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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:53 PM
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150. You are a good judge of a coherent argument?
You opening admit that you ignore other information and opinions that may conflict with your beliefs. People who blindly stick to their opinions and ignore anything contrary to their opinion aren't good judges of other peoples arguments.

"And I don't like their labor practices."

Like the labor practice of the foreign auto companies who won't let their plants unionize so that workers make a decent wage?

"The cheapo, uncomfortable interior looks like it's designed for fat people who smoke."

You must be talking about the Honda Accord, right? My cousin had an Accord and its interior was so drab and uncomfortable. I was in it for a 5 hour trip and was so happy to be out of it. It had the stiffest seats ever. And the fat people comment...nice. You seem like such nonjudgmental, pleasant person :eyes:

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  -Question: I was car-jacked last week and need a new car NOW Seedersandleechers  Feb-19-09 11:12 AM   #0 
  - You can sure do a lot better than 20 mpg  proud2BlibKansan   Feb-19-09 11:14 AM   #1 
  - Maybe she doesn't want a little shit-box?  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 12:17 PM   #40 
     - It's a well built very room car  proud2BlibKansan   Feb-19-09 12:20 PM   #44 
     - It's Japanese, you're talking to a UAW member now  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 12:25 PM   #49 
        - People should buy what's best for them.  alarimer   Feb-19-09 12:53 PM   #59 
        - Keep supporting the Japanese, Germans and Koreans, and by proxy  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 12:55 PM   #63 
           - Again, try using information rather than insults.  MineralMan   Feb-19-09 01:06 PM   #72 
        - I owned an American car  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 01:09 PM   #74 
        - "I owned an American car"  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 01:13 PM   #76 
        - Mercury Sable was the worst POS I ever encountered, sorry, but the car was shit  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 01:16 PM   #79 
           - We drove the sister to that auto for many trouble free years and many miles,  madokie   Feb-19-09 01:48 PM   #91 
           - I got mine at 70k and it was dead before 90k  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 01:52 PM   #93 
              - Color me skeptical.  SmileyRose   Feb-19-09 02:00 PM   #97 
                 - Um...did you read the part that my stepdad owned the company?  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 02:03 PM   #98 
                    - Like I said  SmileyRose   Feb-19-09 02:25 PM   #109 
                       - It was used by like 3 people and like I said, it only had 70k miles on it  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 02:29 PM   #110 
                          - Our business has fleet cars.  SmileyRose   Feb-19-09 02:49 PM   #113 
           - Quality of American cars  michreject   Feb-19-09 05:58 PM   #153 
        - Editor of Consumer Reports on Rachael Maddow disagrees big time  SmileyRose   Feb-19-09 01:55 PM   #94 
        - Japanese cars do not sell at Collector car auctions, period  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 02:08 PM   #100 
           - LOL - really?  SmileyRose   Feb-19-09 02:15 PM   #105 
              - Here are the greatest collector car auction houses in the world  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 02:53 PM   #114 
        - I own an American car and my husband owns a foreign car.  Kalyke   Feb-19-09 03:01 PM   #116 
        - The car I had was a 2002  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 03:16 PM   #120 
        - I drive a Saturn, made in Tennessee.  GentryDixon   Feb-19-09 04:21 PM   #143 
           - Saturns are an exception  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 08:01 PM   #156 
        - No. UAW members talk but they don't listen.  tomreedtoon   Feb-19-09 02:59 PM   #115 
        - Oh stop it.  SmileyRose   Feb-19-09 03:07 PM   #118 
        - To be fair, she is shopping and looking there.  GA_ArmyVet   Feb-19-09 03:12 PM   #119 
        - I commend and thank you for your service  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 03:56 PM   #139 
