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How much of economic meltdown is just Iran Contra, Continued?
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You think we should "move on" and not prosecute the last batch of war criminals? Check this out:

Hissyspit posted this thread about Dennis asking, who told SEC to stand down?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It turns out that Bush's "intelligence czar" John Negroponte was authorized to approve SEC wavers (5/5/2006):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

That would be John "Death Squads" Negroponte who never did a minute of time for his involvement in Iran Contra money laundering, drug running and war crimes:

From 1981 to 1985, Negroponte was the U.S. ambassador to Honduras. During this time, military aid to Honduras grew from $4 million to $77.4 million a year, and the US began to maintain a significant military presence there, with the goal of providing a bulwark against the revolutionary Sandinista government of Nicaragua, a Leftist party which had driven out the Somoza dictatorship but subsequently maintained a pluralist society and won overwhelming majorities in free and fair elections by international observers.

The previous U.S. ambassador to Honduras, Jack Binns (who was appointed by President Jimmy Carter) made numerous complaints about human rights abuses by the Honduran military under the government of Policarpo Paz Garca. Following the inauguration of Ronald Reagan, Binns was replaced by Negroponte, who has denied having knowledge of any wrongdoing by Honduran military forces.

In 1995, The Baltimore Sun published an extensive investigation of U.S. activities in Honduras. Speaking of Negroponte and other senior U.S. officials, an ex-Honduran congressman, Efran Daz, was quoted as saying:

Their attitude was one of tolerance and silence. They needed Honduras to loan its territory more than they were concerned about innocent people being killed.

Substantial evidence subsequently emerged to support the contention that Negroponte was aware that serious violations of human rights were carried out by the Honduran government, but despite this did not recommend ending U.S. military aid to the country. Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, on September 14, 2001, as reported in the Congressional Record, aired his suspicions on the occasion of Negroponte's nomination to the position of UN ambassador:

Based upon the Committee's review of State Department and CIA documents, it would seem that Ambassador Negroponte knew far more about government perpetrated human rights abuses than he chose to share with the committee in 1989 or in Embassy contributions at the time to annual State Department Human Rights reports.<4>

Among other evidence, Dodd cited a cable sent by Negroponte, in 1985, that made it clear that Negroponte was aware of the threat of "future human rights abuses" by "secret operating cells" left over by General Gustavo lvarez Martinez, the chief of the Honduran armed forces, after he was forcibly removed from his post by fellow military commanders in 1984.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte#Ambassador...

A lot of people noticed that Iran Contra criminals were all over the Bush Administration:

Extra! September/October 2001

Scandal? What Scandal?
Bush's Iran-Contra appointees are barely a story

By Terry J. Allen

Throughout the summer of 2001, the media were profligate with resources for the Chandra Levy story, excavating every corner of her and Rep. Gary Condit's past to unearth a prurient bounty of personal detail. That level of investigative vigor mighthave exposed far more vital information had it been applied to Bush's appointment of numerous Iran-Contra veterans to key posts.

But with a few admirable exceptions, news stories about Elliot Abrams, John Negroponte and Otto Reich have largely relied on past reporting and he-said, she-said soundbites by the usual supporters and critics, rather than in-depth investigations into their complicity in one of the bloodiest scandals of the past 20 years. And their guilt is based not on speculation or gossip, but on hard evidence that they aided torturers and death squads,circumvented Congress and the Constitution, and deceived the American people.

"President Bush," the Washington Post reported on March 25, "is quietly building the most conservative administration in modern times, surpassing even Ronald Reagan in the ideological commitment of his appointments, White House officials and prominent conservatives say."

It's not that Bush is whispering the names of nominees too softly for the press to hear. Rather, the reporting itself is, for the most part, quiet.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1076

I just don't think that many of us were paying attention to the financial aspect of their involvement while Bush handed Negroponte a blank cheque . . .



