GeorgeGist
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Wed Feb-25-09 07:17 AM
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| 56. If comprehensive health care reform is the best way to strengthen Medicare ... |
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then why would comprehensive retirement plan reform not be the best way to strengthem Social Security?
Answer: Because Social Security is a single-payer system; there's no wasteful spending on profit.
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| -Social Security is NOT broken. What the hell are "Universal Savings Accounts" Obama talked about?! |
earth mom |
Feb-24-09 09:19 PM |
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I want to know too. |
nc4bo |
Feb-24-09 09:20 PM |
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I know. I wasn't happy to hear him talking about that. |
Kat45 |
Feb-24-09 09:21 PM |
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Probably a concession to the Republicans. nt |
valerief |
Feb-24-09 09:21 PM |
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They are just an excuse not to say Universal Single payer Health care |
Vincardog |
Feb-24-09 09:21 PM |
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Didn't sound like a replacement for SS. More like an alternative to 401ks. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-24-09 09:21 PM |
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It's like a 401K for everyone IN ADDITION to social security. |
Connie_Corleone |
Feb-24-09 09:21 PM |
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Why not just have a freebie $5 or $10K in interest and dividend income? |
eridani |
Feb-24-09 09:54 PM |
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Why the hell should we be investing our retirement in stocks - my dad lost his ass doing that? |
debbierlus |
Feb-24-09 10:17 PM |
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Those 401K worked out so well |
Why Syzygy |
Feb-25-09 08:13 PM |
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Here is the line, spin it as you wish |
Uzybone |
Feb-24-09 09:21 PM |
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I'm not spinning anything. That job belongs to the politicians who are robbing all of us blind. |
earth mom |
Feb-24-09 09:26 PM |
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I didnt say you were spinning |
Uzybone |
Feb-24-09 09:29 PM |
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Grammar lesson |
garthranzz |
Feb-24-09 09:35 PM |
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Your post makes the most sense to me |
Uzybone |
Feb-24-09 09:45 PM |
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You make the most sense of all the angles I've read so far. I'll hope this is correct. |
Political Heretic |
Feb-24-09 11:45 PM |
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First, unlike health care, I do not concede that social security is in need of reform. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-25-09 12:08 PM |
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If comprehensive health care reform is the best way to strengthen Medicare ... |
GeorgeGist |
Feb-25-09 07:17 AM |
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Something Clinton did too.. |
Why Syzygy |
Feb-24-09 09:22 PM |
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I don't go for that @#*! at all. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-24-09 09:23 PM |
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This could be worse for Obama than Afghanistan. |
bottomtheweaver |
Feb-24-09 09:24 PM |
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Social Security is NOT FUCKING BROKEN! |
leftstreet |
Feb-24-09 09:24 PM |
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It has major underfunding problems. Gov't has been spending the |
Common Sense Party |
Feb-25-09 01:01 AM |
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I.O.U.S.A. is misleading. |
JHB |
Feb-25-09 07:34 AM |
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It can be fixed immediately by raising the cap on rich people! |
B Calm |
Feb-25-09 11:56 AM |
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Just stop robbing it! Where is that 'lockbox' Gore spoke of, when we really need it? |
SammyWinstonJack |
Feb-25-09 06:45 AM |
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He wants to give savers a tax break....what's wrong with that? |
rgbecker |
Feb-24-09 09:25 PM |
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We already have IRA accounts up to $5,000 per person |
hfojvt |
Feb-25-09 07:23 PM |
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Here are some examples of what he might mean. |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-09 09:25 PM |
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Read these links, look for more of your own....don't let others tell you |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-09 09:52 PM |
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Details from Gephardt's plan and that of the DLC. pdf format |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-09 09:28 PM |
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In addition to SS, tax free savings interest to improve American's savings and improve bank deposits |
Kip Humphrey |
Feb-24-09 09:36 PM |
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In the spirit of bipartisanship, and at the behest of his corporate masters, |
MadHound |
Feb-24-09 09:41 PM |
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No, no, no. That's not what he said. |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Feb-25-09 06:50 AM |
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Actually he didn't say one way or the other |
MadHound |
Feb-25-09 06:54 AM |
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Want the skinny on that too! |
lonestarnot |
Feb-24-09 09:55 PM |
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Here is a page of links from 2000 to 2005....explaining USA |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-09 09:57 PM |
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After searching I found this on "universal savings accounts" |
1776Forever |
Feb-24-09 09:57 PM |
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We already have them...why create more? |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-09 10:08 PM |
