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143. Now is chaos, the future and what will emerge from this is unclear...
But let us count some blessings, at least...

We have the fact that Bush stepped down. That is at least a sign that our
democracy survived, at least for the moment. I was seriously concerned he/they
might attempt a coup. No joke. If you ever studied about the Stalinist purges,
you will have some appreciation of how serious that could have been. Violent
protests and some civil unrest are utterly insignificant in comparison. Yet I do
not believe for one second we are completely out of dangerous woods, much damage has
been done, and it is not clear how or if it will be repaired. So if you would keep
your liberty, be always vigilant.

We have a brilliant new president Obama. We are unbelievably lucky to get someone
of his ability. He ain't anywhere near as progressive as me, or even of most
of the DU. And some things are even troubling. Still, we can at least breath again.
So that is welcome.

The economy is a serious concern, but nothing compared to a world police state.
My parents and grandparents lived through the great depression, and all my life
told me stories. We were poor, clergy and teachers. Things will be hard, dramatic
adjustments in lifestyle, some grave hardships, some violence, but for most, survivable.
Thoreau said "simplify". That is a key. Help each other. That is a key.
Necessity is a great teacher. Let us become students of necessity.

As for the future, it is the undiscovered country. We leap into that darkness always in hope.
But all is not lost, for we now have at least a chance. Our children have a chance.
To make what we can of it.

Thanks for the excellent comments.
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  -DID YOU JUST HEAR THAT? "from late 2001-January 19, 2009, this country was a dictatorship" originalpckelly  Mar-04-09 07:17 PM   #0 
  - Sheldon Whitehouse to be on next.  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:19 PM   #1 
  - Smart man. Do you have a link?  midnight   Mar-04-09 07:31 PM   #21 
  - On now n/t  malaise   Mar-04-09 07:37 PM   #27 
  - Scott Horton wrote about law professors who looked at Yoo memos and others.  Hissyspit   Mar-04-09 07:19 PM   #2 
  - Last November during election night, I was speaking with  midnight   Mar-04-09 07:35 PM   #23 
  - We were not crazy  malaise   Mar-04-09 07:19 PM   #3 
  - No, we were not crazy;  elleng   Mar-04-09 07:22 PM   #7 
  - I regret i cannot answer that question on the advice from my attorney.  AlCzervik   Mar-04-09 07:38 PM   #28 
  - alot of " I do not recalls"  bdamomma   Mar-04-09 07:48 PM   #37 
     - "I do not recall" = "I'm obstructing justice"  SemperEadem   Mar-05-09 12:17 PM   #94 
  - There was a coup and yes, a dictatorship, We knew that. nt  live love laugh   Mar-05-09 07:13 AM   #80 
  - Yes we did.  The Hope Mobile   Mar-05-09 10:38 AM   #82 
  - Right . . . and we're still using the computers -- and the Supremes are still in play --- !!!  defendandprotect   Mar-05-09 03:38 PM   #111 
  - Yes. the fear and energy level was really high during the elections. We knew.  glinda   Mar-05-09 03:43 PM   #115 
  - and if so the Democratic Party had years to fight it, but did not. nt  terisan   Mar-04-09 07:21 PM   #4 
  - Complicit n/t  leftstreet   Mar-04-09 07:22 PM   #6 
     - Yes, that's a problem.  polichick   Mar-04-09 07:27 PM   #14 
     - The big burning question: If this was a dictatorship...  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:46 PM   #33 
        - No kidding, eh. n/t  TBF   Mar-04-09 08:17 PM   #48 
        - They didn't let him - the numbers were too large to pull off another steal.  polichick   Mar-04-09 11:27 PM   #69 
        - I will endorse this theory imho nt  wroberts189   Mar-05-09 11:17 AM   #84 
        - What would they be afraid of? People in the streets rioting?  readmoreoften   Mar-05-09 01:38 PM   #101 
