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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #79
83. That's not the assumption.
The assumption is it's unlikely that the meat industry will or will be able to adopt the reforms you suggest if the demand for meat continues at its current level or, given population increase, increases. Reducing the consumption of meat would appear to be the quickest way to address the environmental devastation caused by eating meat.
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  -The UN, PETA, and Scientific American on the devastating consequences of eating meat Karmadillo  Mar-02-09 12:09 PM   #0 
  - Ummm...steak.  jmg257   Mar-02-09 12:11 PM   #1 
  - What a great seat I got for this one.  flvegan   Mar-02-09 12:11 PM   #2 
  - you like to get in for a good seat early, don't you.  MrsBrady   Mar-02-09 06:40 PM   #51 
  - The only cool vegatrian I have ever met refused to eat meat because she  anonymous171   Mar-02-09 12:11 PM   #3 
  - THERE! That is THE reason for going veg[etari]an.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-02-09 01:37 PM   #24 
  - The only cool one, eh?  AndrewP   Mar-02-09 03:42 PM   #42 
  - We haven't met  Raine   Mar-02-09 07:28 PM   #52 
  - when you get a chance, look up the difference between "dent" corn and "table" corn...  1   Mar-02-09 09:41 PM   #68 
     - What?  Critters2   Mar-03-09 04:12 PM   #92 
  - and all of the hormones pumped into the animals is giving men breasts  ensho   Mar-02-09 12:12 PM   #4 
  - And we should have a problem with larger and larger breasts because....??  Gman   Mar-02-09 12:20 PM   #9 
  - I sure hope you're not serious.  Kitty Herder   Mar-02-09 07:59 PM   #55 
     - true, very true  ensho   Mar-03-09 12:16 PM   #85 
  - I am now even more strongly in favor of meat. nt  Occam Bandage   Mar-02-09 01:36 PM   #23 
  - This is pretty much indisputable  jpgray   Mar-02-09 12:14 PM   #5 
  - Ah the monthly anti-meat thread.  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 12:17 PM   #6 
  - Beurre noise yet?  jpgray   Mar-02-09 12:18 PM   #7 
  - Is it that time already?  Earth_First   Mar-02-09 12:19 PM   #8 
  - I thought next week was pit bulls and breast-feeding.............  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 12:21 PM   #10 
     - Lemme look,  Earth_First   Mar-02-09 12:23 PM   #11 
     - yesterday was pitbulls.  Runcible Spoon   Mar-02-09 01:15 PM   #16 
     - I thought yesterday it was cheese sandwiches.....  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 01:18 PM   #18 
        - Cheese sandwiches...that was a special annual Flame Edition  Runcible Spoon   Mar-02-09 02:13 PM   #33 
     - NO! NO! NO!  Behind the Aegis   Mar-02-09 01:41 PM   #28 
     - It's  QueenOfCalifornia   Mar-02-09 01:44 PM   #29 
        - So sayeth the Queen!  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 02:35 PM   #35 
        - I've been trying to switch it to Golden Corral to no avail...  Lost in CT   Mar-02-09 08:54 PM   #61 
     - You just made me grin :D  Mother Of Four   Mar-03-09 10:22 AM   #78 
  - Wish I could recommend your post`  Matariki   Mar-02-09 12:25 PM   #12 
  - I could always do a pro foie gras post and really stir the pot.  GoneOffShore   Mar-02-09 01:16 PM   #17 
  - let me be the first meat eater to say ---- EWWWWWW  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 01:19 PM   #19 
     - Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.  GoneOffShore   Mar-02-09 02:15 PM   #34 
        - ewww ewww ewwwwwww  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 02:37 PM   #36 
           - It's okay .... I won't say the "FG" words again. Calm down, have a nice glass of wine  GoneOffShore   Mar-02-09 03:01 PM   #38 
              - mmmmmmm........bacon .........mmmmm  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 03:10 PM   #39 
                 - See, I knew you'd feel better.  GoneOffShore   Mar-02-09 03:36 PM   #40 
  - Yes the subject line is misleading  spoony   Mar-02-09 01:35 PM   #22 
  - Right. It should be "of the meat-production industry," not "of eating meat."  Occam Bandage   Mar-02-09 01:39 PM   #26 
  - Yes- and they are using it to promote their cause.  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 01:39 PM   #27 
  - How do we raise animals so that 8 billion humans can eat like DU carnivores without  Karmadillo   Mar-02-09 06:07 PM   #49 
