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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 07:45 PM
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There was once upon a time a bonus pay system in my school district that the teachers liked but of course it was eventually eliminated.

We got an extra $350 if we met an attendance criteria (don't remember exactly but I think you could only be absent twice all year); you had to have 90% of your parents attend PT conferences and you had to contact each parent at least once a month.

Something like that might work. Of course it would need to be a much larger bonus than $350. LOL
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  -Let's see how DU feels about merit pay for teachers. Celeborn Skywalker  Mar-11-09 04:50 PM   #0 
  - Merit pay is political pay.  no_hypocrisy   Mar-11-09 04:52 PM   #1 
  - I saw on CSPIN that some venues actually do use that.  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 04:55 PM   #4 
  - I am for firing bad teachers outright  XemaSab   Mar-11-09 04:53 PM   #2 
  - Right -- so then we have a fucked up, underfunded school system  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 04:56 PM   #6 
  - We have a fucked up, underfunded school system  XemaSab   Mar-11-09 05:00 PM   #11 
     - You can't drag down what is already scraping the floor.  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:05 PM   #12 
        - From 5-8  XemaSab   Mar-11-09 05:10 PM   #13 
           - Oh, I hear that. There are @ssholes in every profession.  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:14 PM   #19 
           - Child hating teachers, eh?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-11-09 06:00 PM   #60 
              - yeah -- they DO exist.  Donnachaidh   Mar-12-09 07:52 AM   #114 
              - My mother used to come home from teaching  DKRC   Mar-12-09 01:01 PM   #119 
  - I'm with you. If they're not doing their job, fire them. If they are, pay them. (modified)  readmoreoften   Mar-11-09 04:56 PM   #7 
  - I think it is possible to assess teachers but that's nowhere near  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 04:55 PM   #3 
  - I think too many are assuming what those merits might be  JuniperLea   Mar-11-09 05:26 PM   #32 
     - It's a little weird to start off with teachers and not with the political  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:28 PM   #36 
        - Yep, I'll agree to that...  JuniperLea   Mar-11-09 05:32 PM   #40 
           - He's sitting a whole buffet of problems, that's for sure. n/t  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:34 PM   #41 
  - I think merit pay is just fine.  phantom power   Mar-11-09 04:56 PM   #5 
  - Me too. Many of the arguments against are specious.  anigbrowl   Mar-11-09 05:13 PM   #16 
     - Many teachers face classrooms where 1 out of 6 kids is homeless or for other reasons  Maru Kitteh   Mar-11-09 11:02 PM   #100 
  - No two students or two classrooms are exactly alike.  PassingFair   Mar-11-09 04:57 PM   #8 
  - So what?  anigbrowl   Mar-11-09 05:14 PM   #18 
     - Teachers are evaluated all the time. I don't know where people  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:16 PM   #20 
     - Maybe it's all the bad apples we encounter?  JuniperLea   Mar-11-09 05:24 PM   #29 
     - This is a snipe hunt. People who don't do their jobs  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:30 PM   #39 
        - Oh, I agree! It's systemic...  JuniperLea   Mar-11-09 05:35 PM   #44 
        - In some cases, they collect them. That's right!  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:39 PM   #47 
        - Exactly!  anigbrowl   Mar-11-09 05:47 PM   #52 
        - "a snipe hunt"! Yup! That's a VERY apt characterization.  TahitiNut   Mar-11-09 05:56 PM   #57 
           - 30 years of Republican predations. In a way, I don't blame people.  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:58 PM   #59 
              - Ahem  anigbrowl   Mar-11-09 09:08 PM   #97 
                 - Have you read this board today?  EFerrari   Mar-12-09 02:23 AM   #110 
                    - Yes, and you keep avoiding the fact that some teachers are bad.  anigbrowl   Mar-12-09 12:46 PM   #118 
                       - I've not avoid any such. It's just STUPID to start mid food chain  EFerrari   Mar-12-09 09:18 PM   #120 
     - From the toxic teachers we experience  sense   Mar-12-09 02:11 AM   #109 
