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40. I agree. Actually, I confess I find the whole thing somewhat strange. Chavez seems so...
unexceptional to me. I understand why Republicans see Chavez as a devil and liberals often see him as a saint: he criticized George W. Bush relentlessly on the international stage.

Beyond that, he's a socialist politician who occasionally displays worrying signs of dictatorial designs, and who occasionally seems to be acting with benevolent intent. I have to think that if he hasn't latched onto Bush as a foreign boogeyman, that he would be of no more import here than Evo Morales is.
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  -"Shut up about Chavez the killer," Venezuelan co-star tells Sean Penn. Occam Bandage  Mar-09-09 10:58 AM   #0 
  - I think Chavez is a hero of the poor.  ananda   Mar-09-09 11:00 AM   #1 
  - Some of us don't believe in political heros and think it's dangerous to  cali   Mar-09-09 11:02 AM   #3 
  - Edit: Hero worship isn't really the same as admiration for a track record.  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 05:58 PM   #160 
  - uh, the poster said she thinks he's a hero.  cali   Mar-10-09 06:16 AM   #213 
  - Pull the other one, it's got bells on.  LeftyMom   Mar-09-09 07:34 PM   #181 
  - Really???  MicaelS   Mar-09-09 11:04 AM   #4 
  - A friend who went to Venezuela said he is treated like a rock star.  roody   Mar-10-09 12:11 AM   #199 
  - I think Chavez is a politician with some good policies, some bad policies,  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:05 AM   #6 
  - All too often, our demonization of "dictators" is tragically self-fulfilling  RufusTFirefly   Mar-09-09 11:26 AM   #36 
  - It is, yes. Isolation only justifies the claims of radical elements in a country.  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:34 AM   #44 
  - It's actually very hard to be a leftist President in South America because  Cleita   Mar-09-09 12:33 PM   #85 
     - actually because you are likely to be shot by the CIA.  endarkenment   Mar-10-09 08:31 AM   #220 
  - a hero of the poor?  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:14 AM   #15 
  - The political opposition is alive and well in Venezuela  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 11:32 AM   #42 
  - I think Mao did stand for the poor, to an extent that few "people's" dictators have.  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:41 AM   #49 
  - Oh, Mao definitely did stand for the poor  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:52 AM   #59 
     - Pretty much, yes.  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:59 AM   #66 
        - To answer your question in Chinese  hendo   Mar-09-09 12:05 PM   #69 
  - Never mind that the opposition is the wealthiest 5% -  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-09-09 01:17 PM   #93 
  - It's a larger opposition than that  hendo   Mar-09-09 02:35 PM   #111 
  - How much did he win the referendum by? Five, ten points?  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 02:59 PM   #121 
  - Yes, because pointing to the legislature for examples of legitimate rule  hendo   Mar-09-09 05:50 PM   #156 
     - Nope. I'm pointing to the vote. The legislature has nothing to do with it.  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 06:18 PM   #165 
  - OK, it is PRIMARILY the 5% former oligarchs and the industries they  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-09-09 03:26 PM   #128 
  - Thank-you.  robinlynne   Mar-09-09 07:22 PM   #175 
  - Since when is an actual democratically elected leader who goes through official channels  Kitty Herder   Mar-09-09 03:42 PM   #134 
  - Most of Venezuela agrees with you, as do I.  robinlynne   Mar-09-09 07:24 PM   #176 
  - lol.  cali   Mar-09-09 11:01 AM   #2 
  - There are no absolutes in this.  Ikonoklast   Mar-09-09 11:04 AM   #5 
  - A hero to some, a villain to others  marshall   Mar-09-09 04:38 PM   #142 
  - is this has his supporters excuse his killing gays... i dont know  seabeyond   Mar-10-09 06:55 AM   #216 
     - When has he ever killed gays?  Truth2Tell   Mar-10-09 11:56 AM   #223 
        - Heh. By that reasoning, the PM of Spain is a killer.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-10-09 12:41 PM   #228 
           - For that matter, I can't even find any evidence that CASTRO  Truth2Tell   Mar-10-09 01:26 PM   #229 
