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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 06:23 PM
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16. I don't hate it, but I do perceive these problems
1 - Inefficiency. Much of the charity effort has to be plowed back into fund-raising activities.
2 - Profit taking. Related to above, private profit making companies often take 50% or more of the money.
3 - Decisions based on persuasiveness rather than need. It is easy to be persuaded to give to some charities (high cuteness factor), difficult to be persuaded to give to others (low cuteness factor), though the true needs may be exactly opposite.
4 - Unavoidable ignorance. The public is not the best judge of of the most effective use of medical research dollars, but it makes those judgments by default via charity.

Plus, charities are open to the problem of freeloading - people who never give share the social benefits of charity with those who give generously.

Real needs are better addressed through the tax system, which is fairer, more efficient, and has better access to evidence based assessment of need.

All that being said, there is always some room for charity in my books.
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  -Do liberals "hate" private charity? bluestateguy  Mar-24-09 06:04 PM   #0 
  - of course not.  ulysses   Mar-24-09 06:06 PM   #1 
  - It's not true either which way.  aquart   Mar-24-09 06:07 PM   #2 
  - I believe a lot of the charities the RW gives to we woul call fundie churches  rurallib   Mar-24-09 06:08 PM   #3 
  - Church counts as charity  sandnsea   Mar-24-09 06:08 PM   #4 
  - i tithe %10 to the collection plate, and another %10 to my father  vadawg   Mar-24-09 06:26 PM   #17 
  - Same here n/t  FLDCVADem   Mar-24-09 06:31 PM   #20 
  - I give to the neighbor  sandnsea   Mar-24-09 08:18 PM   #52 
     - never said you were not charitable, i believe i was stating that i believe giving to your church is  vadawg   Mar-24-09 08:20 PM   #54 
        - I don't think writing a check like a bill  sandnsea   Mar-24-09 08:22 PM   #57 
           - Think of it as a committment, every pay day i send a portion of my funds to my church, i go without  vadawg   Mar-24-09 08:59 PM   #62 
  - My church provides me with a discretionary fund, that I use to feed  Critters2   Mar-24-09 06:52 PM   #30 
     - It sounds like your church does alot. Are you non-denom?  Ilsa   Mar-24-09 07:37 PM   #47 
     - I'm United Church of Christ. nt  Critters2   Mar-24-09 07:42 PM   #49 
        - Thanks for mention. Are each UCC churches pretty independent  Ilsa   Mar-24-09 08:22 PM   #55 
           - No. We're in covenant with one another, and members of judicatories.  Critters2   Mar-24-09 10:17 PM   #65 
     - Oh brother. You're just like "every" church  sandnsea   Mar-24-09 08:15 PM   #51 
     - No, I don't know that. I hear it from people who have no connection to  Critters2   Mar-24-09 10:15 PM   #64 
     - The clergy in our town pool their resources for such a thing  JerseygirlCT   Mar-24-09 08:28 PM   #59 
  - Not at all, but it can't be relied upon when determining public policy.  baldguy   Mar-24-09 06:08 PM   #5 
  - exactly so.  ulysses   Mar-24-09 06:09 PM   #7 
  - I'm liberal and donate generously to my pet charities  etherealtruth   Mar-24-09 06:09 PM   #6 
  - Plus  wryter2000   Mar-24-09 06:10 PM   #8 
  - Could they have been speaking about Al Gore 10 years ago?  Zywiec   Mar-24-09 06:10 PM   #9 
  - First of all, I guarantee that most of conservatives 'charitable' giving is to their church  Hello_Kitty   Mar-24-09 06:11 PM   #10 
  - I hate it when churches pretend that their "charity" efforts are the priority  Lyric   Mar-24-09 06:12 PM   #11 
  - This generalization  FLDCVADem   Mar-24-09 06:14 PM   #13 
  - nor mine. Clients of our Outreach Programs are given food, clothing, legal aid  yellowdogintexas   Mar-24-09 06:36 PM   #22 
  - If it isn't true of your church, then obviously your church isn't what I was talking about.  Lyric   Mar-24-09 07:14 PM   #39 
