| 51. "they would have used nukes on us too!" Sounds also like a justification for Torture. |
| -Did FDR Really End the Depression? |
louis c |
Feb-17-09 05:57 AM |
#0 |
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Older Americans universally believe |
Enthusiast |
Feb-17-09 06:21 AM |
#1 |
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Not universally.. |
skooooo |
Feb-17-09 08:38 AM |
#30 |
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If he was, say, 68 years old |
Enthusiast |
Feb-17-09 09:57 AM |
#54 |
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I am 6 feet, 215 pounds |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 11:58 AM |
#72 |
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True and well said Bama fan. nt |
Enthusiast |
Feb-17-09 12:22 PM |
#74 |
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yep. Even my conservative grandparents and parents would |
GinaMaria |
Feb-17-09 01:19 PM |
#91 |
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My right wing aunt and uncle are the same. They even own a copy of Eleanor and Franklin. |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 01:35 PM |
#96 |
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Not universally. See my below post. nt |
Ladyhawk |
Feb-17-09 01:44 PM |
#101 |
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dont the elderly in the USA |
reggie the dog |
Feb-17-09 03:58 PM |
#140 |
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My father's family had a sarcastic saying whenever something good happened |
Arugula Latte |
Feb-17-09 12:54 PM |
#84 |
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My grandfather hated FDR for taking the country off the gold standard. |
Ladyhawk |
Feb-17-09 01:43 PM |
#100 |
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Yeah, and the seismic activity in Missouri... |
damonm |
Feb-17-09 08:46 PM |
#198 |
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You seem to get my point (NT) |
louis c |
Feb-18-09 06:46 PM |
#223 |
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I sort of think like this my self. |
izzie |
Feb-17-09 06:23 AM |
#2 |
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Unemployment rate is not the only story.. |
Almost_there |
Feb-17-09 06:26 AM |
#3 |
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There's a lot to the story.. |
sendero |
Feb-17-09 06:31 AM |
#4 |
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GDP took out its 1929 high in 1937. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 07:26 AM |
#13 |
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Give Truman Some Props... |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-17-09 06:50 AM |
#5 |
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The GI Bill was laudable but my heart and soul tells me that Truman was cast TO HELL ... |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 07:13 AM |
#7 |
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Presidencies Are Complex |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-17-09 07:21 AM |
#11 |
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War is EVIL. You can NOT dismiss the nuking of civilians with the excuse of "complexity." |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 07:23 AM |
#12 |
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p.s. There's a competing argument to what your parents claim that Japan was on the |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 07:27 AM |
#14 |
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Most of the Pacific Command, including McArthur, |
bvar22 |
Feb-17-09 05:12 PM |
#164 |
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The intellectual dishonesty of Doug Long's website rears its head. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:22 PM |
#168 |
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In your opinion..... |
bvar22 |
Feb-17-09 05:41 PM |
#173 |
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Then by all means explain what conventional method of warfare would have resulted in less death |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 07:50 PM |
#193 |
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Here is only one of many. |
bvar22 |
Feb-17-09 09:20 PM |
#205 |
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Cutting & pasting is no substitute for actual argument, and nothing in that post suggests |
Raskolnik |
Feb-18-09 08:08 AM |
#220 |
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What was FDRs opinion of using the weapon that |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:14 PM |
#179 |
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YOU "suspect" that Hiroshima and Nagasaki .... |
bvar22 |
Feb-17-09 09:10 PM |
#201 |
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The man ordered the bomb built |
Thothmes |
Feb-18-09 05:22 AM |
#213 |
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I Condemn All Wars... |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-17-09 07:30 AM |
#16 |
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Nope, Truman unleashed the first NUKES on civilians. In my book, that makes him especially EVIL. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 07:31 AM |
#18 |
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Would The Deaths Of Millions Of Japanese Been Better? |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-17-09 07:41 AM |
#19 |
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What part of NUCLEAR WAR and GENOCIDE of the human race can you not understand? |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:20 AM |
#39 |
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So How Would You Have Ended That War? |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-17-09 11:20 AM |
#68 |
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Many military scholars were of ... |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:27 PM |
#93 |
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Just because Ike thought Japan was about to surrender didn't mean they were going to surrender. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:20 PM |
#117 |
