|
Bush told us to go shopping. Instead of leading the citizenry in righteous anger at the terrorists, he told us to ignore it and go on as life was before.
WWII geared the entire society to a war footing. Civilian factories changed to Defence factories overnight. You couldn't buy new merchandise. You were encouraged to conserve so that the military could get the supplies it needed to win an all-out war. And that's what it was. An all-out war. Young men disappeared out of towns. A great many enlisted after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Many others were drafted. To finance the war, all Americans were encouraged to purchase War Bonds.
That's why.
|
| -Did FDR Really End the Depression? |
louis c |
Feb-17-09 05:57 AM |
#0 |
 -
Older Americans universally believe |
Enthusiast |
Feb-17-09 06:21 AM |
#1 |
 -
Not universally.. |
skooooo |
Feb-17-09 08:38 AM |
#30 |
| -
If he was, say, 68 years old |
Enthusiast |
Feb-17-09 09:57 AM |
#54 |
| -
I am 6 feet, 215 pounds |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 11:58 AM |
#72 |
 -
True and well said Bama fan. nt |
Enthusiast |
Feb-17-09 12:22 PM |
#74 |
| -
yep. Even my conservative grandparents and parents would |
GinaMaria |
Feb-17-09 01:19 PM |
#91 |
| -
My right wing aunt and uncle are the same. They even own a copy of Eleanor and Franklin. |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 01:35 PM |
#96 |
| -
Not universally. See my below post. nt |
Ladyhawk |
Feb-17-09 01:44 PM |
#101 |
| -
dont the elderly in the USA |
reggie the dog |
Feb-17-09 03:58 PM |
#140 |
| -
My father's family had a sarcastic saying whenever something good happened |
Arugula Latte |
Feb-17-09 12:54 PM |
#84 |
| -
My grandfather hated FDR for taking the country off the gold standard. |
Ladyhawk |
Feb-17-09 01:43 PM |
#100 |
| -
Yeah, and the seismic activity in Missouri... |
damonm |
Feb-17-09 08:46 PM |
#198 |
| -
You seem to get my point (NT) |
louis c |
Feb-18-09 06:46 PM |
#223 |
| -
I sort of think like this my self. |
izzie |
Feb-17-09 06:23 AM |
#2 |
| -
Unemployment rate is not the only story.. |
Almost_there |
Feb-17-09 06:26 AM |
#3 |
| -
There's a lot to the story.. |
sendero |
Feb-17-09 06:31 AM |
#4 |
| -
GDP took out its 1929 high in 1937. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 07:26 AM |
#13 |
| -
Give Truman Some Props... |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-17-09 06:50 AM |
#5 |
| -
The GI Bill was laudable but my heart and soul tells me that Truman was cast TO HELL ... |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 07:13 AM |
#7 |
| -
Presidencies Are Complex |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-17-09 07:21 AM |
#11 |
| -
War is EVIL. You can NOT dismiss the nuking of civilians with the excuse of "complexity." |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 07:23 AM |
#12 |
| -
p.s. There's a competing argument to what your parents claim that Japan was on the |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 07:27 AM |
#14 |
| -
Most of the Pacific Command, including McArthur, |
bvar22 |
Feb-17-09 05:12 PM |
#164 |
| -
The intellectual dishonesty of Doug Long's website rears its head. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:22 PM |
#168 |
| -
In your opinion..... |
bvar22 |
Feb-17-09 05:41 PM |
#173 |
| -
Then by all means explain what conventional method of warfare would have resulted in less death |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 07:50 PM |
#193 |
| -
Here is only one of many. |
bvar22 |
Feb-17-09 09:20 PM |
#205 |
| -
Cutting & pasting is no substitute for actual argument, and nothing in that post suggests |
Raskolnik |
Feb-18-09 08:08 AM |
#220 |
| -
What was FDRs opinion of using the weapon that |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:14 PM |
#179 |
| -
YOU "suspect" that Hiroshima and Nagasaki .... |
bvar22 |
Feb-17-09 09:10 PM |
#201 |
| -
The man ordered the bomb built |
Thothmes |
Feb-18-09 05:22 AM |
#213 |
| -
I Condemn All Wars... |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-17-09 07:30 AM |
#16 |
| -
Nope, Truman unleashed the first NUKES on civilians. In my book, that makes him especially EVIL. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 07:31 AM |
#18 |
| -
Would The Deaths Of Millions Of Japanese Been Better? |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-17-09 07:41 AM |
#19 |
| -
What part of NUCLEAR WAR and GENOCIDE of the human race can you not understand? |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:20 AM |
#39 |
| -
So How Would You Have Ended That War? |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-17-09 11:20 AM |
#68 |
| -
Many military scholars were of ... |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:27 PM |
#93 |
| -
