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26. PC-ness becomes a problem when it goes beyond language
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 11:55 AM by starroute
The PC controversy may have started with attempts to remove ethnic slurs from public use and then proceeded to jokes about replacing "short" with "vertically challenged," but at least on college campuses it rapidly escalated to the thought police level.

When my older son was in college 10 years ago, he was constantly having run-ins with the extreme PC crowd, not over language but over general attitude, mainly with regard to what could loosely be considered gender issues.

For example, he was involved with an alternative campus publication whose policy was to publish anything that any student wanted to submit -- which stirred up recurring controversies in itself. But the episode that really got him riled was when the publication put up posters showing a dominatrix-type figure with a whip saying "You will submit to the (name of publication)" and somebody who considered this sexist went around campus ripping them all down.

At another point, there had been an attempted rape at a different college in the area, and frightened students at his campus hastily pushed through a number of provisions in response, such as requiring dormitory doors to be kept locked at all times -- which meant a student couldn't visit a friend in another dorm without phoning ahead to have someone meet them at the front door and let them in.

When my son stood up at a student meeting to say there was no sign of any need for these regulations, no indication they would prevent a rape attempt like the one at the other college (which had been in a secluded outdoor area, not a dorm), and significant impediments to ordinary campus social life if they were enacted, he was met by a barrage of counter-arguments which essentially amounted to "You have no sensitivity to my feelings."

My younger son graduated from college 5 years ago, and he ran into the same attitudes -- though he avoided direct run-ins, being less confrontational by nature.

The one thing that does seem to have changed in the last 10 years is that you now get these arguments not just from the left, over racial or gender issues, but also from the right over conservative cultural issues. Even here at DU, it's not possible to say "religion is a myth" without somebody telling you that you're insulting believers, or to say "the South is a center of regressive social and economic attitudes" without being told you're an anti-Southern bigot.

It seems as though we're stuck in a linguistic tangle, where the original attempt to set forth norms of public behavior that would prevent outright hate speech has been co-opted to censor any criticism of a particular group's beliefs and attitudes.

To me, the distinction seems pretty clear. On one side is language that tends to perpetuate current power structures by demeaning and isolating anyone whose positions or even mere existence challenges those power structures. On the other is the use of socially subversive language by the excluded as a way of undermining the power structures that hold them down.

Things only becomes problematic when that distinction is blurred. For example, a group that is an excluded minority in the larger society may have sufficient numbers and influence at a liberal college to start acting like a dominant majority and throwing its weight around -- which was my son's objection -- perhaps without even realizing it.

Conversely, groups that no outside observer would doubt are part of the dominant power structure -- like Christians or white males -- may attempt to cast themselves as oppressed minorities, with the right to use socially subversive language themselves while being protected from having it used against them.

(These two situations are connected, of course, since the right has been very good at picking up incidents of excessive PC-ness on college campuses to either argue against all PC-ness or cast itself as the new oppressed.)

There's no simplistic answer to this tangle -- the only solution I see is to raise everybody's awareness of power relationships in our society and how they mediate all social, economic, and legal interactions, without exception.

In fact, that sort of consciousness-raising would be a good thing in general, since unacknowledged power relationships affect almost every current issue, from the Employee Free Choice Act to copyright and file-sharing to the war on drugs. But it's not something that can be accomplished overnight.