     - good question nt  G_j   Mar-02-09 07:42 PM   #53 
     - all 8 million don't like meat !  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 09:27 PM   #66 
        - I was responding to the claim one can divorce the raising of meat from the consumption of meat. It  Karmadillo   Mar-03-09 09:36 AM   #70 
           - Personally I think the amount does need to be cut down  Marrah_G   Mar-03-09 09:58 AM   #74 
           - The assumption in equating them is that the only way  sybylla   Mar-03-09 10:48 AM   #79 
              - That's not the assumption.  Karmadillo   Mar-03-09 11:24 AM   #83 
  - The GOP has their finger-waggy fuck police, we've got our finger-waggy Fork police.  Warren DeMontague   Mar-02-09 01:54 PM   #31 
  - The GOP has their gimme-gimme lower taxes police, we've got our gimme-gimme more meat police.  Karmadillo   Mar-02-09 05:47 PM   #43 
     - Funny, like I said, I haven't eaten red meat in over a decade.  Warren DeMontague   Mar-04-09 01:11 PM   #117 
        - Funny, I haven't policed anyone's fork in over a decade.  Karmadillo   Mar-04-09 03:06 PM   #118 
           - No, I'm drawing a distinction between the unarguable environmental impacts from, say, beef farming  Warren DeMontague   Mar-04-09 05:33 PM   #119 
              - Sure sounds like PETA is in agreement with Scientific American on this issue. Read the OP.  Karmadillo   Mar-04-09 06:11 PM   #120 
              - That's what I said.  Warren DeMontague   Mar-04-09 06:19 PM   #121 
                 - Issue obscenities as you please. It's not my concern.  Karmadillo   Mar-04-09 06:54 PM   #122 
                    - Don't you dare try to tell me I don't have a right to be offended by that ad campaign.  Warren DeMontague   Mar-05-09 03:44 PM   #123 
                       - Given your PETA hatred thing,  Karmadillo   Mar-05-09 07:42 PM   #128 
              - Nice cherry-picking.  Ignis   Mar-05-09 04:11 PM   #124 
  - You said it.  SidneyCarton   Mar-02-09 06:02 PM   #47 
  - Ah Wisdom ...ty  BoneDaddy   Mar-02-09 08:25 PM   #58 
     - We can always choose locally grown organic steak....  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 09:37 PM   #67 
        - Yep  BoneDaddy   Mar-03-09 08:16 PM   #104 
           - I noticed something with the organic meat.  Marrah_G   Mar-03-09 10:46 PM   #106 
  - This is just another example of something that we eventually wil be forcced to deal with  burythehatchet   Mar-02-09 12:29 PM   #13 
  - as with the economy, sustainability has not been the goal. nt  G_j   Mar-02-09 07:48 PM   #54 
  - We are making pork chops right now, but  old mark   Mar-02-09 12:49 PM   #14 
  - Thanks for this!  Hell Hath No Fury   Mar-02-09 01:11 PM   #15 
  - I wonder if eating fatty meats full of antibiotics and hormones....  Fireweed247   Mar-02-09 01:26 PM   #20 
  - or it could be from the non-meat based HFCS ! Technically that would be Vegan!  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 02:40 PM   #37 
  - Meat doesn't make you fat. White flour and sugar make you fat.  AllieB   Mar-02-09 08:47 PM   #59 
  - umm. how much livestock is on earth as compared to 200 years ago?  crimsonblue   Mar-02-09 01:32 PM   #21 
  - I am pretty sure that what will eventually drive humanity towards vegetarianism  Occam Bandage   Mar-02-09 01:38 PM   #25 
  - So... do we support a luxury tax on the worst offenders?  Motown_Johnny   Mar-02-09 01:50 PM   #30 
  - Well actually whales are the worst offenders on a per animal basis.  Lost in CT   Mar-02-09 05:57 PM   #44 
  - So is PETA going to side with Scientific American when they advocate testing potentially lifesaving  Warren DeMontague   Mar-02-09 01:55 PM   #32 
  - Great! More "meat" for the anti-PETA pricks on D.U.  AndrewP   Mar-02-09 03:39 PM   #41 
  - It starts at the very first reply, too  Lorien   Mar-02-09 06:00 PM   #46 
  - I don't care for Peta. I would never use the acronym you used though.  Marrah_G   Mar-02-09 09:44 PM   #69 
  - wrong target-- the problem isn't eating meat....  mike_c   Mar-02-09 06:00 PM   #45 
  - It's both. Feeding cattle takes more natural resources than feeding humans  Lorien   Mar-02-09 06:03 PM   #48 
  - Exactly.  cobalt1999   Mar-02-09 06:15 PM   #50 
  - no gruel for me, thanks...i have a wonderful garden.  dysfunctional press   Mar-02-09 08:54 PM   #62 
