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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #107
122. SnF is a raving lunatic who needs a shrink and some meds.
She is completely incapable of logic. I'm guessing she's Bipolar with Histrionic Personality Disorder.
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  -Did FDR Really End the Depression? louis c  Feb-17-09 05:57 AM   #0 
  - Older Americans universally believe  Enthusiast   Feb-17-09 06:21 AM   #1 
  - Not universally..  skooooo   Feb-17-09 08:38 AM   #30 
  - If he was, say, 68 years old  Enthusiast   Feb-17-09 09:57 AM   #54 
  - I am 6 feet, 215 pounds  rolltideroll   Feb-17-09 11:58 AM   #72 
  - True and well said Bama fan. nt  Enthusiast   Feb-17-09 12:22 PM   #74 
  - yep. Even my conservative grandparents and parents would  GinaMaria   Feb-17-09 01:19 PM   #91 
  - My right wing aunt and uncle are the same. They even own a copy of Eleanor and Franklin.  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 01:35 PM   #96 
  - Not universally. See my below post. nt  Ladyhawk   Feb-17-09 01:44 PM   #101 
  - dont the elderly in the USA  reggie the dog   Feb-17-09 03:58 PM   #140 
  - My father's family had a sarcastic saying whenever something good happened  Arugula Latte   Feb-17-09 12:54 PM   #84 
  - My grandfather hated FDR for taking the country off the gold standard.  Ladyhawk   Feb-17-09 01:43 PM   #100 
  - Yeah, and the seismic activity in Missouri...  damonm   Feb-17-09 08:46 PM   #198 
  - You seem to get my point (NT)  louis c   Feb-18-09 06:46 PM   #223 
  - I sort of think like this my self.  izzie   Feb-17-09 06:23 AM   #2 
  - Unemployment rate is not the only story..  Almost_there   Feb-17-09 06:26 AM   #3 
  - There's a lot to the story..  sendero   Feb-17-09 06:31 AM   #4 
  - GDP took out its 1929 high in 1937.  Zynx   Feb-17-09 07:26 AM   #13 
  - Give Truman Some Props...  KharmaTrain   Feb-17-09 06:50 AM   #5 
  - The GI Bill was laudable but my heart and soul tells me that Truman was cast TO HELL ...  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 07:13 AM   #7 
     - Presidencies Are Complex  KharmaTrain   Feb-17-09 07:21 AM   #11 
     - War is EVIL. You can NOT dismiss the nuking of civilians with the excuse of "complexity."  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 07:23 AM   #12 
     - p.s. There's a competing argument to what your parents claim that Japan was on the  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 07:27 AM   #14 
     - Most of the Pacific Command, including McArthur,  bvar22   Feb-17-09 05:12 PM   #164 
        - The intellectual dishonesty of Doug Long's website rears its head.  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 05:22 PM   #168 
        - In your opinion.....  bvar22   Feb-17-09 05:41 PM   #173 
           - Then by all means explain what conventional method of warfare would have resulted in less death  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 07:50 PM   #193 
              - Here is only one of many.  bvar22   Feb-17-09 09:20 PM   #205 
                 - Cutting & pasting is no substitute for actual argument, and nothing in that post suggests  Raskolnik   Feb-18-09 08:08 AM   #220 
        - What was FDRs opinion of using the weapon that  Thothmes   Feb-17-09 06:14 PM   #179 
           - YOU "suspect" that Hiroshima and Nagasaki ....  bvar22   Feb-17-09 09:10 PM   #201 
              - The man ordered the bomb built  Thothmes   Feb-18-09 05:22 AM   #213 
     - I Condemn All Wars...  KharmaTrain   Feb-17-09 07:30 AM   #16 
     - Nope, Truman unleashed the first NUKES on civilians. In my book, that makes him especially EVIL.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 07:31 AM   #18 
        - Would The Deaths Of Millions Of Japanese Been Better?  KharmaTrain   Feb-17-09 07:41 AM   #19 
        - What part of NUCLEAR WAR and GENOCIDE of the human race can you not understand?  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 09:20 AM   #39 
           - So How Would You Have Ended That War?  KharmaTrain   Feb-17-09 11:20 AM   #68 
              - Many military scholars were of ...  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 01:27 PM   #93 
                 - Just because Ike thought Japan was about to surrender didn't mean they were going to surrender.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 02:20 PM   #117 
        - Of the options available to Truman in August 1945, what would you have had him choose instead?  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 12:29 PM   #76 
        - The best option was to wait a couple weeks  Jim Lane   Feb-18-09 03:47 AM   #211 
        - You mean the weapons that FDR built.  Thothmes   Feb-17-09 06:15 PM   #180 