Just because Ike thought Japan was about to surrender didn't mean they were going to surrender. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:20 PM |
#117 |
| -
Of the options available to Truman in August 1945, what would you have had him choose instead? |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 12:29 PM |
#76 |
| -
The best option was to wait a couple weeks |
Jim Lane |
Feb-18-09 03:47 AM |
#211 |
| -
You mean the weapons that FDR built. |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:15 PM |
#180 |
| -
Hiroshima |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 07:45 AM |
#20 |
| -
Welcome to DU! |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:37 AM |
#29 |
| -
Thanks for the welcome |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 08:46 AM |
#32 |
| -
We didn't HAVE to use nuclear weapons. The notion that we saved lives is BULLSHIT that |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:23 AM |
#41 |
| -
The fact that Truman is the only one that has used them is a testament to our self control. |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 09:27 AM |
#44 |
| -
Bullshit! " self control"?!? W was all fired up to use bunker busters (mini-nukes). |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:33 AM |
#46 |
| -
Lithium. Start taking it. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:17 PM |
#114 |
| -
Civility. Start practicing it. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 08:33 PM |
#195 |
| -
Maybe the evil belongs to the man that ordered them built. |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:18 PM |
#181 |
| -
While I agree with you (except for the Hell thing), we do tend to over-react to the use of atomic |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 08:24 AM |
#24 |
| -
I have always felt the A-bombs were used to send a signal to Russia |
rurallib |
Feb-17-09 10:38 AM |
#60 |
| -
BINGO! |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-17-09 06:03 PM |
#178 |
| -
You made the point I was getting at with Dresden |
Zomby Woof |
Feb-17-09 11:12 AM |
#65 |
| -
Dresden was WRONG. Even Churchill knew that. He should have said 'no' to Harris. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 01:37 PM |
#97 |
| -
Looks like seeing shades of gray is beyond your cognitive abillities. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:28 AM |
# |
| -
Say it with me: NUCLEAR ! ! ! There is no Reset button when "the balloon goes up." |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:26 AM |
#43 |
| -
You are very high-strung |
Zomby Woof |
Feb-17-09 11:14 AM |
#66 |
| -
You are very dismissive of Truman opening the door to Nuclear Armageddon. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:41 PM |
#77 |
| -
FALLACY ALERT!!! |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:16 PM |
#113 |
| -
You know that WWII was filled with numerous acts that caused more death and destruction |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 02:18 PM |
#115 |
| -
Dogmatic black-and-white thinking is her M. O. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:12 PM |
#112 |
| -
No, I'm far from dogmatic but I know ONE indisputable fact. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:56 PM |
#159 |
| -
Like I said, nuance is obviously beyond you. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:05 PM |
#109 |
| -
With your mindset "USA! USA! #1" I am understanding how "W" lied us into an immoral and illegal war. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 05:07 PM |
#162 |
| -
For someone who is accused of being unable to grasp nuance, you are doing a remarkably |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:23 PM |
#170 |
| -
I was opposed to the Iraq debacle from day 1. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 06:43 PM |
#190 |
| -
Your focus is a bit off |
zipplewrath |
Feb-17-09 09:00 AM |
#36 |
| -
What is "PRACTICAL" about this ... |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:28 AM |
#45 |
| -
Semantic word play won't change reality |
zipplewrath |
Feb-17-09 10:08 AM |
#55 |
| -
Will Israel use "Truman's Example" to PRACTICALLY bomb Iran. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 10:32 AM |
#58 |
| -
Dubious |
zipplewrath |
Feb-17-09 11:39 AM |
#70 |
| -
No! A distinctly possible scenario. Israel has (or can obtain) all the technology. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:47 PM |
#80 |
| -
Please do cite |
zipplewrath |
Feb-18-09 07:10 AM |
#215 |
| -
Dupe Delete |
zipplewrath |
Feb-18-09 07:10 AM |
#216 |
| -
Nanking |
Zomby Woof |
Feb-17-09 11:17 AM |
#67 |
| -
Hey, we can trade war atrocity stories all day but only one EVIL bastard used NUKES on innocents. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:08 PM |
#88 |
| -
Then what was the better course of action in August 1945? n/t |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 02:20 PM |