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  The Greatest Cliché: The Unexamined Propaganda of "Political Correctness" Hello_Kitty  Mar-19-09 03:45 AM   #0 
   some of it is generational, more than it is white  hfojvt   Mar-19-09 04:30 AM   #1 
   Gee, I didn't realize men and white people were such persecuted minorities.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:46 AM   #2 
   do only persecuted minorities suffer? Hath not a white guy eyes?  hfojvt   Mar-19-09 05:03 AM   #4 
   Hath not a white guy the ability to not be a bigoted jackass?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:42 AM   #6 
   if a white guy is being bullied or mocked...  whathehell   Mar-19-09 12:42 PM   #30 
   White guy hath privilege, jackass. Thus ought to be embarassed to tears to talk about  Political Heretic   Mar-19-09 02:11 PM   #86 
   privilege, ah ha. So when you cut us, we do not bleed.  hfojvt   Mar-19-09 03:30 PM   #131 
   Bigot! You didn't say equus africanus asinus  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 03:42 PM   #139 
   It's true. When she's stereotyping white guys, she loses her point.  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 03:39 PM   #137 
   Oh' God. There's more?  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 03:36 PM   #133 
      Because copyright rules limit you to 4 paragraphs. eom  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 03:38 PM   #136 
         So why'd you choose THOSE 4?  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 03:40 PM   #138 
            To make you cry. eom  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:26 PM   #158 
               Eh' You just don't know your place!  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:29 PM   #160 
   BTW, just because you've said a particular thing for 30 or 40 years.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:47 AM   #3 
   Who decides though?  hfojvt   Mar-19-09 05:35 AM   #5 
   You weren't voting for Jesse Jackson before I was born.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:52 AM   #7 
   HelloKitty, both of you are making valid points, and they are not necessarily exclusive  Threedifferentones   Mar-19-09 01:02 PM   #35 
   No, I don't see the "irony" there.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:19 PM   #39 
      Ummmm  Threedifferentones   Mar-19-09 01:25 PM   #44 
      you're irony-challenged?  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:35 PM   #56 
         Do you need a Midol?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:47 PM   #68 
            i do need an aspirin. got one?  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:51 PM   #73 
   you might listen, s/he's actually saying something important about the ultimate sources  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:54 PM   #74 
   Now I'm wondering what to call black folks who aren't American.  immoderate   Mar-19-09 07:05 AM   #15 
   CNN still calls them African American even when they're French  Zywiec   Mar-19-09 07:11 AM   #16 
   thus revealing the idiocy.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:37 PM   #58 
      Yeah, that totally reveals it.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:57 PM   #77 
         who decided "african american" was "respectful"? do you even *know*?  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:05 PM   #80 
            Actually, I've been told that Mad Men is very accurate.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:18 PM   #94 
               i don't care what you've been told. tv is never "accurate".  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:20 PM   #96 
               Oh I see. You're one of those people who has to be right all the time.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:22 PM   #98 
                  if someone disagrees with you/criticizes something of yours, it must be their personal dysfunction.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:25 PM   #103 
                     And if you disagree with someone's OP  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:34 PM   #114 
                        edit.  Runcible Spoon   Mar-19-09 05:03 PM   #180 
                           oh just you wait  hiphopnation   Mar-19-09 05:05 PM   #181 
                           Oh come on, you know you want to.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:14 PM   #186 
               Are there really blacks that prefer African American???  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 02:25 PM   #102 
                  I personally know a few.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:28 PM   #105 
                  Honestly African American is one of the sloppiest PC changes of the last 25 years.  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 02:47 PM   #122 
                  but PC is about terms, African American is one example  hfojvt   Mar-19-09 03:03 PM   #126 
                     They should have changed the song.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 03:47 PM   #142 
                  i don't know any. n/t  hiphopnation   Mar-19-09 02:46 PM   #121 
                  I know quite a number of Black people who do.  ieoeja   Mar-19-09 03:45 PM   #140 
   AA is an interesting term...  newtothegame   Mar-19-09 10:29 AM   #25 
   Are not all black people American?????  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 01:00 PM   #34 
   Ask you 14 year old niece about smoking...  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 12:59 PM   #33 
   Doesn't make it wrong either. I grew up in the 60s. "Black" became the respectful term then,  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 07:25 AM   #17 
