| -At the risk of angering some folks..... we have way too many guns in US streets |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 12:20 AM |
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I agree, Nadin, the violence needs to stop, |
Critters2 |
Mar-25-09 12:23 AM |
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I'm just going to reach for the popcorn |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 12:24 AM |
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My wife and I are eating the real thing..... |
cliffordu |
Mar-25-09 12:28 AM |
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I would actually like to see a reasoned conversation about this issue between you and Fire Medic Dav |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 12:38 AM |
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i hate to say it, but I don't believe we can have a reasoned conversation |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 12:41 AM |
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what is your solution? |
1 |
Mar-25-09 01:16 AM |
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Me too! nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-25-09 08:38 PM |
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Yes, get them off of the streets. Bring them back indoors |
Wiley50 |
Mar-25-09 12:33 AM |
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That's a whole different issue... aka the civil war some of us expect |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 12:36 AM |
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I've never needed to use a gun in self-defense or to resist oppression... |
NYC_SKP |
Mar-25-09 12:34 AM |
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There you go, and that is why I am not for banning guns |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 12:38 AM |
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Springfield ... |
RoyGBiv |
Mar-25-09 12:53 AM |
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You are right, I typed Henry since I happen to like that damn rifle |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 12:56 AM |
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I should add this ... |
RoyGBiv |
Mar-25-09 01:09 AM |
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P.S. |
RoyGBiv |
Mar-25-09 01:12 AM |
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Not quite correct |
Thothmes |
Mar-25-09 08:56 PM |
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Interesting ... |
RoyGBiv |
Mar-25-09 09:42 PM |
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The versions of the surrender of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia |
Thothmes |
Mar-26-09 05:45 AM |
#185 |
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Oh, that's not in question ... |
RoyGBiv |
Mar-26-09 08:06 AM |
#186 |
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its a price we have to pay now |
mgnmd |
Mar-25-09 12:55 AM |
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And what is that? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 12:58 AM |
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What's bound to happen? |
FLyellowdog |
Mar-25-09 01:28 AM |
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Yes we do, and every time I say something about it, the gun nuts come out screaming as if I'd said.. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Mar-25-09 12:59 AM |
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One note, most of the military I know |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 01:02 AM |
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Well I know 2 cops, and the fact that this country is filled with gun nuts |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Mar-25-09 01:07 AM |
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Your continued use of the derogatory term "gun nuts" makes anything you say irrelevant.. |
Ghost in the Machine |
Mar-25-09 03:15 PM |
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Gun nuts? Well, how about this..... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Mar-25-09 09:24 PM |
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Clearly, you've never been the victim of a violent crime |
silverojo |
Mar-25-09 01:37 AM |
#30 |
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The reason people are confronted by armed criminals is because |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Mar-25-09 08:40 AM |
#84 |
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Assumptions will get you far son |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 01:06 PM |
#94 |
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I've been mugged, and the mugge'rs companion was holding a gun. |
Critters2 |
Mar-25-09 03:40 PM |
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Don't say gun nuts OK? |
county worker |
Mar-25-09 04:07 PM |
#161 |
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The ASW ban was useless |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-25-09 01:07 AM |
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The problem isn't as much the type of gun as it is the type of gun owner. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 01:09 AM |
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so what is your solution? |
1 |
Mar-25-09 01:15 AM |
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See my previous post #7... I give details of my version there. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 01:17 AM |
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i see that. but post #7 only addresses law abiding folk. what is your solution to the real problem |
1 |
Mar-25-09 01:36 AM |
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False premise... the "bad guys" don't do most of the killing with guns.. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 01:45 AM |
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again with the childlike thoughts... |
1 |
Mar-25-09 02:14 AM |
#41 |
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Sorry but your reply is simply a non-sequitir and debunks nothing |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 02:19 AM |
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"If you had to have liability insurance for your gun" |
Leftist Agitator |
