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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:33 AM
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30. Physical contact without consent is usually classed as an assault.
But give someone a badge - even a plastic one - and its OK all of a sudden.
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  -Do you think getting patted down entering a stadium is unconstitutional? cboy4  Mar-03-09 03:55 AM   #0 
  - Fuck that shit.  Jamastiene   Mar-03-09 04:18 AM   #1 
  - Who says that?  ReliantJ   Mar-03-09 07:22 PM   #83 
  - I wouldn't think it's unconstitutional, but it's not necessary.  KillCapitalism   Mar-03-09 04:19 AM   #2 
  - It's not a constitutional issue, it's just a waste of time.  LeftyMom   Mar-03-09 04:26 AM   #3 
  - No.  MrSlayer   Mar-03-09 04:42 AM   #4 
  - You don't know that it's not unconstitutional ... the Court wasn't  cboy4   Mar-03-09 05:00 AM   #6 
     - There is precedent.  MrSlayer   Mar-03-09 05:19 AM   #8 
        - This isn't being argued in the United States Supreme Court  cboy4   Mar-03-09 05:42 AM   #10 
           - The fact that CA specifically covers intrusions by businesses and individuals  Occam Bandage   Mar-03-09 07:21 PM   #81 
              - Yea, you would think.....but who knows how the courts are going  cboy4   Mar-03-09 09:45 PM   #89 
  - There may be a lot of issues here but Constitutionality is not one of them.  RJ Connors   Mar-03-09 04:45 AM   #5 
  - the court "reaffirmed that businesses can't present privacy invasions  cboy4   Mar-03-09 05:06 AM   #7 
  - It depends  izquierdista   Mar-03-09 05:23 AM   #9 
  - Not unless attendance is compulsory. This is one of the many issues that has  Greyhound   Mar-03-09 06:16 AM   #11 
  - Yes, I agree but that's never going to happen when it comes  cboy4   Mar-03-09 06:25 AM   #12 
     - I think you're right. If watching guys run around playing with various balls  Greyhound   Mar-03-09 07:23 AM   #14 
     - Yea, I was just going to bring up the 1972 decision, but I  cboy4   Mar-03-09 07:53 AM   #15 
     - So then that's it.  Iggo   Mar-03-09 09:45 AM   #36 
  - They are probably checking or glass containers - they hate those things  old mark   Mar-03-09 06:47 AM   #13 
  - If I choose to fly by default I also choose to go through security  stray cat   Mar-03-09 07:55 AM   #16 
  - I Went To A Basketball Game At Amway Arena (Orlando)  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-09 07:55 AM   #17 
  - It's supposedly a National Football League policy.  cboy4   Mar-03-09 08:01 AM   #18 
     - That's Good  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-09 08:06 AM   #19 
  - We went to a Timberwolves game this past Sunday  MineralMan   Mar-03-09 08:44 AM   #20 
  - And then what happens if someone brings in a gun?  ecstatic   Mar-03-09 08:48 AM   #21 
  - You don't know that, which makes it irresponsible for you  cboy4   Mar-03-09 09:28 AM   #28 
  - The real reason for patting people down is to protect the monopoly of stadium concessionaires  slackmaster   Mar-03-09 08:50 AM   #22 
  - I agree that the "pat down" is a violation of my rights. My next question,  madinmaryland   Mar-03-09 08:56 AM   #23 
  - Maybe in other states, but if I read this correctly, it seems the  cboy4   Mar-03-09 09:09 AM   #25 
     - I am assuming the "pat down" is primarily an effort to stop people from  madinmaryland   Mar-03-09 09:28 AM   #27 
  - If it is a publicly financed stadium  conscious evolution   Mar-03-09 09:06 AM   #24 
  - this is something I'd like the courts to address  Bill McBlueState   Mar-03-09 09:40 AM   #31 