      And now we're back full circle.  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 03:52 PM   #146 
   So, because some people have habits, it's OK?  PVnRT   Mar-19-09 07:33 AM   #19 
   what is this "it"?  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:38 PM   #61 
   You're explaining usage of outdated terms. The OP is about the whiney term "political correctness."  Gormy Cuss   Mar-19-09 01:28 PM   #49 
      but that's not the typical case. most people don't throw "chink" into routine conversations as a  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:44 PM   #66 
   The term "PC" and the attendant disdain for it have always bugged me.......  marmar   Mar-19-09 06:06 AM   #8 
   They use it as blanket immunity  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 06:14 AM   #10 
   How do these groups determine what they'll call themselves?  Zywiec   Mar-19-09 06:37 AM   #12 
   *Gasp*  Threedifferentones   Mar-19-09 01:20 PM   #41 
   They don't decide for themselves some paternal twit decides for them.  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 01:10 PM   #37 
   you're closer there than you think. in fact, a lot of it comes from the top.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:48 PM   #69 
      How do you think a group of people with an IQ of less than 70  Zywiec   Mar-19-09 02:11 PM   #85 
         they didn't. but interest groups & organizations of families & professionals can do so  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:18 PM   #95 
            So Down's syndrome is now Down Syndrome... man they need memos...  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 02:28 PM   #106 
            -ess ending is gendered, tool or oppression, how we speak shapes how we think.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:36 PM   #116 
               You seem to be paying a lot of attention to it right now.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 03:37 PM   #135 
                  chomsky's linguistics has nothing to do with your hobbyhorse.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 08:00 PM   #206 
            I think trisomy 21 has always been called Down Syndrome.  Quantess   Mar-19-09 06:56 PM   #203 
               Down's syndrome was the term used in printed material at the  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 08:17 PM   #208 
   Amen!  FloridaJudy   Mar-19-09 06:58 PM   #204 
   most people complaining about PC terms  morgan2   Mar-19-09 06:07 AM   #9 
   But it *is* offensive, to people with mental retardation.  Bunny   Mar-19-09 12:39 PM   #29 
   that one, i think, *is* intended to be mocking. i don't think that's really a case of pc.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:50 PM   #72 
   It is a clinical term. Nevertheless, it is used in a pejorative way, and is hurtful. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Mar-19-09 04:46 PM   #172 
   Being politically correct is just another way of saying having good manners.  Kitty Herder   Mar-19-09 06:29 AM   #11 
   Like Robin Morgan said, PC stands for Plain Courtesy. eom  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 06:52 AM   #14 
   The article is stereotyped garbage, printed by ruling class lackeys to divide people  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 07:28 AM   #18 
      Yeah, bitches and niggers just need to lighten up  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:09 PM   #36 
         you miss the point. entirely.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:27 PM   #48 
         Outside of African American Rappers who really uses such language. nt  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 01:37 PM   #59 
            Oh geez, this bullshit again.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:50 PM   #70 
            I wouldn't want to use those words I have class and education.  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 02:13 PM   #91 
               I find that people who have to announce how classy they are.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 03:05 PM   #127 
                  Again I do not know anybody, of any race, who uses those words...  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 03:14 PM   #129 
            You are correct. I only know a handful of ignoramuses who use "nigger" all the time.  ieoeja   Mar-19-09 03:51 PM   # 
               Funny i don't know anybody who uses such terms... nt  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 06:06 PM   #200 
   no, it's often a way of getting one-up on others, & being rude.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:56 PM   #76 
   Yep. Down here in the South I hear complaints against the "PC police"  Lorien   Mar-19-09 04:28 PM   #159 
      When I hear "PC Police," people who get offended when people use words *clearly*  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 08:33 PM   #210 
   It has always been my contention than PC'ness comes in two flavors,  Berry Cool   Mar-19-09 06:52 AM   #13 
   I agree. Conservatives are the source of some of the most obnoxious PC terms  last_texas_dem   Mar-19-09 08:28 PM   #209 
   Anyone who uses the term unironically is an idiot  alcibiades_mystery   Mar-19-09 08:25 AM   #20 
   "Asian-American" isn't PC. "Undocumented Worker" IS PC.  Odin2005   Mar-19-09 09:12 AM   #21 
   Fraudulent Worker  Kansas Wyatt   Mar-19-09 09:35 AM   #23 
      I'll still use "illegal immigrant", thank you.  Odin2005   Mar-19-09 09:46 AM   #24 
   One of the greatest vids showing the stupidity of PC is...  AB_Positive   Mar-19-09 09:28 AM   #22 
   Brilliant  rolltideroll   Mar-19-09 12:32 PM   #28 