     - Hiroshima  rolltideroll   Feb-17-09 07:45 AM   #20 
     - Welcome to DU!  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 08:37 AM   #29 
     - Thanks for the welcome  rolltideroll   Feb-17-09 08:46 AM   #32 
     - We didn't HAVE to use nuclear weapons. The notion that we saved lives is BULLSHIT that  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 09:23 AM   #41 
        - The fact that Truman is the only one that has used them is a testament to our self control.  rolltideroll   Feb-17-09 09:27 AM   #44 
        - Bullshit! " self control"?!? W was all fired up to use bunker busters (mini-nukes).  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 09:33 AM   #46 
           - Lithium. Start taking it.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 02:17 PM   #114 
              - Civility. Start practicing it.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 08:33 PM   #195 
        - Maybe the evil belongs to the man that ordered them built.  Thothmes   Feb-17-09 06:18 PM   #181 
     - While I agree with you (except for the Hell thing), we do tend to over-react to the use of atomic  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 08:24 AM   #24 
     - I have always felt the A-bombs were used to send a signal to Russia  rurallib   Feb-17-09 10:38 AM   #60 
     - BINGO!  DutchLiberal   Feb-17-09 06:03 PM   #178 
     - You made the point I was getting at with Dresden  Zomby Woof   Feb-17-09 11:12 AM   #65 
        - Dresden was WRONG. Even Churchill knew that. He should have said 'no' to Harris. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 01:37 PM   #97 
     - Looks like seeing shades of gray is beyond your cognitive abillities.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 08:28 AM   # 
     - Say it with me: NUCLEAR ! ! ! There is no Reset button when "the balloon goes up."  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 09:26 AM   #43 
        - You are very high-strung  Zomby Woof   Feb-17-09 11:14 AM   #66 
        - You are very dismissive of Truman opening the door to Nuclear Armageddon.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 12:41 PM   #77 
        - FALLACY ALERT!!!  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 02:16 PM   #113 
        - You know that WWII was filled with numerous acts that caused more death and destruction  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 02:18 PM   #115 
        - Dogmatic black-and-white thinking is her M. O.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 02:12 PM   #112 
           - No, I'm far from dogmatic but I know ONE indisputable fact.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:56 PM   #159 
        - Like I said, nuance is obviously beyond you.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 02:05 PM   #109 
           - With your mindset "USA! USA! #1" I am understanding how "W" lied us into an immoral and illegal war.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 05:07 PM   #162 
              - For someone who is accused of being unable to grasp nuance, you are doing a remarkably  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 05:23 PM   #170 
              - I was opposed to the Iraq debacle from day 1.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 06:43 PM   #190 
     - Your focus is a bit off  zipplewrath   Feb-17-09 09:00 AM   #36 
     - What is "PRACTICAL" about this ...  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 09:28 AM   #45 
        - Semantic word play won't change reality  zipplewrath   Feb-17-09 10:08 AM   #55 
        - Will Israel use "Truman's Example" to PRACTICALLY bomb Iran.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 10:32 AM   #58 
           - Dubious  zipplewrath   Feb-17-09 11:39 AM   #70 
              - No! A distinctly possible scenario. Israel has (or can obtain) all the technology.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 12:47 PM   #80 
                 - Please do cite  zipplewrath   Feb-18-09 07:10 AM   #215 
                 - Dupe Delete  zipplewrath   Feb-18-09 07:10 AM   #216 
        - Nanking  Zomby Woof   Feb-17-09 11:17 AM   #67 
           - Hey, we can trade war atrocity stories all day but only one EVIL bastard used NUKES on innocents.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 01:08 PM   #88 
              - Then what was the better course of action in August 1945? n/t  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 02:20 PM   #116 
              - The Japanese were warned THREE times before Hiroshima and they still wouldn't surrender.  whathehell   Feb-17-09 03:49 PM   #139 
     - Naive, whiny, handwringing, bullshit  Zomby Woof   Feb-17-09 11:05 AM   #64 
