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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 04:56 PM
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3. We have facts, in politics and economics.
We have facts that show what works to stimulate the economy, and what laws help that.

In religion, we have belief, but not scientific proof.

Some people pray and say that they can tell that it works to change their circumstances.

I, on the other hand, have gone through baptism, church membership, praying, etc. and nothing changed. My life was still terrible. I was more depressed because the church people would not help me find a job. I decided that if God works through his believers on Earth, then God wanted me to starve to death and spiral into a deep depression.

So I stopped going & stopped believing. And people who tell me I did not have enough faith, are insulting me, I believe.


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  -For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. elocs  Feb-12-09 04:52 PM   #0 
  - I'd Refine It  NashVegas   Feb-12-09 04:53 PM   #1 
  - Disbelief is a belief.  Jackpine Radical   Feb-12-09 04:53 PM   #2 
     - It's a Belief In the Negative  NashVegas   Feb-12-09 04:58 PM   #6 
     - And baldness is a hair color.  Deep13   Feb-12-09 04:59 PM   #7 
     - No, it's a disbelief.  remoulade   Feb-12-09 05:23 PM   #11 
     - Just like how silence is a sound.  laconicsax   Feb-12-09 05:30 PM   #16 
        - Or how black is a color.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-12-09 05:36 PM   #20 
  - We have facts, in politics and economics.  Manifestor_of_Light   Feb-12-09 04:56 PM   #3 
  - Or when prosecuting Don Siegelman. But I suppose that is  midnight   Feb-12-09 04:58 PM   #4 
  - For those who believe no proof is possible and for those who don't it's because no proof is possible  county worker   Feb-12-09 04:58 PM   #5 
  - That alone disproves the belief.  Deep13   Feb-12-09 05:01 PM   #8 
  - Ha! I just posted your sigline!  laconicsax   Feb-12-09 05:19 PM   #10 
  - What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.  laconicsax   Feb-12-09 05:18 PM   #9 
  - That is the default condition for any claim.  remoulade   Feb-12-09 05:28 PM   #14 
  - Welcome to DU  laconicsax   Feb-12-09 05:34 PM   #17 
     - Rejecting a Claim vs Campaigning Against It  NashVegas   Feb-12-09 06:52 PM   #27 
     - If those who making claims without evidence didn't press the issue, we'd never see flame wars.  laconicsax   Feb-12-09 07:00 PM   #29 
     - Neat Trick  NashVegas   Feb-12-09 07:09 PM   #33 
     - Dupe delete  laconicsax   Feb-12-09 07:06 PM   #32 
     - Actually, no; and here's the issue  PurityOfEssence   Feb-12-09 08:01 PM   #36 
        - Wonderful Post  NashVegas   Feb-13-09 07:32 AM   #37 
        - Sorry, it doesn't work that way.  laconicsax   Feb-13-09 01:57 PM   #40 
           - Agnostics  PurityOfEssence   Feb-13-09 06:14 PM   #41 
              - I'm curious about something you said.  laconicsax   Feb-13-09 07:57 PM   #42 
                 - Maybe they exist; maybe they don't  PurityOfEssence   Feb-13-09 09:15 PM   #43 
  - Sounds familiar.  Deep13   Feb-12-09 05:58 PM   #23 
  - Ummm  Bluenorthwest   Feb-12-09 05:23 PM   #12 
  - For those who like that sort of thing, that is the sort of thing they like.  foxfeet   Feb-12-09 05:26 PM   #13 
  - People will believe in whatever helps them cope with the world.  anonymous171   Feb-12-09 05:28 PM   #15 
  - Except in a mathematical theorem?  Ichingcarpenter   Feb-12-09 05:34 PM   #18 
  - I don't believe, but pleny of proof is possible.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-12-09 05:35 PM   #19 
  - Tired cliche first heard by me from a Jessie, unless Stuart Chase  Greyhound   Feb-12-09 05:38 PM   #21 
  - Think outside the box: think "Republicans". n/t  elocs   Feb-12-09 06:07 PM   #26 
  - If everyone had a closed mind, that would be true  tkmorris   Feb-12-09 05:44 PM   #22 
  - It's a good thing that there are absolutely no closed minds here at DU. n/t  elocs   Feb-12-09 06:06 PM   #25 
     - None at all and i believe that with no proof.  Kaleva   Feb-12-09 07:00 PM   #30 
     - Of course there are, who said otherwise?  tkmorris   Feb-12-09 07:21 PM   #35 
  - Tripe. Self-serving tripe at that.  Birthmark   Feb-12-09 06:01 PM   #24 
  - I watched that episode last night  johnnie   Feb-12-09 06:52 PM   #28 
  - Many "Psychics" Are Just Profilers Who Didn't Get a Degree  NashVegas   Feb-12-09 07:13 PM   #34 
  - Episode of what?  AngryAmish   Feb-13-09 08:20 AM   #38 
  - I don't believe, and plenty of proof is possible with me.  Lyric   Feb-12-09 07:03 PM   #31 
  - Hey, I'll believe if God speaks to us from the sky.  Stellabella   Feb-13-09 08:25 AM   #39 
 

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