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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 10:08 PM
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40. Ah. Thanks for the reality check, SW.

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  -Things I thought I'd never see on DU, #42,421: Occam Bandage  Mar-30-09 09:16 PM   #0 
  - Bizarro World.  Avalux   Mar-30-09 09:17 PM   #1 
  - Is the new CEO more sympathetic to unions?  Eric J in MN   Mar-30-09 09:25 PM   #3 
     - I don't know if he is or not.  Avalux   Mar-30-09 09:27 PM   #5 
     - How are they subsidizing a move towards electric cars? NT  Eric J in MN   Mar-30-09 09:32 PM   #10 
        - Granholm brought it up today -  Avalux   Mar-30-09 09:34 PM   #12 
     - Reportedly not.  lonestarnot   Mar-30-09 09:43 PM   #17 
     - or that none could make more than their union employees. nm  Morning Dew   Mar-30-09 11:09 PM   #71 
  - It was accompanied by the White House telling GM to cut retiree health benefits.  Eric J in MN   Mar-30-09 09:23 PM   #2 
  - So what is the alternative?  Avalux   Mar-30-09 09:29 PM   #7 
  - Here's the deal. If the retirees don't get to keep their benefits then the company can go to hell.  rhett o rick   Mar-30-09 10:35 PM   #58 
     - You always assume money lost = money stolen  anigbrowl   Mar-31-09 02:24 AM   #80 
        - I understand what you are saying, however, the company took money from the employees to keep  rhett o rick   Mar-31-09 11:21 AM   #82 
           - About that sort of thing I have no disagreement.  anigbrowl   Mar-31-09 09:17 PM   #86 
  - Auto workers lose their health insurance  dflprincess   Mar-30-09 09:29 PM   #8 
  - This is not Obama's fault. Executives at GM, Chrysler, etc. get their fat bonuses, too.  EmilyAnne   Mar-30-09 09:52 PM   #25 
  - That is not what I am talking about.  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 09:29 PM   #9 
  - No kidding  ellie   Mar-31-09 12:50 PM   #85 
  - what's worse...  Gman   Mar-30-09 10:24 PM   #53 
  - No kidding  Canuckistanian   Mar-30-09 09:26 PM   #4 
  - Uh, maybe it's because all the union workers are going to get screwed?  scarletwoman   Mar-30-09 09:27 PM   #6 
  - That's what happens when business models fail. What Obama is proposing is going  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 09:32 PM   #11 
  - So  BeFree   Mar-30-09 09:38 PM   #14 
  - If GM goes bankrupt, then the pensions may not be paid at all. NT  Eric J in MN   Mar-30-09 09:44 PM   #19 
  - but I see no reason that any blue collar worker, should sacrifice  G_j   Mar-30-09 09:42 PM   #15 
  - Yes, it would be nice if workers didn't get pay cuts when their employers went bankrupt.  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 09:49 PM   #21 
  - I understand that, but  G_j   Mar-30-09 09:56 PM   #30 
     - When a business can't pay workers any more, then what is a good solution?  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 10:00 PM   #33 
        - I think  G_j   Mar-30-09 10:20 PM   #51 
        - I think if tax money can be used to pay the for bonuses  dflprincess   Mar-30-09 10:26 PM   #54 
           - ABSO FUCKING LUTELY.  Political Heretic   Mar-30-09 11:43 PM   #76 
  - If the economy isn't "saved," the blue collar will suffer, too. Not just the autoworkers,  EmilyAnne   Mar-30-09 09:55 PM   #27 
     - sacrifice is an honorable and important lesson for any human being  G_j   Mar-30-09 10:08 PM   #42 
     - I think the sacrifice they will have to make is not honorable, but horrible. They have done  EmilyAnne   Mar-30-09 10:22 PM   #52 
        - I have a slight, if no, grip on economics.  G_j   Mar-30-09 10:38 PM   #59 
     - If you think that forking over trillions of tax dollars to crooked Wall St. firms  brentspeak   Mar-30-09 10:48 PM   #65 
  - If the government gave GM the support it gave CitiGroup, then GM would be doing fine.  Eric J in MN   Mar-30-09 09:42 PM   #16 
  - And if they gave my dog a third of that, he'd eat bacon every day. So?  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 09:46 PM   #20 
  - But what could GM do with that money and support? How could it become a viable, relevant company?  EmilyAnne   Mar-30-09 09:56 PM   #29 
     - Is AIG becoming a "viable, relevant company"?  girl gone mad   Mar-30-09 10:29 PM   #57 
     - It's not viable, but it's extraordinarily relevant.  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 11:06 PM   #69 
        - I don't think it's any more relevant than GM.  girl gone mad   Mar-30-09 11:57 PM   #78 
     - If they limited what executives got paid...  Eric J in MN   Mar-30-09 11:38 PM   #74 