  - Maria Conchita Alonso  RufusTFirefly   Mar-09-09 11:06 AM   #7 
  - So basically a refuge with money siding with the Republicans.  YOY   Mar-09-09 11:19 AM   #24 
  - It's funny to watch people engaging in thuggish labelling of the opposition  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:24 AM   #30 
     - Oh he's no angel.  YOY   Mar-09-09 11:26 AM   # 
     - I agree. Actually, I confess I find the whole thing somewhat strange. Chavez seems so...  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:30 AM   #40 
        - Much like any dictator he will go away after he "goes stale".  YOY   Mar-09-09 11:36 AM   #47 
        - When the opposition decides to trust to elections instead of CIA funded  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-09-09 01:24 PM   #95 
           - It's not about "maturity" of any ideology  YOY   Mar-09-09 05:07 PM   #145 
        - Salvador Allende was demonized also by the elite and American interests  Cleita   Mar-09-09 12:26 PM   #82 
        - Indeed. The pattern repeats and repeats and repeats  RufusTFirefly   Mar-09-09 01:27 PM   #97 
        - they took care of him alright! RIP n/t  G_j   Mar-09-09 05:15 PM   #148 
        - He seems to need constant attention  NeedleCast   Mar-09-09 12:42 PM   #88 
           - It's actually the other way around. Notice that Chavez didn't write this article.  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 03:39 PM   #132 
              - Put your shingle out as a Chavez-hating, climate-change denying, Iraq War apologist...  RufusTFirefly   Mar-09-09 05:05 PM   #144 
                 - It's remarkable the way they frame him to look like an attention whore  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 05:31 PM   #152 
     - But of course  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:57 AM   #64 
     - You mean, the McCain supporting guest of Hannity and O'Reilly?  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 05:54 PM   #158 
     - Understanding Mara Conchita Alonso's biases is essential for proper interpretation of her comments:  struggle4progress   Mar-09-09 02:57 PM   #119 
     - Ms. Alonso and her brother are not totally disinterested bystanders are they?  rosesaylavee   Mar-09-09 07:19 PM   #174 
     - Calling O'Reilly and Hannity "Republicans"  Truth2Tell   Mar-10-09 12:05 PM   #224 
  - Don't forget she co-starred with Arnie in The Running Man.  OnyxCollie   Mar-09-09 12:47 PM   #91 
  - Republicans start foaming at the mouth when they think of leftist performers,  Judi Lynn   Mar-10-09 06:07 AM   #209 
  - Her brother, Roberto Alonso, is the leading proponent of "guarimba," which means violent protest.  Judi Lynn   Mar-09-09 02:52 PM   #118 
  - That explains a lot. nt  Kitty Herder   Mar-09-09 03:42 PM   #135 
  - The article doesn't mention that she was actually born in Cuba in 1957.  Tanuki   Mar-09-09 11:08 AM   #8 
  - Yes, I suppose she is most likely an enemy of the revolution.  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:11 AM   #10 
  - She moved when she was 5 years old  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:12 AM   #11 
  - Chavez is not a good guy  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:10 AM   #9 
  - A quite Large portion of Venezuela might disagree  Winterblues   Mar-09-09 11:22 AM   # 
  - So what you are saying is that the fact that Bush was elected by a majority of US voters  distantearlywarning   Mar-09-09 11:44 AM   #51 
     - Bush didn't even get a plurality in 2000. nt  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:45 AM   #52 
     - However, in 2004 he got a solid majority. NT  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:46 AM   #54 
     - Certainly. Strong evidence against the claim that a popular vote  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:48 AM   #56 
     - I'm not really sure that Bush would count as a dictator  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:55 AM   # 
        - Depends on what we mean by "dictator."  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 12:10 PM   #71 
     - No, he didn't.  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-09-09 01:26 PM   #96 
        - take off your tin foil hat  hendo   Mar-09-09 02:36 PM   #113 
           - The Carter Center validated the Venezuelan elections -  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-09-09 03:04 PM   #123 