#116 |
| -
The Japanese were warned THREE times before Hiroshima and they still wouldn't surrender. |
whathehell |
Feb-17-09 03:49 PM |
#139 |
| -
Naive, whiny, handwringing, bullshit |
Zomby Woof |
Feb-17-09 11:05 AM |
#64 |
| -
Eisenhower, you know = a REAL military man, despised Truman for using the bomb. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:11 PM |
#89 |
| -
By many accounts Japan was looking for a way to surrender without "losing face." |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:19 PM |
#90 |
| -
some people think it's a-ok to wipe out millions with a nuke |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 02:39 PM |
#124 |
| -
If it wasn't ok to use nuclear weapons, what option was acceptable? |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 02:50 PM |
#126 |
| -
there was the option of fighting a war the way we always have |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 03:08 PM |
#129 |
| -
"fighting a war the way we always have" |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 03:16 PM |
#136 |
| -
they could have fought on like the Japs were willing to |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 03:27 PM |
#137 |
| -
So vicious hand-to-hand invasion that would likely have extended the war by many months, |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 03:34 PM |
#138 |
| -
I guess The Japs were willing to go all the way and America wasn't |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 04:12 PM |
#141 |
| -
What the hell are you talking about? What does "willing to go all the way" even mean? |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:20 PM |
#142 |
| -
and I think your last sentence is regurgitated garbage |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 04:29 PM |
#143 |
| -
Then it should be easy for you to explain how continuing the conventional war against Japan |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:38 PM |
#147 |
| -
These people were not innocent |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:25 PM |
#184 |
| -
"... morally preferrable to the use of nuclear weapons?" |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:42 PM |
#151 |
| -
Then what was the affirmative course of action to take? |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:48 PM |
#156 |
| -
Yes, they call us "trolls" and "histrionic" because we side with both Eisenhower and humanity. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:41 PM |
#150 |
| -
Just so you know, cutting & pasting a quote from Eisenhower does not |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:46 PM |
#154 |
| -
But you didn't read CLOSE enough. Eisenhower maintained that attitude AFTER the fact. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 05:10 PM |
#163 |
| -
I really don't mean to be rude, but that post didn't make any sense. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:17 PM |
#166 |
| -
They were not his pretty weapons |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:21 PM |
#183 |
| -
The firebombings of Germany and Japan killed far more people than nukes ever have. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 03:11 PM |
#132 |
| -
The notion that Japan would not surrender |
14thColony |
Feb-18-09 12:26 PM |
#221 |
| -
And he reintegrated the returning GIs into the economy by pushing women |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 07:55 AM |
#21 |
| -
Returning G.I.s |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 08:15 AM |
#22 |
| -
It was too short lived, was highly racial and sexist, and was mostly FDR, but it did happen. |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 08:37 AM |
#28 |
| -
There was a certain Henry Wallace character in FDR's cabinet who was an interesting guy. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:48 AM |
#34 |
| -
Wallace was a flake |
Zomby Woof |
Feb-17-09 11:25 AM |
#69 |
| -
Thanks for explaining that. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:27 PM |
#120 |
| -
Thanks for the welcome |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 08:51 AM |
#35 |
| -
WTF? I highly doubt Truman personally ordered women to quit their jobs. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:43 AM |
#31 |
| -
I doubt that Idiot Frat Boy personally ordered the massacre of Iraqi either, what's your point? |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 09:34 AM |
#47 |
| -
Gerry Ford? Oh, come on. That's a pathetic insult to Truman. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:03 PM |
#106 |
| -
The New Deal didn't fight policies making it legal to fire female govt. employees... |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 03:13 PM |
#135 |
| -