     - Eisenhower, you know = a REAL military man, despised Truman for using the bomb.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 01:11 PM   #89 
        - By many accounts Japan was looking for a way to surrender without "losing face."  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 01:19 PM   #90 
        - some people think it's a-ok to wipe out millions with a nuke  fascisthunter   Feb-17-09 02:39 PM   #124 
        - If it wasn't ok to use nuclear weapons, what option was acceptable?  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 02:50 PM   #126 
           - there was the option of fighting a war the way we always have  fascisthunter   Feb-17-09 03:08 PM   #129 
              - "fighting a war the way we always have"  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 03:16 PM   #136 
              - they could have fought on like the Japs were willing to  fascisthunter   Feb-17-09 03:27 PM   #137 
              - So vicious hand-to-hand invasion that would likely have extended the war by many months,  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 03:34 PM   #138 
                 - I guess The Japs were willing to go all the way and America wasn't  fascisthunter   Feb-17-09 04:12 PM   #141 
                    - What the hell are you talking about? What does "willing to go all the way" even mean?  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 04:20 PM   #142 
                    - and I think your last sentence is regurgitated garbage  fascisthunter   Feb-17-09 04:29 PM   #143 
                       - Then it should be easy for you to explain how continuing the conventional war against Japan  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 04:38 PM   #147 
                    - These people were not innocent  Thothmes   Feb-17-09 06:25 PM   #184 
              - "... morally preferrable to the use of nuclear weapons?"  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:42 PM   #151 
                 - Then what was the affirmative course of action to take?  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 04:48 PM   #156 
              - Yes, they call us "trolls" and "histrionic" because we side with both Eisenhower and humanity.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:41 PM   #150 
                 - Just so you know, cutting & pasting a quote from Eisenhower does not  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 04:46 PM   #154 
                    - But you didn't read CLOSE enough. Eisenhower maintained that attitude AFTER the fact.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 05:10 PM   #163 
                       - I really don't mean to be rude, but that post didn't make any sense.  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 05:17 PM   #166 
        - They were not his pretty weapons  Thothmes   Feb-17-09 06:21 PM   #183 
     - The firebombings of Germany and Japan killed far more people than nukes ever have.  Zynx   Feb-17-09 03:11 PM   #132 
     - The notion that Japan would not surrender  14thColony   Feb-18-09 12:26 PM   #221 
     - And he reintegrated the returning GIs into the economy by pushing women  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 07:55 AM   #21 
     - Returning G.I.s  rolltideroll   Feb-17-09 08:15 AM   #22 
     - It was too short lived, was highly racial and sexist, and was mostly FDR, but it did happen.  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 08:37 AM   #28 
        - There was a certain Henry Wallace character in FDR's cabinet who was an interesting guy.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 08:48 AM   #34 
        - Wallace was a flake  Zomby Woof   Feb-17-09 11:25 AM   #69 
           - Thanks for explaining that.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 02:27 PM   #120 
        - Thanks for the welcome  rolltideroll   Feb-17-09 08:51 AM   #35 
     - WTF? I highly doubt Truman personally ordered women to quit their jobs.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 08:43 AM   #31 
     - I doubt that Idiot Frat Boy personally ordered the massacre of Iraqi either, what's your point?  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 09:34 AM   #47 
     - Gerry Ford? Oh, come on. That's a pathetic insult to Truman.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 02:03 PM   #106 
     - The New Deal didn't fight policies making it legal to fire female govt. employees...  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 03:13 PM   #135 
     - It was legal in the 30s for the govt. to fire female govt. employees if their husbands were employed  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 03:12 PM   #133 