     - Oh, yes, I see now!  distantearlywarning   Mar-09-09 11:53 AM   #60 
     - How dare you attack Saint Chavez  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:45 AM   #53 
     - Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking.  distantearlywarning   Mar-09-09 11:55 AM   #61 
     - Venezuela votes on diebold with paper receipts  Fireweed247   Mar-09-09 01:50 PM   #106 
        - Which works wonders  hendo   Mar-09-09 02:37 PM   #114 
           - Except they use open source software and their elections are monitored  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 02:51 PM   #117 
              - ...AND 55% handcount audit !!!  bvar22   Mar-09-09 11:53 PM   #196 
                 - We should just buy ad space from Skinner: "Don't even ask about Venezuelan elections  EFerrari   Mar-10-09 12:09 AM   #198 
  - How do you know that? I think I would be his lover if he would ever  roody   Mar-10-09 12:19 AM   #201 
  - British journalism is really in decline  wuushew   Mar-09-09 11:12 AM   #12 
  - the media has always been biased  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:16 AM   #18 
  - I used to think perhaps Chavez was good for Venezuela...  liberalmuse   Mar-09-09 11:14 AM   #13 
  - i, too, take any propaganda from (north) american media  ellenfl   Mar-09-09 12:23 PM   #80 
  - I confess to not knowing who is right in the  Le Taz Hot   Mar-09-09 11:14 AM   #14 
  - a good dictator always has a lavish palace to live within. NT  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:16 AM   #20 
  - Hugo Chavez's palace has gold plated toilet seats and chicks with feather fans...  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 11:17 AM   #22 
  - Well, I didn't see anything about gold plated  Le Taz Hot   Mar-09-09 11:22 AM   #27 
  - Mr. Chavez does live ostentatiously for a man who claims to be of the people. nt  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:22 AM   #28 
  - I hear he has a really huge collection of shoes.... like 10,000 pairs or something.  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 11:28 AM   #37 
  - ROFL  On the Road   Mar-09-09 11:48 AM   #55 
  - "The Palace" is an office/housing complex much like the White House is.  ret5hd   Mar-09-09 11:24 AM   #31 
  - I hear that it has a built-in pool constructed out of human skulls!!!!!!  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 11:26 AM   #34 
  - OK  Le Taz Hot   Mar-09-09 11:28 AM   #38 
     - Ever wonder why the article would use the word "palace" as opposed to "office/housing complex"?  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 11:31 AM   #41 
        - Because his residence is called "Miraflores Palace?"  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:43 AM   #50 
           - An excellent point!  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 11:57 AM   #63 
           - Yup, exactly. NT  hendo   Mar-09-09 12:00 PM   #67 
           - So he should have spent even more money on a new residence?  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 12:06 PM   #70 
              - Of course not. Rather, he shouldn't claim to be a man of the people,  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 12:25 PM   #81 
                 - Just as Obama should not claim to represent the people, because  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-09-09 01:34 PM   #100 
           - The question was simply why the news media would call it a "palace." nt  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 12:11 PM   #73 
              - Fortunately my browser shows many of your posts in a thread.  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 12:14 PM   #74 
                 - But does not, apparently, allow you to reply to the one you wished to reply to?  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 12:20 PM   #78 
                    - Do you know anything about the history of the region?  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 12:36 PM   #86 
                       - you mean the history of corrupt politicians in S. America?  hendo   Mar-09-09 02:38 PM   #115 
                          - No actually I was referring to the 'oligarchy' reference.  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 03:15 PM   #126 
                          - hendo has done that all over this thread, hoping that no one understands  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 05:40 PM   #154 