It was legal in the 30s for the govt. to fire female govt. employees if their husbands were employed |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 03:12 PM |
#133 |
| -
Not this BS Monday morning quarterbacking AGAIN! |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:25 AM |
#25 |
| -
Yes, and we could PLAY GOD with the use of nuclear weapons. What will Pakistan do since |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:38 AM |
#48 |
| -
I see you're being as irrational and preachy as usual. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 01:58 PM |
#103 |
| -
"... playing God remark insulting." From an individual with screen name ODIN?!? |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 08:54 PM |
#199 |
| -
Are you also counting the hundreds of thousands of people born decades after the Bomb? |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-17-09 05:58 PM |
#177 |
| -
I suppose that you would have supported an invasion of Japan. |
olegramps |
Feb-17-09 08:47 AM |
#33 |
| -
You buy into revisionist history? There were OTHER reports that Japan was ready to surrender. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:42 AM |
#49 |
| -
As oppose to what? |
zipplewrath |
Feb-17-09 10:17 AM |
#56 |
| -
You want to talk WHAT gets "real horrible, real fast?" How about NUCLEAR WAR? |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:53 PM |
#82 |
| -
I'm suggesting he didn't break the locks |
zipplewrath |
Feb-18-09 07:40 AM |
#219 |
| -
I take it that you father was not one of the ETO |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:31 PM |
#185 |
| -
My greatuncle was on one of the planes headed towards a staging area |
rolltideroll |
Feb-18-09 07:25 AM |
#218 |
| -
You're very wrong. The man made the most difficult decision in the history of the world. Who are |
poverlay |
Feb-17-09 11:03 AM |
#62 |
| -
Truman |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 12:02 PM |
#73 |
| -
Truman valued *some* human life as more valuable. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:44 PM |
#79 |
| -
Of course he valued some lives over others. He was the president of the U.S., not the U.N. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 02:47 PM |
#125 |
| -
He weighed American lives versus Japanese lives. That's a military decision and the right one. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 03:13 PM |
#134 |
| -
"a right one." |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:50 PM |
#157 |
| -
That's the decision a U.S. president SHOULD make. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 07:53 PM |
#194 |
| -
Then ANY leader |
verges |
Feb-17-09 10:25 PM |
#206 |
| -
A "good man" does not kill innocents with NUCLEAR weapons because he considers that |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:42 PM |
#78 |
| -
Japans use of civilians |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 01:34 PM |
#94 |
| -
Yadda yadda yadda, they're SAVAGE ... yadda. NUCLEAR WEAPONS. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:59 PM |
#104 |
| -
No doubt about that. |
verges |
Feb-17-09 10:33 PM |
#207 |
| -
I never once said they were savages. |
rolltideroll |
Feb-18-09 07:14 AM |
#217 |
| -
Truman didn't "play" God, he played President with terrible choices. Lucky, lucky you to never have |
poverlay |
Feb-18-09 03:37 AM |
#210 |
| -
And he had just about no one to consult on the decision. |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 01:39 PM |
#99 |
| -
Bullshit! People were consulted including Eisenhower. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 02:01 PM |
#105 |
| -
You need to read history. Very few people in DC knew about it and HST would not use the phone... |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 02:03 PM |
#107 |
| -
SnF is a raving lunatic who needs a shrink and some meds. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:31 PM |
#122 |
| -
I've always kind of suspected that. |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 03:06 PM |
#127 |
| -
How thoughtful. Perhaps Pakistan thinks that the USA is a rogue nation like Truman about Japan? |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:35 PM |
#145 |
| -
Shame on you for accusing me of defending "genoicide and mass murder". |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 06:36 PM |
#186 |
| -
But if you look closer (capture the nuisance?) that's exactly what you are defending. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 08:37 PM |
#196 |
| -
Do you not think that somebody |
verges |
Feb-17-09 10:41 PM |
#208 |
| -
And I'm guessing you are merely demonstrating an inherent need for Authoritarian Worship. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:39 PM |
#148 |
| -
I have Asperger's Syndrome, I hate unmerited authority by my very nature. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 06:39 PM |