     - Not this BS Monday morning quarterbacking AGAIN!  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 08:25 AM   #25 
     - Yes, and we could PLAY GOD with the use of nuclear weapons. What will Pakistan do since  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 09:38 AM   #48 
     - I see you're being as irrational and preachy as usual.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 01:58 PM   #103 
        - "... playing God remark insulting." From an individual with screen name ODIN?!?  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 08:54 PM   #199 
     - Are you also counting the hundreds of thousands of people born decades after the Bomb?  DutchLiberal   Feb-17-09 05:58 PM   #177 
     - I suppose that you would have supported an invasion of Japan.  olegramps   Feb-17-09 08:47 AM   #33 
     - You buy into revisionist history? There were OTHER reports that Japan was ready to surrender.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 09:42 AM   #49 
        - As oppose to what?  zipplewrath   Feb-17-09 10:17 AM   #56 
        - You want to talk WHAT gets "real horrible, real fast?" How about NUCLEAR WAR?  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 12:53 PM   #82 
           - I'm suggesting he didn't break the locks  zipplewrath   Feb-18-09 07:40 AM   #219 
        - I take it that you father was not one of the ETO  Thothmes   Feb-17-09 06:31 PM   #185 
           - My greatuncle was on one of the planes headed towards a staging area  rolltideroll   Feb-18-09 07:25 AM   #218 
     - You're very wrong. The man made the most difficult decision in the history of the world. Who are  poverlay   Feb-17-09 11:03 AM   #62 
     - Truman  rolltideroll   Feb-17-09 12:02 PM   #73 
     - Truman valued *some* human life as more valuable.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 12:44 PM   #79 
        - Of course he valued some lives over others. He was the president of the U.S., not the U.N.  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 02:47 PM   #125 
        - He weighed American lives versus Japanese lives. That's a military decision and the right one.  Zynx   Feb-17-09 03:13 PM   #134 
        - "a right one."  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:50 PM   #157 
           - That's the decision a U.S. president SHOULD make.  Zynx   Feb-17-09 07:53 PM   #194 
        - Then ANY leader  verges   Feb-17-09 10:25 PM   #206 
     - A "good man" does not kill innocents with NUCLEAR weapons because he considers that  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 12:42 PM   #78 
     - Japans use of civilians  rolltideroll   Feb-17-09 01:34 PM   #94 
     - Yadda yadda yadda, they're SAVAGE ... yadda. NUCLEAR WEAPONS.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 01:59 PM   #104 
        - No doubt about that.  verges   Feb-17-09 10:33 PM   #207 
        - I never once said they were savages.  rolltideroll   Feb-18-09 07:14 AM   #217 
     - Truman didn't "play" God, he played President with terrible choices. Lucky, lucky you to never have  poverlay   Feb-18-09 03:37 AM   #210 
     - And he had just about no one to consult on the decision.  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 01:39 PM   #99 
        - Bullshit! People were consulted including Eisenhower.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 02:01 PM   #105 
           - You need to read history. Very few people in DC knew about it and HST would not use the phone...  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 02:03 PM   #107 
              - SnF is a raving lunatic who needs a shrink and some meds.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 02:31 PM   #122 
              - I've always kind of suspected that.  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 03:06 PM   #127 
              - How thoughtful. Perhaps Pakistan thinks that the USA is a rogue nation like Truman about Japan?  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:35 PM   #145 
              - Shame on you for accusing me of defending "genoicide and mass murder".  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 06:36 PM   #186 
              - But if you look closer (capture the nuisance?) that's exactly what you are defending.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 08:37 PM   #196 
              - Do you not think that somebody  verges   Feb-17-09 10:41 PM   #208 
              - And I'm guessing you are merely demonstrating an inherent need for Authoritarian Worship.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:39 PM   #148 
                 - I have Asperger's Syndrome, I hate unmerited authority by my very nature.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 06:39 PM   #188 