  - If football fans weren's such a bunch of pushovers there wouldn't be a pat down policy.  Gormy Cuss   Mar-03-09 09:21 AM   #26 
  - Unless the stadium is a government institution, I don't see how it's unconstitutional.  Veritas_et_Aequitas   Mar-03-09 09:31 AM   #29 
  - most stadiums aren't technically government institutions  Bill McBlueState   Mar-03-09 09:42 AM   #33 
     - I hadn't thought of that. Good point. nt  Veritas_et_Aequitas   Mar-03-09 01:07 PM   #47 
  - Physical contact without consent is usually classed as an assault.  baldguy   Mar-03-09 09:33 AM   #30 
  - Well, technically it's battery .. but yes. I agree.  cboy4   Mar-03-09 10:09 AM   #39 
  - Americans are easy to train unfortunately.  mmonk   Mar-03-09 09:42 AM   #32 
  - no because  tabbycat31   Mar-03-09 09:42 AM   #34 
  - Please introduce yourself to California law, which was cited  cboy4   Mar-03-09 10:07 AM   #38 
  - I'm not familar with CA law  tabbycat31   Mar-03-09 10:53 AM   #41 
  - How? Since for a private citizen to pat you down w/o consent is assault.  benEzra   Mar-03-09 03:46 PM   #48 
     - If you're trying to enter a private business where this is the policy,  Critters2   Mar-03-09 07:09 PM   #71 
        - But if you're already in store X (and weren't searched to get in),  benEzra   Mar-03-09 07:15 PM   #77 
  - Until they develop a beach ball detector I'm all for it nt  wtmusic   Mar-03-09 09:43 AM   #35 
  - Why I cancelled my season tickets.....  Bennyboy   Mar-03-09 09:47 AM   #37 
  - I get patted down at almost every concert I see.  bunnies   Mar-03-09 10:09 AM   #40 
  - I'm surprised the vote is as close as it is.....I would have thought  cboy4   Mar-03-09 11:01 AM   #42 
  - Where can I join this class?  Missy Vixen   Mar-03-09 11:38 AM   #43 
  - You should contact your ACLU in Seattle ... The ACLU  cboy4   Mar-03-09 01:01 PM   #45 
  - What I think is unconstitutional is the double standard/application of pat downs.  -..__...   Mar-03-09 12:03 PM   #44 
  - I think there's some ground between choices 1 and 2.  lumberjack_jeff   Mar-03-09 01:04 PM   #46 
  - No. You are entering their private property.  JamesA1102   Mar-03-09 03:52 PM   #49 
  - Is "private property" paid for by local taxes?  Missy Vixen   Mar-03-09 04:26 PM   #51 
  - Candlestick Park is public property owned and operated by  cboy4   Mar-03-09 05:35 PM   #53 
     - Question. Since you indicated CP is public property, would it not be treated  madinmaryland   Mar-03-09 06:38 PM   #61 
        - Well first of all, the Federal Aviation Administration is responsible  cboy4   Mar-03-09 06:53 PM   #63 
           - Interestingly, maybe the FAA should be  madinmaryland   Mar-03-09 07:09 PM   #72 
              - I did not .. pm me the link  cboy4   Mar-03-09 07:18 PM   #78 
  - Breach of contract, not a constiutional issue.  geek tragedy   Mar-03-09 03:54 PM   #50 
  - What about the 1972 California law of right to privacy?  cboy4   Mar-03-09 05:38 PM   #54 
     - So, your OP was asking whether this is Constitutional under your state Constitution?  Critters2   Mar-03-09 07:10 PM   #74 
     - Yea, I should have worded the poll different ... But if people had  cboy4   Mar-03-09 09:50 PM   #90 
     - Not licensed to practice in California.  geek tragedy   Mar-03-09 07:59 PM   #88 
     - The 49'ers could and they will along with the NFL argue before the Supreme Court (should it get ther  rpannier   Mar-04-09 01:06 AM   #94 
        - Yea, if it were to get to the SCOTUS, you may be right.  cboy4   Mar-04-09 06:41 AM   #99 
  - Not if you do it.  Behind the Aegis   Mar-03-09 04:30 PM   #52 
  - I'd make sure nothing got past me.  cboy4   Mar-03-09 05:39 PM   #55 