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  -How much of economic meltdown is just Iran Contra, Continued? EFerrari  Feb-23-09 07:38 PM   #0 
  - From Dennis's letter to SEC:  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 08:08 PM   #1 
  - Excellent post!  Zhade   Feb-23-09 08:09 PM   #2 
  - I hope someone that's better than me at running down money takes a look. n/t  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 08:17 PM   #6 
  - This is what happens when we let the rat bastards pardon themselves.  originalpckelly   Feb-23-09 08:13 PM   #3 
  - These people are trying to get Attorney Generals to investigate:  AnotherDreamWeaver   Feb-24-09 04:20 PM   #114 
  - The Stanford Group services in Latin America  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 08:14 PM   #4 
  - Have you been following my threads on this?  originalpckelly   Feb-23-09 08:18 PM   #8 
  - I have a mental block against financial transactions.  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 08:21 PM   #11 
  - Yeah, here:  originalpckelly   Feb-23-09 09:17 PM   #33 
     - Thank you!  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 09:19 PM   #34 
     - Thanks for relisting those. I missed your 3rd link the first time around.  catzies   Feb-24-09 10:55 AM   #86 
  - Can you make anything of this story?  starroute   Feb-23-09 09:17 PM   #32 
     - I'm following this story from the perspective of public records from the FEC...  originalpckelly   Feb-23-09 09:20 PM   #35 
     - thankyou for doing the legwork on this....  blm   Feb-24-09 03:22 PM   #109 
     - Any of these names familar to you?  conscious evolution   Feb-24-09 09:26 AM   #72 
     - Where did this information come from?  originalpckelly   Feb-24-09 09:37 AM   #75 
     - SEC filings  conscious evolution   Feb-24-09 10:45 AM   #84 
     - Health Systems Solutions Inc. Michael Levine has donated to Mark Warner...  originalpckelly   Feb-24-09 09:44 AM   #76 
     - More names  conscious evolution   Feb-24-09 12:48 PM   #99 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-24-09 12:09 PM   #92 
        - Useful Hamilton  epheidner   Feb-28-09 09:18 AM   #130 
  - When the Venezuelans raided Stanford late last year  malaise   Feb-24-09 03:55 AM   #55 
     - Oh wow! I am Sirprised yet again...NOT!  originalpckelly   Feb-24-09 09:46 AM   #77 
     - I'd completely forgotten that was Stanford.  EFerrari   Feb-24-09 12:15 PM   #95 
        - Anytime  malaise   Feb-24-09 02:00 PM   #105 
        - Not your fault - it's not like corpmedia cared to discuss it as a topic.  blm   Feb-25-09 11:02 AM   #126 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Feb-23-09 08:15 PM   #5 
  - We're going to have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission!!!  Earth_First   Feb-23-09 08:17 PM   #7 
  - And Lee Hamilton can be one of the co-chairs!  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 08:39 PM   #18 
     - and then we'll know who killed Chandra Levy  omega minimo   Feb-23-09 08:45 PM   #21 
  - We'll never know just how deep the rabbit hole goes. nt  Baikonour   Feb-23-09 08:19 PM   #9 
  - We will IF the books on BCCI are opened and a Dem president ALLOWS ACCESS and cooperation this time.  blm   Feb-24-09 07:56 AM   #60 
  - What happens when unresolved scandals take a back seat to a domestic agenda?  seemslikeadream   Feb-23-09 08:21 PM   #10 
  - Deserves to be posted every day at Dem forums, so Obama WH doesn't make same TRAGIC errors  blm   Feb-24-09 10:58 AM   #87 
  - THIS IS IMPORTANT, PEOPLE.  Zhade   Feb-23-09 08:24 PM   #12 
  - Hamilton said that he did not think it would have been 'good for the country'  seemslikeadream   Feb-23-09 08:26 PM   #13 
  - What a corrupt bastard Lee Hamilton is.  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 08:28 PM   #14 
  - But did Reagan really know?  Baby Snooks   Feb-24-09 08:39 AM   #68 
     - I think Bush's dirty dealings is the main cause for Reagans' loathing of Bushes to this day.  blm   Feb-24-09 09:13 AM   #70 
     - He was dealing with Alzheimers from his second year in office -  RaleighNCDUer   Feb-24-09 12:18 PM   #96 
  - To the top of the Greatest page!  bleever   Feb-23-09 08:29 PM   #15 
  - Is there a PDF genius around? I want to look at Madoff's client list  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 08:38 PM   #16 