     - This isn't a business though.  Celeborn Skywalker   Mar-11-09 05:16 PM   #21 
     - Productivity isn't a corporate model  anigbrowl   Mar-11-09 05:23 PM   #26 
        - I just think the art of teaching  Celeborn Skywalker   Mar-11-09 05:24 PM   #28 
        - Why not?  anigbrowl   Mar-11-09 05:26 PM   #31 
           - If someone can come up  Celeborn Skywalker   Mar-11-09 05:27 PM   #34 
        - Yes it is a corporate model. How would you measure the number  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:26 PM   #33 
           - One small improvment...  anigbrowl   Mar-11-09 05:42 PM   #48 
              - I'm only saying that corporate models are not flexible or sensitive enough  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:50 PM   #54 
     - Children are not products. Schools are NOT businesses.  PassingFair   Mar-11-09 05:21 PM   #25 
        - And the system we have now is never abused? Come off it.  anigbrowl   Mar-11-09 05:25 PM   #30 
           - Of COURSE there is some "assessment" now!  PassingFair   Mar-11-09 05:53 PM   #55 
              - Er yes, that's what I said.  anigbrowl   Mar-11-09 08:59 PM   #96 
  - Been there done that it is never decided fairly.  rwheeler31   Mar-11-09 04:58 PM   #9 
  - Scraped it?  XemaSab   Mar-11-09 05:11 PM   #14 
     - You're all about spotting the typographical errors today.  ProdigalJunkMail   Mar-11-09 05:19 PM   #22 
        - I prefer to think of it as performance art  noamnety   Mar-11-09 05:58 PM   #58 
           - Au contraire  XemaSab   Mar-12-09 12:57 AM   #101 
              - Heh.  noamnety   Mar-12-09 01:29 AM   #102 
                 - Actually, you're totally right  XemaSab   Mar-12-09 01:40 AM   #103 
                    - I thought the same before I became a teacher  noamnety   Mar-12-09 11:07 AM   #115 
  - Against  Ohio Joe   Mar-11-09 04:59 PM   #10 
  - Against.  ColbertWatcher   Mar-11-09 05:12 PM   #15 
  - I am for merit pay but not based on test scores.  fed_up_mother   Mar-11-09 05:14 PM   #17 
  - The teaching profession involves too many ambient variables...  Deja Q   Mar-11-09 05:19 PM   #23 
  - I'm still undecided. n/t  Ian David   Mar-11-09 05:20 PM   #24 
  - My pay and my bonuses are purely merit based...  JuniperLea   Mar-11-09 05:24 PM   #27 
  - The thing is -- and this is so funny -- that building a community  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 05:56 PM   #56 
     - Reward schools as a whole... excellent!  JuniperLea   Mar-11-09 06:54 PM   #73 
        - I haven't but thanks, I'd like to.  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 06:57 PM   #75 
        - Google his name...  JuniperLea   Mar-11-09 07:04 PM   #77 
        - You also made me get something else that may be key here.  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 07:03 PM   #76 
           - OMG! This post gave me chills!  JuniperLea   Mar-11-09 07:11 PM   #78 
              - And busing (sic) didn't work. Our school system was never integrated,  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 07:18 PM   #80 
                 - It was a disaster!  JuniperLea   Mar-11-09 07:26 PM   #81 
                    - "Bussing" means "kissing" or, it meant kissing in standard English  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 07:35 PM   #84 
                       - LOL!  JuniperLea   Mar-11-09 07:58 PM   #91 
  - If a teacher sucks, they should be outta there  Uzybone   Mar-11-09 05:27 PM   #35 
  - I am against it. Just pay them a decent salary to attract better qualified teachers  Incitatus   Mar-11-09 05:29 PM   #37 
  - It's sure easy to see those whom the public education system has failed.  TahitiNut   Mar-11-09 05:30 PM   #38 
  - A fallacy is a fashion error committed after Labor Day?  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 06:17 PM   #64 
  - I would be for merit pay for teachers if someone can come up with good measures of merit.  Donald Ian Rankin   Mar-11-09 05:34 PM   #42 
  - In principle I am for merit pay.  mwooldri   Mar-11-09 05:35 PM   #43 
  - It's a good question.  Celeborn Skywalker   Mar-11-09 05:36 PM   #45 
  - 'I am against merit pay' unless teachers receive merits for passing through, say, oh, 2-3 ...  bridgit   Mar-11-09 05:37 PM   #46 
  - Teachers should get Wall Street style merit pay  Bluenorthwest   Mar-11-09 05:42 PM   #49 
  - other  Fresh_Start   Mar-11-09 05:43 PM   #50 
