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  -At the risk of angering some folks..... we have way too many guns in US streets nadinbrzezinski  Mar-25-09 12:20 AM   #0 
  - I agree, Nadin, the violence needs to stop,  Critters2   Mar-25-09 12:23 AM   #1 
  - I'm just going to reach for the popcorn  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 12:24 AM   #2 
  - My wife and I are eating the real thing.....  cliffordu   Mar-25-09 12:28 AM   #3 
  - I would actually like to see a reasoned conversation about this issue between you and Fire Medic Dav  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 12:38 AM   #7 
  - i hate to say it, but I don't believe we can have a reasoned conversation  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 12:41 AM   #9 
  - what is your solution?  1   Mar-25-09 01:16 AM   #23 
  - Me too! nt  JerseygirlCT   Mar-25-09 08:38 PM   #177 
  - Yes, get them off of the streets. Bring them back indoors  Wiley50   Mar-25-09 12:33 AM   #4 
  - That's a whole different issue... aka the civil war some of us expect  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 12:36 AM   #6 
  - I've never needed to use a gun in self-defense or to resist oppression...  NYC_SKP   Mar-25-09 12:34 AM   #5 
  - There you go, and that is why I am not for banning guns  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 12:38 AM   #8 
  - Springfield ...  RoyGBiv   Mar-25-09 12:53 AM   #10 
  - You are right, I typed Henry since I happen to like that damn rifle  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 12:56 AM   #12 
  - I should add this ...  RoyGBiv   Mar-25-09 01:09 AM   #18 
  - P.S.  RoyGBiv   Mar-25-09 01:12 AM   #20 
  - Not quite correct  Thothmes   Mar-25-09 08:56 PM   #178 
     - Interesting ...  RoyGBiv   Mar-25-09 09:42 PM   #184 
        - The versions of the surrender of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia  Thothmes   Mar-26-09 05:45 AM   #185 
           - Oh, that's not in question ...  RoyGBiv   Mar-26-09 08:06 AM   #186 
  - its a price we have to pay now  mgnmd   Mar-25-09 12:55 AM   #11 
  - And what is that?  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 12:58 AM   #13 
  - What's bound to happen?  FLyellowdog   Mar-25-09 01:28 AM   #27 
  - Yes we do, and every time I say something about it, the gun nuts come out screaming as if I'd said..  Sarah Ibarruri   Mar-25-09 12:59 AM   #14 
  - One note, most of the military I know  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 01:02 AM   #15 
  - Well I know 2 cops, and the fact that this country is filled with gun nuts  Sarah Ibarruri   Mar-25-09 01:07 AM   #17 
     - Your continued use of the derogatory term "gun nuts" makes anything you say irrelevant..  Ghost in the Machine   Mar-25-09 03:15 PM   #120 
        - Gun nuts? Well, how about this.....  Sarah Ibarruri   Mar-25-09 09:24 PM   #181 
  - Clearly, you've never been the victim of a violent crime  silverojo   Mar-25-09 01:37 AM   #30 
  - The reason people are confronted by armed criminals is because  Sarah Ibarruri   Mar-25-09 08:40 AM   #84 
  - Assumptions will get you far son  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 01:06 PM   #94 
  - I've been mugged, and the mugge'rs companion was holding a gun.  Critters2   Mar-25-09 03:40 PM   #131 
  - Don't say gun nuts OK?  county worker   Mar-25-09 04:07 PM   #161 
  - The ASW ban was useless  Hippo_Tron   Mar-25-09 01:07 AM   #16 
  - The problem isn't as much the type of gun as it is the type of gun owner.  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 01:09 AM   #19 
     - so what is your solution?  1   Mar-25-09 01:15 AM   #22 
     - See my previous post #7... I give details of my version there.  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 01:17 AM   #24 
        - i see that. but post #7 only addresses law abiding folk. what is your solution to the real problem  1   Mar-25-09 01:36 AM   #29 
           - False premise... the "bad guys" don't do most of the killing with guns..  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 01:45 AM   #34 
           - again with the childlike thoughts...  1   Mar-25-09 02:14 AM   #41 
           - Sorry but your reply is simply a non-sequitir and debunks nothing  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 02:19 AM   #44 
           - "If you had to have liability insurance for your gun"  Leftist Agitator   Mar-25-09 08:56 AM   #87 
           - Fact: 90% of gun offenders in Chicago have criminal histories. Are you saying they aren't "bad guys"  jmg257   Mar-27-09 07:17 AM   #193 