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Of the options available to Truman in August 1945, what would you have had him choose instead? |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 12:29 PM |
#76 |
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The best option was to wait a couple weeks |
Jim Lane |
Feb-18-09 03:47 AM |
#211 |
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You mean the weapons that FDR built. |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:15 PM |
#180 |
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Hiroshima |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 07:45 AM |
#20 |
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Welcome to DU! |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:37 AM |
#29 |
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Thanks for the welcome |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 08:46 AM |
#32 |
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We didn't HAVE to use nuclear weapons. The notion that we saved lives is BULLSHIT that |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:23 AM |
#41 |
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The fact that Truman is the only one that has used them is a testament to our self control. |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 09:27 AM |
#44 |
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Bullshit! " self control"?!? W was all fired up to use bunker busters (mini-nukes). |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:33 AM |
#46 |
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Lithium. Start taking it. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:17 PM |
#114 |
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Civility. Start practicing it. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 08:33 PM |
#195 |
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Maybe the evil belongs to the man that ordered them built. |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:18 PM |
#181 |
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While I agree with you (except for the Hell thing), we do tend to over-react to the use of atomic |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 08:24 AM |
#24 |
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I have always felt the A-bombs were used to send a signal to Russia |
rurallib |
Feb-17-09 10:38 AM |
#60 |
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BINGO! |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-17-09 06:03 PM |
#178 |
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You made the point I was getting at with Dresden |
Zomby Woof |
Feb-17-09 11:12 AM |
#65 |
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Dresden was WRONG. Even Churchill knew that. He should have said 'no' to Harris. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 01:37 PM |
#97 |
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Looks like seeing shades of gray is beyond your cognitive abillities. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:28 AM |
# |
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Say it with me: NUCLEAR ! ! ! There is no Reset button when "the balloon goes up." |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:26 AM |
#43 |
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You are very high-strung |
Zomby Woof |
Feb-17-09 11:14 AM |
#66 |
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You are very dismissive of Truman opening the door to Nuclear Armageddon. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:41 PM |
#77 |
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FALLACY ALERT!!! |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:16 PM |
#113 |
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You know that WWII was filled with numerous acts that caused more death and destruction |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 02:18 PM |
#115 |
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Dogmatic black-and-white thinking is her M. O. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:12 PM |
#112 |
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No, I'm far from dogmatic but I know ONE indisputable fact. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:56 PM |
#159 |
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Like I said, nuance is obviously beyond you. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:05 PM |
#109 |
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With your mindset "USA! USA! #1" I am understanding how "W" lied us into an immoral and illegal war. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 05:07 PM |
#162 |
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For someone who is accused of being unable to grasp nuance, you are doing a remarkably |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:23 PM |
#170 |
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I was opposed to the Iraq debacle from day 1. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 06:43 PM |
#190 |
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Your focus is a bit off |
zipplewrath |
Feb-17-09 09:00 AM |
#36 |
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What is "PRACTICAL" about this ... |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:28 AM |
#45 |
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Semantic word play won't change reality |
zipplewrath |
Feb-17-09 10:08 AM |
#55 |
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Will Israel use "Truman's Example" to PRACTICALLY bomb Iran. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 10:32 AM |
#58 |
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Dubious |
zipplewrath |
Feb-17-09 11:39 AM |
#70 |
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No! A distinctly possible scenario. Israel has (or can obtain) all the technology. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:47 PM |
#80 |
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Please do cite |
zipplewrath |
Feb-18-09 07:10 AM |
#215 |
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Dupe Delete |
zipplewrath |
Feb-18-09 07:10 AM |
#216 |
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Nanking |
Zomby Woof |
Feb-17-09 11:17 AM |
#67 |