  - Why would any church literature be in a food box?  FLDCVADem   Mar-24-09 08:18 PM   #53 
     - They require it.  Lyric   Mar-24-09 08:22 PM   #56 
  - Nor is it true of mine. My parish operates the largest  quiller4   Mar-24-09 10:35 PM   #66 
  - See # 30 above. nt  Critters2   Mar-24-09 06:54 PM   #32 
  - See this post for response.  Lyric   Mar-24-09 07:14 PM   #40 
     - Okay, Thanks! nt  Critters2   Mar-24-09 07:42 PM   #48 
  - That's a big generalization  JerseygirlCT   Mar-24-09 08:30 PM   #60 
  - I don't like giving to charities that  LuvNewcastle   Mar-24-09 06:13 PM   #12 
  - That's RIDICULOUS  Raine   Mar-24-09 06:14 PM   #14 
  - I don't think that is where many of us are  karynnj   Mar-24-09 06:22 PM   #15 
  - I don't hate it, but I do perceive these problems  daleo   Mar-24-09 06:23 PM   #16 
  - Private charities are great for funding the arts, but inadequate for health and human services.  DailyGrind51   Mar-24-09 06:27 PM   #18 
  - There was a book published a few years ago  ThoughtCriminal   Mar-24-09 06:30 PM   #19 
  - Sure, why the hell not?  ColbertWatcher   Mar-24-09 06:34 PM   #21 
  - Exac-alack-ly.  Lilith Velkor   Mar-25-09 10:56 AM   #73 
  - No we're just not dumb enough to confuse the level of spending  ddeclue   Mar-24-09 06:36 PM   #23 
  - Let us assume, for a moment,  drmeow   Mar-24-09 06:43 PM   #24 
  - Somewhat  Oregone   Mar-24-09 06:45 PM   #25 
  - Rich people's charitable foundations exist to shield income from taxation too.  Hannah Bell   Mar-24-09 07:19 PM   #43 
  - hell no, the times in my life ive needed help ive wanted the church or some other charitable  vadawg   Mar-24-09 07:30 PM   #46 
     - So...  Oregone   Mar-24-09 07:46 PM   #50 
  - I hate being reminded of how fucking ignorant people are about the basic definitions of simple words  B o d i   Mar-24-09 06:45 PM   #26 
  - "Do liberals "hate" private charity?" hate is to strong of a word...  and-justice-for-all   Mar-24-09 06:46 PM   #27 
  - Of course not.  Laelth   Mar-24-09 06:48 PM   #28 
  - No, but private charity is a tax deduction which the right wing uses to....  Sarah Ibarruri   Mar-24-09 06:49 PM   #29 
  - i'd be interested in the name if it's not too much trouble.  Hannah Bell   Mar-25-09 05:05 AM   #68 
     - I believe this is it - I lost it and then couldn't find it! LOL!  Sarah Ibarruri   Mar-25-09 09:18 AM   #71 
        - thanks!  Hannah Bell   Mar-25-09 09:55 AM   #72 
  - horseshit.. The problem with private charity is that it can disappear  annabanana   Mar-24-09 06:53 PM   #31 
  - I agree with your feeling.  BreweryYardRat   Mar-24-09 06:57 PM   #33 
  - There is charity...and then there is..  stillcool   Mar-24-09 06:59 PM   #34 
  - Are they adjusting for income when they make this accusation?  TBF   Mar-24-09 07:03 PM   #35 
  - typical libertarian strawman...  espiral   Mar-24-09 07:05 PM   #36 
  - I'm a liberal and I don't.  WI_DEM   Mar-24-09 07:05 PM   #37 
  - Do they count neocon donations to anti-choice, pro war organizations as "charity"?  AndrewP   Mar-24-09 07:09 PM   #38 
  - That's only because conservatives count tithing to wingnut churches  Warpy   Mar-24-09 07:15 PM   #41 
  - I don't "hate" private charities, but I sure am skeptical of a lot of them.  Contrary1   Mar-24-09 07:18 PM   #42 
  - oh, god, don't get me started on the "trinkets". not a single non-profit i've ever been  Hannah Bell   Mar-24-09 07:23 PM   #44 
  - Well, they ought to be fairly transparent  JerseygirlCT   Mar-24-09 08:36 PM   #61 
  - Don't forget that MANY liberals are poor, and thus have little to give.  kestrel91316   Mar-24-09 07:24 PM   #45 
  - Statistics, IIRC  JerseygirlCT   Mar-24-09 08:25 PM   #58 
  - I hate private charities in which most of the money collected goes to the fund raisers  csziggy   Mar-24-09 10:14 PM   #63 
  - Check out Check out Charity Navigator or Guidestar ratings  quiller4   Mar-25-09 12:13 AM   #67 
     - The local United Way will never get a penny from me  csziggy   Mar-25-09 09:07 AM   #69 
  - Next Talking Point  tinkerbell41   Mar-25-09 09:14 AM   #70 

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