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espiral Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 07:05 PM
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36. typical libertarian strawman...
...a related one being that those who cannot get by on "private charity" during a time of need, must necessarily lack "personal responsibility", &c.

Their clichés are so predictable, they could make a drinking game.
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  -Do liberals "hate" private charity? bluestateguy  Mar-24-09 06:04 PM   #0 
  - of course not.  ulysses   Mar-24-09 06:06 PM   #1 
  - It's not true either which way.  aquart   Mar-24-09 06:07 PM   #2 
  - I believe a lot of the charities the RW gives to we woul call fundie churches  rurallib   Mar-24-09 06:08 PM   #3 
  - Church counts as charity  sandnsea   Mar-24-09 06:08 PM   #4 
  - i tithe %10 to the collection plate, and another %10 to my father  vadawg   Mar-24-09 06:26 PM   #17 
  - Same here n/t  FLDCVADem   Mar-24-09 06:31 PM   #20 
  - I give to the neighbor  sandnsea   Mar-24-09 08:18 PM   #52 
     - never said you were not charitable, i believe i was stating that i believe giving to your church is  vadawg   Mar-24-09 08:20 PM   #54 
        - I don't think writing a check like a bill  sandnsea   Mar-24-09 08:22 PM   #57 
           - Think of it as a committment, every pay day i send a portion of my funds to my church, i go without  vadawg   Mar-24-09 08:59 PM   #62 
  - My church provides me with a discretionary fund, that I use to feed  Critters2   Mar-24-09 06:52 PM   #30 
     - It sounds like your church does alot. Are you non-denom?  Ilsa   Mar-24-09 07:37 PM   #47 
     - I'm United Church of Christ. nt  Critters2   Mar-24-09 07:42 PM   #49 
        - Thanks for mention. Are each UCC churches pretty independent  Ilsa   Mar-24-09 08:22 PM   #55 
           - No. We're in covenant with one another, and members of judicatories.  Critters2   Mar-24-09 10:17 PM   #65 
     - Oh brother. You're just like "every" church  sandnsea   Mar-24-09 08:15 PM   #51 
     - No, I don't know that. I hear it from people who have no connection to  Critters2   Mar-24-09 10:15 PM   #64 
     - The clergy in our town pool their resources for such a thing  JerseygirlCT   Mar-24-09 08:28 PM   #59 
  - Not at all, but it can't be relied upon when determining public policy.  baldguy   Mar-24-09 06:08 PM   #5 
  - exactly so.  ulysses   Mar-24-09 06:09 PM   #7 
  - I'm liberal and donate generously to my pet charities  etherealtruth   Mar-24-09 06:09 PM   #6 
  - Plus  wryter2000   Mar-24-09 06:10 PM   #8 
  - Could they have been speaking about Al Gore 10 years ago?  Zywiec   Mar-24-09 06:10 PM   #9 
  - First of all, I guarantee that most of conservatives 'charitable' giving is to their church  Hello_Kitty   Mar-24-09 06:11 PM   #10 
  - I hate it when churches pretend that their "charity" efforts are the priority  Lyric   Mar-24-09 06:12 PM   #11 
  - This generalization  FLDCVADem   Mar-24-09 06:14 PM   #13 
  - nor mine. Clients of our Outreach Programs are given food, clothing, legal aid  yellowdogintexas   Mar-24-09 06:36 PM   #22 
  - If it isn't true of your church, then obviously your church isn't what I was talking about.  Lyric   Mar-24-09 07:14 PM   #39 
  - Why would any church literature be in a food box?  FLDCVADem   Mar-24-09 08:18 PM   #53 
     - They require it.  Lyric   Mar-24-09 08:22 PM   #56 
  - Nor is it true of mine. My parish operates the largest  quiller4   Mar-24-09 10:35 PM   #66 
  - See # 30 above. nt  Critters2   Mar-24-09 06:54 PM   #32 
  - See this post for response.  Lyric   Mar-24-09 07:14 PM   #40 
     - Okay, Thanks! nt  Critters2   Mar-24-09 07:42 PM   #48 
