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57. Allen W. Dulles speech Harvard Dec. 1963
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A couple notes of interest:

1) Allen Dulles alludes to how useful a propaganda tool the 'mass media' is.
2) At the 25 minute mark -- Dulles laments Pearl Harbor conspiracy theories -- while conceding mistakes were made.
3) Finally, Allen Dulles conveniently uses this occasion, less than a month after the JFK Assassination, to continue scapegoating Kennedy for the failure of The Bay of Pigs.
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  - Here is a hard to find video set from The History Channel. IBTL or IBTMTTD  sce56   Mar-24-09 09:17 PM   #110 
  - All of which proves absolutely nothing  Hippo_Tron   Mar-24-09 11:01 PM   #114 
  - bwahaha.  bottomtheweaver   Mar-24-09 11:50 PM   #115 
  - Didn't say that they were wonderful presidents  Hippo_Tron   Mar-25-09 12:07 AM   #117 
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        - ROFL, Nixon was an enemy of the CIA/military industrial complex?  Hippo_Tron   Mar-25-09 12:42 AM   #119 
           - It doesn't take much.  bottomtheweaver   Mar-25-09 12:57 AM   #120 
  - You're right -- None of this proves how JFK was assassinated or who assassinated him  Time for change   Mar-25-09 09:01 AM   #122 
  - What will it take for this system to be replaced with one that is sane?  loudsue   Mar-25-09 02:31 AM   #121 
     - Great question  Time for change   Mar-25-09 09:03 AM   #123 
 

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