           - End prohibition. nt  kristopher   Mar-25-09 03:55 AM   #63 
              - End prohibition of illegal drugs? machine guns? we've already ended prohibition of alchohol..  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 04:06 AM   #64 
                 - The discussion has centered on an assault weapons ban  kristopher   Mar-25-09 05:48 AM   #70 
                 - employers should be allowed to discriminate against marijuana users just as they do tobacco users.  Leftist Agitator   Mar-25-09 09:00 AM   #88 
     - The cops generally aren't outgunned anymore  Hippo_Tron   Mar-25-09 01:19 AM   #25 
     - Require liability insurance to own a gun is a good start..  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 01:38 AM   #32 
     - exactly how do you get the bad guys, with their illegal guns, to sign up for liability insurance?  1   Mar-25-09 01:55 AM   #37 
     - Where do you think the illegal guns come from in the first place?  Hippo_Tron   Mar-25-09 02:10 AM   #40 
     - Nope.. they are either sold into the blackmarket in private gun sales or they are stolen.  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 02:20 AM   #45 
        - Yes they are, but you aren't the one I was asking...  Hippo_Tron   Mar-25-09 02:39 AM   #52 
           - Sorry.. my mistake...  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 02:40 AM   #53 
     - You are WRONG about the "real" problem..  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 02:17 AM   #43 
        - and i reject your pollyanna approach to the subject...  1   Mar-25-09 02:54 AM   #54 
           - Ridiculous, condescending and wrong.  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 03:33 AM   #58 
              - you are right...  1   Mar-25-09 04:38 AM   #65 
              - Sorry but you're wrong...  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 04:50 AM   #66 
                 - is english your first language? can you read?  1   Mar-25-09 05:11 AM   #67 
                    - You apparently have no clue what you are talking about  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 05:17 AM   #68 
                       - nice side-step. so you concede that your entire "citizens militia" argument is bullshit, right?  1   Mar-25-09 05:24 AM   #69 
              - people who have lived in urban areas get it more so than those who don't  fascisthunter   Mar-25-09 02:54 PM   #111 
                 - Are cities more dangerous places than they were 20 or 40 years ago?  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 03:42 PM   #136 
     - True, but so can handguns, which are much easier to conceal  Hippo_Tron   Mar-25-09 02:07 AM   #39 
     - Actually no the restrictions on car and plane ownership are much more severe than that.  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 02:31 AM   #49 
     - Those regulation only apply if you plan on driving it on public roads  Hippo_Tron   Mar-25-09 02:54 AM   #55 
        - Code enforcement can come and take your car out of the driveway and have it crushed here in FL  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 03:46 AM   #62 
     - P.S.:I'm not arguing "banning the AR15"...  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 02:39 AM   #51 
     - Insurance companies are grifting scum.  Irreverend IX   Mar-25-09 07:03 AM   #72 
     - SOME departments now issue AR-15  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 01:25 PM   #101 
     - Teflon bullets? Not that shit again.  Squatch   Mar-25-09 02:14 AM   #42 
     - They very much do increase penetration.  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 02:22 AM   #46 
        - do you own a gun? engineer?  1   Mar-25-09 02:56 AM   #56 
        - Are you an engineer or merely a gun owner?  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 03:36 AM   #59 
           - I'm on my second barrel on my AR15.  Ikonoklast   Mar-25-09 03:50 PM   #144 
        - Too funny.  Squatch   Mar-25-09 05:53 AM   #71 
        - The banned "teflon coated bullets" were made of fairly hard STEEL  benEzra   Mar-25-09 09:13 PM   #179 
     - Teflon bullets are an urban legend.  Statistical   Mar-25-09 08:36 AM   #83 
     - "That said though there's no need for teflon bullets"  Leftist Agitator   Mar-25-09 08:50 AM   #86 
  - yeah, yeah, yeah... too many guns. what is your solution?  1   Mar-25-09 01:12 AM   #21 
  - And anti-gun laws will REALLY keep guns out of criminals' hands  silverojo   Mar-25-09 01:27 AM   #26 
