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Wed Mar-11-09 07:51 PM
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| 90. This would be a better poll if only teachers would be asked |
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whether they are for or against it. I know what merit pay does in the corporate environment so I'd be against it in theory, but I'd be interested in how teachers themselves view the topic.
My daughter attends an excellent public school (believe it or not here in Texas!) and I'd pay her teacher whatever she wanted.
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| -Let's see how DU feels about merit pay for teachers. |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Mar-11-09 04:50 PM |
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Merit pay is political pay. |
no_hypocrisy |
Mar-11-09 04:52 PM |
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I saw on CSPIN that some venues actually do use that. |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 04:55 PM |
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I am for firing bad teachers outright |
XemaSab |
Mar-11-09 04:53 PM |
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Right -- so then we have a fucked up, underfunded school system |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 04:56 PM |
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We have a fucked up, underfunded school system |
XemaSab |
Mar-11-09 05:00 PM |
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You can't drag down what is already scraping the floor. |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:05 PM |
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From 5-8 |
XemaSab |
Mar-11-09 05:10 PM |
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Oh, I hear that. There are @ssholes in every profession. |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:14 PM |
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Child hating teachers, eh? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-11-09 06:00 PM |
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yeah -- they DO exist. |
Donnachaidh |
Mar-12-09 07:52 AM |
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My mother used to come home from teaching |
DKRC |
Mar-12-09 01:01 PM |
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I'm with you. If they're not doing their job, fire them. If they are, pay them. (modified) |
readmoreoften |
Mar-11-09 04:56 PM |
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I think it is possible to assess teachers but that's nowhere near |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 04:55 PM |
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I think too many are assuming what those merits might be |
JuniperLea |
Mar-11-09 05:26 PM |
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It's a little weird to start off with teachers and not with the political |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:28 PM |
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Yep, I'll agree to that... |
JuniperLea |
Mar-11-09 05:32 PM |
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He's sitting a whole buffet of problems, that's for sure. n/t |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:34 PM |
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I think merit pay is just fine. |
phantom power |
Mar-11-09 04:56 PM |
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Me too. Many of the arguments against are specious. |
anigbrowl |
Mar-11-09 05:13 PM |
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Many teachers face classrooms where 1 out of 6 kids is homeless or for other reasons |
Maru Kitteh |
Mar-11-09 11:02 PM |
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No two students or two classrooms are exactly alike. |
PassingFair |
Mar-11-09 04:57 PM |
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So what? |
anigbrowl |
Mar-11-09 05:14 PM |
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Teachers are evaluated all the time. I don't know where people |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:16 PM |
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Maybe it's all the bad apples we encounter? |
JuniperLea |
Mar-11-09 05:24 PM |
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This is a snipe hunt. People who don't do their jobs |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:30 PM |
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Oh, I agree! It's systemic... |
JuniperLea |
Mar-11-09 05:35 PM |
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In some cases, they collect them. That's right! |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:39 PM |
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Exactly! |
anigbrowl |
Mar-11-09 05:47 PM |
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"a snipe hunt"! Yup! That's a VERY apt characterization. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-11-09 05:56 PM |
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30 years of Republican predations. In a way, I don't blame people. |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:58 PM |
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Ahem |
anigbrowl |
Mar-11-09 09:08 PM |
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Have you read this board today? |
EFerrari |
Mar-12-09 02:23 AM |
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Yes, and you keep avoiding the fact that some teachers are bad. |
anigbrowl |
Mar-12-09 12:46 PM |
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I've not avoid any such. It's just STUPID to start mid food chain |
EFerrari |
Mar-12-09 09:18 PM |
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From the toxic teachers we experience |
sense |
Mar-12-09 02:11 AM |
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This isn't a business though. |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Mar-11-09 05:16 PM |
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Productivity isn't a corporate model |