  - Beth, I looked at the file and it's text based - you can copy it out  Stephanie   Feb-23-09 10:24 PM   #39 
  - Thanks, Steph. n/t  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 10:31 PM   #40 
     - I converted it to a two column table sortable by zip code  Stephanie   Feb-23-09 11:15 PM   #44 
     - Thanks so much.  EFerrari   Feb-24-09 01:23 AM   #50 
        - I sent it to you as a text file.  Stephanie   Feb-24-09 10:02 AM   #78 
     - It's a huge file, I'm having trouble emailing it  Stephanie   Feb-24-09 12:34 AM   #48 
  - A few of us believe Madoff smells alot like Marc Rich....another operative working within the  blm   Feb-24-09 10:14 AM   #79 
     - They seem part of the alphabet soup to me. DEA? CIA? One of those.  EFerrari   Feb-24-09 12:51 PM   #102 
        - BFEE loyalists within agencies like the CIA and DEA.  blm   Feb-24-09 02:36 PM   #106 
  - death squad negroponte should still be incarcerated,  madokie   Feb-23-09 08:39 PM   #17 
  - Instead, he facilitated Stanford and gawd knows who else.  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 08:40 PM   #19 
     - Some of the shit he was doing in south america during reagans rein  madokie   Feb-23-09 09:12 PM   #29 
        - But, we had to "move on".  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 09:15 PM   #31 
           - Oh I remember that  madokie   Feb-23-09 10:48 PM   #41 
  - It's not April Fool's yet, IS IT  omega minimo   Feb-23-09 08:42 PM   #20 
  - Bush gave the Iran Contra arm of the cabal a free pass to launder money.  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 08:46 PM   #22 
     - Stop reminding me  omega minimo   Feb-23-09 08:54 PM   #23 
        - The ex Minister of Defense for El Salvador was just picked up.  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 08:59 PM   #26 
           - well thank you,  omega minimo   Feb-23-09 09:02 PM   #28 
  - K&R for Gary Webb  readmoreoften   Feb-23-09 08:56 PM   #24 
  - I know they killed Gary Webb.  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 09:13 PM   #30 
  - Yep - Gary Webb. How was he AND his information treated by the WH in 1996?  blm   Feb-24-09 10:22 AM   #80 
  - All of it.  Chemical Bill   Feb-23-09 08:58 PM   #25 
  - I agree. And only use "Iran Contra" to make the question  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 09:01 PM   #27 
  - seafan has a related thread here:  EFerrari   Feb-23-09 09:20 PM   #36 
  - speaking of perception management  omega minimo   Feb-23-09 09:44 PM   #37 
  - All of it. We surrendered our country to the Bushies when we let them get away with High Treason.  tom_paine   Feb-23-09 09:47 PM   #38 
  - Thanks K&R n/t  slipslidingaway   Feb-23-09 11:04 PM   #42 
  - Money to gain Power. Power to protect Money. Repeat...  Octafish   Feb-23-09 11:07 PM   #43 
  - Thank you for stopping by, Octafish!  EFerrari   Feb-24-09 06:07 PM   #118 
  - Negroponte approving SEC waivers?  hay rick   Feb-23-09 11:23 PM   #45 
  - k&r -- I was trying to add a post to this thread about Danny Casolaro and the Octopus, but  scarletwoman   Feb-23-09 11:40 PM   #46 
  - Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter also proclaimed they would tough and strong reformers!  nolabels   Feb-24-09 07:38 AM   #59 
  - cause? about 99%  leftofthedial   Feb-23-09 11:47 PM   #47 
  - And that's what NO REAL PROSECUTION brought US...and the world eom  bobthedrummer   Feb-24-09 12:44 AM   #49 
  - They call it "The Enterprise"  L. Coyote   Feb-24-09 01:44 AM   #51 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Feb-24-09 02:02 AM   #52 
  - Nominated.  H2O Man   Feb-24-09 03:45 AM   #53 
  - Excellent post  malaise   Feb-24-09 03:51 AM   #54 
  - 'national security' is also the excuse some Dems hid behind as they continued to PROTECT BushInc  blm   Feb-27-09 10:49 AM   #129 
  - morning kick (nt)  scarletwoman   Feb-24-09 06:32 AM   #56 
  - IranContra Continued No  conscious evolution   Feb-24-09 06:38 AM   #57 
  - IranContra was one aspect of BCCI - which also revealed Iraqgate, dirty S&Ls, and CIA drugrunning.  blm   Feb-24-09 08:01 AM   #61 
     - The cast of charactors is the same,no doubt.  conscious evolution   Feb-24-09 08:12 AM   #63 
        - Kerry would have opened the books on BCCI if he was in the WH - the powerful elite in DC knew that  blm   Feb-24-09 08:17 AM   #64 
