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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 09:26 PM
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13. I'm not spinning anything. That job belongs to the politicians who are robbing all of us blind.
You can sit there and pretend they are watching out for you, but I'm not so naive.

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  -Social Security is NOT broken. What the hell are "Universal Savings Accounts" Obama talked about?! earth mom  Feb-24-09 09:19 PM   #0 
  - I want to know too.  nc4bo   Feb-24-09 09:20 PM   #1 
  - I know. I wasn't happy to hear him talking about that.  Kat45   Feb-24-09 09:21 PM   #2 
  - Probably a concession to the Republicans. nt  valerief   Feb-24-09 09:21 PM   #3 
  - They are just an excuse not to say Universal Single payer Health care  Vincardog   Feb-24-09 09:21 PM   #4 
  - Didn't sound like a replacement for SS. More like an alternative to 401ks.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-24-09 09:21 PM   #5 
  - It's like a 401K for everyone IN ADDITION to social security.  Connie_Corleone   Feb-24-09 09:21 PM   #6 
  - Why not just have a freebie $5 or $10K in interest and dividend income?  eridani   Feb-24-09 09:54 PM   #21 
  - Why the hell should we be investing our retirement in stocks - my dad lost his ass doing that?  debbierlus   Feb-24-09 10:17 PM   #29 
  - Those 401K worked out so well  Why Syzygy   Feb-25-09 08:13 PM   #79 
  - Here is the line, spin it as you wish  Uzybone   Feb-24-09 09:21 PM   #7 
  - I'm not spinning anything. That job belongs to the politicians who are robbing all of us blind.  earth mom   Feb-24-09 09:26 PM   #13 
  - I didnt say you were spinning  Uzybone   Feb-24-09 09:29 PM   #15 
  - Grammar lesson  garthranzz   Feb-24-09 09:35 PM   #16 
  - Your post makes the most sense to me  Uzybone   Feb-24-09 09:45 PM   #19 
  - You make the most sense of all the angles I've read so far. I'll hope this is correct.  Political Heretic   Feb-24-09 11:45 PM   #39 
  - First, unlike health care, I do not concede that social security is in need of reform.  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-25-09 12:08 PM   #62 
  - If comprehensive health care reform is the best way to strengthen Medicare ...  GeorgeGist   Feb-25-09 07:17 AM   #56 
  - Something Clinton did too..  Why Syzygy   Feb-24-09 09:22 PM   #8 
  - I don't go for that @#*! at all. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-24-09 09:23 PM   #9 
  - This could be worse for Obama than Afghanistan.  bottomtheweaver   Feb-24-09 09:24 PM   #10 
  - Social Security is NOT FUCKING BROKEN!  leftstreet   Feb-24-09 09:24 PM   #11 
  - It has major underfunding problems. Gov't has been spending the  Common Sense Party   Feb-25-09 01:01 AM   #47 
  - I.O.U.S.A. is misleading.  JHB   Feb-25-09 07:34 AM   #57 
  - It can be fixed immediately by raising the cap on rich people!  B Calm   Feb-25-09 11:56 AM   #60 
  - Just stop robbing it! Where is that 'lockbox' Gore spoke of, when we really need it?  SammyWinstonJack   Feb-25-09 06:45 AM   #49 
  - He wants to give savers a tax break....what's wrong with that?  rgbecker   Feb-24-09 09:25 PM   # 
  - We already have IRA accounts up to $5,000 per person  hfojvt   Feb-25-09 07:23 PM   #77 
  - Here are some examples of what he might mean.  madfloridian   Feb-24-09 09:25 PM   #12 
  - Read these links, look for more of your own....don't let others tell you  madfloridian   Feb-24-09 09:52 PM   #20 
  - Details from Gephardt's plan and that of the DLC. pdf format  madfloridian   Feb-24-09 09:28 PM   #14 
  - In addition to SS, tax free savings interest to improve American's savings and improve bank deposits  Kip Humphrey   Feb-24-09 09:36 PM   #17 
  - In the spirit of bipartisanship, and at the behest of his corporate masters,  MadHound   Feb-24-09 09:41 PM   #18 
  - No, no, no. That's not what he said.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Feb-25-09 06:50 AM   #50 
     - Actually he didn't say one way or the other  MadHound   Feb-25-09 06:54 AM   #52 
  - Want the skinny on that too!  lonestarnot   Feb-24-09 09:55 PM   #22 
  - Here is a page of links from 2000 to 2005....explaining USA  madfloridian   Feb-24-09 09:57 PM   #23 
  - After searching I found this on "universal savings accounts"  1776Forever   Feb-24-09 09:57 PM   #24 
  - We already have them...why create more?  madfloridian   Feb-24-09 10:08 PM   #27 