#188 |
| -
I have no formal diagnosis so I'll admit to be at a loss. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 08:41 PM |
#197 |
| -
No, you need to accept the fact that there are alternate views with regard to Japan's |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:32 PM |
#144 |
| -
Easy to say in 2008. Eleanor would have dropped the bomb if forced to choose... |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 12:54 PM |
#85 |
| -
No, Eleanor would have listened to Ike and realized that Japan was LOOKING for a way to surrender. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:20 PM |
#92 |
| -
You need to read the correspondence between ER and Truman. In the 1950s... |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 01:34 PM |
#95 |
| -
We will NEVER know for sure because Truman did NOT give them a chance to surrender. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:58 PM |
#102 |
| -
Your opinion. TROLL. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 02:05 PM |
#108 |
| -
That is complete and utter bullshit. They had dozens of chances to surrender. |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 02:11 PM |
#111 |
| -
Or after the first bomb. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 03:07 PM |
#128 |
| -
No, historians disagree. I will side with Eisenhower as he was later ELECTED President. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:37 PM |
#146 |
| -
So I assume you approve of Eisenhower's use of high-altitude strategic bombing |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:39 PM |
#149 |
| -
No, I think mere bombing is chicken-shit, however, it will not wipe out humanity in on fell swoop. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:45 PM |
#153 |
| -
You are misguided in several aspects. First, nuclear weapons were developed under Roosevelt |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:53 PM |
#158 |
| -
Roosevelt did not NUKE innocents, your hero Truman did. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:57 PM |
#160 |
| -
So Roosevelt developed nuclear weapons for what purpose? Fishing? |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:02 PM |
#161 |
| -
Now we all have NUKES and many here can now fully understand why every nation in the world |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 05:16 PM |
#165 |
| -
Oh, so you think that had Truman not made the decision to drop the bombs, other nations |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:19 PM |
#167 |
| -
You're shameless. You know that you've lost the argument as Truman was the only |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 05:23 PM |
#169 |
| -
I'm not sure how you think the world works, but I don't think it matches up with reality. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:26 PM |
#171 |
| -
I made the verbal correction to "precedent" ... if human nature = The Ends Justify the Means |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 05:31 PM |
#172 |
| -
Nothing in your post explains what better option existed in August 1945. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 07:48 PM |
#192 |
| -
That has nothing to do with the fact that they had many, many chances to surrender. n/t |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 04:44 PM |
#152 |
| -
Historians and General Officers disagree - to include DDE. n/t |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:47 PM |
#155 |
| -
The Japanese had every opportunity to surrender in 1945. |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:37 PM |
#187 |
| -
But. They . Didn't. |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 02:09 PM |
#110 |
| -
True that. I refer to him as a war criminal. |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-17-09 05:54 PM |
#176 |
| -
Actually incendiaries dropped on Tokyo |
Enthusiast |
Feb-18-09 04:48 AM |
#212 |
| -
In 1940 the unemployment rate was at 14.6%. |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 07:05 AM |
#6 |
| -
You seem to miss my point |
louis c |
Feb-17-09 07:15 AM |
#8 |
| -
Since we don't have the manufacturing base that was fired-up before WWII, the point is moot. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 07:30 AM |
#17 |
| -
Green jobs |
zipplewrath |
Feb-17-09 09:03 AM |
#37 |
| -
There Was A Huge Increase In Consumer Confidence |
ProfessorGAC |
Feb-17-09 10:43 AM |
#61 |
| -
Those numbers include those working for work-relief programs. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 07:27 AM |
#15 |
| -
The only reason the war ended the Depression was |
Chisox08 |
Feb-17-09 09:21 AM |
#40 |
| -
Also, HOW did WW2 "end the Depression"? |
JHB |
Feb-17-09 07:16 AM |
#9 |
| -
That is exactly how WWII ended the Depression |
Chisox08 |
Feb-17-09 09:25 AM |
