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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 09:32 PM
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2. He's gotta' pay. He outta' pay.
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 09:33 PM by whereismyparty
The settlement does not become null and void because of a medical procedure, even if that procedure was elective. Too often, society still views a divorce agreement as a handout to the spouse who is on the financial recieving end (usually a woman). That's just not the case.

I hope the former wife wins this one!
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  -Man agreed to pay alimony to his ex -- but not to the man she became. Now what? LiberalHeart  Mar-27-07 09:27 PM   #0 
  - Gender of the ex-spouse is irrelavent.  LeftyMom   Mar-27-07 09:30 PM   #1 
  - But, if you can't legally be married to somebody of the same sex,  BuyingThyme   Mar-27-07 09:34 PM   #4 
  - The divorce happened prior to the sex change. n/t  whereismyparty   Mar-27-07 09:39 PM   #6 
  - Sure. They were married legally and then they legally divorced.  LeftyMom   Mar-27-07 09:40 PM   #7 
  - Well, the question is to what the contractual obligations are.  BuyingThyme   Mar-27-07 09:53 PM   #14 
  - If, as the article states, he's on the hook until his ex remarries or dies,  LeftyMom   Mar-27-07 10:00 PM   #17 
     - What if the stipulation had to do with marrying or cohabiting  BuyingThyme   Mar-27-07 10:07 PM   #19 
        - Well, here's my suspicion.  LeftyMom   Mar-27-07 10:15 PM   #21 
        - I was assuming that sex changes were widely recognized,  BuyingThyme   Mar-27-07 10:33 PM   #27 
        - It's in Florida  johnnie   Mar-28-07 11:42 AM   #65 
        - Some states have rules/laws that recognize cohabitation in lieu of marriage as grounds for the  Solo_in_MD   Mar-27-07 11:03 PM   #31 
  - He is still the same person she was  treestar   Mar-27-07 11:02 PM   #29 
  - Palimony recognizes alimony like obligations outside of a formal marriage  Solo_in_MD   Mar-27-07 11:00 PM   #28 
     - Yes, sometimes.  BuyingThyme   Mar-27-07 11:04 PM   #32 
  - Not completely irrelvant  slackmaster   Mar-28-07 03:05 PM   #71 
     - Right. As a transgendered man. Sure.  Zhade   Mar-28-07 10:57 PM   #79 
        - My point is that the gender change does change factors used to compute alimony  slackmaster   Mar-29-07 09:01 AM   #90 
  - He's gotta' pay. He outta' pay.  whereismyparty   Mar-27-07 09:32 PM   #2 
  - I'm with you on this.  LiberalHeart   Mar-27-07 09:34 PM   #3 
  - It's arguable that it's hardly elective.  Zhade   Mar-28-07 10:58 PM   #80 
  - He continues to pay.  Hepburn   Mar-27-07 09:35 PM   #5 
  - The alimony agreement was made with a person, not a gender  BattyDem   Mar-27-07 09:41 PM   #8 
  - Alimony, smalimony...  1monster   Mar-27-07 09:41 PM   #9 
  - You know, if two people enter an agreement  kineta   Mar-27-07 09:55 PM   #15 
     - Okay, there is merit to that argument, however, that should be part of the  1monster   Mar-27-07 10:18 PM   #24 
        - agree with you about the terminology  kineta   Mar-27-07 11:26 PM   #35 
  - I can solve this....  hlthe2b   Mar-27-07 09:50 PM   #10 
  - I tend to dislike alimony in all cases.  Warren Stupidity   Mar-27-07 09:50 PM   #11 
  - the alimony should stop - he/she has changed her side of the deal so the guy gets to change his  msongs   Mar-27-07 09:50 PM   #12 
  - what deal was that? nt.  Warren Stupidity   Mar-27-07 09:53 PM   #13 
  - your implying that they had a divorce DEAL that mentioned her/his gender?  kineta   Mar-27-07 09:56 PM   #16 
  - What deal? Still the same person.  uppityperson   Mar-27-07 10:07 PM   #18 
  - If a person goes through a sex change  Katzenkavalier   Mar-28-07 12:59 AM   #42 
     - dicksteele says it well in post #41  uppityperson   Mar-28-07 10:50 AM   #50 
     - When a person goes through a sex change do they still carry their debt  mondo joe   Mar-28-07 11:17 AM   #57 
  - He's still the ex-wife.  LeftyMom   Mar-27-07 10:08 PM   #20 
  - And if my landlord gets a sex change I can stop paying my rent, too!  dicksteele   Mar-27-07 10:24 PM   #25 
  - LOL  kineta   Mar-27-07 11:27 PM   #36 
  - Your landlord/tenant relationship was not dependent upon your  Laurier   Mar-28-07 12:19 AM   #40 
     - Kinda my point. That alimony agreement is not dependent on gender, either.  dicksteele   Mar-28-07 12:51 AM   #41 
     - I have to disagree with your assertion that the terms of the marriage are irrelevant .  Laurier   Mar-28-07 01:17 AM   #45 