   Love Ben Croshaw always great stuff every Weds. nt  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 01:19 PM   #40 
   He's an auto-watch for me too  AB_Positive   Mar-19-09 01:22 PM   #42 
      I spread mine to thin on the bread for his taste....  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 01:27 PM   #47 
   Oh gee, he's a white guy.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:24 PM   #43 
      the only reason anyone might have a problem with the concept is cuz they're  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:30 PM   #50 
      In what possible way is the immigrant in the video above privledged... seriously.  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 01:39 PM   #62 
         i have no idea why you're asking the question or what your point is.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:14 PM   #92 
            The immigrant in the video above Mr. Crenshaw... in what way is he privileged.  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 02:21 PM   #97 
               I didn't see the video, the only time i used the word "privilege" was ironically.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 08:35 PM   #211 
      I second your Non-PC using computer geeks are lame ass douchebag faggots  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 01:35 PM   #55 
         Whatsa matter? Don't like being called names?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:42 PM   #64 
            Cause Apple computers don't work with my Hentai game collection? nt  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 02:12 PM   #89 
   PC-ness becomes a problem when it goes beyond language  starroute   Mar-19-09 11:50 AM   #26 
   pc - it's a power thing, too.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:34 PM   #53 
   I think you just need a man.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:45 PM   #67 
      you're silly. you don't have power over me, i don't care what you call me.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:06 PM   #82 
         I can tell by the way you keep coming here to comment that you don't care. eom  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:24 PM   #156 
            no logical connection.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:25 PM   #224 
   I don't think a lot of you read the whole article.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:35 PM   #54 
      Your writer lives in some self serving dream world...  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 02:32 PM   #111 
   Before it became a rw griping point, however, it was a REAL phrase used by some on the "left".  Warren DeMontague   Mar-19-09 12:24 PM   #27 
   I guess you didn't read the whole article  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:41 PM   #63 
   i didn't read the whole article because the first page was so stupid.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:11 PM   #88 
   Well, then all the more reason why it was an idiotic thing for certain self-appointed poobahs  Warren DeMontague   Mar-19-09 02:29 PM   #109 
      Really?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:35 PM   #195 
         Actually, I don't think you hear it all that much in seriousness, anymore.  Warren DeMontague   Mar-19-09 05:52 PM   #199 
            I remember it too. I was in college then.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 06:22 PM   #202 
               I must have traveled in the fringe groups---  Warren DeMontague   Mar-19-09 10:08 PM   #229 
   i remember it too. originated in the sectarian left milieu, is my recollection.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:09 PM   #84 
      Bzzzzt! Sorry, but thanks for playing.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 08:59 PM   #214 
         lady, you weren't there. & you don't have clue one what the sectarian  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:37 PM   #227 
   This writer is manipulative.  aikoaiko   Mar-19-09 12:52 PM   #31 
   "...people who are merely clinging to mean-spirited names."  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:13 PM   #38 
   and they're a major social problem, aren't they? i hear these words all the time in public.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:02 PM   #79 
   Co-ed? Holy crap you really are stuck in 1965.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:39 PM   #196 
      the irony-challenged one strikes again.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 08:41 PM   #212 
   Yes, that is the whole point of the article, but that's not the perspective of reasonable people  aikoaiko   Mar-20-09 05:15 AM   #232 
   exactly.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:12 PM   #90 
   African American works fine as long as the Black person in question is American and in America.  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 12:56 PM   #32 
   Is schadenfreude a bad slip of the PC to one's spaceless psycho logisticals?  Festivito   Mar-19-09 01:25 PM   #45 
   It's rather hilarious watching some people's reactions to the OP  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:26 PM   #46 
   yes, i look down haughtily on you all from my privileged perch.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:32 PM   #51 
   Obviously. eom  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:37 PM   #60 
   Why so touchy this morning? PMSing?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:43 PM   #65 
      you're silly. you totally miss the point, & miss it so wide you'll never get it.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 01:58 PM   #78 
   It's making my ignore list management pretty easy today  Wednesdays   Mar-19-09 01:50 PM   #71 