  - I have no issues with being "patted down"  bigwillq   Mar-03-09 05:44 PM   #56 
  - say what?  Two Americas   Mar-03-09 05:51 PM   #57 
     - Well, you don't.  bigwillq   Mar-03-09 05:58 PM   #58 
        - really  Two Americas   Mar-03-09 06:39 PM   #62 
        - Not if people are moaning  bigwillq   Mar-03-09 07:02 PM   #67 
           - it is a common right wing theme  Two Americas   Mar-03-09 07:10 PM   #73 
              - You said it perfectly...better than myself.  cboy4   Mar-03-09 07:15 PM   #76 
              - It's just something I believe in.  bigwillq   Mar-03-09 07:32 PM   #85 
        - Well then why don't we just eliminate the fourth amendment of  cboy4   Mar-03-09 06:57 PM   #65 
        - I'm blown away by a lot of things I read  bigwillq   Mar-03-09 07:04 PM   #68 
           - Yea whatever dude. I never said I think you should go work for  cboy4   Mar-03-09 07:50 PM   #86 
           - no, not at all  Two Americas   Mar-04-09 12:32 AM   #93 
        - You're joking, right?  Missy Vixen   Mar-04-09 04:59 PM   #106 
  - Hey, I only get patted down on my own terms. Are these guards hookers?  Deja Q   Mar-03-09 06:07 PM   #59 
  - I think it depends on a few things  GA_ArmyVet   Mar-03-09 06:27 PM   #60 
  - What about this?  cboy4   Mar-03-09 07:00 PM   #66 
     - If that is the case, then indeed it would violate the  GA_ArmyVet   Mar-03-09 07:07 PM   #70 
  - When the Constitution was intact it was.  omega minimo   Mar-03-09 06:55 PM   #64 
  - I think that claiming the Constitution is intended to regulate the NFL  Occam Bandage   Mar-03-09 07:22 PM   #82 
     - the question was "getting patted down entering a stadium..." the answer stands  omega minimo   Mar-03-09 07:32 PM   #84 
  - If it's not a government agency doing it, it isn't a Constitutional issue.  Critters2   Mar-03-09 07:06 PM   #69 
  - That's true about the 4th amendment, which is why in California:  cboy4   Mar-03-09 07:13 PM   #75 
  - I have a problem with it, but it's not a Constitutional question. On edit: And I don't live in CA,  Occam Bandage   Mar-03-09 07:19 PM   #79 
  - It's their event  Politicalboi   Mar-03-09 07:20 PM   #80 
  - So if they decided to start feeling up people going into the  cboy4   Mar-03-09 07:53 PM   #87 
     - Yep, that's right. You don't like a business's policies, don't go to that business. nt  Critters2   Mar-04-09 12:05 AM   #91 
        - That's outrageous. What if they started strip searching people  cboy4   Mar-04-09 06:36 AM   #98 
           - Well, I don't know about you, but I'd shop somewhere else. nt  Critters2   Mar-04-09 11:17 AM   #103 
              - So if a grocery store started selling Ku Klux Klan merchandise and  cboy4   Mar-04-09 03:28 PM   #104 
                 - Actually, shopping somewhere else is a boycott. nt  Critters2   Mar-04-09 04:39 PM   #105 
                    - So just boycott and do nothing else huh?  cboy4   Mar-05-09 02:34 AM   #107 
                       - Who are you boycotting to to get DADT lifted?  Critters2   Mar-05-09 02:29 PM   #108 
  - It's not unconstitutional since the 49ers are not a federal entity  rpannier   Mar-04-09 12:09 AM   #92 
  - I don't like it  Raine   Mar-04-09 03:10 AM   #95 
  - Too bad it's probably too late to redo the poll questions  eridani   Mar-04-09 03:13 AM   #96 
  - Do they pat down the participants of the game?  Ikonoklast   Mar-04-09 05:12 AM   #97 
     - Don't know if they're packing as they walk into the stadium,  cboy4   Mar-04-09 06:44 AM   #100 
        - Do they check under hats?  Ikonoklast   Mar-04-09 06:48 AM   #101 
           - .....  cboy4   Mar-04-09 07:20 AM   #102 

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