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Hey, we can trade war atrocity stories all day but only one EVIL bastard used NUKES on innocents. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:08 PM |
#88 |
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Then what was the better course of action in August 1945? n/t |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 02:20 PM |
#116 |
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The Japanese were warned THREE times before Hiroshima and they still wouldn't surrender. |
whathehell |
Feb-17-09 03:49 PM |
#139 |
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Naive, whiny, handwringing, bullshit |
Zomby Woof |
Feb-17-09 11:05 AM |
#64 |
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Eisenhower, you know = a REAL military man, despised Truman for using the bomb. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:11 PM |
#89 |
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By many accounts Japan was looking for a way to surrender without "losing face." |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:19 PM |
#90 |
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some people think it's a-ok to wipe out millions with a nuke |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 02:39 PM |
#124 |
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If it wasn't ok to use nuclear weapons, what option was acceptable? |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 02:50 PM |
#126 |
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there was the option of fighting a war the way we always have |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 03:08 PM |
#129 |
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"fighting a war the way we always have" |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 03:16 PM |
#136 |
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they could have fought on like the Japs were willing to |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 03:27 PM |
#137 |
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So vicious hand-to-hand invasion that would likely have extended the war by many months, |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 03:34 PM |
#138 |
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I guess The Japs were willing to go all the way and America wasn't |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 04:12 PM |
#141 |
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What the hell are you talking about? What does "willing to go all the way" even mean? |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:20 PM |
#142 |
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and I think your last sentence is regurgitated garbage |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 04:29 PM |
#143 |
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Then it should be easy for you to explain how continuing the conventional war against Japan |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:38 PM |
#147 |
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These people were not innocent |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:25 PM |
#184 |
| -
"... morally preferrable to the use of nuclear weapons?" |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:42 PM |
#151 |
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Then what was the affirmative course of action to take? |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:48 PM |
#156 |
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Yes, they call us "trolls" and "histrionic" because we side with both Eisenhower and humanity. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:41 PM |
#150 |
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Just so you know, cutting & pasting a quote from Eisenhower does not |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:46 PM |
#154 |
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But you didn't read CLOSE enough. Eisenhower maintained that attitude AFTER the fact. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 05:10 PM |
#163 |
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I really don't mean to be rude, but that post didn't make any sense. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:17 PM |
#166 |
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They were not his pretty weapons |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:21 PM |
#183 |
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The firebombings of Germany and Japan killed far more people than nukes ever have. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 03:11 PM |
#132 |
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The notion that Japan would not surrender |
14thColony |
Feb-18-09 12:26 PM |
#221 |
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And he reintegrated the returning GIs into the economy by pushing women |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 07:55 AM |
#21 |
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Returning G.I.s |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 08:15 AM |
#22 |
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It was too short lived, was highly racial and sexist, and was mostly FDR, but it did happen. |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 08:37 AM |
#28 |
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There was a certain Henry Wallace character in FDR's cabinet who was an interesting guy. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:48 AM |
#34 |
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Wallace was a flake |
Zomby Woof |
Feb-17-09 11:25 AM |
#69 |
| -
Thanks for explaining that. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:27 PM |
#120 |
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Thanks for the welcome |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 08:51 AM |
#35 |
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WTF? I highly doubt Truman personally ordered women to quit their jobs. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:43 AM |
#31 |
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I doubt that Idiot Frat Boy personally ordered the massacre of Iraqi either, what's your point? |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 09:34 AM |