#42 |
| -
And without the New Deal we would not have had the capacity or infrastructure to |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 09:43 AM |
#50 |
| -
Where the RW gets their memory |
izquierdista |
Feb-17-09 07:19 AM |
#10 |
| -
Seems like everyone who was alive then and still is thinks so. |
SmileyRose |
Feb-17-09 08:19 AM |
#23 |
| -
Yes. |
Redbear |
Feb-17-09 08:28 AM |
#26 |
| -
FDR's problem was that he didn't spend enough until WW2 forced him to. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:32 AM |
#27 |
| -
Look at who he was, where he came from, and most importantly who his backers were. n/t |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 09:44 AM |
#52 |
| -
First off, the Japanese were working on their own version of |
old mark |
Feb-17-09 09:19 AM |
#38 |
| -
"they would have used nukes on us too!" Sounds also like a justification for Torture. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:43 AM |
#51 |
| -
Do you doubt that they would have? |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 09:47 AM |
#53 |
| -
I graduated in the upper 5% of my Military Science Class and also |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 10:29 AM |
#57 |
| -
Have you ever been in it? |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 02:24 PM |
#119 |
| -
Neither the Imperial Japanese not the Nazie had as humane |
old mark |
Feb-17-09 12:50 PM |
#81 |
| -
That's why we thank GOD that they didn't have them, but that does NOT give us the right |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:59 PM |
#87 |
| -
Because they are religious assholes who want to destroy Israel |
old mark |
Feb-17-09 06:42 PM |
#189 |
| -
Some simple things about FDR |
Stinky The Clown |
Feb-17-09 10:37 AM |
#59 |
| -
Recoveries of economic downturns including depressions take time.....But I remember..... |
suston96 |
Feb-17-09 11:03 AM |
#63 |
| -
FDR's New Deal helped soften the Depression. WWII ended the Depression. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-17-09 11:54 AM |
#71 |
| -
He may not have "ended" it, but his policies bought the U.S. time to get through it. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 12:23 PM |
#75 |
| -
As Eleanor said in '40, "it gave us time to think." nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 12:56 PM |
#86 |
| -
Very true. I think the works programs did a lot to keep fascism from taking root. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 02:28 PM |
#121 |
| -
The young: CCC, NYA, etc. Artists through federal writing and art projects. |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 03:11 PM |
#131 |
| -
Well...that's why they're "right wing assholes" and we're not! |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 12:53 PM |
#83 |
| -
He made great progress towards ending it |
Time for change |
Feb-17-09 01:38 PM |
#98 |
| -
WWII definitely ended it, but the New Deal certainly wound it down. |
Sheets of Easter |
Feb-17-09 02:21 PM |
#118 |
| -
Hey, thanks. |
louis c |
Feb-17-09 02:34 PM |
#123 |
| -
However, what was WWII but a big government spending program? |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 09:17 PM |
#203 |
| -
He Sure DId Much to End it, as Opposed to What Republicans did to CREATE IT! |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 03:10 PM |
#130 |
| -
It's not the right-wing. It's a fact. WWII ended the Depression. |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-17-09 05:51 PM |
#174 |
| -
Well, James Galbraith doesn't agree. |
eppur_se_muova |
Feb-17-09 06:49 PM |
#191 |
| -
Thanks for this - it's what salvaged this thread for me |
varelse |
Feb-18-09 07:01 PM |
#224 |
| -
Not really. Output was higher than it was in 1929 even prior to the WWII buildup. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 09:16 PM |
#202 |
| -
The right wing obscures the point with that observation |
louis c |
Feb-18-09 05:31 AM |
#214 |
| -
And about saving American democracy: well, yeah, for non-Japanese Americans he did... |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-17-09 05:52 PM |
#175 |
| -
With all due respect, you have to weigh the good and the bad. The good outweighs the bad |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 09:18 PM |
#204 |
| -
I'm not going to reason away FDR's huge civil rights abuses. |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-18-09 06:02 PM |
#222 |
| -
BS If WWII helped us get out of the Depression, then how come the Iraq War.... |
steelmania75 |
Feb-17-09 06:20 PM |
#182 |
| -
You cannot even begin to compare |
Uzybone |
Feb-17-09 08:56 PM |
#200 |
| -
Because after 9-11 |
verges |
Feb-17-09 11:12 PM |
#209 |
Printer-friendly format
Email this thread to a friend
Bookmark this thread
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore