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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 02:58 AM
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59. That is unfortunately true. It is the main reason for grade inflation
When the "customers" are unhappy with low grades, you stop giving them, and give them the "product" that they want.
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  -just a few things regarding education. ulysses  Mar-11-09 09:57 PM   #0 
  - And progress can be measured.  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 09:58 PM   #1 
  - It can be measured, but constantly measuring it doesn't make it happen  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-09 10:01 PM   #2 
  - If you don't state the progress you need  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:07 PM   #6 
     - my parents do know. it's in the kids' IEPs.  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:10 PM   #8 
     - All kids don't get an IEP  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:18 PM   #13 
     - no distortion.  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:19 PM   #15 
        - So the parent is responsible to measure progress  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:21 PM   #18 
           - wtf?  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:24 PM   #23 
              - Right. And if they don't do that  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:27 PM   #28 
                 - um, no.  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:30 PM   #31 
                    - um, yes.  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:32 PM   #35 
                       - you forgot to answer the question.  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:34 PM   #37 
     - What's an IEP  Mind_your_head   Mar-11-09 11:32 PM   #47 
        - Individualized Education Plan  mitchum   Mar-12-09 08:17 AM   #65 
     - By fucking visiting the fucking classroom.  Luminous Animal   Mar-12-09 01:29 AM   #56 
  - not going to deny that.  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:01 PM   #3 
  - What standard would you set?  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:06 PM   #5 
  - my standard: growth according to each child's baseline, disability,  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:17 PM   #12 
     - Great. Those are your objectives.  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:20 PM   #16 
        - LOL!  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:21 PM   #19 
           - That's the proposal  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:23 PM   #22 
              - whose proposal?  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:24 PM   #24 
                 - The Merit Pay proposal  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:29 PM   #30 
                    - *whose* merit pay proposal?  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:32 PM   #34 
                       - Posted previously  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:33 PM   #36 
                          - ah, ok. but I'm not in Denver.  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:35 PM   #38 
                             - This is the model for the proposal  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:46 PM   #43 
                                - my arguing with you on a website has fuck-all to do with what happens in a classroom.  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:49 PM   #45 
  - that's the thing. In my district, due to weak k-3, the battle is lost before they  roguevalley   Mar-11-09 10:22 PM   #20 
  - So you would approach the district  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:26 PM   #26 
     - not in my district. they don't have teachers anywhere near policy.  roguevalley   Mar-12-09 02:07 PM   #69 
  - What about the child who comes to you way ahead?  sense   Mar-12-09 12:52 AM   #55 
     - I'm a special education teacher.  ulysses   Mar-12-09 05:20 PM   #72 
  - But on an individual basis, not collectively.  leftyclimber   Mar-11-09 10:14 PM   #10 
  - How would you measure it?  roody   Mar-11-09 10:28 PM   #29 
     - My kids?  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:31 PM   #33 
        - That's great. Since you are so involved with your children,  roody   Mar-11-09 11:40 PM   #49 
           - Sometimes yes, sometimes no  sandnsea   Mar-12-09 12:10 AM   #53 
  - Every time kids don't learn, teachers get blamed.....  Sarah Ibarruri   Mar-11-09 10:02 PM   #4 
  - Thank you.  tnlefty   Mar-11-09 10:08 PM   #7 
  - Intelligence and Howard Gardner  Ichingcarpenter   Mar-11-09 10:12 PM   #9 
  - Sorry, there is no music on the test. Doesn't count.  roody   Mar-11-09 10:30 PM   #32 
     - There is in the music department  sandnsea   Mar-11-09 10:47 PM   #44 
        - The ONLY thing that counts as achievement in school today is  roody   Mar-11-09 11:36 PM   #48 
           - Well that IS NOT the subject  sandnsea   Mar-12-09 12:07 AM   #52 
              - I work at a program improvement school and test scores are the  roody   Mar-12-09 08:48 AM   #68 
  - Ehhh.. they aren't "for profit businesses" but on the rest of this you are wrong..  ddeclue   Mar-11-09 10:15 PM   #11 
  - I said that a *child* is not a product, not that there is *no* product.  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:27 PM   #27 
  - They are INDEED your customer...sorry you don't understand that point  ddeclue   Mar-11-09 10:45 PM   #42 
     - Another clueless education expert.  EFerrari   Mar-12-09 12:42 AM   #54 
     - The customer is always right and how may I provide you good sevice today?  Mithreal   Mar-12-09 01:57 AM   #57 
     - That is unfortunately true. It is the main reason for grade inflation  eridani   Mar-12-09 02:58 AM   #59 
  - But education isn't "bought".  wickerwoman   Mar-11-09 10:52 PM   #46 
     - Amen to that, wickewoman!  southerncrone   Mar-12-09 10:28 PM   #73 
  - And the taxpayers are not my employers  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-11-09 10:18 PM   #14 
  - If you work for a public school they most certainly are.  ddeclue   Mar-11-09 10:21 PM   #17 
  - No they aren't  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-11-09 10:23 PM   #21 
  - Ultimately the person who employs you is the TAXPAYER..  ddeclue   Mar-11-09 10:36 PM   #39 
     - The taxpayer employs the school district  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-12-09 06:34 AM   #62 
  - wrong.  ulysses   Mar-11-09 10:25 PM   #25 
     - PUBLIC SCHOOL EMPLOYEES WORK FOR THE TAXPAYER  ddeclue   Mar-11-09 10:40 PM   #41 
  - Wow. How Can You Be A Teacher And Be That Dumb?  mudesi   Mar-12-09 04:08 PM   #71 
  - Our tests don't do an educational matrix for cooperative education  Ichingcarpenter   Mar-11-09 10:39 PM   #40 
  - Good comments nt  Mithreal   Mar-12-09 02:04 AM   #58 
  - another thing? It's the single most important thing in this country, society,  sohndrsmith   Mar-11-09 11:45 PM   #50 
  - With Standardize tests society goals are geared on neo-mat- a -tron existence  Ichingcarpenter   Mar-12-09 12:01 AM   #51 
  - Merit Pay  Project Grudge   Mar-12-09 03:49 AM   #60 
  - Merit pay makes no sense because it targets the wrong element.  EFerrari   Mar-12-09 04:27 AM   #61 
  - It seems to me if teachers  Midlodemocrat   Mar-12-09 06:43 AM   #63 
  - I view it the other way round - things are fucked up in part  ulysses   Mar-12-09 04:03 PM   #70 
  - I think of my students as clients...  mitchum   Mar-12-09 08:12 AM   #64 
  - No, children are like trees  The2ndWheel   Mar-12-09 08:34 AM   #66 
  - Schools have no money  Bluenorthwest   Mar-12-09 08:36 AM   #67 
 

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