| 223. I wouldn't say that Americans have inherited everything |
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Our society was built by people who set a firm foundation and it's maintained by constant vigilance and work.
Mexico and many other South American countries were built on corruption from day one. Mexico is a country of haves and have nots. It's the perfect Laissez-faire system (if there is such a thing) and exactly the "utopia" that Republicans seek for the US. They exploit their own people even more readily than the US does and it's fully supported by their government which is almost always in on the action. I don't feel any particular personal guilt for that situation. YMMV.
I agree the fault lies completely with those who exploit and I have never believed the problem can be solved by trying to deport all the illegal aliens or stop them at the border. The crackdown needs to occur with those who give them jobs. Dry up the jobs and they will stop coming and many will self deport. Fix the problem with the illegal aliens and we could allow a much larger number of aliens to legally immigrate. Furthermore I don't blame most of them for coming as generally they and their families are doing very poorly where they were.
As far as the term "illegal alien" goes, it's been around for about 200 years now. It doesn't dehumanize anyone anymore than calling any other group of lawbreakers lawbreakers. A person who steals food because they are hungry is still a thief. Their condition may mitigate or even eliminate whatever punishment they would normally deserve, but it doesn't change the fact that they knowingly broke the law. Again, changing the name in some attempt at being PC does not change the condition. The term has been widely accepted and is both grammatically and legally correct. Inventing new terms with the exact same meaning every few years to temporarily dodge alleged pejorative connotations just to make people feel better about themselves never really did anything for me. I'd rather call people out for using perfectly legitimate terms in the pejorative in the first place. It just makes more sense to me to address the problem rather than the symptom. YMMV.
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| -Note to Self: Anyone who calls a human being an "illegal" is an asshole |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 06:37 PM |
#0 |
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Can I call W. an "illegal president" since he was selected not elected? |
McCamy Taylor |
Feb-17-09 06:38 PM |
#1 |
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NO! That's "Illegal Resident" of the People's House. But, close enough, I guess, so okay! |
L. Coyote |
Feb-17-09 08:23 PM |
#104 |
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What do you call people who are not in this country legally? |
dkf |
Feb-17-09 06:41 PM |
#2 |
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undocumented |
RB TexLa |
Feb-17-09 06:44 PM |
#4 |
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So someone who immigrates to somewhere |
hughee99 |
Feb-17-09 06:49 PM |
#9 |
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For the fake paperwork |
customerserviceguy |
Feb-17-09 06:51 PM |
#12 |
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You understand that people are pretty much forced to commit that crime. |
backscatter712 |
Feb-17-09 09:52 PM |
#146 |
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No they are not forced to commit that crime. |
Lost in CT |
Feb-18-09 01:35 PM |
#211 |
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The Privileged White Liberal (PWL) strikes again. |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-18-09 03:14 PM |
#218 |
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Do you know how much a Porche Boxster costs? |
Lost in CT |
Feb-18-09 03:49 PM |
#222 |
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Again, clueless. |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-19-09 06:15 AM |
#230 |
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So being poor gives them the right to break American laws???? |
Lost in CT |
Feb-19-09 08:32 AM |
#236 |
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Desperate people do desperate things, including break the law. |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-19-09 08:39 AM |
#238 |
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Are you suggesting there are more countries in this world than America? |
Deja Q |
Feb-17-09 09:08 PM |
#131 |
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Drug dealer = unlicensed pharmacist |
customerserviceguy |
Feb-17-09 06:50 PM |
#10 |
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So you're saying illegal aliens are drug dealers? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 06:51 PM |
#14 |
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Self Delete |
hughee99 |
Feb-17-09 06:56 PM |
#20 |
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Sorry |
customerserviceguy |
Feb-17-09 07:57 PM |
#96 |
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No. |
mmonk |
Feb-19-09 08:31 AM |
#235 |
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Undocumented is also an adjective which seems to be the no-no |
dkf |
Feb-17-09 06:57 PM |
#22 |
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Are the undocumented here legally? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Feb-17-09 08:24 PM |
#105 |
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Bank robbers are Unwithdrawaled. Keep it pc, ok? nt |
joeunderdog |
Feb-17-09 10:24 PM |
#160 |
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No it's an unsecured loan. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Feb-17-09 11:36 PM |
#170 |
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That's a deliberate obfuscation, I think. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-18-09 07:50 AM |
#180 |
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If I were to steal your car, would simply be an "undocumented owner?" |
Freddie Stubbs |
Feb-18-09 03:29 PM |
#220 |
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What do you call people who forget their driver's license at home? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 06:44 PM |
#5 |
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Horny |
Deja Q |
Feb-17-09 09:11 PM |
#135 |
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Illegal alien is a thousand times better than "illegal" used as a noun |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:01 PM |
#25 |
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So "there were three undocumenteds in the car" won't fly either. |