                    - I have no formal diagnosis so I'll admit to be at a loss.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 08:41 PM   #197 
              - No, you need to accept the fact that there are alternate views with regard to Japan's  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:32 PM   #144 
     - Easy to say in 2008. Eleanor would have dropped the bomb if forced to choose...  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 12:54 PM   #85 
     - No, Eleanor would have listened to Ike and realized that Japan was LOOKING for a way to surrender.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 01:20 PM   #92 
        - You need to read the correspondence between ER and Truman. In the 1950s...  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 01:34 PM   #95 
        - We will NEVER know for sure because Truman did NOT give them a chance to surrender.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 01:58 PM   #102 
           - Your opinion. TROLL. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 02:05 PM   #108 
           - That is complete and utter bullshit. They had dozens of chances to surrender.  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 02:11 PM   #111 
           - Or after the first bomb. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 03:07 PM   #128 
           - No, historians disagree. I will side with Eisenhower as he was later ELECTED President.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:37 PM   #146 
              - So I assume you approve of Eisenhower's use of high-altitude strategic bombing  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 04:39 PM   #149 
              - No, I think mere bombing is chicken-shit, however, it will not wipe out humanity in on fell swoop.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:45 PM   #153 
                 - You are misguided in several aspects. First, nuclear weapons were developed under Roosevelt  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 04:53 PM   #158 
                    - Roosevelt did not NUKE innocents, your hero Truman did.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:57 PM   #160 
                       - So Roosevelt developed nuclear weapons for what purpose? Fishing?  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 05:02 PM   #161 
                          - Now we all have NUKES and many here can now fully understand why every nation in the world  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 05:16 PM   #165 
                             - Oh, so you think that had Truman not made the decision to drop the bombs, other nations  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 05:19 PM   #167 
                                - You're shameless. You know that you've lost the argument as Truman was the only  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 05:23 PM   #169 
                                   - I'm not sure how you think the world works, but I don't think it matches up with reality.  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 05:26 PM   #171 
                                      - I made the verbal correction to "precedent" ... if human nature = The Ends Justify the Means  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 05:31 PM   #172 
                                         - Nothing in your post explains what better option existed in August 1945.  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 07:48 PM   #192 
              - That has nothing to do with the fact that they had many, many chances to surrender. n/t  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 04:44 PM   #152 
                 - Historians and General Officers disagree - to include DDE. n/t  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 04:47 PM   #155 
           - The Japanese had every opportunity to surrender in 1945.  Thothmes   Feb-17-09 06:37 PM   #187 
        - But. They . Didn't.  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 02:09 PM   #110 
     - True that. I refer to him as a war criminal.  DutchLiberal   Feb-17-09 05:54 PM   #176 
     - Actually incendiaries dropped on Tokyo  Enthusiast   Feb-18-09 04:48 AM   #212 
  - In 1940 the unemployment rate was at 14.6%.  Thothmes   Feb-17-09 07:05 AM   #6 
  - You seem to miss my point  louis c   Feb-17-09 07:15 AM   #8 
  - Since we don't have the manufacturing base that was fired-up before WWII, the point is moot.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 07:30 AM   #17 
  - Green jobs  zipplewrath   Feb-17-09 09:03 AM   #37 
  - There Was A Huge Increase In Consumer Confidence  ProfessorGAC   Feb-17-09 10:43 AM   #61 