     - once the marriage is ended why the hell should gender matter?  kineta   Mar-28-07 11:07 AM   #51 
     - I disagree.  Laurier   Mar-28-07 10:52 PM   #78 
     - no, the decision about alimony is based on the deal the couple makes -  mondo joe   Mar-28-07 11:26 AM   #61 
     - Duplicate - deleted  Laurier   Mar-28-07 01:19 AM   #46 
        - And we all know that nothing rhymes with "orage".  dicksteele   Mar-28-07 01:41 AM   #47 
           - Because the obligation to one's spouse is not the same as one's  Laurier   Mar-28-07 10:32 PM   #77 
              - Again you show some peculiar difficulties with reading comprehension.  dicksteele   Mar-28-07 11:54 PM   #88 
     - Neither is the divorce relationship.  mondo joe   Mar-28-07 11:10 AM   #52 
     - Neither was the alimony order.  Zhade   Mar-28-07 11:05 PM   #82 
  - it's the same person  shatter   Mar-27-07 11:02 PM   #30 
  - Are you sure you are liberal?  jesus_of_suburbia   Mar-27-07 11:30 PM   #37 
  - Were there terms in the deal referring to genitalia?  mondo joe   Mar-28-07 11:16 AM   #56 
  - You're wrong.  Zhade   Mar-28-07 11:00 PM   #81 
  - Does he now call him a "bloodsucking prick" rather than a...  mitchum   Mar-27-07 10:16 PM   #22 
  - Interesting semantic awkwardness: SHE no longer exists to pay alimony to. LOL!  BlooInBloo   Mar-27-07 10:17 PM   #23 
  - Pay it and like it.  Forkboy   Mar-27-07 10:29 PM   #26 
  - Would a self-respecting man take that alimony? Heh.  WinkyDink   Mar-27-07 11:09 PM   #33 
  - Ouch!  BuyingThyme   Mar-27-07 11:16 PM   #34 
  - What bullshit. *I know you were kidding though*  jesus_of_suburbia   Mar-27-07 11:33 PM   #38 
     - OMG. Like this Democratic flaming Liberal WOMAN doesn't know or think that.  WinkyDink   Mar-28-07 01:11 AM   #44 
  - Interesting.  Laurier   Mar-28-07 12:15 AM   #39 
  - Another reminder why I will probably never get married  RagingInMiami   Mar-28-07 01:09 AM   #43 
  - Is alimony at all based on  spoony   Mar-28-07 03:36 AM   #48 
  - If you think transgendered persons are treated better than women...  Zhade   Mar-28-07 11:09 PM   #83 
     - Lol, LoZoccolo was so dead on about you.  spoony   Mar-29-07 03:41 AM   #89 
  - Why is ANYONE still being awarded "Alimony?" until death or remarriage  alphafemale   Mar-28-07 03:48 AM   #49 
  - I think it depends on what you think marriage is.  mondo joe   Mar-28-07 11:14 AM   #54 
  - here's my question: Why does someone who can afford such an elective surgery  ComerPerro   Mar-28-07 11:13 AM   #53 
  - Alimony isn't welfare. NT  mondo joe   Mar-28-07 11:15 AM   #55 
     - true, but what reason could there be for the husband to have to keep paying  ComerPerro   Mar-28-07 11:21 AM   #59 
        - Because it doesn't have to do with "hurting for finances".  mondo joe   Mar-28-07 11:23 AM   #60 
           - well, whatever. IMO, alimony and child support is all bullshit anyway  ComerPerro   Mar-28-07 11:33 AM   #63 
              - Child support is bullshit? What do you mean?  uppityperson   Mar-28-07 03:03 PM   #70 
              - Child support is bullshit?  Zhade   Mar-28-07 11:13 PM   #84 
  - By this reasoning, if you get a sex change you can abandon all your debt.  mondo joe   Mar-28-07 11:19 AM   #58 
  - What a fat (and ignorant) pig.  BlueIris   Mar-28-07 11:29 AM   #62 
  - Do we know he's fat? Should fat be an insult?  Zhade   Mar-28-07 11:14 PM   #85 
  - I think if she can afford to become a he, ...  CRH   Mar-28-07 11:37 AM   #64 
  - Alimony is not generally a needs based arrangement.  mondo joe   Mar-28-07 01:25 PM   #66 
  - Alimony is an acknowledgment of a spouses contribution to the marriage  Rosemary2205   Mar-28-07 01:34 PM   #67 
  - I don't think people here understand what alimony is  gollygee   Mar-28-07 01:41 PM   #68 
  - He is a he. Deal with it.  Zhade   Mar-28-07 11:15 PM   #86 
  - I don't understand why anyone would think it would make any difference at all  gollygee   Mar-28-07 01:50 PM   #69 
     - Men still earn more money than women  slackmaster   Mar-28-07 03:08 PM   #72 
        - Yeah because transgendered people have a really easy time  gollygee   Mar-28-07 03:11 PM   #73 
           - Only if they disclose that they are transgendered  slackmaster   Mar-28-07 03:23 PM   #74 
           - Do you think it's that easy to keep a secret?  gollygee   Mar-28-07 03:29 PM   #75 
              - I'm not assuming anything about this individual  slackmaster   Mar-28-07 03:41 PM   #76 
           - THANK you. It's like some people are blind to the discrimination Ts get EVERY DAY.  Zhade   Mar-28-07 11:16 PM   #87 
 

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