   You were right, Hello Kitty, I did not read the whole article  Threedifferentones   Mar-19-09 02:06 PM   #81 
   On behalf of the entire Internets  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:11 PM   #87 
   You crossed the line in the very first subthread  Threedifferentones   Mar-19-09 02:33 PM   #112 
      Oh brother  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 03:26 PM   #130 
         Hey you know the violin smiley!  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:15 PM   #151 
            Awww....da poor widdle white dood is getting his fee fees hurted.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:23 PM   #155 
               Not really. Just this flaming faggot is having the time of his life  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:33 PM   #163 
   oh god it gets more banal. glad i didn't read it.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:23 PM   #99 
      If you didn't read it, how do you know?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:25 PM   #101 
         cause i read the part he excerpted, & it was worse.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:27 PM   #104 
         PC was a common meme in 1965?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:29 PM   #108 
            Uh, no, but how things should be called was a VERY big issue.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:33 PM   #113 
               And as is typical of old farts, you are threatened by change.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:44 PM   #120 
                  you seem to have a problem thinking.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 08:52 PM   #213 
                     You are becoming increasingly incoherent.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 09:04 PM   #216 
                        you've been that way from your first post to me. take a look at it.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:27 PM   #225 
         I don't have to shave my ass and sit in a bowl of gin to know it's painful.  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:17 PM   #153 
   Actually what's more hilarious is your obvious circumlocutions  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:10 PM   #150 
      Do you know what circumlocution means?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:26 PM   #157 
         Yes I do.  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:31 PM   #162 
            Okay, give me an example of "circumlocution" in a post of mine.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:34 PM   #164 
               Posts.. 2,3,7,7,68,94,39,142...  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:48 PM   #173 
                  I'm impressed that you gathered all those numbers. You still didn't answer me.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:54 PM   #175 
                     I got you didn't I?  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:58 PM   #178 
   May never have fully dawned on some of you  dipsydoodle   Mar-19-09 01:33 PM   #52 
   Blow it out your ass, limey. eom  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 01:36 PM   #57 
      Sticks and stones............  dipsydoodle   Mar-19-09 01:54 PM   #75 
         Sticks and stones my ass  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:07 PM   #83 
            she knows what *everyone* wants to be called! she is the hippest chick in the room.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:29 PM   #110 
            Do you have a point, at all?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:35 PM   #115 
            I've seen guys get in fistfights over insults, or even over being looked at in the wrong way  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 03:51 PM   #143 
               There you go showing how classy you are again.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 03:57 PM   #148 
                  So I lack class because my male friends don't get into fistfights over respect????  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 04:02 PM   #149 
                     So I'm a member of a defective subculture because I've seen men get into fistfights over slights?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:19 PM   #154 
   Holy shit, the White Privilege is strong in this thread!  Political Heretic   Mar-19-09 02:16 PM   #93 
   Ain't it though?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:23 PM   #100 
   yes, that must be it.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:28 PM   #107 
   Oh jesus fucking god! Is that what this poutrage is about?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:39 PM   #117 
   you're silly. do you always read your own script into one sentence?  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 02:42 PM   #119 
      And if you wonder why a lot of people think liberals are pedantic elitists  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 02:58 PM   #124 
         no, it took place in graduate school. i was in my 40s, she in her 30s.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 07:43 PM   #205 
            I made no assumption about your ages.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 08:08 PM   #207 
               your relegation of pc to "college" & discussion of college being a place to explore ideas  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:02 PM   #215 
                  You can't do those things as an older person?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 09:05 PM   #217 
                     your phraseology speaks for itself; the implication is clear.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:10 PM   #219 