  - In that case, I take it you'll be hitting the phone tomorrow  brentspeak   Mar-30-09 10:45 PM   #63 
  - Why would I? I have no idea if Geithner's plan was a good one or not.  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 10:59 PM   #68 
  - Then Obama & Co should let the god damn banks fail too.  earth mom   Mar-31-09 12:32 PM   #84 
  - Ah. Thanks for the reality check, SW.  Zhade   Mar-30-09 10:08 PM   #40 
  - People are losing their minds it seems.  Odin2005   Mar-30-09 09:35 PM   #13 
  - Yeah. A lot of crazy things up in here of late. nt  MADem   Mar-30-09 09:43 PM   #18 
  - Who is sad about the way Wagoner has been treated?  nonconformist   Mar-30-09 09:49 PM   #22 
  - I'm pissed about Wagoner  texastoast   Mar-30-09 11:19 PM   #72 
  - It wouldn't serve the op to be honest about that. nt  Mithreal   Mar-31-09 02:26 AM   #81 
  - And the CEO who stepped down was not on good terms with the UAW. But its such a travesty that he is  EmilyAnne   Mar-30-09 09:49 PM   #23 
  - No offense, but you sound like a shill for the banks.  girl gone mad   Mar-30-09 10:40 PM   #60 
     - "You always have." Laughing my ass off. I love the superlative. It reminds me of hearing an  EmilyAnne   Mar-31-09 02:19 AM   #79 
        - Wow! Well said!  Spazito   Mar-31-09 12:21 PM   #83 
  - My Problem Is the Disparity In Which The Companies are Treated By The Administration  MannyGoldstein   Mar-30-09 09:51 PM   #24 
  - Why do you care if a handful of multimillionaire CEOs are "treated like crap?"  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 09:57 PM   #31 
     - I Care About The Companies. The CEOs Can All Get Shitcaned.  MannyGoldstein   Mar-30-09 10:08 PM   #43 
        - I don't know, I think the whole wall-street-bonus thing was pretty nasty.  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 10:14 PM   #46 
  - you are misrepresenting people's views  Two Americas   Mar-30-09 09:54 PM   #26 
  - Oh, well then, it's a good thing I haven't seen any references to Wagoner then!  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 09:55 PM   #28 
     - don't be silly  Two Americas   Mar-30-09 09:57 PM   #32 
        - Sure I do, and I understand why people like to bring up Wagoner:  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 10:04 PM   #35 
           - still way off  Two Americas   Apr-01-09 01:48 PM   #87 
  - Not how MANAGEMENT has been treated but how the INDUSTRY has been treated  EFerrari   Mar-30-09 10:02 PM   #34 
  - at best.  TahitiNut   Mar-30-09 10:05 PM   #36 
  - No justice, no peeps.  EFerrari   Mar-30-09 10:17 PM   #48 
  - To open up a new conversation, which is the primary problem:  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 10:06 PM   #38 
     - Maybe because it paints an ugly picture, for one.  nonconformist   Mar-30-09 10:13 PM   #45 
        - So the problem is, rather, the unfortunate juxtaposition?  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 10:15 PM   #47 
  - Now we're cookin!!!!  cliffordu   Mar-30-09 10:06 PM   #37 
  - Here's one - DUers excusing Obama not going after war criminals.  Zhade   Mar-30-09 10:07 PM   #39 
  - It's good to know we've got our versions of Rudy 9iu11ni too!  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 10:08 PM   #41 
  - Actually, I think the real issue is the **comparative** treatment realtive to financial companies  Stinky The Clown   Mar-30-09 10:11 PM   #44 
  - There's more truth in your post here than most anything else I've read here.  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 10:18 PM   #49 
     - Amen  Stinky The Clown   Mar-30-09 10:19 PM   #50 
  - Look at all the good Wagoner has done for GM:  Jennicut   Mar-30-09 10:27 PM   #55 
  - It's topsy turvy world!  tavalon   Mar-30-09 10:28 PM   #56 
  - And you still didn't see it  brentspeak   Mar-30-09 10:43 PM   #61 
  - You may find posts #28 and #35 relevant to your interests!  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 10:46 PM   #64 
     - They're relevant for proving my point  brentspeak   Mar-30-09 10:54 PM   #66 
        - Nope!  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-09 10:57 PM   #67 
           - Do you now or did you ever work for Fox News?  brentspeak   Mar-30-09 11:07 PM   #70 
  - I think a lot of people do not realize that a large proportion of autoworkers  izzybeans   Mar-30-09 10:45 PM   #62 
  - I am glad to see Rick Wagoner go.  obiwan   Mar-30-09 11:22 PM   #73 
  - I tend to get angry at hypocritical contradictions.  Political Heretic   Mar-30-09 11:41 PM   #75 
  - fuck management  leftofthedial   Mar-30-09 11:44 PM   #77 

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