                          - Cool. Please show some evidence of corruption.  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 05:33 PM   #153 
           - Actually, that would be Palacio Miraflores -  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-09-09 01:31 PM   #99 
  - You realize Chavez is the President of Venezuela, right?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-09-09 11:25 AM   #33 
  - My goddess!  Le Taz Hot   Mar-09-09 11:35 AM   #45 
  - The Presidential residence in many countries is called a "palace"  no name no slogan   Mar-09-09 12:42 PM   #89 
  - what's the white house?  Hannah Bell   Mar-09-09 01:23 PM   #94 
  - The white house is also a palace. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-09-09 01:29 PM   #98 
  - It's the presidential palace, the one he was trapped in during the coup against him  killbotfactory   Mar-09-09 01:54 PM   # 
  - I think that's been the case  Dorian Gray   Mar-09-09 02:58 PM   #120 
  - Not so interesting.  wolfgangmo   Mar-10-09 06:44 AM   #214 
  - Hugo Chavez eats children and uses tobacco - He the devil.  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 11:15 AM   #16 
  - Viva Hugo! He is a man of the people who cares only for the welfare  cali   Mar-09-09 11:16 AM   #21 
     - there you go, stirring the pot  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:18 AM   #23 
     - well, yes.  cali   Mar-09-09 11:20 AM   #25 
        - Isn't that called "trolling?"  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-09-09 11:26 AM   #35 
        - not quite  hendo   Mar-09-09 11:49 AM   #57 
           - He evil - just like Ayatollah Khomeini and Kim Jong Il  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 12:16 PM   #76 
           - Prove your contention that he is a dictator. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-09-09 01:36 PM   #101 
        - Oh. My. God.  rosesaylavee   Mar-09-09 07:27 PM   #177 
     - He want to take over the planet earth - and rule for the rest of time ala Ferdinand Marcos  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 11:20 AM   #26 
     - Anyone up for a DU meetup in Venezuela? I am.  roody   Mar-10-09 12:28 AM   #202 
  - if you come from the latin american upper class  maxsolomon   Mar-09-09 11:15 AM   #17 
  - My opinion on Chavez swings back and forth, depending on the day  AyanEva   Mar-09-09 11:16 AM   #19 
  - I think it's possible that  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 11:49 AM   #58 
  - Please identify his "power grab". nt  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-09-09 01:38 PM   #102 
  - I think both - he cares about the poor after his own fashion, he just doesn't understand economics  Donald Ian Rankin   Mar-09-09 12:48 PM   #92 
     - I think you may be on to something.  AyanEva   Mar-09-09 01:42 PM   #103 
     - Chavez is nowhere near as bad as Castro.  Donald Ian Rankin   Mar-09-09 06:13 PM   #162 
        - Anyone up for a DU Cuba meetup? I am.  roody   Mar-10-09 12:30 AM   #203 
     - Perhaps he should take an economics lesson from our experts.  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 03:19 PM   #127 
        - Dupe, delete  Donald Ian Rankin   Mar-09-09 06:12 PM   #161 
        - Yes, he should  Donald Ian Rankin   Mar-09-09 06:15 PM   #163 
  - Hugo Chavez is Pinochet, the Saudis, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden all rolled into one.  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 11:23 AM   #29 
  - edit: errant post, sorry  AyanEva   Mar-09-09 03:27 PM   #129 
  - Chavez killed private enterprise.... he scare me.  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 11:25 AM   #32 
  - Is this like quoting an Iraqi/Cuban exile? Do we know where Alonso's coming from here?  jpgray   Mar-09-09 11:29 AM   #39 
  - Yes, we know where she's coming from. See my post #119 upthread:  struggle4progress   Mar-09-09 03:05 PM   #124 
     - Apparently, some of us have no access to The Google. n/t  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 05:56 PM   #159 
  - Hugo Chavez ate my cat!  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 11:34 AM   #43 
  - No. He ate my cat!  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 11:35 AM   #46 
     - Hugo Chavez Ate My Cat And All I Got Were These 25 Crappy DVDs!  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 11:37 AM   #48 
