recycled from the NAFTA debate. nt |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:33 AM |
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SO what do you think should happen? Mods lock the post? Ban the member? |
MadBadger |
Mar-31-09 11:34 AM |
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I think I did what I thought should happen: called him on his RW bs. |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:36 AM |
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Wasn't NAFTA supposed to be the big savior for Michigan? |
KamaAina |
Mar-31-09 01:18 PM |
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Is that a joke? We opposed it tooth and nail. nt |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 06:14 PM |
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It was an unfunny joke on the part of the NAFTA partisans |
KamaAina |
Apr-01-09 01:01 PM |
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So economic diversity is right wing? Interesting. |
anigbrowl |
Mar-31-09 11:14 PM |
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It's liberal to restrict American manufacturing? |
Kalyke |
Mar-31-09 01:19 PM |
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Restrict it how? |
anigbrowl |
Mar-31-09 11:15 PM |
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when you go all the way to the right of the clock |
maxsolomon |
Mar-31-09 11:35 AM |
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What the hell is a "social libertarian"? |
Oregone |
Mar-31-09 11:36 AM |
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A rightwinger who was forced out of the Puke party by fundies. nt |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:38 AM |
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noam chomsky |
maxsolomon |
Mar-31-09 11:39 AM |
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Yeah, my neighbor down the street would love live in that society |
Oregone |
Mar-31-09 11:46 AM |
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I think the order you put those words in has an impact on the meaning... nt |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 06:21 PM |
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It's hard to take a "libertarian" argument seriously when it does not mention the TRILLIONS |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:37 AM |
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"pounding sand down a rat hole" |
maxsolomon |
Mar-31-09 11:41 AM |
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I wonder if eeyore feels that the trillions to Wall Street are "sustainable"? |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:43 AM |
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Wall Street is fucked. |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 11:49 AM |
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If $3 trillion of taxpayer $$$ (no strings attached) is "fucked", I'm reaching for the KY. nt |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:51 AM |
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Fucked as in beyond disgusting. |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 11:58 AM |
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We have been diversifying |
blue_onyx |
Mar-31-09 12:01 PM |
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Yes, "we should try reforming the manufacturing economy towards sustainability" |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 11:37 AM |
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It's an empty platitude most frequently deployed by advocates of globalization. |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:39 AM |
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No, it isn't. "Sustainability" is usually an anti-globalization, pro-environmentalist buzzword. |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 11:40 AM |
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The OP uses the language of the Left to justify the economic program of the Right. |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:42 AM |
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I don't think it's that clear. |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 11:45 AM |
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The OP is suggesting free market fundamentalism as the answer to Detroit's problem |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:47 AM |
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Where are you getting free markets? He's referencing times when |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 11:49 AM |
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He's talking about letting GM fail, dullard. nt |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:50 AM |
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From a preposterously left-wing perspective. |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 11:53 AM |
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The OP uses the language of the Left to justify the economic program of the Right. |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 11:55 AM |
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We heard you first time. Still bullshit. |
anigbrowl |
Mar-31-09 11:24 PM |
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Sez you. Others don't see it that way. |
anigbrowl |
Mar-31-09 11:25 PM |
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Oregon has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation right now |
Oregone |
Mar-31-09 11:34 AM |
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add in casinos to the bad economic strategies of the west |
maxsolomon |
Mar-31-09 11:38 AM |
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Ug, dont remind me. Yeah, that casino in Coos Bay sure turned that town into San Francisco overnight |
Oregone |
Mar-31-09 11:42 AM |
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Were you here in the mid 80s? |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 11:42 AM |
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Yes I was |
Oregone |
Mar-31-09 11:58 AM |
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I can't deny that Oregon is in a rough economic time. |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 12:19 PM |
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A lot of these creative industries are only possible, because there is so much... |
Oregone |
Mar-31-09 12:30 PM |
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Advocating a huge shift from a strong manufacturing economy to a service economy is disingenuous. |
ogneopasno |
Mar-31-09 11:36 AM |
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So the solution is to rely on the corporate robbers of the Service industry? |
HughBeaumont |
Mar-31-09 11:37 AM |
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How about diversifying? |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 11:44 AM |
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Silly eeyore. If we have multiple gods, how will we know which ones to worship? |
anigbrowl |
Mar-31-09 11:27 PM |
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What will these future generations be driving? nt |
sufrommich |
Mar-31-09 11:38 AM |
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Who knows? |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 11:45 AM |
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"Maybe nothing at all" |
sufrommich |
Mar-31-09 11:48 AM |
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Honesty, I have no idea. |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 11:53 AM |
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there was a time before cars. |
maxsolomon |
Mar-31-09 01:09 PM |
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this is more about saving the manufacturing base than the auto industry per se... |
angstlessk |
Mar-31-09 11:38 AM |
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The washing machine maker took off for China. |
amandabeech |
Mar-31-09 01:17 PM |
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They're trying |
bluestateguy |
Mar-31-09 11:39 AM |
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It's not a foregone conclusion |
zipplewrath |
Mar-31-09 12:38 PM |
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Well they do have a great football program at big blue. |
Hubert Flottz |
Mar-31-09 11:40 AM |
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Not right now they dont |
MadBadger |
Mar-31-09 11:41 AM |
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They just need a better coach... |
Hubert Flottz |
Mar-31-09 01:02 PM |
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I'm glad you've decided for us |
blue_onyx |
Mar-31-09 11:48 AM |
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I'm not being critical, just asking an honest question |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 12:03 PM |
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Well, you were being critical |
blue_onyx |
Mar-31-09 12:16 PM |
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Perhaps I wasn't clear... |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 12:34 PM |
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When GM and Chrysler go under, |
amandabeech |
Mar-31-09 01:19 PM |
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First of all, the auto industry doesn't just involve Michigan, |
MadHound |
Mar-31-09 11:52 AM |
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What MadHound said. |
sufrommich |
Mar-31-09 11:54 AM |
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A manufacturing base is a fantastic thing... |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 12:07 PM |
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Oregon's manufacturing base consists of.... |
Oregone |
Mar-31-09 12:10 PM |
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You need to come to Portland |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 12:21 PM |
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Ive been to Portland, Ive also been to... |
Oregone |
Mar-31-09 12:44 PM |
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Which is why we need to revive ours |
MadHound |
Mar-31-09 12:20 PM |
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It might not be to the focus of your post but you just can't have |
tech3149 |
Mar-31-09 12:16 PM |
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You exactly got my point. |
eeyore |
Mar-31-09 12:25 PM |
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eeyore, several posters have given you testimony to the |
Fire1 |
Mar-31-09 01:13 PM |
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yeah. The rest of the country is cutting the auto makers loose. |
leftofthedial |
Mar-31-09 01:16 PM |
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True for Michigan and many other areas of the country - time to move on... |
polichick |
Mar-31-09 06:19 PM |
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maybe you need to get a clue |
shugah |
Mar-31-09 10:17 PM |
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"It'll be rough for a generation" .... are you planning to go there to help the |
TBF |
Apr-01-09 01:11 PM |
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