  - Those numbers include those working for work-relief programs.  Zynx   Feb-17-09 07:27 AM   #15 
  - The only reason the war ended the Depression was  Chisox08   Feb-17-09 09:21 AM   #40 
  - Also, HOW did WW2 "end the Depression"?  JHB   Feb-17-09 07:16 AM   #9 
  - That is exactly how WWII ended the Depression  Chisox08   Feb-17-09 09:25 AM   #42 
     - And without the New Deal we would not have had the capacity or infrastructure to  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 09:43 AM   #50 
  - Where the RW gets their memory  izquierdista   Feb-17-09 07:19 AM   #10 
  - Seems like everyone who was alive then and still is thinks so.  SmileyRose   Feb-17-09 08:19 AM   #23 
  - Yes.  Redbear   Feb-17-09 08:28 AM   #26 
  - FDR's problem was that he didn't spend enough until WW2 forced him to.  Odin2005   Feb-17-09 08:32 AM   #27 
  - Look at who he was, where he came from, and most importantly who his backers were. n/t  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 09:44 AM   #52 
  - First off, the Japanese were working on their own version of  old mark   Feb-17-09 09:19 AM   #38 
  - "they would have used nukes on us too!" Sounds also like a justification for Torture.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 09:43 AM   #51 
     - Do you doubt that they would have?  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 09:47 AM   #53 
     - I graduated in the upper 5% of my Military Science Class and also  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 10:29 AM   #57 
        - Have you ever been in it?  Greyhound   Feb-17-09 02:24 PM   #119 
     - Neither the Imperial Japanese not the Nazie had as humane  old mark   Feb-17-09 12:50 PM   #81 
        - That's why we thank GOD that they didn't have them, but that does NOT give us the right  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-09 12:59 PM   #87 
           - Because they are religious assholes who want to destroy Israel  old mark   Feb-17-09 06:42 PM   #189 
  - Some simple things about FDR  Stinky The Clown   Feb-17-09 10:37 AM   #59 
  - Recoveries of economic downturns including depressions take time.....But I remember.....  suston96   Feb-17-09 11:03 AM   #63 
  - FDR's New Deal helped soften the Depression. WWII ended the Depression.  TexasObserver   Feb-17-09 11:54 AM   #71 
  - He may not have "ended" it, but his policies bought the U.S. time to get through it. n/t  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 12:23 PM   #75 
  - As Eleanor said in '40, "it gave us time to think." nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 12:56 PM   #86 
     - Very true. I think the works programs did a lot to keep fascism from taking root.  Raskolnik   Feb-17-09 02:28 PM   #121 
        - The young: CCC, NYA, etc. Artists through federal writing and art projects.  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 03:11 PM   #131 
  - Well...that's why they're "right wing assholes" and we're not!  Captain Hilts   Feb-17-09 12:53 PM   #83 
  - He made great progress towards ending it  Time for change   Feb-17-09 01:38 PM   #98 
  - WWII definitely ended it, but the New Deal certainly wound it down.  Sheets of Easter   Feb-17-09 02:21 PM   #118 
  - Hey, thanks.  louis c   Feb-17-09 02:34 PM   #123 
  - However, what was WWII but a big government spending program?  Zynx   Feb-17-09 09:17 PM   #203 
  - He Sure DId Much to End it, as Opposed to What Republicans did to CREATE IT!  fascisthunter   Feb-17-09 03:10 PM   #130 
  - It's not the right-wing. It's a fact. WWII ended the Depression.  DutchLiberal   Feb-17-09 05:51 PM   #174 
  - Well, James Galbraith doesn't agree.  eppur_se_muova   Feb-17-09 06:49 PM   #191 
  - Thanks for this - it's what salvaged this thread for me  varelse   Feb-18-09 07:01 PM   #224 
  - Not really. Output was higher than it was in 1929 even prior to the WWII buildup.  Zynx   Feb-17-09 09:16 PM   #202 
  - The right wing obscures the point with that observation  louis c   Feb-18-09 05:31 AM   #214 
  - And about saving American democracy: well, yeah, for non-Japanese Americans he did...  DutchLiberal   Feb-17-09 05:52 PM   #175 
  - With all due respect, you have to weigh the good and the bad. The good outweighs the bad  Zynx   Feb-17-09 09:18 PM   #204 
     - I'm not going to reason away FDR's huge civil rights abuses.  DutchLiberal   Feb-18-09 06:02 PM   #222 
  - BS If WWII helped us get out of the Depression, then how come the Iraq War....  steelmania75   Feb-17-09 06:20 PM   #182 
     - You cannot even begin to compare  Uzybone   Feb-17-09 08:56 PM   #200 
     - Because after 9-11  verges   Feb-17-09 11:12 PM   #209 
 

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