        - We've had this conversation too many times  proud2BlibKansan   Feb-19-09 03:48 PM   #137 
           - We will not have this conversation again.........  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 03:58 PM   #140 
     - Maybe clever answers is not what she's looking for either.  MineralMan   Feb-19-09 12:31 PM   #52 
        - Yes, those insults sure make the UAW seem really great, eh?  bobbolink   Feb-19-09 12:39 PM   #55 
           - Well, I own an American car, built by UAW workers,  MineralMan   Feb-19-09 12:53 PM   #60 
           - I agree.  bobbolink   Feb-19-09 12:58 PM   #67 
           - Yes who are we, that we buy Foreign over Domestic and complain about jobs  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 12:54 PM   #61 
              - The point is you're not willing over people by attacking them.  bobbolink   Feb-19-09 01:00 PM   #69 
              - DU is a lost cause for Domestic cars, I don't try to win anyone over  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 01:07 PM   #73 
                 - OK, then what's the point of posting in car purchase threads.  MineralMan   Feb-19-09 01:20 PM   #82 
                    - Exactly.  bobbolink   Feb-19-09 02:15 PM   #106 
                    - Heehee...half-assed American...  Shakespeare   Feb-19-09 03:20 PM   #122 
              - My point is very simple.  MineralMan   Feb-19-09 01:04 PM   #71 
              - Does it count if I have a GM car made overseas?  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 01:11 PM   #75 
                 - Maybe...Let's ask Dainbramaged...he can give you  MineralMan   Feb-19-09 01:17 PM   #80 
                 - Because I have a Saab and it's GM, which is supposed to be good, right?  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 01:17 PM   #81 
                    - Well, I think Saabs are pretty good cars, but  MineralMan   Feb-19-09 01:24 PM   #83 
                       - I don't know what to do  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 01:26 PM   #84 
                          - Well, you'd better do what you're told, I think.  MineralMan   Feb-19-09 01:32 PM   #87 
                 - There ya go. It's not so simple, or cut and dried. Not anymore.  bobbolink   Feb-19-09 02:16 PM   #107 
                    - But those profits go to Japan.  Kalyke   Feb-19-09 03:05 PM   #117 
                       - BINGO!  liberal N proud   Feb-19-09 03:30 PM   #128 
  - Heck... I'm just glad you weren't hurt....  hlthe2b   Feb-19-09 11:14 AM   #2 
  - That's pretty good gas mileage -- the accord is a decent sized car  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-19-09 11:14 AM   #3 
  - Isn't that the amazing thing...  liberal N proud   Feb-19-09 11:16 AM   #4 
  - That's what my gut tells me to do  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 11:24 AM   #7 
  - Honda Accord is an "american car".  Statistical   Feb-19-09 11:30 AM   #12 
     - Great advise  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 11:54 AM   #26 
     - "assembled" Look it up. nt  Romulox   Feb-19-09 11:55 AM   #27 
     - So I think you are saying a honda is "assembled" in the US  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 12:05 PM   #34 
        - Even that is faulty logic.  Statistical   Feb-19-09 12:14 PM   #38 
        - Nice job slaughtering that straw man! nt  Romulox   Feb-19-09 03:40 PM   #132 
        - Nope. A car must be made of all or substantially all US content to clame it is "Made in the USA"  Romulox   Feb-19-09 03:40 PM   #131 
     - Hondas hold their value VERY well, and last a LOOOONNNGGGG time.  kestrel91316   Feb-19-09 12:08 PM   #36 
        - My 84 Escort is still on the road as well getting better than 30 mpg city  SmileyRose   Feb-19-09 12:52 PM   #58 
           - Don't bother, this is DU, they don't believe you  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 01:15 PM   #77 
  - Isn't that the truth!  GoCubsGo   Feb-19-09 12:11 PM   #37 
  - Mileage is only half the story. In my experience, American cars tend to.. what's the word? Suck.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-19-09 01:16 PM   #78 
     - The vehicles the US companies make do not suck  blue_onyx   Feb-19-09 01:59 PM   #96 
     - I don't worship Honda. Given my druthers, though, I'll buy a Toyota every time.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-19-09 03:20 PM   #121 