  - Fatalist argument to try to short circuit the conversation.  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 01:52 AM   #35 
  - let's require all crack smokers to register their pipes and take crack safety classes...  1   Mar-25-09 01:58 AM   #38 
     - No but hey let's prosecute crack distribution and sales..  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 02:25 AM   #47 
  - I am talking of history, that pesky thing, not the NRA possition  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 01:18 PM   #98 
  - What it comes down to is...  Irreverend IX   Mar-25-09 01:33 AM   #28 
  - I have news for you - your guns aren't really going to matter  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 01:55 AM   #36 
  - Explain how you would use an A-10 or Abrams tank...  Irreverend IX   Mar-25-09 03:26 AM   #57 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-25-09 03:38 AM   #60 
  - And you lose...  Statistical   Mar-25-09 08:13 AM   #79 
  - And that's vastly over blown and antecdotal crap.  ddeclue   Mar-25-09 03:40 AM   #61 
  - Other then the gun confiscations, ya mean? Nothing racist - old white women were included.  jmg257   Mar-25-09 08:21 AM   #81 
  - I do recomend you start studying  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 01:22 PM   #100 
  - Yes, because small arms really haven't made a difference in Iraq.  Leftist Agitator   Mar-25-09 09:10 AM   #89 
  - Chew on this little piece of data  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 01:21 PM   #99 
  - n/t  bridgit   Mar-25-09 01:38 AM   #31 
  - There are too many guns but there is nothing that can be done about it.  MrSlayer   Mar-25-09 01:41 AM   #33 
  - Nothing like a reality-based discussion to start a fire we can pop corn with. Thanks Nadin....  Hekate   Mar-25-09 02:28 AM   #48 
  - There you go  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 01:09 PM   #95 
  - Guns have always existed as instruments of violence.  Baikonour   Mar-25-09 02:38 AM   #50 
  - Because 90% of gun offenders in Chicago have criminal histories, I can see the need  jmg257   Mar-25-09 07:22 AM   #73 
  - Real problem is too many people abusing freedom of speech. Take away that inalienable right and all  jody   Mar-25-09 07:39 AM   #74 
  - The source of violence in America isn't guns--it's INJUSTICE and INEQUALITY.  Romulox   Mar-25-09 07:49 AM   #75 
  - I always wondered....  GTurck   Mar-25-09 07:51 AM   #76 
  - As long as the walls etc. were covered in THEIR blood & not mine or my kids? I think I would be OK.  jmg257   Mar-25-09 07:57 AM   #77 
  - No sane person wants to kill someone. Trust me.  Statistical   Mar-25-09 08:20 AM   #80 
  - I don't have an alarm, my lighting is okay, but wasn't installed for  Critters2   Mar-25-09 03:04 PM   #117 
     - To each his own.  Statistical   Mar-25-09 05:18 PM   #166 
     - So, in your neighborhood, people just wander into other people's homes,  Critters2   Mar-25-09 08:10 PM   #170 
        - Well you know everything so I guess we are done.  Statistical   Mar-25-09 09:38 PM   #183 
     - I agree...  GTurck   Mar-26-09 08:55 AM   #188 
  - As long as the blood is theirs not mine  RamboLiberal   Mar-25-09 10:35 AM   #93 
     - Neither can they. nt  Critters2   Mar-25-09 03:05 PM   #118 
        - They might want to pick a new career, then. nt  jmg257   Mar-25-09 03:20 PM   #122 
        - Well they are the ones who chose to break in  RamboLiberal   Mar-25-09 05:39 PM   #168 
  - Leaving the merits of your position aside for the moment,  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 08:06 AM   #78 
  - +1  Tuesday Afternoon   Mar-25-09 09:44 AM   #91 
  - When you slay myths, at times sarcasm is your friend  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 01:15 PM   #97 
     - But you're smart enough to know that using language like only polarizes  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 01:32 PM   #102 
        - Here is the problem, some people are indeed nuts, or rather, have been propagandized  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 02:33 PM   #107 
           - Yes, there are nuts on both extremes.  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 02:44 PM   #109 
              - I actually addressed it in the OP when I said that neither side would have a  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 02:50 PM   #110 
                 - I would argue that some of the most pervasive "myths" associated with gun control discussions  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 03:00 PM   #115 
                    - Actually the NRA has spread, with hollywood, some of the myths  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:22 PM   #123 
                       - Although I don't think it paints the whole picture, I'm not arguing with your historical data  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 03:26 PM   #124 
                          - Ok, I also know that no matter what language is chosen  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:31 PM   #127 
                             - Well, I think you are trying to have it both ways.  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 03:38 PM   #129 
                                - I'm not trying to have it both ways  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:41 PM   #134 
                                   - But I'm trying to point out that your use of inflammatory language is *part* of the problem  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 03:50 PM   #145 
  - I grew up with guns - my father was a soldier and he always owned a gun  LaurenG   Mar-25-09 08:23 AM   #82 
  - The anti-gun NUTS have never been assaulted, mugged, had their home invaded or been raped.  L0oniX   Mar-25-09 08:43 AM   #85 
  - First nobody is teling you that you cannot have a gun  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 01:14 PM   #96 
  - "Minutemen armed to the teeth" is certainly a myth (or strawman), that is why it is mandated  jmg257   Mar-25-09 02:54 PM   #112 
  - Well regulated militia was included there for a reason too  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:28 PM   #125 
  - No arguing that gun ownership has been steadily increasing.  jmg257   Mar-25-09 03:35 PM   #128 
     - Here is an important point, if you believe control is confiscation, you are right to be afraid  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:40 PM   #130 
        - Have read the history. I never totally equate control with confiscation, though I fear BOTH.  jmg257   Mar-25-09 03:42 PM   #135 
           - That is where we part company  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:44 PM   #138 
              - Key word being "rational". We would have to get VERY specific then.  jmg257   Mar-25-09 03:50 PM   #142 
                 - why do you think the NRA and the Confiscation fans will not have a  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:55 PM   #150 
                    - Now it makes sense! Though I do like the lobbying power of the NRA.  jmg257   Mar-25-09 04:01 PM   #156 
                       - Yeah but they have become way too radical, like the other side  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 04:03 PM   #158 
  - The Consitution MANDATES that we all arm ourselves?!  Critters2   Mar-25-09 03:50 PM   #143 
     - Members of the Militia of the several states, which back then was an awful lot of the people.  jmg257   Mar-25-09 03:52 PM   #147 
  - Hmm, so we won't confiscate, but a "slew of weapons will not be in citizens' hands"???  jmg257   Mar-25-09 02:59 PM   #114 
     - The same thing that happened with the BAR and the Tommy  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:30 PM   #126 
        - Very familiar with history. Not with "reasoning" that provides phrases like  jmg257   Mar-25-09 03:40 PM   #132 
           - If you have an AR-15 and you are grand fathered,  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:44 PM   #137 
              - Of course you can buy a BAR and orTommy. If you could afford it..  jmg257   Mar-25-09 03:49 PM   #141 
              - You can't ship it through the USPS... UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:54 PM   #149 
                 - Yes yes, we know all this. So basically this 'historical discusion' is about nothing new, except  jmg257   Mar-25-09 03:59 PM   #154 
                    - I know some folks are alergic to history  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 05:08 PM   #164 
              - Living in California notwithstanding, you can buy a BAR or a Thompson  slackmaster   Mar-25-09 03:55 PM   #151 
                 - and a metric shit of background checks  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:56 PM   #152 
                    - It's the same background check I went through to get my Federal Firearms License  slackmaster   Mar-25-09 05:52 PM   #169 
  - nope... I Grew in the City and Have had ALL happen to me  fascisthunter   Mar-25-09 02:55 PM   #113 