  - Well, yes and no. Teachers are up to their eyebrows in the real world.  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 06:02 PM   #61 
     - I stand by my statement  Fresh_Start   Mar-11-09 06:27 PM   #67 
        - But the atmosphere of trust, of cooperation and safety is unique  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 06:33 PM   #68 
           - no, many professions require trust and cooperation  Fresh_Start   Mar-11-09 06:35 PM   #69 
              - Baloney. Doctors, lawyers, researchers, other professionals  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 06:39 PM   #70 
                 - You don't know what you are talking about  Fresh_Start   Mar-11-09 07:28 PM   #83 
                    - How many 10 year olds have you sat with in conference?  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 07:39 PM   #85 
                       - Only a few 10 year olds  Fresh_Start   Mar-11-09 07:41 PM   #86 
                          - Lots. 10 years in commercial real estate, 10 in city government  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 07:43 PM   #87 
                             - so in all your vast experience you were always the "peer"  Fresh_Start   Mar-11-09 07:49 PM   #89 
                                - In all my vast experience, I have always been more of a peer  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 08:12 PM   #92 
                                   - Peer in business is not a matter of age  Fresh_Start   Mar-11-09 08:17 PM   #93 
                                      - Right. And the power diferential is nothing like it would be  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 08:32 PM   #95 
  - I'm for keeping good teachers and firing bad teachers just like any profession  stray cat   Mar-11-09 05:46 PM   #51 
  - I'm inclined to oppose it.  burning rain   Mar-11-09 05:49 PM   #53 
  - If there was some quantitative way to weigh  etherealtruth   Mar-11-09 06:08 PM   #62 
  - i am for merit pay, but I haven't seen a merit pay plan that  Still Sensible   Mar-11-09 06:14 PM   #63 
  - There's something really gross about offering "merit pay"  EFerrari   Mar-11-09 06:18 PM   #65 
  - If students were as standardized as the tests...  LanternWaste   Mar-11-09 06:26 PM   #66 
  - I wouldn't oppose merit pay raises if there was a system for equitably determining merit,  petronius   Mar-11-09 06:50 PM   #71 
  - I'm against it  Bill McBlueState   Mar-11-09 06:54 PM   #72 
  - Against. Merit pay is just another tool for the admins to screw over the teachers.  Edweird   Mar-11-09 06:55 PM   #74 
  - It would completely work if site based management was eliminated.  Midlodemocrat   Mar-11-09 07:14 PM   #79 
  - And if kids really hate a teacher than gives them too much work, they can screw up the test  readmoreoften   Mar-11-09 07:28 PM   #82 
  - Exactly. Stupid/disruptive kids will revel in knowing their stupidity will hurt the teacher  file83   Mar-12-09 02:27 AM   #112 
  - Against  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-11-09 07:45 PM   #88 
  - This would be a better poll if only teachers would be asked  TBF   Mar-11-09 07:51 PM   #90 
  - How about merit pay for administrators?  baldguy   Mar-11-09 08:22 PM   #94 
  - How about merit pay for members of Congress?  mykpart   Mar-11-09 09:13 PM   #98 
  - Congress kind of get to set their own pay anyway. Plus they do get reviewed...  mwooldri   Mar-12-09 01:55 AM   #105 
     - Mike Moore once pointed out that their return rate is higher than  EFerrari   Mar-12-09 01:57 AM   #106 
  - if its true some teachers are better than others & quality of teaching impacts student learning,  aikoaiko   Mar-11-09 09:38 PM   #99 
  - It was a lousy idea when the Republicans pushed it, and it's still shit.  QC   Mar-12-09 01:42 AM   #104 
  - Against it  last_texas_dem   Mar-12-09 02:06 AM   #107 
  - I had too many mean, spiteful, innefective teaches who made me hate school  Radical Activist   Mar-12-09 02:10 AM   #108 
  - Okay then, bump up starting pay, then problem solved.  file83   Mar-12-09 02:25 AM   #111 
     - Bumping up starting pay is a must.  Radical Activist   Mar-12-09 02:27 AM   #113 
  - Against of course -- What a stupid idea n|t  Eryemil   Mar-12-09 11:30 AM   #116 
  - Other. I would be for such things as...  Lisa0825   Mar-12-09 11:34 AM   #117 
 

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