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Mon Mar-30-09 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #50 |
| 55. I like the 3 year thing |
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But I would be satisfied with 2.
Now what we have is a military that attracts the young men with violent tendencies and there are few normal people in the ranks to keep them in check...that is how atrocities are committed.
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| -It's Time To Bring Back the Draft |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 07:40 AM |
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And if so, end the deferments. Send the children of the wealthy to the front lines |
Wapsie B |
Mar-30-09 07:42 AM |
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Absolutely. |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 07:43 AM |
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I understand why one might think so, but you are wrong and I will fight you. Here's why... |
uppityperson |
Mar-30-09 12:40 PM |
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That will never happen but it points out one of the big problems with a new Draft |
ThomWV |
Mar-30-09 07:46 AM |
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Send them first!! |
HillbillyBob |
Mar-30-09 07:59 AM |
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I'll see your wealthy, and raise you 536 elected representatives. n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
Mar-30-09 10:48 AM |
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Agree 100% |
ThomWV |
Mar-30-09 07:47 AM |
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Funny how it's OK if other kids bear all the burden, huh? |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-09 08:56 AM |
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Bear what burden? The burden of imperial adventures? |
endarkenment |
Mar-30-09 09:00 AM |
#40 |
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That's just sophomoric posturing. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-09 09:08 AM |
#45 |
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The draft has never in its history affected the well connected |
endarkenment |
Mar-30-09 09:25 AM |
#51 |
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that is not actually true |
zeemike |
Mar-30-09 10:33 AM |
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Was Joe Kennedy "drafted", or did he volunteer? JFK? Baseball players? There's a difference. n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
Mar-30-09 11:01 AM |
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He probably volunteered but could have ben drafted. |
zeemike |
Mar-30-09 12:23 PM |
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actually, most of those serving in WWII were draftees; while most in Vietnam were not |
onenote |
Mar-30-09 12:27 PM |
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The constant WHINING about how "the draft has never affected the well-connected" ... |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-09 10:37 AM |
#60 |
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I fought in the streets and put my freedom on the line to end the draft |
endarkenment |
Mar-30-09 11:22 AM |
#71 |
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Yes and look what you got for your effort. |
zeemike |
Mar-30-09 12:34 PM |
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We already had perpetual war. No change there. |
endarkenment |
Mar-30-09 01:25 PM |
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exactly |
Djinn |
Mar-31-09 07:46 AM |
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Gosh... |
Cid_B |
Mar-30-09 11:41 AM |
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Our military, overt draft or mere coercion, has always been about 2/3 coerced and 1/3 duty-motivated |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-09 12:29 PM |
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You go send your kids. Keep your bloody hands off mine. nt. |
endarkenment |
Mar-30-09 07:55 AM |
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That is the attitude the draft would bring, and it would end these |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 07:58 AM |
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No it wouldn't. |
endarkenment |
Mar-30-09 08:00 AM |
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Public oppostion ended the Vietnam war. |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 08:02 AM |
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50,000 of ours dead. |
endarkenment |
Mar-30-09 08:57 AM |
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And you don't hear any of them complaining, do you? |
Orsino |
Mar-30-09 11:34 AM |
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Who do you mean by "them?" |
chrisa |
Mar-30-09 09:49 PM |
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Our dead 50,000. |
Orsino |
Mar-31-09 04:28 AM |
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Opposition to the draft is what fueled the "anti-war" |
ben_jenne |
Mar-30-09 09:03 AM |
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I'd say that's 80% of it. There were 10% solely motivated by pacifism... |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-09 09:10 AM |
#47 |
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Pass the Ripple man, and don't Bogart.... |
ben_jenne |
Mar-30-09 11:40 AM |
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Will you go if called? nt. |
BobRossi |
Mar-30-09 07:56 AM |
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No. I will join the people in the streets. |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 07:58 AM |
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People in the streets? |
BobRossi |
Mar-30-09 08:19 AM |
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I did go when called - and let me say that it the most cowardly thing in the world not to go. |
ThomWV |
Mar-30-09 08:05 AM |