dkf |
Feb-17-09 07:12 PM |
#33 |
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From a grammatical point of view, it is equally dumb |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:14 PM |
#41 |
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I think its just a lazy shortcut which says |
dkf |
Feb-17-09 07:18 PM |
#45 |
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Well, my post said they were assholes |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:20 PM |
#51 |
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Yeah but being verbally lazy doesn't necessarily mean asshole. |
dkf |
Feb-17-09 07:26 PM |
#66 |
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Verbal laziness plus disregard for decency = asshole |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:27 PM |
#67 |
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I'd just peg it as disregard for decency. |
dkf |
Feb-17-09 07:39 PM |
#79 |
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The OP was strictly a statement of personal code |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:44 PM |
#88 |
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Would you prefer... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 07:20 PM |
#52 |
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That is funny because my scenario where I pictured those |
dkf |
Feb-17-09 07:36 PM |
#75 |
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There were three conservatives in the car? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-17-09 08:45 PM |
#119 |
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criminal immigrants nt |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 07:13 PM |
#36 |
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Call them people. |
roody |
Feb-17-09 07:21 PM |
#57 |
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It's right up there with the n word and with "b!tch" as a class marker |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 06:42 PM |
#3 |
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Would invader work better for you? |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 06:46 PM |
#7 |
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Yes. Because in general, if I'm talking to a StormFront poster, I want to know. |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 06:47 PM |
#8 |
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What do you call someone, |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 06:51 PM |
#13 |
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Well, unless you're Native American... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 06:53 PM |
#16 |
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lol |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 06:55 PM |
#18 |
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Nice |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 06:58 PM |
#23 |
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Don't like a taste of your own medicine, eh? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 07:00 PM |
#24 |
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What medicine would that be? |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 07:04 PM |
#26 |
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Not an insult |
duhneece |
Feb-18-09 11:52 AM |
#190 |
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Ka-Pow!!! |
LanternWaste |
Feb-18-09 01:12 PM |
#206 |
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Wouldn't that depend on why they crossed the border? |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 06:55 PM |
#17 |
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If it was without reason, I'd call them lost or senile. |
noamnety |
Feb-17-09 07:21 PM |
#55 |
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You really think it's without reason? |
alarimer |
Feb-17-09 08:14 PM |
#102 |
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Of course they have a reason. They want something to which they are not legally entitled. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-17-09 08:42 PM |
#117 |
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They are "closely aligned" with those who are exploiting them? |
treestar |
Feb-17-09 09:00 PM |
#126 |
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Fine. Step up immigration enforcement to protect them from exploitative gringos. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-17-09 09:06 PM |
#130 |
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Can they afford to stay in business? |
treestar |
Feb-18-09 10:32 AM |
#188 |
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Trees need planting. Roofs need roofing. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-18-09 11:30 AM |
#189 |
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They are "closely aligned" with those who are exploiting them? |
treestar |
Feb-17-09 09:00 PM |
#127 |
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An interloper |
mitchum |
Feb-18-09 03:20 PM |
#219 |
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Space Invader? It's on! |
leftstreet |
Feb-17-09 06:51 PM |
#11 |
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Agreed |
marksmithfield |
Feb-17-09 07:47 PM |
#91 |
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terrifying |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:48 PM |
#92 |
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Uh, you can't be serious. |
a la izquierda |
Feb-17-09 10:23 PM |
#158 |
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Perfectly legitimate term in the spy world. n/t |
formercia |
Feb-17-09 06:45 PM |
#6 |
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"illegal" refers to the person's immigration status, it doesn't mean "illegal human". |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 06:53 PM |
#15 |
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I hope you don't fall into that crock of RW baloney. And while we're at it |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 06:57 PM |
#21 |
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Here we go again |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 07:06 PM |
#28 |
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You sure do like labels, don't you? What's the matter? |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:08 PM |
#31 |
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So, don't agree with the resident apologist |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 07:12 PM |
#35 |
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"Resident apologist." |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 07:13 PM |
#37 |
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I think he was calling me a wetback. |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:18 PM |
#46 |
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You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel, sad. |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 07:31 PM |
#71 |
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Not at all. I'm an excellent decoder of bigotry. |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:34 PM |
#73 |
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And what bigotry are you talking about. |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 07:40 PM |
#81 |
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Calling them "invaders." |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 07:43 PM |
#85 |
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So people come here illegally enmasse |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 07:20 PM |
#53 |
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Well, if it was good enough for your great great granmama... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 07:25 PM |
#61 |
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My family came here legally |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 07:50 PM |
#93 |
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And my Irish grandfather lived in Brooklyn since the Ice Age |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 08:10 PM |
#100 |
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Here's the problem I have with that attitude |
MajorChode |
Feb-18-09 01:46 AM |
#176 |
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I wouldn't say responsible but they damn sure ought to think about |
Raineyb |
Feb-18-09 01:33 PM |
#210 |
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I wouldn't say that Americans have inherited everything |
MajorChode |
Feb-18-09 04:33 PM |
#223 |
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I did not use the phrase "illegal alien" I said the use of the term "illegals" denoted |
Raineyb |
Feb-19-09 02:26 AM |
#227 |
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"illegals" is simply an informal shortening of "illegal alien" |
MajorChode |
Feb-19-09 09:48 AM |
#239 |
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And you know the demographics of illegal aliens how? Did you take a census? |
Raineyb |
Feb-19-09 11:43 AM |
#241 |
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Do you have anything more than false accusations and false outrage? |
MajorChode |
Feb-19-09 12:08 PM |
#242 |
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I do not like to get involved in a battle of wits with an unarmed person |
Raineyb |
Feb-19-09 12:21 PM |
#244 |
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I never called you any names |
MajorChode |
Feb-19-09 12:33 PM |
#245 |
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Hermanito, I'd never expect you to agree with me. |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:15 PM |
#42 |
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Im thinking it was from the start |
zane25 |
Feb-17-09 07:26 PM |
#65 |
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You have to watch people like me every minute. We're sneaky! |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:29 PM |
#68 |
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So do you. |
Bluebear |
Feb-17-09 09:10 PM |
#134 |
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Thank you, Odin2005. I agree totally. The Political Correctness Police are out in force. |
bertman |
Feb-17-09 07:26 PM |
#64 |
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So, should we bring back the n word and "bitch"? |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:30 PM |
#69 |
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Fallacious argument. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:10 PM |
#98 |
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There you go trying to interject logic and reason into the argument |
MajorChode |
Feb-19-09 01:23 PM |
#247 |
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Thanks for making sense. |
emilyg |
Feb-17-09 08:36 PM |
#112 |
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Logical and accepted. |
Deja Q |
Feb-17-09 09:09 PM |
#133 |
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Guess what. They get treated like illegal humans. |
backscatter712 |
Feb-18-09 01:04 PM |
#205 |
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We need to complete the border fence to keep the illegal alien slave wage workers......... |
Double T |
Feb-17-09 06:56 PM |
#19 |
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"undocumented" is PC bullshit |
DS1 |
Feb-17-09 07:04 PM |
#27 |
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I have no problem with "illegal immigrant" |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:06 PM |
#29 |
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Well, your OP sure makes it seem that way. |
MadBadger |
Feb-17-09 07:07 PM |
#30 |
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My OP is very clear: I don't like the term "illegal" used as a noun |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:13 PM |
#38 |
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You never heard of an "undocumented withdrawer" ? |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 07:12 PM |
#34 |
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haha. That is funny! |
dkf |
Feb-17-09 07:15 PM |
#43 |
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Unless you're of the turn of mind that thinks basic human dignity is PC bullshit |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:13 PM |
#39 |
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Oh nice try, I'm a bigot now? |
DS1 |
Feb-17-09 07:19 PM |
#48 |
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You say "holier than thou", I say "basic human dignity". |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:21 PM |
#56 |
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Either you agree with her 100%, or you're a bigot. Those are the only choices |
Romulox |
Feb-18-09 11:59 AM |
#193 |
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Agreed. n/t |
tammywammy |
Feb-17-09 07:44 PM |
#87 |
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I don't know how these frail thin-skinned people cope with life |
Dukkha |
Feb-17-09 08:55 PM |
#124 |
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No no no |
marksmithfield |
Feb-18-09 06:34 AM |
#179 |
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I see it differently |
duhneece |
Feb-18-09 12:00 PM |
#194 |
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criminal is the more appropriate term |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 07:11 PM |
#32 |
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Ah, but undocumented workers are neither trespassing nor stealing. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 07:14 PM |
#40 |
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Virtually all participate in identity theft |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 07:19 PM |
#49 |
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Virtually all complainers about illegal immigrants are meth addicts. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 07:26 PM |
#63 |
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Being undocumented it not a criminal offense, Lou. n/t |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:16 PM |
#44 |
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identity theft certainly is |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 07:21 PM |
#54 |
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That's very interesting. Let's see some documentation. |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:24 PM |
#59 |
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So stealing from the dead makes it ok? |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 07:33 PM |
#72 |
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So you're in favor of amnesty then. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 07:35 PM |
#74 |
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In principle I don't have a problem with amnesty |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 07:39 PM |
#78 |
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I thought you were trying to solve identity theft? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 07:41 PM |
#83 |
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We face more than one problem as a nation. |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 07:50 PM |
#94 |
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Let's see the stats on what you're calling "identity theft". Provide a source. |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:37 PM |
#76 |
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Provide a source that the victims are mostly dead |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 07:39 PM |
#80 |
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Your numbers don't match the statistics. |
Cerridwen |
Feb-17-09 08:22 PM |
#103 |
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Those are your numbers and your statistics |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 09:18 PM |
#138 |
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Well, I sure as hell can't argue with "logic" like that. |
Cerridwen |
Feb-17-09 10:10 PM |
#151 |
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Please don't be so rude. |
yodoobo |
Feb-17-09 11:04 PM |
#167 |
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Trying to immigrate to this country illegally is a criminal offense. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:14 PM |
#101 |
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Got that right! |
marksmithfield |
Feb-18-09 02:22 PM |
#216 |
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"Illegal presence" is a is not a violation of the U.S. criminal code. |
Lasher |
Feb-19-09 03:05 AM |
#229 |
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kick, strongly recommend, fully agree. |
noamnety |
Feb-17-09 07:19 PM |
#47 |
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Or "Alien." |
demosincebirth |
Feb-17-09 07:19 PM |
#50 |
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C'mon that's just silly |
RedstDem |
Feb-17-09 07:21 PM |
#58 |
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Big fan of the apostrophe "s" to form a plural? |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:24 PM |
#60 |
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Whatever happened to "spiks" or "wetbacks"? |
EFerrari |
Feb-17-09 07:26 PM |
#62 |
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It's a way of dehumanizing poor people and dealing with them mercilessly. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-17-09 07:31 PM |
#70 |
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That's how I see it, too |
duhneece |
Feb-18-09 12:04 PM |
#195 |
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I guess I'm an asshole. |
bbinacan |
Feb-17-09 07:38 PM |
#77 |
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1 out of 2 ain't bad. |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:45 PM |
#89 |
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I'm 2 for 2. n/t |
bbinacan |
Feb-17-09 09:28 PM |
#139 |
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Eesh... |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 10:05 PM |
#148 |
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I tend to agree. "Illegal aliens" *can* be used as an epithet... |
BlooInBloo |
Feb-17-09 07:41 PM |
#82 |
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I can live with that. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-17-09 07:41 PM |
#84 |
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Hmm. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-17-09 07:44 PM |
#86 |
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The problem with zippy one-liners... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-17-09 08:39 PM |
#115 |
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What, exactly, is the "migrant worker business"? |
Ghost in the Machine |
Feb-17-09 08:54 PM |
#123 |
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Who said that? Not me. |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 07:46 PM |
#90 |
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People here have absolutely argued for illegal immigration because open borders are a human right.nt |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-17-09 08:34 PM |
#110 |
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If you say so... |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 08:36 PM |
#113 |
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You are one of the most thoughtful, compassionate and kind people here at DU. |
Mike 03 |
Feb-17-09 07:51 PM |
#95 |
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Now I know you're putting me on |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 08:07 PM |
#97 |
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I was being honest. To prove it, I'm giving you my last heart. |
Mike 03 |
Feb-17-09 08:10 PM |
#99 |
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Then call me an asshole.... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 08:26 PM |
#106 |
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It's an asshole term |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 08:29 PM |
#107 |
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They are..... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 08:32 PM |
#109 |
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It's shorthand used by assholes |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 08:36 PM |
#111 |
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Ok.....so you don't like the term.... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 08:53 PM |
#122 |
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That's nice for you |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 10:04 PM |
#147 |
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Now see...you are defining my very eistence... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 10:07 PM |
#149 |
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The what now? |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 10:08 PM |
#150 |
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By the mere use of the word.... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 10:11 PM |
#152 |
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Your feelings are immaterial |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 10:21 PM |
#156 |
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I just said illegal right now.... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 10:24 PM |
#159 |
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Okay, asshole. n/t |
backscatter712 |
Feb-17-09 09:32 PM |
#141 |
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Holy cow. I agree with you. |
yewberry |
Feb-17-09 08:31 PM |
#108 |
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Apparently, it's just "shorthand" |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 08:37 PM |
#114 |
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Those words have different meanings. |
dustbunnie |
Feb-17-09 08:44 PM |
#118 |
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I'm stunned that there are so many people defending the term. |
yewberry |
Feb-17-09 08:47 PM |
#120 |
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There's a problem with using the term... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 08:50 PM |
#121 |
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You actually refer to people as "blacks?" |
yewberry |
Feb-17-09 09:01 PM |
#128 |
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Well...when the people are black..... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 09:09 PM |
#132 |
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Nice. |
yewberry |
Feb-17-09 09:18 PM |
#137 |
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Who defines it as dehumanizing??? |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 10:18 PM |
#154 |
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Everyone. |
yewberry |
Feb-18-09 12:23 AM |
#171 |
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What is wrong with Black white or gay? When did this happen? |
Lost in CT |
Feb-18-09 03:39 PM |
#221 |
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In the UK, "blacks" and "whites" are fairly standard usage. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-18-09 08:01 AM |
#182 |
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Bullshit. I was an illegal once. |
cobalt1999 |
Feb-17-09 08:42 PM |
#116 |
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calling them "aliens" isn't much better. |
suninvited |
Feb-17-09 08:57 PM |
#125 |
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+1 |
Bluebear |
Feb-17-09 09:02 PM |
#129 |
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Calling people "asshole" ain't real nice, either. |
AzDar |
Feb-17-09 09:12 PM |
#136 |
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The problem with "illegals" is not that it's "mean," or "not nice" |
alcibiades_mystery |
Feb-17-09 10:14 PM |
#153 |
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Yep...silly you... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 10:19 PM |
#155 |
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Gotta love a system which creates an entire undercaste of illegal people. |
backscatter712 |
Feb-17-09 09:29 PM |
#140 |
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Amazing that some don't even know that the term is offensive. |
Vattel |
Feb-17-09 09:35 PM |
#142 |
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What's really ironic... |
backscatter712 |
Feb-17-09 09:37 PM |
#143 |
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Well.... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 09:42 PM |
#144 |
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Let's just say it would be nice if there was a way to resolve that illegal crossing crime... |
backscatter712 |
Feb-17-09 09:49 PM |
#145 |
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Permanent deportation??? |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 10:23 PM |
#157 |
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Again, we have this false equivalence. |
backscatter712 |
Feb-17-09 10:26 PM |
#161 |
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Moral equivalent??? |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 10:30 PM |
#162 |
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Fair enough. |
backscatter712 |
Feb-17-09 10:37 PM |
#166 |
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The point is that they broke the law... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 11:29 PM |
#168 |
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And do the consequences have to be deportation? |
backscatter712 |
Feb-18-09 12:28 AM |
#172 |
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If the only consequence for illegal immigration... |
Fountain79 |
Feb-18-09 09:22 AM |
#187 |
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Perhaps you should be asking yourself why... |
backscatter712 |
Feb-18-09 12:16 PM |
#196 |
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I HATE this subject. |
a la izquierda |
Feb-17-09 10:31 PM |
#163 |
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So by living in Mexico you have become enlightened in some way |
Fountain79 |
Feb-17-09 11:34 PM |
#169 |
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Yeah, I have. |
a la izquierda |
Feb-18-09 12:51 PM |
#203 |
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I saw a little taste of it myself. |
backscatter712 |
Feb-18-09 12:30 PM |
#197 |
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When you the kids selling stuff... |
a la izquierda |
Feb-18-09 12:47 PM |
#201 |
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Spot on. Welcome to the new Apartheid. |
backscatter712 |
Feb-18-09 12:56 PM |
#204 |
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The Mexicans were here first. This is their country more than ours. We're the illegals, not them. |
Mr. Hyde |
Feb-17-09 10:32 PM |
#164 |
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Wrong. |
MellowDem |
Feb-18-09 08:50 AM |
#185 |
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Who do you think are the Mexicans? |
backscatter712 |
Feb-18-09 12:37 PM |
#199 |
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Who do you think are the Americans? |
MellowDem |
Feb-18-09 01:23 PM |
#209 |
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Please purchase and read a history book. Thanks. nt |
Romulox |
Feb-18-09 11:58 AM |
#192 |
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Agreed |
southern_dem |
Feb-17-09 10:36 PM |
#165 |
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You'd better watch it...you're gonna be called a bigot. |
U4ikLefty |
Feb-18-09 12:48 AM |
#174 |
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Part of the problem is the distinction between "illegal" and "legal". |
backscatter712 |
Feb-18-09 12:44 PM |
#200 |
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Does that include the illegal immigrants who call each other "illegals"? |
Common Sense Party |
Feb-18-09 12:37 AM |
#173 |
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Indocumentado is the word you want. n/t |
EFerrari |
Feb-18-09 02:02 AM |
#177 |
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Everyone seems to be missing your point. I'm surprised your statement is controversial at all. |
ContinentalOp |
Feb-18-09 12:51 AM |
#175 |
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Do you call soda pop "soda"? |
silverojo |
Feb-18-09 03:47 AM |
#178 |
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Illegal immigrants. "Undocumented" and "Alien" are both prejudicial (in opposite directions). |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-18-09 07:57 AM |
#181 |
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A basic literacy lesson is in order |
MajorChode |
Feb-19-09 01:06 AM |
#226 |
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Yes, it is. Go look up the word "connotations". |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-19-09 08:04 AM |
#232 |
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Yes what is? You suck eggs? |
MajorChode |
Feb-19-09 08:23 AM |
#234 |
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Well, people are not illegal... |
Deep13 |
Feb-18-09 08:46 AM |
#183 |
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I guess I'm an asshole |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Feb-18-09 08:48 AM |
#184 |
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How about "illegal immigrant"? |
MellowDem |
Feb-18-09 08:54 AM |
#186 |
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The US Code uses the phrase "illegal alien", so it is the appropriate term. nt |
Romulox |
Feb-18-09 11:55 AM |
#191 |
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When the MSM |
Control-Z |
Feb-18-09 12:35 PM |
#198 |
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Is there a correct word? |
backscatter712 |
Feb-18-09 12:51 PM |
#202 |
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This sounds like Repuglican logic. You a Repuglican? |
ItNerd4life |
Feb-18-09 01:19 PM |
#207 |
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Legal immigrants "take american jobs from americans" too. |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-18-09 01:43 PM |
#213 |
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I saw three illegals on my way to work this morning.... |
LanternWaste |
Feb-18-09 01:21 PM |
#208 |
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Were they European, Russian or Canadian? nt |
eilen |
Feb-18-09 01:38 PM |
#212 |
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Probably Russian... |
LanternWaste |
Feb-18-09 01:52 PM |
#215 |
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A lot of really obtuse people in this thread. |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-18-09 01:50 PM |
#214 |
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Not everyone who has used the term |
Control-Z |
Feb-18-09 09:16 PM |
#225 |
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Can I add to the OP that anyone who whines about something being "PC" |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-19-09 06:17 AM |
#231 |
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bullshit |
Control-Z |
Feb-19-09 10:04 AM |
#240 |
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In total agreement - |
Maat |
Feb-18-09 03:11 PM |
#217 |
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Illegal is an adjective, and asshole is a part of the body |
marshall |
Feb-18-09 05:02 PM |
#224 |
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Agreed. The term "illegal aliens" dehumanizes an entire stratum of our society... |
VOX |
Feb-19-09 02:36 AM |
#228 |
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Great point. I wonder how we would react to someone calling African Americans "Three-fifths", |
pampango |
Feb-19-09 08:22 AM |
#233 |
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They weren't even called that at the time |
MajorChode |
Feb-19-09 07:20 PM |
#250 |
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Illegal immigration doesn't merit the scare quotes, I think. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-19-09 07:46 PM |
#251 |
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So what is the proper terminology for someone like me? |
WilmywoodNCparalegal |
Feb-19-09 08:37 AM |
#237 |
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I suppose if you subscribe to the backwards logic of some posters in this thread... |
MajorChode |
Feb-19-09 01:28 PM |
#248 |
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good point |
fascisthunter |
Feb-19-09 12:17 PM |
#243 |
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Is the objection to the choice of adjective, or to the absence of noun? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-19-09 12:41 PM |
#246 |
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Good question |
MajorChode |
Feb-19-09 04:03 PM |
#249 |