        - He ate my cat and wrapped it's carcass in a lousy t-shirt.  devilgrrl   Mar-09-09 12:18 PM   #77 
  - Another good reason to ignore celebrities and their outsized yappers**nm  misanthrope   Mar-09-09 11:56 AM   #62 
  - Which one?  distantearlywarning   Mar-09-09 11:58 AM   #65 
     - Well, in this case Penn  hendo   Mar-09-09 12:01 PM   #68 
     - Actually she's of the rich Elite...they ALL hate Chavez because he educated the poor.  vaberella   Mar-10-09 06:12 AM   #211 
        - talk about skewed. they hate cause educated poor? really? all the stuff  seabeyond   Mar-10-09 07:03 AM   #217 
           - Why post if you don't care?  vaberella   Mar-10-09 07:50 AM   #218 
              - it isnt chaves, venzuala.... it is absurdity or dishonesty in post that draws my attention  seabeyond   Mar-10-09 08:38 AM   #221 
                 - Both your posts are nonsensical and the fact that you give an incoherent post  vaberella   Mar-10-09 11:46 AM   #222 
                    - i think it is all quite clear. you say rich angry cause poor educated. all the shit  seabeyond   Mar-10-09 12:28 PM   #227 
     - Take your pick**nm  misanthrope   Mar-10-09 01:31 AM   #207 
  - She weakens her case by overstating it. Chavez is a nasty piece of work, but not a dictator.  Donald Ian Rankin   Mar-09-09 12:10 PM   #72 
  - Who doesn't overstate their case with Chavez?  Occam Bandage   Mar-09-09 12:14 PM   #75 
  - Don't forget the fact that he eats babies. NT  hendo   Mar-09-09 12:22 PM   #79 
  - chavez is a nasty piece of work? why? because the  ellenfl   Mar-09-09 12:33 PM   #84 
  - Some links from various sources.  Donald Ian Rankin   Mar-09-09 12:45 PM   #90 
     - i am not defending chavez, per se, just not going along  ellenfl   Mar-09-09 02:25 PM   #110 
     - yeah, Chavez has lost the plot. So sad...  upi402   Mar-09-09 02:36 PM   #112 
  - What case? She called him names and told Sean Penn to shut up.  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 03:29 PM   #130 
  - So who did he kill? The article doesn't follow up. It was also critical of  Cleita   Mar-09-09 12:31 PM   #83 
  - Don't you get it? It doesn't matter  RufusTFirefly   Mar-09-09 03:36 PM   #131 
     - It amazes me that the headline is a right wing actress telling Sean Penn to shut up  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 03:40 PM   #133 
        - that's about it  G_j   Mar-09-09 05:18 PM   #151 
        - Agreed. This is weird.  rosesaylavee   Mar-09-09 07:32 PM   #178 
  - He is not as bad as some say and not as good as some people praise him for being either  Jennicut   Mar-09-09 12:41 PM   #87 
  - The thing is, you never hear about the good stuff he's done.  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 06:58 PM   #171 
  - Only right wing actors are allowed to have opinions about stuff  killbotfactory   Mar-09-09 01:43 PM   #104 
  - Seriously. LOL. n/t  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 01:45 PM   #105 
  - The hypocrisy line is ridiculous.  Radical Activist   Mar-09-09 01:54 PM   #107 
  - She has the first hand experience of her class trying to overthrow  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 02:09 PM   #109 
  - In the 1920s and 1930s everyone knew what was going on under Stalin and Lenin.  JackRiddler   Mar-09-09 04:09 PM   #139 
     - I really don't believe  Radical Activist   Mar-09-09 05:05 PM   #143 
        - Well I remember it well, young man...  JackRiddler   Mar-09-09 05:08 PM   #146 
           - Really  Radical Activist   Mar-09-09 05:16 PM   #150 
              - Nah, relax.  JackRiddler   Mar-09-09 05:52 PM   #157 
  - But what does Britney Spears think of Obama? Inquiring minds want to know.  JackRiddler   Mar-09-09 01:59 PM   #108 
  - Damn straight we do!!  hendo   Mar-09-09 02:47 PM   #116 
  - Actually, I disagree a bit...  JackRiddler   Mar-09-09 04:06 PM   #137 
  - You are posting your opinions  tkmorris   Mar-09-09 04:06 PM   #138 
     - Unlike them  hendo   Mar-09-09 05:46 PM   #155 
        - No, it just means their opinions draw more attention  tkmorris   Mar-09-09 07:33 PM   #179 
  - That's about the right reaction: Mara Conchita Alonso is desperately seeking attention  struggle4progress   Mar-09-09 09:04 PM   #184 
  - That douchebag reporter first needs to get his facts straight -  bullwinkle428   Mar-09-09 03:01 PM   #122 