  - Bingo.  AllieB   Mar-02-09 08:49 PM   #60 
  - Once in a while I agree with something mike_c writes  slackmaster   Mar-03-09 09:51 AM   #73 
  - the Solution: EAT MORE VEAL!!  dysfunctional press   Mar-02-09 08:03 PM   #56 
  - delete  G_j   Mar-02-09 08:24 PM   #57 
  - You know I think you have something there..... nt  Lost in CT   Mar-02-09 08:55 PM   #63 
     - back when i was a waiter at the meadow club- i sold A LOT of veal chops...  dysfunctional press   Mar-02-09 09:16 PM   #65 
  - Evangelism.  Touchdown   Mar-02-09 09:02 PM   #64 
  - Do the UN and Scientific American evangelize for "a cool eating cult" or are they  Karmadillo   Mar-03-09 09:48 AM   #72 
     - Don't hide behind them. I wasn't talking about them.  Touchdown   Mar-03-09 02:10 PM   #86 
        - Facts are stupid things, aren't they. Feel free to challenge Scientific American  Karmadillo   Mar-03-09 03:28 PM   #90 
        - Again, wasn't challenging them.  Touchdown   Mar-04-09 12:22 PM   #112 
           - You are so funny.  Karmadillo   Mar-04-09 12:47 PM   #116 
        - It is not our job you ease your liberal guilt  Eryemil   Mar-03-09 04:20 PM   #95 
           - Wow. I have no response to that.  Touchdown   Mar-04-09 12:23 PM   #113 
  - dont eat meat, dont need meat. dont want meat.  Mari333   Mar-03-09 09:39 AM   #71 
  - I completely respect that.  Marrah_G   Mar-03-09 10:01 AM   #75 
  - Key word "choice"  cobalt1999   Mar-03-09 10:03 AM   #76 
  - Why are meat eaters so bloody defensive?  Eryemil   Mar-03-09 10:18 AM   #77 
  - You say "why so defensive" and then post "Your great-grandchildren will be digging for cockroaches "  Marrah_G   Mar-03-09 10:56 AM   #80 
  - ...  Eryemil   Mar-03-09 04:08 PM   #91 
     - And you are a rude obnoxious little twit.  Marrah_G   Mar-03-09 05:14 PM   #98 
  - If you are part of the probelm...  DrCory   Mar-03-09 05:35 PM   #100 
     - No, because I don't actually care enough to give up my comforts for the sake of others  Eryemil   Mar-03-09 07:31 PM   #101 
  - I eat meat for my health  xenussister   Mar-03-09 11:10 AM   #81 
  - I eat meat and find the "pro-meat" responses on this thread hysterical...  JackRiddler   Mar-03-09 11:23 AM   #82 
  - would they snicker at oil spills?  G_j   Mar-03-09 04:14 PM   #93 
     - Very good example...  JackRiddler   Mar-04-09 04:00 AM   #107 
     - If dealing with spills interfered with their consumption patterns, I'm afraid they might.  Karmadillo   Mar-04-09 09:43 AM   #110 
  - Doesn't Sound Like A Meat Eating Problem Whatsoever. Quite Misguided.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-03-09 11:24 AM   #84 
  - Eating meat is normal for humans. Some don't want to eat it, and that's OK.  TexasObserver   Mar-03-09 02:37 PM   #87 
  - Enjoy it while you can 'cause it won't last long  Eryemil   Mar-03-09 04:15 PM   #94 
  - I assume you hate any liberal with children then  cobalt1999   Mar-03-09 04:33 PM   #96 
  - As long as they can say "Yes, I know the consequences and I don't care"  Eryemil   Mar-03-09 04:48 PM   #97 
  - He is just a self righteous rude little bugger  Marrah_G   Mar-03-09 05:17 PM   #99 
  - I am not a vegetarian. I eat most everything except beef and factory farmed meats  Eryemil   Mar-03-09 07:34 PM   #102 
  - Untrue and implicitly: anti-humanist claptrap.  JackRiddler   Mar-04-09 04:06 AM   #108 
     - Absolutely true.  cobalt1999   Mar-04-09 09:58 AM   #111 
  - Apparently you didn't understand what I said.  TexasObserver   Mar-03-09 08:07 PM   #103 
     - Puedes tratar, si queréis  Eryemil   Mar-03-09 08:18 PM   #105 
  - Humans need meat? Quick! Someone tell my nutritionist!  Ignis   Mar-05-09 04:14 PM   #126 
  - Seems to me they are talking Factory Farms, not "meat". eom  uppityperson   Mar-03-09 02:44 PM   #88 
  - Agreed. Capitalism is the problem.  blindpig   Mar-03-09 02:51 PM   #89 
  - What is the distinction in the modern urban context?  JackRiddler   Mar-04-09 04:09 AM   #109 
  - Half of the food supply goes to waste every year  killbotfactory   Mar-04-09 12:33 PM   #114 
  - Wait...  AB_Positive   Mar-04-09 12:34 PM   #115 
  - It's chicken fried steak night at my house. n/t  cynatnite   Mar-05-09 04:13 PM   #125 
  - See, I can't constantly eat soy products. For me, veganism is OUT.  BreweryYardRat   Mar-05-09 04:40 PM   #127 
 

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