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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 11:40 AM
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21. No, it isn't. "Sustainability" is usually an anti-globalization, pro-environmentalist buzzword.
The OP is more pie-in-the-sky left-wing than anything else. "Gee, wouldn't it be great if we could all be like Oregon and not have to worry about manufacturing and all be artists instead?"
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  -Maybe Michigan needs to stop its dependency on the auto industry. Is there anything left to lose? eeyore  Mar-31-09 11:29 AM   #0 
  - Why is all this rightwing crap tolerated here? nt  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:30 AM   #1 
  - Did you read my post at all?  eeyore   Mar-31-09 11:32 AM   #2 
  - Yep. Rightwing apologia, recycled from the NAFTA debate. nt  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:33 AM   #3 
  - SO what do you think should happen? Mods lock the post? Ban the member?  MadBadger   Mar-31-09 11:34 AM   #5 
  - I think I did what I thought should happen: called him on his RW bs.  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:36 AM   #8 
  - Wasn't NAFTA supposed to be the big savior for Michigan?  KamaAina   Mar-31-09 01:18 PM   #65 
  - Is that a joke? We opposed it tooth and nail. nt  Romulox   Mar-31-09 06:14 PM   #68 
     - It was an unfunny joke on the part of the NAFTA partisans  KamaAina   Apr-01-09 01:01 PM   #77 
  - So economic diversity is right wing? Interesting.  anigbrowl   Mar-31-09 11:14 PM   #72 
  - It's liberal to restrict American manufacturing?  Kalyke   Mar-31-09 01:19 PM   #67 
     - Restrict it how?  anigbrowl   Mar-31-09 11:15 PM   #73 
  - when you go all the way to the right of the clock  maxsolomon   Mar-31-09 11:35 AM   #6 
  - What the hell is a "social libertarian"?  Oregone   Mar-31-09 11:36 AM   #9 
  - A rightwinger who was forced out of the Puke party by fundies. nt  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:38 AM   #14 
  - noam chomsky  maxsolomon   Mar-31-09 11:39 AM   #19 
     - Yeah, my neighbor down the street would love live in that society  Oregone   Mar-31-09 11:46 AM   #31 
     - I think the order you put those words in has an impact on the meaning... nt  Romulox   Mar-31-09 06:21 PM   #70 
  - It's hard to take a "libertarian" argument seriously when it does not mention the TRILLIONS  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:37 AM   #12 
     - "pounding sand down a rat hole"  maxsolomon   Mar-31-09 11:41 AM   #22 
        - I wonder if eeyore feels that the trillions to Wall Street are "sustainable"?  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:43 AM   #27 
           - Wall Street is fucked.  eeyore   Mar-31-09 11:49 AM   #35 
              - If $3 trillion of taxpayer $$$ (no strings attached) is "fucked", I'm reaching for the KY. nt  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:51 AM   #38 
                 - Fucked as in beyond disgusting.  eeyore   Mar-31-09 11:58 AM   #44 
                    - We have been diversifying  blue_onyx   Mar-31-09 12:01 PM   #46 
  - Yes, "we should try reforming the manufacturing economy towards sustainability"  Occam Bandage   Mar-31-09 11:37 AM   #11 
     - It's an empty platitude most frequently deployed by advocates of globalization.  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:39 AM   #17 
        - No, it isn't. "Sustainability" is usually an anti-globalization, pro-environmentalist buzzword.  Occam Bandage   Mar-31-09 11:40 AM   #21 
           - The OP uses the language of the Left to justify the economic program of the Right.  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:42 AM   #25 
              - I don't think it's that clear.  Occam Bandage   Mar-31-09 11:45 AM   #29 
                 - The OP is suggesting free market fundamentalism as the answer to Detroit's problem  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:47 AM   #32 
                    - Where are you getting free markets? He's referencing times when  Occam Bandage   Mar-31-09 11:49 AM   #36 
                       - He's talking about letting GM fail, dullard. nt  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:50 AM   #37 