        - Anecdotal evidence isn't enough to prove your argument  blue_onyx   Feb-19-09 03:45 PM   #136 
           - If you want people to listen to you, a good place to start is with coherent arguments that actually  Warren DeMontague   Feb-19-09 04:32 PM   #144 
              - You are a good judge of a coherent argument?  blue_onyx   Feb-19-09 04:53 PM   #150 
                 - For the record, I don't like the Accord, either.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-20-09 03:30 PM   #157 
     - Been driving a 2001 Chrysler for 150K  liberal N proud   Feb-19-09 02:23 PM   #108 
     - Fair enough. You have your experience, I have mine.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-19-09 03:21 PM   #123 
        - No big secret  liberal N proud   Feb-19-09 03:31 PM   #129 
     - And in mine, they don't.  damonm   Feb-19-09 03:22 PM   #124 
     - As do most American *people*. Coincedence? nt  Romulox   Feb-19-09 03:41 PM   #133 
        - I don't think Japanese *people* are any better or worse than American *people*.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-19-09 04:33 PM   #145 
           - I do. Americans are awful, unreliable, and poorly educated.  Romulox   Feb-19-09 04:36 PM   #147 
  - They both get the same mileage because the current Accord is much larger than the older ones.  JVS   Feb-19-09 11:18 AM   #5 
  - It depends on what you want to drive  Warpy   Feb-19-09 11:23 AM   #6 
  - You described the exact car that was stolen from me  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 11:28 AM   #9 
  - I have a '99 Taurus station wagon and I get 22 highway miles.  RebelOne   Feb-19-09 11:29 AM   #10 
     - I have a 5 door small sedan  Warpy   Feb-19-09 11:37 AM   #16 
        - What make/model - if you don't mind me asking.  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 11:59 AM   #30 
           - I needed decent cargo room  Warpy   Feb-19-09 12:18 PM   #42 
  - Get a little Ford Focus. Mr. Ogneopasno's pulling down 35 mpg with his. Union made in the USA,  ogneopasno   Feb-19-09 11:25 AM   #8 
  - I will check out the focus tomorrow  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 11:30 AM   #11 
     - Thank you  zagging   Feb-19-09 12:03 PM   #32 
     - Seconded on the Focus.  mwooldri   Feb-19-09 12:55 PM   #64 
     - The Focus rocks  Missy Vixen   Feb-19-09 01:56 PM   #95 
  - The difference isn't the gas mileage, it's 2-3 years from now.  serrano2008   Feb-19-09 11:32 AM   #13 
  - I don't understand  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 11:38 AM   #17 
  - Take a look in Consumer Reports annual car magazine.  serrano2008   Feb-19-09 11:51 AM   #24 
     - Doesn't Consumer Reports rely on self-reported data? That's not scientific. nt  Romulox   Feb-19-09 11:56 AM   #29 
        - We're wasting our time here, the dead-ender Foreign transplant supporters  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 12:18 PM   #43 
        - And yet you stay nt  Obamanaut   Feb-19-09 02:06 PM   #99 
        - Well, it is a survey so there is a margin of error but is there a scientific study that...  serrano2008   Feb-19-09 12:41 PM   #56 
        - Nope. Scientific surveys require a RANDOM sampling.  Romulox   Feb-19-09 03:43 PM   #134 
           - Edit: Delete.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-19-09 04:43 PM   #149 
        - Yes, it's all a conspiracy.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-19-09 01:47 PM   #90 
           - Right. Math and science are for eggheads. I judge the comparitive quality of autos by GUT feel!  Romulox   Feb-19-09 03:44 PM   #135 
              - You show me some quantitative math-and-science based evidence that shows Ford autos are superior  Warren DeMontague   Feb-19-09 04:41 PM   #148 
  - My daily driver is a 1991 Ford Explorer..  virginia mountainman   Feb-19-09 11:50 AM   #23 
  - Got any numbers to back that up? nt  Romulox   Feb-19-09 11:56 AM   #28 
  - I will take you to issue on the Focus.  mwooldri   Feb-19-09 12:45 PM   #57 
  - Every car rating organization in the country disagrees with you.  SmileyRose   Feb-19-09 02:34 PM   #112 
  - I will tell you that I had a 97 Accord for 10 years and got 282K miles out of it  RubyDuby in GA   Feb-19-09 11:33 AM   #14 
  - Is that amount of engine miles  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 11:41 AM   #19 
     - It is for me  proud2BlibKansan   Feb-19-09 11:47 AM   #21 
     - No My Dad's Driving a 98 or So Olds with Nearly 300k Miles  we can do it   Feb-19-09 11:53 AM   #25 
     - Not entirely  Wickerman   Feb-19-09 12:01 PM   #31 
  - was that Accord a v6? I had a 4 cyl. 2004 Accord and it got great gas mileage.  AlCzervik   Feb-19-09 11:35 AM   #15 
  - Between the both, v6 and 4 cyl,  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 12:18 PM   #41 
     - i had a the 4 cyl stick shift, it was a great car, most of my driving was city but i think  AlCzervik   Feb-19-09 12:20 PM   #45 
  - OMG!  renate   Feb-19-09 11:40 AM   #18 
  - passenger front door was unlocked.  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 11:49 AM   #22 
     - omG! That scenario just went from scary to absolutely nightmarish  renate   Feb-19-09 03:51 PM   #138 
  - That must have been horrible  Control-Z   Feb-19-09 11:42 AM   #20 
  - You should call your local senator and DEMAND a bailout  951-Riverside   Feb-19-09 12:04 PM   #33 
  - Ford Fusion  pnutbutr   Feb-19-09 12:05 PM   #35 
  - Lots of Fusions however are assembled in Mexico.  mwooldri   Feb-19-09 12:35 PM   #53 
  - After doing research, why would you think the MALIBU IS A GAS-GUZZLER?  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 12:16 PM   #39 
  - My point is - after doing the research I was surprised the malibu  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 12:31 PM   #51 
     - And you just got a heart from an appreciative UAW member  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 12:38 PM   #54 
        - Thank you  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 12:59 PM   #68 
        - Also, how would you suggest a single female go into a chevy  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 01:38 PM   #88 
           - FInd a friend, coworker or relative who is a negotiator. If you have  Obamanaut   Feb-19-09 02:10 PM   #102 
              - Better still...  damonm   Feb-19-09 03:32 PM   #130 
                 - Great idea,  Seedersandleechers   Feb-19-09 05:14 PM   #151 
  - Used Honda Civic Hybrid  Taverner   Feb-19-09 12:21 PM   #46 
  - I'd get a Saturn Aura  Alcibiades   Feb-19-09 12:22 PM   #47 
  - Frankly the Malibu is a nice car with good milage for something its size  n2doc   Feb-19-09 12:24 PM   #48 
  - I have a 2003 Malibu and the thing I noticed about them is  Debi   Feb-19-09 12:26 PM   #50 
  - Glad you are okay.  GinaMaria   Feb-19-09 12:55 PM   #62 
  - I would use Consumer Reports reliability ratings.  alarimer   Feb-19-09 12:55 PM   #65 
  - Consume Reports is a crock, their rating are biased and skewed by using too small  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 01:03 PM   #70 
  - do you have a better source of reliability data?  serrano2008   Feb-19-09 01:48 PM   #92 
     - Wrong question. Ask them about chlld safety seats.  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 02:12 PM   #103 
  - Consumer Reports reliability ratings for cars, trucks, and minivans: are they reliable?  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 07:17 PM   #155 
  - I'd recommend a VW Jetta TDI  tammywammy   Feb-19-09 12:58 PM   #66 
  - I have a Ford Fusion  onetiredmom   Feb-19-09 01:26 PM   #85 
  - I LOVE my "gentewagen" Jetta TDI  Lance_Boyle   Feb-19-09 03:22 PM   #125 
     - I have a TDI Beetle  tammywammy   Feb-19-09 03:26 PM   #126 
  - This last Spring I traded off my Ford Escort Wagon. I LOVED that car.  davsand   Feb-19-09 01:27 PM   #86 
  - Between the two, I'd get the Accord. The resale/trade value is much better.  flvegan   Feb-19-09 01:41 PM   #89 
  - Thanks BUD (I'll still give you another heart for owning a Ford)  DainBramaged   Feb-19-09 02:09 PM   #101 
     - Hey, I know you're not a big Consumer Reports fan, but good news.  flvegan   Feb-19-09 02:15 PM   #104 
  - I love my Malibu Maxx  kwassa   Feb-19-09 02:33 PM   #111 
  - I really like my Chevy barring a few electrical issues, it runs great, I'd hold off if you can and  Divine Discontent   Feb-19-09 03:28 PM   #127 
  - The Impalas are nice too  WolverineDG   Feb-19-09 04:10 PM   #141 
  - Check out this site - it may help you in your search.  merh   Feb-19-09 04:13 PM   #142 
  - Have you considered a Mazda 6? Very nice. And built in Flat Rock MI  Snotcicles   Feb-19-09 04:34 PM   #146 
  - I recommend against consulting a political message board about large purchases.  ContraBass Black   Feb-19-09 05:55 PM   #152 
  - I Like the Ford  WVRICK13   Feb-19-09 07:05 PM   #154 

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