  - Rich Venezuelans hate his guts, which is why I put up with him. nt  anonymous171   Mar-09-09 03:08 PM   #125 
  - It seems one's opinion of Chavez is determined (in Venezuela) almost  Kitty Herder   Mar-09-09 03:49 PM   #136 
  - 2008: ACTRESS MARIA CONCHITA ALONSO ENDORSES JOHN McCAIN  JackRiddler   Mar-09-09 04:13 PM   #140 
  - but of course -  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 04:16 PM   #141 
  - LOL  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 05:16 PM   #149 
  - I used to just dislike her. Now I fucking hate her. nt  anonymous171   Mar-09-09 09:57 PM   #189 
  - Her brother, Roberto Alonso, is one of the biggest right-wing tools...  anaxarchos   Mar-10-09 12:31 AM   #204 
     - It's so bizarre because this is ALWAYS the way these stories turn out.  EFerrari   Mar-10-09 12:34 AM   #205 
     - Too bad more people aren't aware that Alonso, a big McCain supporter  Judi Lynn   Mar-10-09 05:19 AM   #208 
  - I love Sean Penn, but I can't agree with him on Chavez. n/t  cynatnite   Mar-09-09 05:13 PM   #147 
  - Who cares what some spoiled-bitch-in-exile thinks about the world's cuddliest demagogue?  bird gerhl   Mar-09-09 06:16 PM   #164 
  - Charleton Heston must have been unavailable.  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 06:21 PM   #167 
  - Chavez is both a hero and a villain  Taverner   Mar-09-09 06:19 PM   #166 
  - Did you forget the smiley?  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 06:22 PM   #168 
  - No - and let me put it this way - he is corrupting in the same direction as Mugabe  Taverner   Mar-09-09 07:33 PM   #180 
     - Except there is no evidence whatsoever that he's tortured anyone.  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 07:46 PM   #182 
     - Today's magic scare phrase: MUGABE!  JackRiddler   Mar-09-09 11:31 PM   #194 
  - FTR - please document your allegation of 'tortures dissidents'.  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 07:01 PM   #173 
  - How many people has Chavez killed?  conscious evolution   Mar-09-09 06:26 PM   #169 
  - How the fuck do the so-called liberals in this site...  Eryemil   Mar-09-09 06:30 PM   #170 
  - We have a cohort of rabid anti socialists.  endarkenment   Mar-09-09 06:58 PM   #172 
  - stimulus - response  JackRiddler   Mar-09-09 08:26 PM   #183 
  - I don't think it's socialism. It looks more like the idea of a little brown guy  EFerrari   Mar-10-09 12:14 AM   #200 
     - You? missing something? Not likely.  endarkenment   Mar-10-09 08:27 AM   #219 
  - Since when do progressives walk in lock-step like the repukes?  cynatnite   Mar-09-09 09:06 PM   #185 
     - Then at least have the decency to be honest about the reasons...  Eryemil   Mar-09-09 09:25 PM   #186 
     - There are a lot of questionable actions he's taken and people have a right to be critical...  cynatnite   Mar-09-09 09:50 PM   #187 
        - What's worth more, baseless accussations and personal feelings  Eryemil   Mar-09-09 10:03 PM   #191 
        - I didn't think it was necessary to post links since this stuff has been discussed...  cynatnite   Mar-09-09 10:26 PM   #192 
           - "You outright dismissed my entire post because you didn't like the content"  Eryemil   Mar-09-09 10:48 PM   #193 
        - The elections in Venezuela are conducted on more transparent systems  EFerrari   Mar-10-09 12:40 AM   #206 
     - What is progressive about taking the word of a right wing celebrity  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 09:55 PM   #188 
        - I wasn't even talking about Maria...  cynatnite   Mar-09-09 09:59 PM   #190 
           - Sure and they don't like him because propaganda works.  EFerrari   Mar-09-09 11:40 PM   #195 
  - 'a dictator and a killer"  LynnTheDem   Mar-09-09 11:54 PM   #197 
  - I saw the Revolution Will Not be Televised...Ms. Alanso is a Repub lover.  vaberella   Mar-10-09 06:11 AM   #210 
  - good  pnutbutr   Mar-10-09 06:14 AM   #212 
  - she is an idiot a repuke and a tool  leftchick   Mar-10-09 06:49 AM   #215 
  - Maria Conchita Alonso should SHUT UP about what she doesn't know about.  Joanne98   Mar-10-09 12:13 PM   #225 
  - There is a huge racial component to this that many overlook  RufusTFirefly   Mar-10-09 12:25 PM   #226 
     - YES! Finally, some else is saying it. n|t  Eryemil   Mar-10-09 04:43 PM   #230 
 

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