        - U.S. voting is handled by the states - not enough corrupt officials and too many...  polichick   Mar-05-09 02:22 PM   #104 
        - I believe you are right. nt  Enthusiast   Mar-05-09 05:14 PM   #127 
        - The knew it and want Obama to take the rap.  sallyseven   Mar-05-09 11:41 AM   #90 
        - I guess we're going to find out why . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Mar-05-09 03:39 PM   #112 
        - You got to hold down the three Ms for any dictatorship  napoleon_in_rags   Mar-05-09 04:41 PM   #122 
        - They lost the Military, too.  Demeter   Mar-05-09 06:10 PM   #134 
        - I think the players had  Enthusiast   Mar-05-09 05:13 PM   #126 
        - They Had a Busted Flush at the BFEE  Demeter   Mar-05-09 06:08 PM   #133 
     - they played politics  iamthebandfanman   Mar-05-09 01:51 PM   #103 
  - US may have been in a dictatorship?  Jeep789   Mar-04-09 07:22 PM   #5 
  - 'we' knew  spanone   Mar-04-09 07:30 PM   #20 
  - Damn straight  conscious evolution   Mar-04-09 10:59 PM   #66 
  - Those of us who weren't watching American Idol or listening 24/7 to  kestrel91316   Mar-04-09 07:48 PM   #36 
  - Some of us watched American Idol and still knew...  TBF   Mar-04-09 08:23 PM   #53 
  - Personally, I never thought of us as a dictatorship. I thought we were a Kleptocracy.  Moonwalk   Mar-05-09 11:31 AM   #89 
  - What's the analyst part?  BuyingThyme   Mar-04-09 07:22 PM   #8 
  - ?  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:23 PM   #9 
  - I'm MSNBC challenged.  BuyingThyme   Mar-04-09 07:24 PM   #11 
     - Well, they'll post it on the webs.  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:27 PM   #13 
     - try this  JimboDem   Mar-04-09 08:48 PM   #62 
  - I updated the original post with the quote from Scott Horton.  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:43 PM   #30 
     - Thank you very much.  BuyingThyme   Mar-04-09 07:46 PM   #34 
     - Why?  dgibby   Mar-04-09 10:39 PM   #64 
     - Those are questions I've been asking for over a year now. Ever since they kicked Edwards to the curb  earth mom   Mar-05-09 02:28 AM   #74 
  - But it won't be public. I believe it'll be behind closed doors.  muntrv   Mar-04-09 07:24 PM   #10 
  - Yep, no cameras allowed, per last few moment on KO...  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:28 PM   #15 
  - I'm sick of "behind closed doors". Open the doors! n/t  TBF   Mar-04-09 08:23 PM   #54 
  - ..and let the sunshine in reason for closed doors except lawbreaking. nt  wroberts189   Mar-05-09 11:19 AM   #85 
  - We have to demand open hearings on this --- !!!  defendandprotect   Mar-05-09 03:40 PM   #114 
  - Dictatorship? How did that election thingy fit in...  Buzz Clik   Mar-04-09 07:26 PM   #12 
  - The same way the PAN got it in Mexico  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-04-09 07:30 PM   #19 
  - Dictablanda? ok, here is wiki for everyone else who has to look  TBF   Mar-04-09 08:21 PM   #51 
     - sounds like a combination of Mike Ditka and George Blanda  hfojvt   Mar-05-09 03:28 AM   #76 
  - In the original Roman context, it most certainly was a dictatorship.  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:34 PM   #22 
  - I still worry about the emergency  malaise   Mar-04-09 07:49 PM   #38 
  - Flase flag operation. I quit visiting the 9/11 forum a long time ago...  truth2power   Mar-05-09 01:09 PM   #100 
  - Bush could do anything he wanted  hfojvt   Mar-05-09 03:34 AM   #77 
  - Dictatorial governments can be voted in.  Pacifist Patriot   Mar-05-09 12:52 PM   #98 
  - Is Olberman and Maddow streamed live or only videos? anyone know how to connect?  peacetalksforall   Mar-04-09 07:28 PM   #16 
  - MSNBC doesn't stream live, only posts videos after the fact and offers a downloadable podcast.  Berry Cool   Mar-04-09 08:09 PM   #41 
