Occam Bandage
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Tue Mar-31-09 12:05 PM
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| 6. So far there are seven recs, which I appreciate, but I'd really like to see a bit of discussion. |
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Edited on Tue Mar-31-09 12:05 PM by Occam Bandage
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| -GM is in the exact same situation the legacy airlines were in: |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 11:17 AM |
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C'mon, nobody has anything to say? |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 11:37 AM |
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I Want A Pony |
Beetwasher |
Mar-31-09 11:40 AM |
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Hm. Not too late to entitle this, "BUSH WAS BETTER FOR UNIONS THAN OBAMA." |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 11:42 AM |
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Then shut the fuck up about Iraq |
nichomachus |
Mar-31-09 04:37 PM |
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Uh, what? |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 05:58 PM |
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Very insightful. n-t |
Toucano |
Mar-31-09 11:45 AM |
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Thanks. |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 11:56 AM |
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So far there are seven recs, which I appreciate, but I'd really like to see a bit of discussion. |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 12:05 PM |
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I think the big difference is that in the airline industry |
smoogatz |
Mar-31-09 12:06 PM |
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There is a great deal of protection |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 12:21 PM |
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You know what would help the airlines even more? |
smoogatz |
Mar-31-09 12:33 PM |
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Unfortunately, you are in the vast minority. Now, most people |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 12:43 PM |
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I think that's a false assumption on the part of the big airlines |
smoogatz |
Mar-31-09 12:52 PM |
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It's not so much "a false assumption" as it is |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 01:03 PM |
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The problem there is Northwest's stupid seating system |
smoogatz |
Mar-31-09 01:10 PM |
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Right. Most people don't care enough. They won't pay more, |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 01:14 PM |
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Yeah but Occam-- |
smoogatz |
Mar-31-09 01:21 PM |
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Another thing-- |
smoogatz |
Mar-31-09 01:39 PM |
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I cannot agree with one of your points. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Mar-31-09 02:46 PM |
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I'll take it a step further |
spooky3 |
Mar-31-09 12:43 PM |
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bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!! Reagan destroyed the Airline Unions with the firing of the |
flyarm |
Mar-31-09 12:19 PM |
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I don't think that's true. |
smoogatz |
Mar-31-09 12:21 PM |
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The air-traffic controllers don't have anything to do with the airline unions. |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 12:25 PM |
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To say that they were completely unaffected by PATCO is to be wrong |
MrCoffee |
Mar-31-09 12:39 PM |
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Only in the sense that all unions everywhere are damaged by a blow to solidarity. |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 12:44 PM |
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that is my point exactly!!!!... |
flyarm |
Mar-31-09 12:56 PM |
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I think de-reg had a lot more to do with it. |
smoogatz |
Mar-31-09 01:04 PM |
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it was the "perfect storm"...it converged ..and we the people got fucked!eom |
flyarm |
Mar-31-09 01:41 PM |
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True dat. nt |
smoogatz |
Mar-31-09 01:45 PM |
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Absolutely Mr. Coffee... |
flyarm |
Mar-31-09 01:03 PM |
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And Andrew Card and Bush Sr. wanted cabotage... |
October |
Mar-31-09 01:12 PM |
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you got that right..but they had the leverage then because we did not shut the nation down |
flyarm |
Mar-31-09 01:33 PM |
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geithner's dad was, allegedly, obama's mom's boss at the ford foundation, too. |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-31-09 01:56 PM |
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And now we have the likes of Fred Smith (FedEx) holding Congress hostage |
October |
Mar-31-09 08:39 PM |
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Very true. Who else had ever heard of "B" pay scales???? |
October |
Mar-31-09 01:13 PM |
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those who ignore history..do so at their own peril!! eom |
flyarm |
Mar-31-09 01:42 PM |
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Airlines weren't part of the American mythology. |
Redbear |
Mar-31-09 12:54 PM |
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Good point -nt- |
ContinentalOp |
Mar-31-09 01:15 PM |
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I think the biggest difference between the airlines and GM is that |
nonconformist |
Mar-31-09 01:06 PM |
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"Concessions will involve pay cuts and benefit cuts" |
Oregone |
Mar-31-09 01:08 PM |
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Because that would make too much sense. |
nonconformist |
Mar-31-09 01:12 PM |
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I'd be in favor of that, but that's something of a different discussion. nt |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 01:15 PM |
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Why does it have to be a different discussion if it is part of the solution? |
Oregone |
Mar-31-09 01:19 PM |
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Because, as you hint at, this discussion is about their business plan. |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 06:02 PM |
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Ford will get their concessions..just look what they are doing at present.. |
flyarm |
Mar-31-09 01:48 PM |
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Excellent post. |
ContinentalOp |
Mar-31-09 01:13 PM |
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Why isn't Obama forcing Wall Street to restructure. |
blue_onyx |
Mar-31-09 09:27 PM |
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Wagoner Bet the Company on Cheap Oil From Iraq And Lost |
AndyTiedye |
Mar-31-09 01:32 PM |
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I haven't flown since PATCO was killed. And I won't ever again. |
mbperrin |
Mar-31-09 01:38 PM |
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WRONG, WRONG, wrong: what you said: |
amborin |
Mar-31-09 01:41 PM |
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Yeah, nothing's wrong with the auto industry. It just needs a few months to shake things out. |
Occam Bandage |
Mar-31-09 05:59 PM |
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I think a good bit of the resistence to what's being done with the car companies ..... |
Stinky The Clown |
Mar-31-09 09:30 PM |
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Too bad Obama pretty much took a universal single payer health care |
blue_onyx |
Mar-31-09 09:41 PM |
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