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I also served. |
BobRossi |
Mar-30-09 08:22 AM |
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I will yeild that it is possible that you made a valid moral choice, if you will admit that it is |
patrice |
Mar-30-09 08:36 AM |
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How many of 1,000,000 dead Iraqis were actually a threat to your girls? If Iraqi girls die, why not |
patrice |
Mar-30-09 08:51 AM |
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Females need to be a part of any draft too. When daddy sees his little girl going off to die, there |
cabluedem |
Mar-31-09 04:06 AM |
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Absolutely agreed, as long as there is also a Department of Peace as described below. |
patrice |
Mar-31-09 07:34 AM |
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Do you think making War isn't pretending that you're ending War? |
patrice |
Mar-30-09 08:56 AM |
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sometimes, NOT going can be a very brave act... |
dysfunctional press |
Mar-30-09 08:26 AM |
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For some, it is the most cowardly thing in the world not to say "No" when your |
patrice |
Mar-30-09 08:29 AM |
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yes, risking being called "treasonous" and being jailed are sooo "cowardly" |
ima_sinnic |
Mar-30-09 09:05 AM |
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oh boy, yet another who believes popular decent is a cowardly act. |
Javaman |
Mar-30-09 10:31 AM |
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I knew many people who chose not to go and to me they are heroes |
PuraVidaDreamin |
Mar-30-09 10:40 AM |
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Mar-30-09 10:49 AM |
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Muhammad Ali |
H2O Man |
Mar-30-09 12:18 PM |
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Only if there is a complete OPPOSITE, Peace-making option with all of the same obligations, headed |
patrice |
Mar-30-09 08:01 AM |
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That sounds like a great idea. |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 08:03 AM |
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I'll have to think about that . . . "contracts" . . . ? |
patrice |
Mar-30-09 08:16 AM |
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I understand that some are necessary. |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 08:21 AM |
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Absolutely with you on these points!! Solidarity, tekisui! |
patrice |
Mar-30-09 08:47 AM |
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I agree with this too, but stipulate that the DOP would get half the DOD budget to operate |
ThomWV |
Mar-30-09 08:07 AM |
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I like this. |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 08:09 AM |
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Yes!! White-ops Secret Peace making? hmmmmmmm . . . . |
patrice |
Mar-30-09 08:13 AM |
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We don't need a draft, let those who support Obama's war in Afghanistan volunteer. n/t |
jody |
Mar-30-09 08:06 AM |
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Fat fucking chance. That would be likely as Bush's kids serving in combat. |
ThomWV |
Mar-30-09 08:08 AM |
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Amen! |
BobRossi |
Mar-30-09 08:18 AM |
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This would be the perfect world. Those who want it go do it and that would include Congress & Presid |
patrice |
Mar-30-09 08:20 AM |
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Oh, and we also get a check-off on our Taxes: "No Killing, directly or indirectly, with my money." |
patrice |
Mar-30-09 08:22 AM |
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Hear hear |
spoony |
Mar-30-09 11:39 AM |
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They already are. |
cliffordu |
Mar-30-09 12:45 PM |
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A colorful nickname, "Dickhead". Was it given to you by people who know you or is that your self |
jody |
Mar-30-09 01:40 PM |
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I think that reaction is based on your assertion that no one deployed supports the war |
bdab1973 |
Mar-31-09 12:29 PM |
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OR, close those hundreds of bases in other countries, bring everyone |
Obamanaut |
Mar-30-09 08:08 AM |
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Ding Ding Ding |
L0oniX |
Mar-30-09 08:50 AM |
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. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Mar-30-09 10:20 AM |
#53 |
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Not to mention the shot in the arm your suggestion would be to the economy. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Mar-30-09 11:00 AM |
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Miz O and I just returned from lunch, and we were talking about |
Obamanaut |
Mar-30-09 01:29 PM |
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I was on one of your Med/IO cruises. VS-32. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Mar-30-09 08:08 PM |
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Or maybe that's the tour I was on the Independence. |
Obamanaut |
Mar-30-09 08:48 PM |
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As someone whose military service was incentivised by the last draft, I say no to conscription |
HereSince1628 |
Mar-30-09 08:12 AM |
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You first. nt |
chrisa |
Mar-30-09 08:36 AM |
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Lets not Try to End Tyranny by Introducing More Tyranny |
kerrywins |
Mar-30-09 08:57 AM |
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I was drafted in the peacetime per viet nam era |
tularetom |
Mar-30-09 09:07 AM |