Mar-25-09 08:56 AM |
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Fact: 90% of gun offenders in Chicago have criminal histories. Are you saying they aren't "bad guys" |
jmg257 |
Mar-27-09 07:17 AM |
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End prohibition. nt |
kristopher |
Mar-25-09 03:55 AM |
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End prohibition of illegal drugs? machine guns? we've already ended prohibition of alchohol.. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 04:06 AM |
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The discussion has centered on an assault weapons ban |
kristopher |
Mar-25-09 05:48 AM |
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employers should be allowed to discriminate against marijuana users just as they do tobacco users. |
Leftist Agitator |
Mar-25-09 09:00 AM |
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The cops generally aren't outgunned anymore |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-25-09 01:19 AM |
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Require liability insurance to own a gun is a good start.. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 01:38 AM |
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exactly how do you get the bad guys, with their illegal guns, to sign up for liability insurance? |
1 |
Mar-25-09 01:55 AM |
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Where do you think the illegal guns come from in the first place? |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-25-09 02:10 AM |
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Nope.. they are either sold into the blackmarket in private gun sales or they are stolen. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 02:20 AM |
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Yes they are, but you aren't the one I was asking... |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-25-09 02:39 AM |
#52 |
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Sorry.. my mistake... |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 02:40 AM |
#53 |
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You are WRONG about the "real" problem.. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 02:17 AM |
#43 |
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and i reject your pollyanna approach to the subject... |
1 |
Mar-25-09 02:54 AM |
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Ridiculous, condescending and wrong. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 03:33 AM |
#58 |
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you are right... |
1 |
Mar-25-09 04:38 AM |
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Sorry but you're wrong... |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 04:50 AM |
#66 |
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is english your first language? can you read? |
1 |
Mar-25-09 05:11 AM |
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You apparently have no clue what you are talking about |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 05:17 AM |
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nice side-step. so you concede that your entire "citizens militia" argument is bullshit, right? |
1 |
Mar-25-09 05:24 AM |
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people who have lived in urban areas get it more so than those who don't |
fascisthunter |
Mar-25-09 02:54 PM |
#111 |
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Are cities more dangerous places than they were 20 or 40 years ago? |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 03:42 PM |
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True, but so can handguns, which are much easier to conceal |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-25-09 02:07 AM |
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Actually no the restrictions on car and plane ownership are much more severe than that. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 02:31 AM |
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Those regulation only apply if you plan on driving it on public roads |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-25-09 02:54 AM |
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Code enforcement can come and take your car out of the driveway and have it crushed here in FL |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 03:46 AM |
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P.S.:I'm not arguing "banning the AR15"... |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 02:39 AM |
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Insurance companies are grifting scum. |
Irreverend IX |
Mar-25-09 07:03 AM |
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SOME departments now issue AR-15 |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 01:25 PM |
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Teflon bullets? Not that shit again. |
Squatch |
Mar-25-09 02:14 AM |
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They very much do increase penetration. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 02:22 AM |
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do you own a gun? engineer? |
1 |
Mar-25-09 02:56 AM |
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Are you an engineer or merely a gun owner? |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 03:36 AM |
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I'm on my second barrel on my AR15. |
Ikonoklast |
Mar-25-09 03:50 PM |
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Too funny. |
Squatch |
Mar-25-09 05:53 AM |
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The banned "teflon coated bullets" were made of fairly hard STEEL |
benEzra |
Mar-25-09 09:13 PM |
#179 |
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Teflon bullets are an urban legend. |
Statistical |
Mar-25-09 08:36 AM |
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"That said though there's no need for teflon bullets" |
Leftist Agitator |
Mar-25-09 08:50 AM |
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yeah, yeah, yeah... too many guns. what is your solution? |
1 |
Mar-25-09 01:12 AM |
#21 |
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And anti-gun laws will REALLY keep guns out of criminals' hands |
silverojo |
Mar-25-09 01:27 AM |
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Fatalist argument to try to short circuit the conversation. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 01:52 AM |
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let's require all crack smokers to register their pipes and take crack safety classes... |
1 |
Mar-25-09 01:58 AM |
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No but hey let's prosecute crack distribution and sales.. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 02:25 AM |
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I am talking of history, that pesky thing, not the NRA possition |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 01:18 PM |
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What it comes down to is... |
Irreverend IX |
Mar-25-09 01:33 AM |
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I have news for you - your guns aren't really going to matter |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 01:55 AM |
#36 |
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Explain how you would use an A-10 or Abrams tank... |
Irreverend IX |
Mar-25-09 03:26 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-25-09 03:38 AM |
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And you lose... |
Statistical |
Mar-25-09 08:13 AM |
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And that's vastly over blown and antecdotal crap. |
ddeclue |
Mar-25-09 03:40 AM |
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Other then the gun confiscations, ya mean? Nothing racist - old white women were included. |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 08:21 AM |
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I do recomend you start studying |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 01:22 PM |
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Yes, because small arms really haven't made a difference in Iraq. |
Leftist Agitator |
Mar-25-09 09:10 AM |
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Chew on this little piece of data |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 01:21 PM |
#99 |
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n/t |
bridgit |
Mar-25-09 01:38 AM |
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There are too many guns but there is nothing that can be done about it. |
MrSlayer |
Mar-25-09 01:41 AM |
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Nothing like a reality-based discussion to start a fire we can pop corn with. Thanks Nadin.... |
Hekate |
Mar-25-09 02:28 AM |
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There you go |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 01:09 PM |
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Guns have always existed as instruments of violence. |
Baikonour |
Mar-25-09 02:38 AM |
#50 |
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Because 90% of gun offenders in Chicago have criminal histories, I can see the need |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 07:22 AM |
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Real problem is too many people abusing freedom of speech. Take away that inalienable right and all |
jody |
Mar-25-09 07:39 AM |
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The source of violence in America isn't guns--it's INJUSTICE and INEQUALITY. |
Romulox |
Mar-25-09 07:49 AM |
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I always wondered.... |
GTurck |
Mar-25-09 07:51 AM |
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As long as the walls etc. were covered in THEIR blood & not mine or my kids? I think I would be OK. |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 07:57 AM |
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No sane person wants to kill someone. Trust me. |
Statistical |
Mar-25-09 08:20 AM |
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I don't have an alarm, my lighting is okay, but wasn't installed for |
Critters2 |
Mar-25-09 03:04 PM |
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To each his own. |
Statistical |
Mar-25-09 05:18 PM |
#166 |
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So, in your neighborhood, people just wander into other people's homes, |
Critters2 |
Mar-25-09 08:10 PM |
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Well you know everything so I guess we are done. |
Statistical |
Mar-25-09 09:38 PM |
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I agree... |
GTurck |
Mar-26-09 08:55 AM |
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As long as the blood is theirs not mine |
RamboLiberal |
Mar-25-09 10:35 AM |
#93 |
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Neither can they. nt |
Critters2 |
Mar-25-09 03:05 PM |
#118 |
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They might want to pick a new career, then. nt |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 03:20 PM |
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Well they are the ones who chose to break in |
RamboLiberal |
Mar-25-09 05:39 PM |
#168 |
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Leaving the merits of your position aside for the moment, |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 08:06 AM |
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+1 |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Mar-25-09 09:44 AM |
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When you slay myths, at times sarcasm is your friend |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 01:15 PM |
#97 |
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But you're smart enough to know that using language like only polarizes |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 01:32 PM |
#102 |
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Here is the problem, some people are indeed nuts, or rather, have been propagandized |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 02:33 PM |
#107 |
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Yes, there are nuts on both extremes. |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 02:44 PM |
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I actually addressed it in the OP when I said that neither side would have a |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 02:50 PM |
#110 |
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I would argue that some of the most pervasive "myths" associated with gun control discussions |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 03:00 PM |
#115 |
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Actually the NRA has spread, with hollywood, some of the myths |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:22 PM |
#123 |
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Although I don't think it paints the whole picture, I'm not arguing with your historical data |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 03:26 PM |
#124 |
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Ok, I also know that no matter what language is chosen |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:31 PM |
#127 |
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Well, I think you are trying to have it both ways. |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 03:38 PM |
#129 |
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I'm not trying to have it both ways |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:41 PM |
#134 |
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But I'm trying to point out that your use of inflammatory language is *part* of the problem |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 03:50 PM |
#145 |
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I grew up with guns - my father was a soldier and he always owned a gun |
LaurenG |
Mar-25-09 08:23 AM |
#82 |
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The anti-gun NUTS have never been assaulted, mugged, had their home invaded or been raped. |
L0oniX |
Mar-25-09 08:43 AM |
#85 |
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First nobody is teling you that you cannot have a gun |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 01:14 PM |
#96 |
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"Minutemen armed to the teeth" is certainly a myth (or strawman), that is why it is mandated |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 02:54 PM |
#112 |
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Well regulated militia was included there for a reason too |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:28 PM |
#125 |
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No arguing that gun ownership has been steadily increasing. |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 03:35 PM |
#128 |
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Here is an important point, if you believe control is confiscation, you are right to be afraid |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:40 PM |
#130 |
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Have read the history. I never totally equate control with confiscation, though I fear BOTH. |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 03:42 PM |
#135 |
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That is where we part company |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:44 PM |
#138 |
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Key word being "rational". We would have to get VERY specific then. |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 03:50 PM |
#142 |
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why do you think the NRA and the Confiscation fans will not have a |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:55 PM |
#150 |
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Now it makes sense! Though I do like the lobbying power of the NRA. |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 04:01 PM |
#156 |
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Yeah but they have become way too radical, like the other side |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 04:03 PM |
#158 |
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The Consitution MANDATES that we all arm ourselves?! |
Critters2 |
Mar-25-09 03:50 PM |
#143 |
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Members of the Militia of the several states, which back then was an awful lot of the people. |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 03:52 PM |
#147 |
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Hmm, so we won't confiscate, but a "slew of weapons will not be in citizens' hands"??? |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 02:59 PM |
#114 |
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The same thing that happened with the BAR and the Tommy |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:30 PM |
#126 |
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Very familiar with history. Not with "reasoning" that provides phrases like |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 03:40 PM |
#132 |
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If you have an AR-15 and you are grand fathered, |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:44 PM |
#137 |
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Of course you can buy a BAR and orTommy. If you could afford it.. |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 03:49 PM |
#141 |
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You can't ship it through the USPS... UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:54 PM |
#149 |
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Yes yes, we know all this. So basically this 'historical discusion' is about nothing new, except |
jmg257 |
Mar-25-09 03:59 PM |
#154 |
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I know some folks are alergic to history |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 05:08 PM |
#164 |
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Living in California notwithstanding, you can buy a BAR or a Thompson |
slackmaster |
Mar-25-09 03:55 PM |
#151 |
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and a metric shit of background checks |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:56 PM |
#152 |
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It's the same background check I went through to get my Federal Firearms License |
slackmaster |
Mar-25-09 05:52 PM |
#169 |
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nope... I Grew in the City and Have had ALL happen to me |
fascisthunter |
Mar-25-09 02:55 PM |
#113 |
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Guess again. |
Critters2 |
Mar-25-09 03:15 PM |
#119 |