anigbrowl |
Mar-11-09 05:23 PM |
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I just think the art of teaching |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Mar-11-09 05:24 PM |
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Why not? |
anigbrowl |
Mar-11-09 05:26 PM |
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If someone can come up |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Mar-11-09 05:27 PM |
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Yes it is a corporate model. How would you measure the number |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:26 PM |
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One small improvment... |
anigbrowl |
Mar-11-09 05:42 PM |
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I'm only saying that corporate models are not flexible or sensitive enough |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:50 PM |
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Children are not products. Schools are NOT businesses. |
PassingFair |
Mar-11-09 05:21 PM |
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And the system we have now is never abused? Come off it. |
anigbrowl |
Mar-11-09 05:25 PM |
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Of COURSE there is some "assessment" now! |
PassingFair |
Mar-11-09 05:53 PM |
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Er yes, that's what I said. |
anigbrowl |
Mar-11-09 08:59 PM |
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Been there done that it is never decided fairly. |
rwheeler31 |
Mar-11-09 04:58 PM |
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Scraped it? |
XemaSab |
Mar-11-09 05:11 PM |
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You're all about spotting the typographical errors today. |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Mar-11-09 05:19 PM |
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I prefer to think of it as performance art |
noamnety |
Mar-11-09 05:58 PM |
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Au contraire |
XemaSab |
Mar-12-09 12:57 AM |
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Heh. |
noamnety |
Mar-12-09 01:29 AM |
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Actually, you're totally right |
XemaSab |
Mar-12-09 01:40 AM |
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I thought the same before I became a teacher |
noamnety |
Mar-12-09 11:07 AM |
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Against |
Ohio Joe |
Mar-11-09 04:59 PM |
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Against. |
ColbertWatcher |
Mar-11-09 05:12 PM |
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I am for merit pay but not based on test scores. |
fed_up_mother |
Mar-11-09 05:14 PM |
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The teaching profession involves too many ambient variables... |
Deja Q |
Mar-11-09 05:19 PM |
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I'm still undecided. n/t |
Ian David |
Mar-11-09 05:20 PM |
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My pay and my bonuses are purely merit based... |
JuniperLea |
Mar-11-09 05:24 PM |
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The thing is -- and this is so funny -- that building a community |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 05:56 PM |
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Reward schools as a whole... excellent! |
JuniperLea |
Mar-11-09 06:54 PM |
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I haven't but thanks, I'd like to. |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 06:57 PM |
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Google his name... |
JuniperLea |
Mar-11-09 07:04 PM |
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You also made me get something else that may be key here. |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 07:03 PM |
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OMG! This post gave me chills! |
JuniperLea |
Mar-11-09 07:11 PM |
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And busing (sic) didn't work. Our school system was never integrated, |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 07:18 PM |
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It was a disaster! |
JuniperLea |
Mar-11-09 07:26 PM |
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"Bussing" means "kissing" or, it meant kissing in standard English |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 07:35 PM |
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LOL! |
JuniperLea |
Mar-11-09 07:58 PM |
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If a teacher sucks, they should be outta there |
Uzybone |
Mar-11-09 05:27 PM |
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I am against it. Just pay them a decent salary to attract better qualified teachers |
Incitatus |
Mar-11-09 05:29 PM |
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It's sure easy to see those whom the public education system has failed. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-11-09 05:30 PM |
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A fallacy is a fashion error committed after Labor Day? |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 06:17 PM |
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I would be for merit pay for teachers if someone can come up with good measures of merit. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-11-09 05:34 PM |
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In principle I am for merit pay. |
mwooldri |
Mar-11-09 05:35 PM |
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It's a good question. |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Mar-11-09 05:36 PM |
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'I am against merit pay' unless teachers receive merits for passing through, say, oh, 2-3 ... |
bridgit |
Mar-11-09 05:37 PM |