                          - From a preposterously left-wing perspective.  Occam Bandage   Mar-31-09 11:53 AM   #40 
                          - The OP uses the language of the Left to justify the economic program of the Right.  Romulox   Mar-31-09 11:55 AM   #43 
                             - We heard you first time. Still bullshit.  anigbrowl   Mar-31-09 11:24 PM   #74 
                          - Sez you. Others don't see it that way.  anigbrowl   Mar-31-09 11:25 PM   #75 
  - Oregon has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation right now  Oregone   Mar-31-09 11:34 AM   #4 
  - add in casinos to the bad economic strategies of the west  maxsolomon   Mar-31-09 11:38 AM   #13 
  - Ug, dont remind me. Yeah, that casino in Coos Bay sure turned that town into San Francisco overnight  Oregone   Mar-31-09 11:42 AM   #24 
  - Were you here in the mid 80s?  eeyore   Mar-31-09 11:42 AM   #26 
     - Yes I was  Oregone   Mar-31-09 11:58 AM   #45 
        - I can't deny that Oregon is in a rough economic time.  eeyore   Mar-31-09 12:19 PM   #52 
           - A lot of these creative industries are only possible, because there is so much...  Oregone   Mar-31-09 12:30 PM   #56 
  - Advocating a huge shift from a strong manufacturing economy to a service economy is disingenuous.  ogneopasno   Mar-31-09 11:36 AM   #7 
  - So the solution is to rely on the corporate robbers of the Service industry?  HughBeaumont   Mar-31-09 11:37 AM   #10 
  - How about diversifying?  eeyore   Mar-31-09 11:44 AM   #28 
     - Silly eeyore. If we have multiple gods, how will we know which ones to worship?  anigbrowl   Mar-31-09 11:27 PM   #76 
  - What will these future generations be driving? nt  sufrommich   Mar-31-09 11:38 AM   #15 
  - Who knows?  eeyore   Mar-31-09 11:45 AM   #30 
     - "Maybe nothing at all"  sufrommich   Mar-31-09 11:48 AM   #34 
        - Honesty, I have no idea.  eeyore   Mar-31-09 11:53 AM   #41 
        - there was a time before cars.  maxsolomon   Mar-31-09 01:09 PM   #61 
  - this is more about saving the manufacturing base than the auto industry per se...  angstlessk   Mar-31-09 11:38 AM   #16 
  - The washing machine maker took off for China.  amandabeech   Mar-31-09 01:17 PM   #64 
  - They're trying  bluestateguy   Mar-31-09 11:39 AM   #18 
  - It's not a foregone conclusion  zipplewrath   Mar-31-09 12:38 PM   #58 
  - Well they do have a great football program at big blue.  Hubert Flottz   Mar-31-09 11:40 AM   #20 
  - Not right now they dont  MadBadger   Mar-31-09 11:41 AM   #23 
     - They just need a better coach...  Hubert Flottz   Mar-31-09 01:02 PM   #60 
  - I'm glad you've decided for us  blue_onyx   Mar-31-09 11:48 AM   #33 
  - I'm not being critical, just asking an honest question  eeyore   Mar-31-09 12:03 PM   #47 
     - Well, you were being critical  blue_onyx   Mar-31-09 12:16 PM   #51 
     - Perhaps I wasn't clear...  eeyore   Mar-31-09 12:34 PM   #57 
     - When GM and Chrysler go under,  amandabeech   Mar-31-09 01:19 PM   #66 
  - First of all, the auto industry doesn't just involve Michigan,  MadHound   Mar-31-09 11:52 AM   #39 
  - What MadHound said.  sufrommich   Mar-31-09 11:54 AM   #42 
  - A manufacturing base is a fantastic thing...  eeyore   Mar-31-09 12:07 PM   #48 
     - Oregon's manufacturing base consists of....  Oregone   Mar-31-09 12:10 PM   #49 
     - You need to come to Portland  eeyore   Mar-31-09 12:21 PM   #54 
        - Ive been to Portland, Ive also been to...  Oregone   Mar-31-09 12:44 PM   #59 
     - Which is why we need to revive ours  MadHound   Mar-31-09 12:20 PM   #53 
  - It might not be to the focus of your post but you just can't have  tech3149   Mar-31-09 12:16 PM   #50 
  - You exactly got my point.  eeyore   Mar-31-09 12:25 PM   #55 
  - eeyore, several posters have given you testimony to the  Fire1   Mar-31-09 01:13 PM   #62 
  - yeah. The rest of the country is cutting the auto makers loose.  leftofthedial   Mar-31-09 01:16 PM   #63 
  - True for Michigan and many other areas of the country - time to move on...  polichick   Mar-31-09 06:19 PM   #69 
  - maybe you need to get a clue  shugah   Mar-31-09 10:17 PM   #71 
  - "It'll be rough for a generation" .... are you planning to go there to help the  TBF   Apr-01-09 01:11 PM   #78 

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