     - MSNBC Stream  JimboDem   Mar-04-09 08:47 PM   #61 
  - You said it!  chollybocker   Mar-04-09 07:28 PM   #17 
  - US a dictatorship? NAH, that tinfoil has gone back to the US national supply  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-04-09 07:29 PM   #18 
  - In the classical Roman sense of dictator, even overtly...  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:35 PM   #24 
  - I know, I want TRIALS  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-04-09 07:36 PM   #25 
     - It's beyond that now. Obama quotes Lincoln's house divided speech.  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:37 PM   #26 
        - Well we crossed the Rubicon in 2003 or so  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-04-09 07:38 PM   #29 
           - Read Roman history, the republic died long ago...  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:45 PM   #31 
              - Yes, but just like Roman History  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-04-09 08:08 PM   #40 
              - And Bush crossed the Rubicon.  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 08:09 PM   #42 
                 - According to Rupert in 2003  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-04-09 08:12 PM   #43 
              - I've been listening to my mom talk about it since the early 70's -  TBF   Mar-04-09 08:26 PM   #55 
  - Been wearing my tricorner hat since I got to DU in late March 2001  tom_paine   Mar-04-09 11:37 PM   #70 
     - Truer words were never written..  Fumesucker   Mar-05-09 11:30 AM   #88 
     - Heavy duty thinkin' there, Tom.  Enthusiast   Mar-05-09 05:21 PM   #129 
  - Whaaaaaaat? n/t  NOW tense   Mar-04-09 07:46 PM   #32 
  - Yeeees, dictatorship.  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 07:47 PM   #35 
     - Bush should be put in house arrest this second. n/t  NOW tense   Mar-04-09 07:54 PM   #39 
        - Yes. n/t  TBF   Mar-04-09 08:29 PM   #57 
        - Should be but won't be. I wonder why not?  SammyWinstonJack   Mar-05-09 12:46 PM   #95 
  - So, technically, what stopped it from being a 'dictatorship' 1/19/09?  leftstreet   Mar-04-09 08:12 PM   #44 
  - And how did Obama get to power without being corrupted?  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 08:16 PM   #46 
  - We know from Obama's book (the 2nd one) that he did some meeting  TBF   Mar-04-09 08:19 PM   #50 
  - My guess is that there are entities more powerful than the pitiful Republican party  readmoreoften   Mar-05-09 01:43 PM   #102 
  - Perhaps we just switched dictators.  hugo_from_TN   Mar-05-09 05:18 PM   #128 
  - Late 2001?  Sebastian Doyle   Mar-04-09 08:14 PM   #45 
  - And what about the CIA? It's not like this shit just started yesterday...  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 08:17 PM   #47 
     - The CIA has always been an extension of the Bush Crime Family  Sebastian Doyle   Mar-04-09 08:18 PM   #49 
     - There's alot about the CIA that has leaked out over the years.  TBF   Mar-04-09 08:27 PM   #56 
  - no- it was a dick-tatorship. as in cheney.  dysfunctional press   Mar-04-09 08:23 PM   #52 
  - Which begs the question, especially given the 2006 election results...  Cerridwen   Mar-04-09 08:35 PM   #58 
  - Yeah, a few more subpoenas would be helpful. n/t  TBF   Mar-04-09 08:37 PM   #60 
  - Quite a "few." n/t  Cerridwen   Mar-04-09 11:00 PM   #67 
  - Well...I'll take a venture at a couple more questions...  Adsos Letter   Mar-04-09 11:02 PM   #68 
     - Uh, huh. Those would be a couple of the others I was thinking of.  Cerridwen   Mar-05-09 03:46 PM   #116 
  - Actually the deal was between Conyers and Obama.  GeorgeGist   Mar-04-09 08:37 PM   #59 
  - That and taking money from PACs,,,  originalpckelly   Mar-04-09 09:28 PM   #63 
  - A dictatorship usually follows a coup d'etat.  baldguy   Mar-04-09 10:54 PM   #65 
  - You have the date wrong, it occured earlier.  scubadude   Mar-05-09 03:14 AM   #75 