     - I think it is just one idea being floated - Saw Clinton's name attached to it.  1776Forever   Feb-24-09 10:15 PM   #28 
     - Because 401ks are only for people whose employers offer them, right now.  Lyric   Feb-24-09 10:48 PM   #31 
     - Why do we need it in addition to Social Security? And where would the money come from?  madfloridian   Feb-24-09 10:53 PM   #33 
        - We need it because there are a lot of people who don't get enough  Lyric   Feb-24-09 11:40 PM   #36 
     - One proposal that came out of the hearings on 401(k)s  exboyfil   Feb-24-09 11:32 PM   #35 
  - Count me as concerned.  falcon97   Feb-24-09 09:58 PM   #25 
  - Portable accounts somewhat like a 401k  POAS   Feb-24-09 10:00 PM   #26 
  - One can ALREADY have private savings accounts. grrrrr  TacticalPeek   Feb-24-09 10:44 PM   #30 
  - but they are not tax free and not "universal"  SmileyRose   Feb-24-09 11:44 PM   #38 
     - I am hoping he means we can withdraw our little remaining retirement money  glinda   Feb-24-09 11:49 PM   #40 
        - You can do rollovers tax free now.  SmileyRose   Feb-24-09 11:58 PM   #41 
  - kick....and it sounded like bush-speak to me....n/t  unkachuck   Feb-24-09 10:50 PM   #32 
  - That got MY attention.  bvar22   Feb-24-09 11:10 PM   #34 
  - Tons of massively for-awesome smart guys keep publishing report after report saying NOT BROKEN!!!  Political Heretic   Feb-24-09 11:44 PM   #37 
  - Here's what a "tax-free Universal Savings Account" means to me.  4lbs   Feb-25-09 12:06 AM   #42 
  - we can't have any of those damned non-wealthy boomers thinking they get to retire  leftofthedial   Feb-25-09 12:08 AM   #43 
  - "tax-free universal savings accounts for all Americans"  orleans   Feb-25-09 12:10 AM   #44 
  - Why not have the govt use the money to "shore up " Soc. Sec....  madfloridian   Feb-25-09 12:17 AM   #45 
  - Jane Hamsher is one tracking and watching this question like a hawk.  chill_wind   Feb-25-09 12:36 AM   #46 
  - Thanks for posting this information-I will read it asap.  earth mom   Feb-25-09 03:29 PM   #70 
     - Gladly.  chill_wind   Feb-25-09 04:56 PM   #73 
  - The average retiree's SS check only pays for about 38% of their  Common Sense Party   Feb-25-09 01:03 AM   #48 
  - thank you.  slinkerwink   Feb-25-09 06:51 AM   #51 
  - thank you!  slinkerwink   Feb-25-09 06:56 AM   #53 
  - Universal savings accounts are accounts at the Universal Studios Credit Union - aren't they?  Kablooie   Feb-25-09 07:05 AM   #54 
  - Savings accounts generally have been used as a method not  mmonk   Feb-25-09 07:11 AM   #55 
  - Oh boy.... I couldn't watch him last night. Looks like I didn't miss much.  TBF   Feb-25-09 07:37 AM   #58 
  - Yep  blindpig   Feb-25-09 12:06 PM   #61 
  - On balance, you missed a very good speech.  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-25-09 12:12 PM   #63 
  - So far I've heard the comments about privatization of Social Security  TBF   Feb-25-09 12:46 PM   #65 
  - He's a good speaker, it's only when you hear what he actually says that the alarms go off.  Greyhound   Feb-25-09 12:23 PM   #64 
  - Yeah, I'm going to read the transcript. He's a very good speaker  TBF   Feb-25-09 12:47 PM   #66 
     - I haven't read it myself but someone here did and said it was even better  Greyhound   Feb-25-09 12:52 PM   #67 
        - OK, I found it -  TBF   Feb-25-09 01:24 PM   #68 
  - You didn't watch him last night, but on some vague hearsay from an internet discussion board  Telly Savalas   Feb-25-09 07:28 PM   #78 
     - I watched it, and I was alarmed.  bottomtheweaver   Feb-25-09 08:19 PM   #81 
     - Why don't you go up a couple of threads and read what I wrote  TBF   Feb-26-09 07:17 AM   #82 
  - kick  CountAllVotes   Feb-25-09 11:31 AM   #59 
  - TOTALLY agree!!!  ljm2002   Feb-25-09 02:02 PM   #69 
  - The Nation had an article on this a while ago.  Jim__   Feb-25-09 03:51 PM   #71 
  - Thanks for posting this-looks like a must read.  earth mom   Feb-25-09 04:08 PM   #72 
  - I just finished reading that in the dead tree edition  tbyg52   Feb-25-09 06:41 PM   #76 
  - I just wish if Obama is going to bring up SS then spell it out.  blues90   Feb-25-09 05:44 PM   #74 
  - here is the part of the speech where SS is brought up  blues90   Feb-25-09 06:24 PM   #75 
  - Maybe it's universal health savings account. More and more  Thickasabrick   Feb-25-09 08:14 PM   #80 

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