#47 |
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Gerry Ford? Oh, come on. That's a pathetic insult to Truman. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:03 PM |
#106 |
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The New Deal didn't fight policies making it legal to fire female govt. employees... |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 03:13 PM |
#135 |
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It was legal in the 30s for the govt. to fire female govt. employees if their husbands were employed |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 03:12 PM |
#133 |
| -
Not this BS Monday morning quarterbacking AGAIN! |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:25 AM |
#25 |
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Yes, and we could PLAY GOD with the use of nuclear weapons. What will Pakistan do since |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:38 AM |
#48 |
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I see you're being as irrational and preachy as usual. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 01:58 PM |
#103 |
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"... playing God remark insulting." From an individual with screen name ODIN?!? |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 08:54 PM |
#199 |
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Are you also counting the hundreds of thousands of people born decades after the Bomb? |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-17-09 05:58 PM |
#177 |
| -
I suppose that you would have supported an invasion of Japan. |
olegramps |
Feb-17-09 08:47 AM |
#33 |
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You buy into revisionist history? There were OTHER reports that Japan was ready to surrender. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:42 AM |
#49 |
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As oppose to what? |
zipplewrath |
Feb-17-09 10:17 AM |
#56 |
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You want to talk WHAT gets "real horrible, real fast?" How about NUCLEAR WAR? |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:53 PM |
#82 |
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I'm suggesting he didn't break the locks |
zipplewrath |
Feb-18-09 07:40 AM |
#219 |
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I take it that you father was not one of the ETO |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:31 PM |
#185 |
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My greatuncle was on one of the planes headed towards a staging area |
rolltideroll |
Feb-18-09 07:25 AM |
#218 |
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You're very wrong. The man made the most difficult decision in the history of the world. Who are |
poverlay |
Feb-17-09 11:03 AM |
#62 |
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Truman |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 12:02 PM |
#73 |
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Truman valued *some* human life as more valuable. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:44 PM |
#79 |
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Of course he valued some lives over others. He was the president of the U.S., not the U.N. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 02:47 PM |
#125 |
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He weighed American lives versus Japanese lives. That's a military decision and the right one. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 03:13 PM |
#134 |
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"a right one." |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:50 PM |
#157 |
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That's the decision a U.S. president SHOULD make. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 07:53 PM |
#194 |
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Then ANY leader |
verges |
Feb-17-09 10:25 PM |
#206 |
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A "good man" does not kill innocents with NUCLEAR weapons because he considers that |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:42 PM |
#78 |
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Japans use of civilians |
rolltideroll |
Feb-17-09 01:34 PM |
#94 |
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Yadda yadda yadda, they're SAVAGE ... yadda. NUCLEAR WEAPONS. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:59 PM |
#104 |
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No doubt about that. |
verges |
Feb-17-09 10:33 PM |
#207 |
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I never once said they were savages. |
rolltideroll |
Feb-18-09 07:14 AM |
#217 |
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Truman didn't "play" God, he played President with terrible choices. Lucky, lucky you to never have |
poverlay |
Feb-18-09 03:37 AM |
#210 |
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And he had just about no one to consult on the decision. |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 01:39 PM |
#99 |
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Bullshit! People were consulted including Eisenhower. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 02:01 PM |
#105 |
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You need to read history. Very few people in DC knew about it and HST would not use the phone... |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 02:03 PM |
#107 |
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SnF is a raving lunatic who needs a shrink and some meds. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 02:31 PM |
#122 |
| -
I've always kind of suspected that. |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 03:06 PM |
#127 |
| -
How thoughtful. Perhaps Pakistan thinks that the USA is a rogue nation like Truman about Japan? |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:35 PM |
#145 |
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Shame on you for accusing me of defending "genoicide and mass murder". |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 06:36 PM |
#186 |