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Teachers should get Wall Street style merit pay |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-11-09 05:42 PM |
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other |
Fresh_Start |
Mar-11-09 05:43 PM |
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Well, yes and no. Teachers are up to their eyebrows in the real world. |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 06:02 PM |
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I stand by my statement |
Fresh_Start |
Mar-11-09 06:27 PM |
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But the atmosphere of trust, of cooperation and safety is unique |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 06:33 PM |
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no, many professions require trust and cooperation |
Fresh_Start |
Mar-11-09 06:35 PM |
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Baloney. Doctors, lawyers, researchers, other professionals |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 06:39 PM |
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You don't know what you are talking about |
Fresh_Start |
Mar-11-09 07:28 PM |
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How many 10 year olds have you sat with in conference? |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 07:39 PM |
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Only a few 10 year olds |
Fresh_Start |
Mar-11-09 07:41 PM |
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Lots. 10 years in commercial real estate, 10 in city government |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 07:43 PM |
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so in all your vast experience you were always the "peer" |
Fresh_Start |
Mar-11-09 07:49 PM |
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In all my vast experience, I have always been more of a peer |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 08:12 PM |
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Peer in business is not a matter of age |
Fresh_Start |
Mar-11-09 08:17 PM |
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Right. And the power diferential is nothing like it would be |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 08:32 PM |
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I'm for keeping good teachers and firing bad teachers just like any profession |
stray cat |
Mar-11-09 05:46 PM |
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I'm inclined to oppose it. |
burning rain |
Mar-11-09 05:49 PM |
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If there was some quantitative way to weigh |
etherealtruth |
Mar-11-09 06:08 PM |
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i am for merit pay, but I haven't seen a merit pay plan that |
Still Sensible |
Mar-11-09 06:14 PM |
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There's something really gross about offering "merit pay" |
EFerrari |
Mar-11-09 06:18 PM |
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If students were as standardized as the tests... |
LanternWaste |
Mar-11-09 06:26 PM |
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I wouldn't oppose merit pay raises if there was a system for equitably determining merit, |
petronius |
Mar-11-09 06:50 PM |
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I'm against it |
Bill McBlueState |
Mar-11-09 06:54 PM |
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Against. Merit pay is just another tool for the admins to screw over the teachers. |
Edweird |
Mar-11-09 06:55 PM |
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It would completely work if site based management was eliminated. |
Midlodemocrat |
Mar-11-09 07:14 PM |
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And if kids really hate a teacher than gives them too much work, they can screw up the test |
readmoreoften |
Mar-11-09 07:28 PM |
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Exactly. Stupid/disruptive kids will revel in knowing their stupidity will hurt the teacher |
file83 |
Mar-12-09 02:27 AM |
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Against |
proud2BlibKansan |
Mar-11-09 07:45 PM |
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This would be a better poll if only teachers would be asked |
TBF |
Mar-11-09 07:51 PM |
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How about merit pay for administrators? |
baldguy |
Mar-11-09 08:22 PM |
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How about merit pay for members of Congress? |
mykpart |
Mar-11-09 09:13 PM |
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Congress kind of get to set their own pay anyway. Plus they do get reviewed... |
mwooldri |
Mar-12-09 01:55 AM |
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Mike Moore once pointed out that their return rate is higher than |
EFerrari |
Mar-12-09 01:57 AM |
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if its true some teachers are better than others & quality of teaching impacts student learning, |
aikoaiko |
Mar-11-09 09:38 PM |
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It was a lousy idea when the Republicans pushed it, and it's still shit. |
QC |
Mar-12-09 01:42 AM |
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Against it |
last_texas_dem |
Mar-12-09 02:06 AM |
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I had too many mean, spiteful, innefective teaches who made me hate school |
Radical Activist |
Mar-12-09 02:10 AM |
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Okay then, bump up starting pay, then problem solved. |
file83 |
Mar-12-09 02:25 AM |
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Bumping up starting pay is a must. |
Radical Activist |
Mar-12-09 02:27 AM |
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Against of course -- What a stupid idea n|t |
Eryemil |
Mar-12-09 11:30 AM |
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Other. I would be for such things as... |
Lisa0825 |
Mar-12-09 11:34 AM |
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