     - The USSC decree made it "legal".  baldguy   Mar-05-09 05:40 AM   #79 
     - I remember it well, Scuba.  Enthusiast   Mar-05-09 05:25 PM   #131 
  - Bush's (p)residency had all the makings of a dictatorship, absolutely.  Initech   Mar-04-09 11:47 PM   #71 
  - Yup. +1 Intech. nt  Enthusiast   Mar-05-09 05:26 PM   #132 
  - are you surprised  WhiteTara   Mar-04-09 11:57 PM   #72 
  - No shit Sherlock. Most of us here on DU knew it was a dictatorship with a complicit Congress.  earth mom   Mar-05-09 02:26 AM   #73 
  - Just posted this in the Political Videos forum for those who may have missed it.  Turborama   Mar-05-09 03:40 AM   #78 
  - Why is Yoo still teaching? I wouldn't want him teaching my son. n/t  dmr   Mar-05-09 10:36 AM   #81 
  - Not quite the same things as a dictatorship.  Orsino   Mar-05-09 10:46 AM   #83 
  - Yeah, like, you didn't know that? n/t  RJ Connors   Mar-05-09 11:27 AM   #86 
  - Duh... been shouting "Fire!" for some time....  Piewhacket   Mar-05-09 11:27 AM   #87 
  - I'd like to know what exactly made them  jimshoes   Mar-05-09 04:49 PM   #124 
     - Why have a "formal" public coup when you can accomplish your goals without one?  bertman   Mar-05-09 08:49 PM   #138 
        - It could have been worse???  Piewhacket   Mar-07-09 04:40 AM   #140 
           - Piewhacket, my opinion is that our democratic institutions have been tested and MAY NOT  bertman   Mar-07-09 01:46 PM   #142 
              - Now is chaos, the future and what will emerge from this is unclear...  Piewhacket   Mar-08-09 04:48 AM   #143 
  - May? nt  Javaman   Mar-05-09 11:46 AM   #91 
  - Dubya, dubya, uber alles...  infidel dog   Mar-05-09 12:15 PM   #92 
  - yeah... and Bush even joked about how much easier it would be if it were a dictatorship, too  SemperEadem   Mar-05-09 12:15 PM   #93 
  - And exactly what rights have been "restored" as of now?  Lyric   Mar-05-09 12:50 PM   #96 
  - are we surprised really?? it was obvious * was doing whateverthehell he wanted..  windbreeze   Mar-05-09 12:51 PM   #97 
  - It still is  guitar man   Mar-05-09 01:03 PM   #99 
  - Didn't smeghead Bush say that he wanted a dictatorship?  RoccoR5955   Mar-05-09 02:52 PM   #105 
  - I was called a tinfoil hatter many times during those eight years and I want an apology.  sarcasmo   Mar-05-09 02:54 PM   #106 
  - SQUEAK!!!!  MadrasT   Mar-05-09 02:56 PM   #107 
  - Bullshit. It WAS/IS/HAS BEEN a Corporate Oligarchy.  Vilis Veritas   Mar-05-09 03:27 PM   #108 
  - PROCECUTE!!  Xenotime   Mar-05-09 03:29 PM   #109 
  - Rove and Meirs under oath? "A deal . . . ??  defendandprotect   Mar-05-09 03:34 PM   #110 
  - If it had been a dictatorship...  Fountain79   Mar-05-09 03:39 PM   #113 
  - What would you call it then?  Towlie   Mar-05-09 03:59 PM   #117 
  - Happens all the time.  BuyingThyme   Mar-05-09 06:11 PM   #135 
  - You had to be told that??  dkofos   Mar-05-09 04:00 PM   #118 
  - Yep.  Kurovski   Mar-05-09 04:10 PM   #119 
  - They ACTED AS DICTATORSHIP, but a memo doesn't suspend the Constitution!!!! nt  2 Much Tribulation   Mar-05-09 04:15 PM   #120 
  - No, the Patriot Act took care of that.  Initech   Mar-06-09 12:18 AM   #139 
  - I got some hanging trees in my back yard...  RedCloud   Mar-05-09 04:33 PM   #121 
  - of course, it all started with an illigitimate aborted election. Thank Tony "the reign-maker" Skalia  JohnWxy   Mar-05-09 04:48 PM   #123 
  - K & R nt  Christa   Mar-05-09 05:07 PM   #125 
  - what do they mean we didn't realize it?  Generic Other   Mar-05-09 05:22 PM   #130 
  - you don't say?  harmonicon   Mar-05-09 06:34 PM   #136 
  - Yes I did know that! One third of this country are fascists!  santamargarita   Mar-05-09 07:54 PM   #137 
  - old news... Heard it on DU in 2001 after 9/11 and every month since.  Kip Humphrey   Mar-07-09 06:47 AM   #141 

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