TahitiNut
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Tue Mar-31-09 02:35 PM
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| 37. As a Detroiter, born and raised, and former GM employee, here's my perspective. |
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Edited on Tue Mar-31-09 02:46 PM by TahitiNut
When Roger Smith became the CEO of GM, the die was cast: the MBA 'abitrage' types took over. The "car guys" were told to STFU and do what they were told. What's that about? Simply this. There was a decades-long struggle within GM between the Guys Who Made Money and the Guys Who Made Cars. The GWMM crowd was all about trading paper and playing money games ... and the factory rats were mere window dressing for those arbitrage games. The GWMC crowd were all about cars ... big ones and small ones and cheap ones and expensive ones. The accounting guys were there to make it POSSIBLE to make cars. From the time Roger Smith became CEO, it was all about making money. ONLY. Close a factory and make money. Close down all of Flint and make money. Lay off workers and make money. Get rid of separate car line engineering (intrapreneuring) and make money. Get rid of separate assembly plants (forcing ALL car lines into the same mold) and make money.
The engineers were 'out' and the MBAs were 'in'.
The MBAs were in bed with the bankers. They lived in the same neighborhoods and belonged to the same country clubs and graduated from the same schools (Wharton and Chicago and Harvard Business Schools). They weren't smart enough to survive in the engineering schools. They harbored the resentment for being treated like the morons they were by the engineering students. The MBA/BusAd fraternities had good test files ... and the faculty cooperated by keeping the same tests and quizzes year after year after year. It was incest. When they became the bosses, they got even. They treated the "car guys" like shit. The engineering cooperative educational programs were shut down. The outreach into high schools to sustain 'auto shops' were terminated. After all, the MBA types didn't need them.
Roger Smith ONLY hired and promoted people like HIM. Inbreeding. MBA types ONLY hire and promote MBA types. After all, everyone knows that the greatest advantage of getting a Harvard MBA is NETWORKING ... being a member of the "club." Competence isn't required to "play ball" ... not their kind of "ball."
FWIW, Thorsten Veblen warned us about this 100 years ago.
In the interest of full disclosure, I knew Ed Cole ... one of the very last "car guys" to be CEO of GM back in the late 60s. Ed Cole was an extraordinary guy. I miss him.
While Roger Smith personified the MBA mentality, his mentor and predecessor, Thomas A. Murphy, is the one who said it all aloud: 'General Motors is not in the business of making cars. It is in the business of making money."
That's why GM failed. They forgot why they were in business.
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the real reason why GM and it's workers are screwed |
Soylent Brice |
Mar-31-09 10:56 AM |
#0 |

I do agree. However, I do NOT agree with the double standard |
liberalhistorian |
Mar-31-09 11:21 AM |
#1 |
 
double standard indeed, and again |
Soylent Brice |
Mar-31-09 11:26 AM |
#2 |
  
Actually, some Wall Street institutions have been badly |
liberalhistorian |
Mar-31-09 11:41 AM |
#12 |
 
'splain that to me....... |
FredStembottom |
Mar-31-09 11:27 AM |
#3 |
  
figures. |
Soylent Brice |
Mar-31-09 11:31 AM |
#5 |
  
Pronouns. "It's" isn't a possessive any more than "Her's" |
TahitiNut |
Mar-31-09 11:34 AM |
#6 |
   
Of course! |
FredStembottom |
Mar-31-09 11:54 AM |
#19 |
  
right on! |
Soylent Brice |
Mar-31-09 11:56 AM |
#21 |
  
There are two "its." |
liberalhistorian |
Mar-31-09 11:34 AM |
#7 |
   
my grade for the day: |
Soylent Brice |
Mar-31-09 11:35 AM |
#9 |
  
memory aids: |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-01-09 04:58 PM |
#49 |
 
It's not a double standard. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-31-09 11:50 AM |
#17 |
  
"Outside of the toxic assets, they're profitable." |
Zenlitened |
Apr-01-09 04:45 PM |
#48 |
 
Superb post, excellent point. Spot on, IMO. NT |
Mike 03 |
Apr-01-09 06:18 PM |
#55 |