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I think it is just one idea being floated - Saw Clinton's name attached to it. |
1776Forever |
Feb-24-09 10:15 PM |
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Because 401ks are only for people whose employers offer them, right now. |
Lyric |
Feb-24-09 10:48 PM |
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Why do we need it in addition to Social Security? And where would the money come from? |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-09 10:53 PM |
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We need it because there are a lot of people who don't get enough |
Lyric |
Feb-24-09 11:40 PM |
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One proposal that came out of the hearings on 401(k)s |
exboyfil |
Feb-24-09 11:32 PM |
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Count me as concerned. |
falcon97 |
Feb-24-09 09:58 PM |
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Portable accounts somewhat like a 401k |
POAS |
Feb-24-09 10:00 PM |
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One can ALREADY have private savings accounts. grrrrr |
TacticalPeek |
Feb-24-09 10:44 PM |
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but they are not tax free and not "universal" |
SmileyRose |
Feb-24-09 11:44 PM |
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I am hoping he means we can withdraw our little remaining retirement money |
glinda |
Feb-24-09 11:49 PM |
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You can do rollovers tax free now. |
SmileyRose |
Feb-24-09 11:58 PM |
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kick....and it sounded like bush-speak to me....n/t |
unkachuck |
Feb-24-09 10:50 PM |
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That got MY attention. |
bvar22 |
Feb-24-09 11:10 PM |
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Tons of massively for-awesome smart guys keep publishing report after report saying NOT BROKEN!!! |
Political Heretic |
Feb-24-09 11:44 PM |
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Here's what a "tax-free Universal Savings Account" means to me. |
4lbs |
Feb-25-09 12:06 AM |
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we can't have any of those damned non-wealthy boomers thinking they get to retire |
leftofthedial |
Feb-25-09 12:08 AM |
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"tax-free universal savings accounts for all Americans" |
orleans |
Feb-25-09 12:10 AM |
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Why not have the govt use the money to "shore up " Soc. Sec.... |
madfloridian |
Feb-25-09 12:17 AM |
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Jane Hamsher is one tracking and watching this question like a hawk. |
chill_wind |
Feb-25-09 12:36 AM |
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Thanks for posting this information-I will read it asap. |
earth mom |
Feb-25-09 03:29 PM |
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Gladly. |
chill_wind |
Feb-25-09 04:56 PM |
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The average retiree's SS check only pays for about 38% of their |
Common Sense Party |
Feb-25-09 01:03 AM |
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thank you. |
slinkerwink |
Feb-25-09 06:51 AM |
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thank you! |
slinkerwink |
Feb-25-09 06:56 AM |
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Universal savings accounts are accounts at the Universal Studios Credit Union - aren't they? |
Kablooie |
Feb-25-09 07:05 AM |
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Savings accounts generally have been used as a method not |
mmonk |
Feb-25-09 07:11 AM |
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Oh boy.... I couldn't watch him last night. Looks like I didn't miss much. |
TBF |
Feb-25-09 07:37 AM |
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Yep |
blindpig |
Feb-25-09 12:06 PM |
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On balance, you missed a very good speech. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-25-09 12:12 PM |
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So far I've heard the comments about privatization of Social Security |
TBF |
Feb-25-09 12:46 PM |
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He's a good speaker, it's only when you hear what he actually says that the alarms go off. |
Greyhound |
Feb-25-09 12:23 PM |
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Yeah, I'm going to read the transcript. He's a very good speaker |
TBF |
Feb-25-09 12:47 PM |
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I haven't read it myself but someone here did and said it was even better |
Greyhound |
Feb-25-09 12:52 PM |
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OK, I found it - |
TBF |
Feb-25-09 01:24 PM |
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You didn't watch him last night, but on some vague hearsay from an internet discussion board |
Telly Savalas |
Feb-25-09 07:28 PM |
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I watched it, and I was alarmed. |
bottomtheweaver |
Feb-25-09 08:19 PM |
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Why don't you go up a couple of threads and read what I wrote |
TBF |
Feb-26-09 07:17 AM |
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kick |
CountAllVotes |
Feb-25-09 11:31 AM |
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TOTALLY agree!!! |
ljm2002 |
Feb-25-09 02:02 PM |
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The Nation had an article on this a while ago. |
Jim__ |
Feb-25-09 03:51 PM |
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Thanks for posting this-looks like a must read. |
earth mom |
Feb-25-09 04:08 PM |
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I just finished reading that in the dead tree edition |
tbyg52 |
Feb-25-09 06:41 PM |
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I just wish if Obama is going to bring up SS then spell it out. |
blues90 |
Feb-25-09 05:44 PM |
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here is the part of the speech where SS is brought up |
blues90 |
Feb-25-09 06:24 PM |
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Maybe it's universal health savings account. More and more |
Thickasabrick |
Feb-25-09 08:14 PM |
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