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I have some experience regarding the draft and military. |
zeemike |
Mar-30-09 09:07 AM |
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I like the idea of compulsory service, and especially that there be |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 09:11 AM |
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Don't thank me I was drafted |
zeemike |
Mar-30-09 10:13 AM |
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What happens if none of the draftees want to serve in the military? |
NNN0LHI |
Mar-30-09 09:13 AM |
#49 |
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It has always been the case that pacifist have been drafted |
zeemike |
Mar-30-09 10:21 AM |
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I remember the exact same things. I agree. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-09 09:16 AM |
#50 |
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I like the 3 year thing |
zeemike |
Mar-30-09 10:26 AM |
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These are the kind of ideas I was hoping to find in starting this thread. |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 11:50 AM |
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This subthread is the truth, IMO. |
Ron Green |
Mar-30-09 10:49 AM |
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Totally agree... no deferments, no other priorities, no text...... |
4bucksagallon |
Mar-30-09 09:10 AM |
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Hell No the Rich Won't Go |
LeFleur1 |
Mar-30-09 10:28 AM |
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Sorry no. perfect example is george w. moron*. he enlisted with daddies help |
Javaman |
Mar-30-09 10:29 AM |
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If a draft were imposed I would move my sons back to Canada,. |
demgurl |
Mar-30-09 10:38 AM |
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I've been saying this for years! |
trayfoot |
Mar-30-09 10:44 AM |
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DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNAH!!! |
cliffordu |
Mar-30-09 10:50 AM |
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see WWII WWI Civil War Korean War Vietnam War |
endarkenment |
Mar-30-09 11:23 AM |
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Special insight you have there, sparky. |
cliffordu |
Mar-30-09 11:56 AM |
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"riots by those hosebags who's children are too perfect" |
endarkenment |
Mar-30-09 12:12 PM |
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You really don't have to explain to me what it's about. |
cliffordu |
Mar-30-09 12:33 PM |
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Mar-30-09 10:55 AM |
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! |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 11:27 AM |
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Explain how 50,000 died in Vietnam. |
endarkenment |
Mar-30-09 11:33 AM |
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How did it finally stop? |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 11:40 AM |
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Part of the answer is that there were many, many years of involvement |
Obamanaut |
Mar-30-09 02:24 PM |
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Mar-30-09 11:57 AM |
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No. |
Orsino |
Mar-30-09 11:33 AM |
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Catch-22 |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-09 11:47 AM |
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It is, indeed. |
Orsino |
Mar-30-09 11:56 AM |
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Nope - it would only make it easier to fight such wars as we |
ddeclue |
Mar-30-09 12:08 PM |
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We have not been in a "just" war since WWII and there is no way I want my sons to be drafted. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Mar-30-09 12:20 PM |
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nor prior to it |
Djinn |
Mar-31-09 08:00 AM |
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I understand the point of this argument. |
freddie mertz |
Mar-30-09 12:30 PM |
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I am in full support of national service. |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 12:34 PM |
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Well, there's still a lot of open space in Canada for the refugees. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Mar-30-09 12:32 PM |
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Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler had the best remedy I've seen. |
sammythecat |
Mar-30-09 12:34 PM |
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Thanks! |
tekisui |
Mar-30-09 12:37 PM |
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Many of those who "profited" from Viet Nam ... |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-09 12:46 PM |
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"Ain't no use in goin' back... |
Ron Green |
Mar-30-09 02:43 PM |
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a few MILLION |
Djinn |
Mar-31-09 08:04 AM |
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economic conscription |
rampart |
Mar-30-09 08:12 PM |
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The Third Reich conscripted men. It didn't stop them from invading nearly all of Europe. |
LBJDemocrat |
Mar-30-09 09:06 PM |
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Ridiculous. |
chrisa |
Mar-30-09 09:48 PM |
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or you could just demand and end to war for profit and empire |
Djinn |
Mar-31-09 07:38 AM |
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great idea..it would change the tunes of a lot of people |
Mari333 |
Mar-31-09 08:07 AM |
#121 |
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