  - That's a big generalization  JerseygirlCT   Mar-24-09 08:30 PM   #60 
  - I don't like giving to charities that  LuvNewcastle   Mar-24-09 06:13 PM   #12 
  - That's RIDICULOUS  Raine   Mar-24-09 06:14 PM   #14 
  - I don't think that is where many of us are  karynnj   Mar-24-09 06:22 PM   #15 
  - I don't hate it, but I do perceive these problems  daleo   Mar-24-09 06:23 PM   #16 
  - Private charities are great for funding the arts, but inadequate for health and human services.  DailyGrind51   Mar-24-09 06:27 PM   #18 
  - There was a book published a few years ago  ThoughtCriminal   Mar-24-09 06:30 PM   #19 
  - Sure, why the hell not?  ColbertWatcher   Mar-24-09 06:34 PM   #21 
  - Exac-alack-ly.  Lilith Velkor   Mar-25-09 10:56 AM   #73 
  - No we're just not dumb enough to confuse the level of spending  ddeclue   Mar-24-09 06:36 PM   #23 
  - Let us assume, for a moment,  drmeow   Mar-24-09 06:43 PM   #24 
  - Somewhat  Oregone   Mar-24-09 06:45 PM   #25 
  - Rich people's charitable foundations exist to shield income from taxation too.  Hannah Bell   Mar-24-09 07:19 PM   #43 
  - hell no, the times in my life ive needed help ive wanted the church or some other charitable  vadawg   Mar-24-09 07:30 PM   #46 
     - So...  Oregone   Mar-24-09 07:46 PM   #50 
  - I hate being reminded of how fucking ignorant people are about the basic definitions of simple words  B o d i   Mar-24-09 06:45 PM   #26 
  - "Do liberals "hate" private charity?" hate is to strong of a word...  and-justice-for-all   Mar-24-09 06:46 PM   #27 
  - Of course not.  Laelth   Mar-24-09 06:48 PM   #28 
  - No, but private charity is a tax deduction which the right wing uses to....  Sarah Ibarruri   Mar-24-09 06:49 PM   #29 
  - i'd be interested in the name if it's not too much trouble.  Hannah Bell   Mar-25-09 05:05 AM   #68 
     - I believe this is it - I lost it and then couldn't find it! LOL!  Sarah Ibarruri   Mar-25-09 09:18 AM   #71 
        - thanks!  Hannah Bell   Mar-25-09 09:55 AM   #72 
  - horseshit.. The problem with private charity is that it can disappear  annabanana   Mar-24-09 06:53 PM   #31 
  - I agree with your feeling.  BreweryYardRat   Mar-24-09 06:57 PM   #33 
  - There is charity...and then there is..  stillcool   Mar-24-09 06:59 PM   #34 
  - Are they adjusting for income when they make this accusation?  TBF   Mar-24-09 07:03 PM   #35 
  - typical libertarian strawman...  espiral   Mar-24-09 07:05 PM   #36 
  - I'm a liberal and I don't.  WI_DEM   Mar-24-09 07:05 PM   #37 
  - Do they count neocon donations to anti-choice, pro war organizations as "charity"?  AndrewP   Mar-24-09 07:09 PM   #38 
  - That's only because conservatives count tithing to wingnut churches  Warpy   Mar-24-09 07:15 PM   #41 
  - I don't "hate" private charities, but I sure am skeptical of a lot of them.  Contrary1   Mar-24-09 07:18 PM   #42 
  - oh, god, don't get me started on the "trinkets". not a single non-profit i've ever been  Hannah Bell   Mar-24-09 07:23 PM   #44 
  - Well, they ought to be fairly transparent  JerseygirlCT   Mar-24-09 08:36 PM   #61 
  - Don't forget that MANY liberals are poor, and thus have little to give.  kestrel91316   Mar-24-09 07:24 PM   #45 
  - Statistics, IIRC  JerseygirlCT   Mar-24-09 08:25 PM   #58 
  - I hate private charities in which most of the money collected goes to the fund raisers  csziggy   Mar-24-09 10:14 PM   #63 
  - Check out Check out Charity Navigator or Guidestar ratings  quiller4   Mar-25-09 12:13 AM   #67 
     - The local United Way will never get a penny from me  csziggy   Mar-25-09 09:07 AM   #69 
  - Next Talking Point  tinkerbell41   Mar-25-09 09:14 AM   #70 
 

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