           - Do you think there is  conscious evolution   Feb-24-09 08:20 AM   #65 
              - You need to read this entire thread and Octafish's journals - a crime wave that set the stage for  blm   Feb-24-09 08:25 AM   #67 
              - This list of Outstanding Matters and request for further scrutiny given to incoming Clinton WH  blm   Feb-24-09 11:38 AM   #90 
                 - The tentacles of the octopus  conscious evolution   Feb-24-09 12:13 PM   #93 
                 - Cynthia McKinney was interested in going after the BCCI  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-09 03:31 PM   #110 
                    - No doubt about that  conscious evolution   Feb-24-09 06:18 PM   #119 
  - excellent. and this is exactly why these people  Soylent Brice   Feb-24-09 07:15 AM   #58 
  - The continuing CRIME WAVE of BCCI.....The BFEE's Global Fascist Agenda aka New World Order.  blm   Feb-24-09 08:03 AM   #62 
  - Clinton's failure to act on Iran-Contra allowed this mess to happen.  mod mom   Feb-24-09 08:21 AM   #66 
  - Don't forget the "Flying Nuns"  Baby Snooks   Feb-24-09 08:45 AM   #69 
  - Interesting to think about . . .  defendandprotect   Feb-24-09 09:25 AM   #71 
  - And, let's be clear, there is little difference between these elites and Mafia.  JDPriestly   Feb-24-09 12:51 PM   #100 
     - My mom has always called them "the legal Mafia". n/t  EFerrari   Feb-24-09 04:07 PM   #113 
     - "Gangster capitalism" . . .  defendandprotect   Feb-24-09 08:31 PM   #124 
     - The Mafia at its peak could only DREAM it had the reach and the viciousness of the BFEE.  blm   Feb-25-09 08:05 AM   #125 
  - k and r. "move on"???? That group needs a name change.  bbgrunt   Feb-24-09 09:32 AM   #73 
  - Same old Gang  formercia   Feb-24-09 09:37 AM   #74 
  - Joe Cannon points out that Stanford was investigated for drug connections  EFerrari   Feb-24-09 12:44 PM   #98 
     - He was a valuable asset  formercia   Feb-24-09 12:51 PM   #101 
     - Most people only get a watch and a plaque.  EFerrari   Feb-24-09 12:53 PM   #103 
     - There are also rumors of drug laundering re the Madoff biz.  Hannah Bell   Feb-24-09 04:24 PM   #115 
        - It looks like they're more than just rumors, Hannah. And, given BFEE's record of drugrunning  blm   Feb-24-09 05:53 PM   #116 
  - K&R  ck4829   Feb-24-09 10:26 AM   #81 
  - Kicking and recommending...  Dennis Donovan   Feb-24-09 10:31 AM   #82 
  - Wow, riveting thread to read!  Spazito   Feb-24-09 10:40 AM   #83 
  - This issue has been haunting me since good DUers started digging  catzies   Feb-24-09 10:47 AM   #85 
  - unfortunately there are others here determined to smear those who make note of connections  blm   Feb-24-09 11:22 AM   #89 
     - The evidence is overwhelming  formercia   Feb-24-09 12:14 PM   #94 
     - They won't. They are loyal more to certain persons than to their own right to open government.  blm   Feb-24-09 12:29 PM   #97 
        - The government is just a tool for those people, not a democratic expression.  EFerrari   Feb-24-09 04:06 PM   #112 
     - I knew something was missing!  conscious evolution   Feb-24-09 06:27 PM   #120 
        - heh...they avoid corruption threads when they know their heroes' names will pop up.  blm   Feb-25-09 12:45 PM   #127 
  - K & R  AzDar   Feb-24-09 11:05 AM   #88 
  - Watergate, S&L/Iran Contra/BCCI and now  Wetzelbill   Feb-24-09 11:49 AM   #91 
  - Recommended!  robertpaulsen   Feb-24-09 01:24 PM   #104 
  - May I add several points to the discussion  truedelphi   Feb-24-09 02:43 PM   #107 
  - Excellent point. They had to get Spitzer somehow and they did.  EFerrari   Feb-24-09 02:46 PM   #108 
  - Excellent thread, thanks. Mind-boggling connections. n/t  seafan   Feb-24-09 03:51 PM   #111 
  - If Obama were to read just one DU thread, this might be the one.  bleever   Feb-24-09 05:56 PM   #117 
  - I finally did it. Recd a thread of yours without having read it before.  Duende azul   Feb-24-09 06:59 PM   #121 
  - Hey, Duende! This is a good thread because like Stone Soup  EFerrari   Feb-24-09 07:21 PM   #122 
  - Excellent thread. Moving on without prosecutions  chill_wind   Feb-24-09 07:31 PM   #123 
  - and now Stanford has OLLIE NORTH'S lawyer representing him? Heh - one CONTINUOUS CRIME WAVE  blm   Feb-25-09 06:25 PM   #128 
 

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