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But if you look closer (capture the nuisance?) that's exactly what you are defending. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 08:37 PM |
#196 |
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Do you not think that somebody |
verges |
Feb-17-09 10:41 PM |
#208 |
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And I'm guessing you are merely demonstrating an inherent need for Authoritarian Worship. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:39 PM |
#148 |
| -
I have Asperger's Syndrome, I hate unmerited authority by my very nature. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 06:39 PM |
#188 |
| -
I have no formal diagnosis so I'll admit to be at a loss. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 08:41 PM |
#197 |
| -
No, you need to accept the fact that there are alternate views with regard to Japan's |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:32 PM |
#144 |
| -
Easy to say in 2008. Eleanor would have dropped the bomb if forced to choose... |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 12:54 PM |
#85 |
| -
No, Eleanor would have listened to Ike and realized that Japan was LOOKING for a way to surrender. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:20 PM |
#92 |
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You need to read the correspondence between ER and Truman. In the 1950s... |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 01:34 PM |
#95 |
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We will NEVER know for sure because Truman did NOT give them a chance to surrender. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 01:58 PM |
#102 |
| -
Your opinion. TROLL. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 02:05 PM |
#108 |
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That is complete and utter bullshit. They had dozens of chances to surrender. |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 02:11 PM |
#111 |
| -
Or after the first bomb. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 03:07 PM |
#128 |
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No, historians disagree. I will side with Eisenhower as he was later ELECTED President. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:37 PM |
#146 |
| -
So I assume you approve of Eisenhower's use of high-altitude strategic bombing |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:39 PM |
#149 |
| -
No, I think mere bombing is chicken-shit, however, it will not wipe out humanity in on fell swoop. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:45 PM |
#153 |
| -
You are misguided in several aspects. First, nuclear weapons were developed under Roosevelt |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 04:53 PM |
#158 |
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Roosevelt did not NUKE innocents, your hero Truman did. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:57 PM |
#160 |
| -
So Roosevelt developed nuclear weapons for what purpose? Fishing? |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:02 PM |
#161 |
| -
Now we all have NUKES and many here can now fully understand why every nation in the world |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 05:16 PM |
#165 |
| -
Oh, so you think that had Truman not made the decision to drop the bombs, other nations |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:19 PM |
#167 |
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You're shameless. You know that you've lost the argument as Truman was the only |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 05:23 PM |
#169 |
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I'm not sure how you think the world works, but I don't think it matches up with reality. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 05:26 PM |
#171 |
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I made the verbal correction to "precedent" ... if human nature = The Ends Justify the Means |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 05:31 PM |
#172 |
| -
Nothing in your post explains what better option existed in August 1945. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 07:48 PM |
#192 |
| -
That has nothing to do with the fact that they had many, many chances to surrender. n/t |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 04:44 PM |
#152 |
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Historians and General Officers disagree - to include DDE. n/t |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 04:47 PM |
#155 |
| -
The Japanese had every opportunity to surrender in 1945. |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 06:37 PM |
#187 |
| -
But. They . Didn't. |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 02:09 PM |
#110 |
| -
True that. I refer to him as a war criminal. |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-17-09 05:54 PM |
#176 |
| -
Actually incendiaries dropped on Tokyo |
Enthusiast |
Feb-18-09 04:48 AM |
#212 |
| -
In 1940 the unemployment rate was at 14.6%. |
Thothmes |
Feb-17-09 07:05 AM |
#6 |
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You seem to miss my point |
louis c |
Feb-17-09 07:15 AM |
#8 |
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Since we don't have the manufacturing base that was fired-up before WWII, the point is moot. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 07:30 AM |
#17 |
| -
Green jobs |
zipplewrath |
Feb-17-09 09:03 AM |
#37 |
| -
There Was A Huge Increase In Consumer Confidence |
ProfessorGAC |
Feb-17-09 10:43 AM |
#61 |
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Those numbers include those working for work-relief programs. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 07:27 AM |
#15 |
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The only reason the war ended the Depression was |
Chisox08 |
Feb-17-09 09:21 AM |
#40 |
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Also, HOW did WW2 "end the Depression"? |
JHB |
Feb-17-09 07:16 AM |
#9 |
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That is exactly how WWII ended the Depression |
Chisox08 |
Feb-17-09 09:25 AM |
#42 |
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And without the New Deal we would not have had the capacity or infrastructure to |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 09:43 AM |