"pushing gas guzzlers" |
blue_onyx |
Mar-31-09 11:30 AM |
#4 |
 
that's funny, not according to this: |
Soylent Brice |
Mar-31-09 11:34 AM |
#8 |
  
Check again.... |
blue_onyx |
Mar-31-09 12:14 PM |
#23 |
 
That's kind of circular logic. Yes, it's true that consumers |
liberalhistorian |
Mar-31-09 11:39 AM |
#10 |

and BINGO was his name-oooooo! |
Soylent Brice |
Mar-31-09 11:40 AM |
#11 |

Then you could say that about ANYTHING |
blue_onyx |
Mar-31-09 12:18 PM |
#24 |

No. A lot of people just don't like small cars, and I know plenty of them. |
amandabeech |
Mar-31-09 12:20 PM |
#25 |

Your logic is also circular, and by the same token. |
Romulox |
Mar-31-09 12:45 PM |
#30 |

Oh - so NOOOO American could possibly think for his or herself. |
Kalyke |
Apr-01-09 04:33 PM |
#46 |

Your arguement is ridiculous. You talk about bad management |
acmavm |
Mar-31-09 11:44 AM |
#13 |
 
They're the same group of people. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-31-09 11:48 AM |
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Oh whatever. The beneficiaries of bailing out Detroit are millions |
acmavm |
Mar-31-09 11:52 AM |
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Bailing out wallstreet is the same as bailing out detroit. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-31-09 02:06 PM |
#35 |
 
**snark** Okay, you're wasting my time now. |
acmavm |
Mar-31-09 02:28 PM |
#36 |
 
and here we get to the meat of the issue |
Soylent Brice |
Mar-31-09 11:55 AM |
#20 |

The person trying to fix it is treating the auto companies differently than the financial companies. |
amandabeech |
Mar-31-09 12:28 PM |
#26 |

Bullshit- just sayin |
we can do it |
Mar-31-09 11:46 AM |
#14 |

That's one major part of it, yes. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-31-09 11:48 AM |
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The difference, as I understand it, from Obama's POV is this: |
smoogatz |
Mar-31-09 12:01 PM |
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i love this: |
Soylent Brice |
Mar-31-09 12:43 PM |
#27 |
 
I disagree completely with Obama's premise. |
amandabeech |
Mar-31-09 12:58 PM |
#32 |

In 1991, I decided to buy a pickup truck |
Urban Prairie |
Mar-31-09 12:43 PM |
#28 |

We were lazy. |
Gregorian |
Mar-31-09 12:44 PM |
#29 |
 
Lazy may be too kind. Gluttonous may be more accurate. |
No.23 |
Mar-31-09 12:47 PM |
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You should send that to Geithner and the banks. n/t |
amandabeech |
Mar-31-09 01:04 PM |
#34 |
 
So goes Mendocino, so goes the world. |
amandabeech |
Mar-31-09 01:03 PM |
#33 |

It wasn't meant to be insulting. |
Gregorian |
Mar-31-09 03:02 PM |
#38 |

to put it simply, yes. the world is was inching towards us for |
Soylent Brice |
Apr-01-09 08:26 AM |
#39 |

As a Detroiter, born and raised, and former GM employee, here's my perspective. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-31-09 02:35 PM |
#37 |
 
i wish i could recommend a reply. |
Soylent Brice |
Apr-01-09 08:28 AM |
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Thanks. I usually don't bother starting threads -- we have too many as it is. |
TahitiNut |
Apr-01-09 12:46 PM |
#42 |
 
"we have too many as it is." True, but ... |
ColbertWatcher |
Apr-01-09 04:32 PM |
#45 |
 
Kick and rec this post! Beautifully put. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Apr-01-09 04:29 PM |
#43 |
 
Nice post.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-01-09 05:02 PM |
#50 |
 
That's exactly it - it stopped being run by gearheads who loved making cars, |
Rabrrrrrr |
Apr-01-09 05:20 PM |
#52 |

Yup. I worked at Chevy Central Office when Pete Estes and John Z. were there. |
TahitiNut |
Apr-01-09 05:59 PM |
#53 |

And so many other companies "balanced" their acounting sheets by cutting R&D |
Rabrrrrrr |
Apr-01-09 06:16 PM |
#54 |

That is all bullshit |
NNN0LHI |
Apr-01-09 08:41 AM |
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AMEN! |
Kalyke |
Apr-01-09 04:40 PM |
#47 |
 
Land Schooner, (Sequoia) 14 MPG City, 17 MPG Highway, YOUR millage WILL vary |
DainBramaged |
Apr-01-09 05:03 PM |
#51 |

But no one wanted fuel efficient automobiles. |
Kalyke |
Apr-01-09 04:31 PM |
#44 |