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Is that why the roads are fucked up in my area? |
snooper2 |
Mar-25-09 09:44 AM |
#90 |
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Violent crime rates have generally been trending downward since the early '90s |
slackmaster |
Mar-25-09 09:52 AM |
#92 |
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Abortion has more to do with that than guns do |
TWiley |
Mar-25-09 03:41 PM |
#133 |
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I believe we have a Freakonomics fan among us! |
slackmaster |
Mar-25-09 03:51 PM |
#146 |
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What socio-economic factors do you attribute the decline to? |
TWiley |
Mar-27-09 04:34 AM |
#189 |
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We do appear to have the highest per capita gun ownership in the world... |
LanternWaste |
Mar-25-09 01:53 PM |
#103 |
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You certainly can associate with whomever you choose, |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 02:04 PM |
#104 |
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I also avoid conservatives, fundamentalists and mimes... |
LanternWaste |
Mar-25-09 02:18 PM |
#105 |
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Like I said--feel free to disassociate from whatever groups of people you choose. |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 02:42 PM |
#108 |
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Eye-rolls? Maybe. Maybe misplaced anger too. |
LanternWaste |
Mar-25-09 03:02 PM |
#116 |
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See, now we're getting somewhere. You think that firearm ownership conveys |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 03:16 PM |
#121 |
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I certainly don't think I can determine politics |
LanternWaste |
Mar-26-09 08:33 AM |
#187 |
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yep |
spanone |
Mar-25-09 02:22 PM |
#106 |
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My dear friend Nadin. I fully advocate your right to not own a gun. |
galileoreloaded |
Mar-25-09 03:45 PM |
#139 |
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History has precious little to do with MY owning a gun or two |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 03:48 PM |
#140 |
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Brave post Nadin.....DU's gun lobby can be pretty ferocious. |
marmar |
Mar-25-09 03:52 PM |
#148 |
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To be fair, don't you think that any discussion of limiting a civil liberty, whether warranted |
Raskolnik |
Mar-25-09 04:01 PM |
#157 |
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Lobby's of any kind can be ferocious |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 05:17 PM |
#165 |
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You know what is wrong with your rant in my opinion? |
county worker |
Mar-25-09 03:58 PM |
#153 |
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This is about the HISTORY of ownership and gun control |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 04:04 PM |
#159 |
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Not too many guns |
bigwillq |
Mar-25-09 03:59 PM |
#155 |
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Actually HISTORICALLY we have the highest rate of gun ownership |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 04:05 PM |
#160 |
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I am all for people owning guns |
bigwillq |
Mar-25-09 04:09 PM |
#162 |
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History is your friend |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 05:04 PM |
#163 |
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The difference is, full-auto Thompsons and BAR's were NEVER common in U.S. homes... |
benEzra |
Mar-25-09 09:19 PM |
#180 |
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We should fight criminal gun usage and possession, but not at the expense of others' civil rights. |
aikoaiko |
Mar-25-09 05:29 PM |
#167 |
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At the end of the Civil War |
Thothmes |
Mar-25-09 08:14 PM |
#171 |
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And as was covered way above, the officers of the CSA were the backbone |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 08:28 PM |
#174 |
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I agree about too many guns - I'd like to see all violence banned. |
TBF |
Mar-25-09 08:17 PM |
#172 |
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That's partly laws... CWP were much harder to get at one time |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 08:31 PM |
#175 |
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I never owned a gun, but I support the 2nd Amendment |
Coffee and Cake |
Mar-25-09 08:26 PM |
#173 |
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Read the OP again, and try to understand I am talking about HISTORY |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-25-09 08:33 PM |
#176 |
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I would suggest watching "Bowling for Columbine" |
Canuckistanian |
Mar-25-09 09:37 PM |
#182 |
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So you prefer only BLACKWATER and RICH people's private armies have guns? nt |
conspirator |
Mar-27-09 04:39 AM |
#190 |
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1) Basing your premise on "how it was done once" is incredibly stupid. |
Edweird |
Mar-27-09 04:56 AM |
#191 |
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If Everything Is So Slam-Dunked And Squared Away..... |
Paladin |
Mar-27-09 08:30 AM |
#195 |
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You first. :) |
Edweird |
Mar-27-09 08:48 AM |
#198 |
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Duplicate, Slow-Moving Computer. Sorry.... (n/t) |
Paladin |
Mar-27-09 08:30 AM |
#196 |
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LOL!! |
X_Digger |
Mar-27-09 08:45 AM |
#197 |
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My $.02 |
marano35 |
Mar-27-09 05:15 AM |
#192 |
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The gunfight at the OK Corral was ultimately about gun control |
chemenger |
Mar-27-09 08:16 AM |
#194 |