#50 |
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Where the RW gets their memory |
izquierdista |
Feb-17-09 07:19 AM |
#10 |
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Seems like everyone who was alive then and still is thinks so. |
SmileyRose |
Feb-17-09 08:19 AM |
#23 |
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Yes. |
Redbear |
Feb-17-09 08:28 AM |
#26 |
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FDR's problem was that he didn't spend enough until WW2 forced him to. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-09 08:32 AM |
#27 |
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Look at who he was, where he came from, and most importantly who his backers were. n/t |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 09:44 AM |
#52 |
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First off, the Japanese were working on their own version of |
old mark |
Feb-17-09 09:19 AM |
#38 |
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"they would have used nukes on us too!" Sounds also like a justification for Torture. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 09:43 AM |
#51 |
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Do you doubt that they would have? |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 09:47 AM |
#53 |
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I graduated in the upper 5% of my Military Science Class and also |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 10:29 AM |
#57 |
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Have you ever been in it? |
Greyhound |
Feb-17-09 02:24 PM |
#119 |
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Neither the Imperial Japanese not the Nazie had as humane |
old mark |
Feb-17-09 12:50 PM |
#81 |
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That's why we thank GOD that they didn't have them, but that does NOT give us the right |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-09 12:59 PM |
#87 |
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Because they are religious assholes who want to destroy Israel |
old mark |
Feb-17-09 06:42 PM |
#189 |
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Some simple things about FDR |
Stinky The Clown |
Feb-17-09 10:37 AM |
#59 |
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Recoveries of economic downturns including depressions take time.....But I remember..... |
suston96 |
Feb-17-09 11:03 AM |
#63 |
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FDR's New Deal helped soften the Depression. WWII ended the Depression. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-17-09 11:54 AM |
#71 |
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He may not have "ended" it, but his policies bought the U.S. time to get through it. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 12:23 PM |
#75 |
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As Eleanor said in '40, "it gave us time to think." nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 12:56 PM |
#86 |
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Very true. I think the works programs did a lot to keep fascism from taking root. |
Raskolnik |
Feb-17-09 02:28 PM |
#121 |
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The young: CCC, NYA, etc. Artists through federal writing and art projects. |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 03:11 PM |
#131 |
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Well...that's why they're "right wing assholes" and we're not! |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-17-09 12:53 PM |
#83 |
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He made great progress towards ending it |
Time for change |
Feb-17-09 01:38 PM |
#98 |
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WWII definitely ended it, but the New Deal certainly wound it down. |
Sheets of Easter |
Feb-17-09 02:21 PM |
#118 |
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Hey, thanks. |
louis c |
Feb-17-09 02:34 PM |
#123 |
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However, what was WWII but a big government spending program? |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 09:17 PM |
#203 |
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He Sure DId Much to End it, as Opposed to What Republicans did to CREATE IT! |
fascisthunter |
Feb-17-09 03:10 PM |
#130 |
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It's not the right-wing. It's a fact. WWII ended the Depression. |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-17-09 05:51 PM |
#174 |
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Well, James Galbraith doesn't agree. |
eppur_se_muova |
Feb-17-09 06:49 PM |
#191 |
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Thanks for this - it's what salvaged this thread for me |
varelse |
Feb-18-09 07:01 PM |
#224 |
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Not really. Output was higher than it was in 1929 even prior to the WWII buildup. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 09:16 PM |
#202 |
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The right wing obscures the point with that observation |
louis c |
Feb-18-09 05:31 AM |
#214 |
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And about saving American democracy: well, yeah, for non-Japanese Americans he did... |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-17-09 05:52 PM |
#175 |
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With all due respect, you have to weigh the good and the bad. The good outweighs the bad |
Zynx |
Feb-17-09 09:18 PM |
#204 |
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I'm not going to reason away FDR's huge civil rights abuses. |
DutchLiberal |
Feb-18-09 06:02 PM |
#222 |
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BS If WWII helped us get out of the Depression, then how come the Iraq War.... |
steelmania75 |
Feb-17-09 06:20 PM |
#182 |
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You cannot even begin to compare |
Uzybone |
Feb-17-09 08:56 PM |
#200 |
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Because after 9-11 |
verges |
Feb-17-09 11:12 PM |
#209 |
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