  - Guess again.  Critters2   Mar-25-09 03:15 PM   #119 
  - Is that why the roads are fucked up in my area?  snooper2   Mar-25-09 09:44 AM   #90 
  - Violent crime rates have generally been trending downward since the early '90s  slackmaster   Mar-25-09 09:52 AM   #92 
  - Abortion has more to do with that than guns do  TWiley   Mar-25-09 03:41 PM   #133 
     - Ladies and Gentlemen, I believe we have a Freakonomics fan among us!  slackmaster   Mar-25-09 03:51 PM   #146 
        - What socio-economic factors do you attribute the decline to?  TWiley   Mar-27-09 04:34 AM   #189 
  - We do appear to have the highest per capita gun ownership in the world...  LanternWaste   Mar-25-09 01:53 PM   #103 
  - You certainly can associate with whomever you choose,  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 02:04 PM   #104 
     - I also avoid conservatives, fundamentalists and mimes...  LanternWaste   Mar-25-09 02:18 PM   #105 
        - Like I said--feel free to disassociate from whatever groups of people you choose.  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 02:42 PM   #108 
           - Eye-rolls? Maybe. Maybe misplaced anger too.  LanternWaste   Mar-25-09 03:02 PM   #116 
              - See, now we're getting somewhere. You think that firearm ownership conveys  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 03:16 PM   #121 
                 - I certainly don't think I can determine politics  LanternWaste   Mar-26-09 08:33 AM   #187 
  - yep  spanone   Mar-25-09 02:22 PM   #106 
  - My dear friend Nadin. I fully advocate your right to not own a gun.  galileoreloaded   Mar-25-09 03:45 PM   #139 
  - History has precious little to do with MY owning a gun or two  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 03:48 PM   #140 
  - Brave post Nadin.....DU's gun lobby can be pretty ferocious.  marmar   Mar-25-09 03:52 PM   #148 
  - To be fair, don't you think that any discussion of limiting a civil liberty, whether warranted  Raskolnik   Mar-25-09 04:01 PM   #157 
  - Lobby's of any kind can be ferocious  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 05:17 PM   #165 
  - You know what is wrong with your rant in my opinion?  county worker   Mar-25-09 03:58 PM   #153 
  - This is about the HISTORY of ownership and gun control  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 04:04 PM   #159 
  - Not too many guns  bigwillq   Mar-25-09 03:59 PM   #155 
  - Actually HISTORICALLY we have the highest rate of gun ownership  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 04:05 PM   #160 
     - I am all for people owning guns  bigwillq   Mar-25-09 04:09 PM   #162 
        - History is your friend  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 05:04 PM   #163 
           - The difference is, full-auto Thompsons and BAR's were NEVER common in U.S. homes...  benEzra   Mar-25-09 09:19 PM   #180 
  - We should fight criminal gun usage and possession, but not at the expense of others' civil rights.  aikoaiko   Mar-25-09 05:29 PM   #167 
  - At the end of the Civil War  Thothmes   Mar-25-09 08:14 PM   #171 
  - And as was covered way above, the officers of the CSA were the backbone  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 08:28 PM   #174 
  - I agree about too many guns - I'd like to see all violence banned.  TBF   Mar-25-09 08:17 PM   #172 
  - That's partly laws... CWP were much harder to get at one time  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 08:31 PM   #175 
  - I never owned a gun, but I support the 2nd Amendment  Coffee and Cake   Mar-25-09 08:26 PM   #173 
  - Read the OP again, and try to understand I am talking about HISTORY  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-25-09 08:33 PM   #176 
  - I would suggest watching "Bowling for Columbine"  Canuckistanian   Mar-25-09 09:37 PM   #182 
  - So you prefer only BLACKWATER and RICH people's private armies have guns? nt  conspirator   Mar-27-09 04:39 AM   #190 
  - 1) Basing your premise on "how it was done once" is incredibly stupid.  Edweird   Mar-27-09 04:56 AM   #191 
  - If Everything Is So Slam-Dunked And Squared Away.....  Paladin   Mar-27-09 08:30 AM   #195 
  - You first. :)  Edweird   Mar-27-09 08:48 AM   #198 
  - Duplicate, Slow-Moving Computer. Sorry.... (n/t)  Paladin   Mar-27-09 08:30 AM   #196 
  - LOL!!  X_Digger   Mar-27-09 08:45 AM   #197 
  - My $.02  marano35   Mar-27-09 05:15 AM   #192 
  - The gunfight at the OK Corral was ultimately about gun control  chemenger   Mar-27-09 08:16 AM   #194 
 

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