   It's not always about you, whoever you are  Political Heretic   Mar-19-09 02:54 PM   #123 
      not always. but in *this* case, the comment was made about discussants in "this thread." so who  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:05 PM   #218 
   Indeed! nt  Lorien   Mar-19-09 04:30 PM   #161 
   As a white male, I agree. If somone is offended by the term use to describe them, then I apologize  U4ikLefty   Mar-19-09 05:12 PM   # 
   You've hit the nail squarely on the head and won the thread.  Political Heretic   Mar-20-09 12:50 PM   #234 
   Ain't it?? They're squealing like stuck pigs!  Number23   Mar-20-09 05:59 AM   #233 
   The labels "African-American" and "Asian-American" are too broad  derby378   Mar-19-09 02:42 PM   #118 
   this could have been written in 1995  hiphopnation   Mar-19-09 02:59 PM   #125 
   Apparently it's not because people are still complaing about "PC"  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 03:06 PM   #128 
   i don't know people that still complain about the term  hiphopnation   Mar-19-09 03:35 PM   #132 
   it could have been, & was, written in 1985, 1975, 1965, & probably before that too.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:11 PM   #220 
   Hello_Kitty, as a result of your comments in this thread, I am...  Gold Metal Flake   Mar-19-09 03:36 PM   #134 
   I have to line up behind George Carlin on this topic  cobalt1999   Mar-19-09 03:46 PM   #141 
   Okay, I'm with George. Let's describe people as "pink" and "brown".  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 03:51 PM   #144 
   And I am brown... well beige.... nt  Lost in CT   Mar-19-09 03:54 PM   #147 
      It depends on the time of year for me.  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:36 PM   #167 
         TMI, dude, really.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:41 PM   #169 
            Your avatar said worse in her day.  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:55 PM   #176 
               She was Bette Davis. You are a random douchewad on the internet.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:09 PM   #183 
                  If your going to use an epithet, get it right.  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 05:14 PM   #185 
                     I'm her second cousin's wife's third cousin.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:18 PM   #188 
                        Janet is that you?  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 05:23 PM   #191 
   Carlin nailed this topic  hiphopnation   Mar-19-09 03:51 PM   #145 
   "Labels divide people." hear, hear. & that's precisely why so many of them are invented by the  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:14 PM   #221 
   Excellent article. k+r  ColbertWatcher   Mar-19-09 04:15 PM   #152 
   This article is a load of shit!  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:35 PM   #165 
   And yet you're still here babbling about it. eom  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:36 PM   #166 
   Why'd you say babbling? Is that a gay slur? Do you hate gay people?  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:50 PM   #174 
      Oh so you're one of them?  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 04:56 PM   #177 
         What do you want me to be?  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 04:59 PM   #179 
            I want to know if its okay to use gay slurs around you.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:08 PM   #182 
               Oh' that. See, I thought that since you wrote 30 or so insensitive posts  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 05:12 PM   #184 
                  It was fairly clear I was (facetiously) making a point.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:16 PM   #187 
                     I know. You are just lame at making the point.  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 05:21 PM   #190 
                        I don't have to admit anything just because you disagree with my opinion.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:25 PM   #193 
                           Because I'm not acting. I'm just pushing your buttons  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 05:42 PM   #198 
   so is this thread  hiphopnation   Mar-19-09 04:40 PM   #168 
      I was eating a frozen pizza while reading/writing in it.  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 05:18 PM   #189 
         ...  hiphopnation   Mar-19-09 05:24 PM   #192 
         Try cooking it first. It tastes better that way. eom  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 05:26 PM   #194 
            I had Bette's maid cook it for me, Dearie.  Touchdown   Mar-19-09 05:41 PM   #197 
   true enough, but the worst one of all is "conspiracy theory"  JackRiddler   Mar-19-09 04:42 PM   #170 
   I think he's confusing insensitive with PC.  lumberjack_jeff   Mar-19-09 04:44 PM   #171 
   yep.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:19 PM   #222 
   I think a nail has just met a head....  Lost in CT   Mar-20-09 01:47 AM   #231 
   I always thought idea of people using the term PC just meant  Geek_Girl   Mar-19-09 06:12 PM   #201 
   no, that's what it means to rush limbaugh.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:23 PM   #223 
      My observation of you earlier today was quite accurate.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-19-09 09:36 PM   #226 
         she says in post 226.  Hannah Bell   Mar-19-09 09:40 PM   #228 
   I remember when this blog post first came out  noamnety   Mar-19-09 10:39 PM   #230 
 

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