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173. You're right, and it's symptomatic of our society...
we want instant gratification. Long posts take too long for some people to read (or write). Americans want everything fast and in pill form. We subsist on fast food garbage that is loaded with sugar, salt and cholesterol, and low on what we need like whole grain fiber, fresh fruits and vegetables. We are an obese society.

It's to the point that disorders such as type two diabetes are becoming an acceptable by-product of our lifestyle choices. There's even a magazine now called DIABETIC LIVING. Type two diabetes is almost always a side effect of a sedentary, overly-processed fast food lifestyle. Rather than control our cravings for fat, animal based foods(where ALL dietary cholesterol comes from) we simply ask our doctor for a pill to lower the cholesterol, never mind the side-effects. We want magic bullets in the form of pills for help in getting to sleep, getting it up, advil for our pain if we dare to exercise.

We watch too much TV, go out and buy what it tells us to buy, (how often do we see close ups of people's mouths on TV taking in vast amounts of food?)then we finally get up off the couch to go out and buy diet pills which is the other side of the ARMS RACE that wizards of capitalism tell us we want to buy via mostly TV.

What would happen if we took this opportunity we have today, with a seemingly sane and intelligent new leadership in Washington, let this be the jumping off place for a whole new way of life. Let's all eat lower on the food chain.( a plant based diet is the healthiest for us AND the animals) Let's buy locally grown products whenever possible, to support our neighbors and local community. Take a little time each day for a long walk, run or bicycle trip. Take a few minutes from each day to participate in our democracy by calling your Congressman and telling him/her what we expect of them, our employee.

Shut off the TV machine (as Rachel calls it) more often. Say no to fast food. Vote with your wallet and your fork. Think about the power we all have every time we make a purchase. What are the ramifications of this purchase? Does it promote child labor abuses? Animal suffering? Does it send money out of the country when a local alternative could have been bought instead?

I know I rambled on off-topic, sorry 'bout that. If you read this far down the rant, then you're one of the good guys, not one of the ones Cyrano is talking about, but a thoughtful DU participant. This has been a test of the thoughtful poster broadcast system. BTW, bush sucks, good riddance, lets take back our country! :toast:
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  -Are DU standards falling? Cyrano  Feb-11-09 01:02 PM   #0 
  - U R so00oo dumm  Bicoastal   Feb-11-09 01:04 PM   #1 
  - Thank you for helping to make my case.  Cyrano   Feb-11-09 01:05 PM   #2 
     - Please tell me you didn't take that seriously.  Bicoastal   Feb-11-09 01:07 PM   #7 
        - I didn't...  Lagomorph   Feb-11-09 04:31 PM   #86 
        - you know better.... so all you can do is smile. ha  Divine Discontent   Feb-12-09 01:37 PM   #175 
  - Intellectual underground is that way ----------->  cliffordu   Feb-11-09 01:06 PM   #3 
  - Um, that arrow should point to the left ... nt  eppur_se_muova   Feb-11-09 06:48 PM   #112 
     - It is pointing to the left when I'm inside your computer looking at you....  cliffordu   Feb-11-09 07:10 PM   #116 
        - D'oh! :^D  eppur_se_muova   Feb-11-09 07:16 PM   #118 
  - Huh? what u mean?  Hardrada   Feb-11-09 01:06 PM   #4 
  - Hope this doesn't get 200 responses...  Spike89   Feb-11-09 01:06 PM   #5 
  - Really? There's a difference between quantity and quality.  Cyrano   Feb-12-09 01:24 PM   #174 
     - Understood, just joking a bit  Spike89   Feb-12-09 03:07 PM   #181 
  - I think Bush makes us stupidd  AngryAmish   Feb-11-09 01:07 PM   #6 
  - Fuck * Fuck vader  Xenotime   Feb-12-09 09:42 AM   #158 
  - When I was a member here in '04...  bunnies   Feb-11-09 01:08 PM   #8 
  - You forgot the 'rec this if you agree'...  azmouse   Feb-11-09 01:08 PM   #9 
  - K/R  emilyg   Feb-11-09 01:08 PM   #10 
  - Yes.  Captain Hilts   Feb-11-09 01:08 PM   #11 
  - Do you have a link?  laconicsax   Feb-11-09 01:13 PM   #17 
  - Here...let me see if I can find you go!  Captain Hilts   Feb-11-09 01:14 PM   #20 
     - Perfect, thanks!  laconicsax   Feb-11-09 02:50 PM   #52 
  - More often than not, a link isn't necessary. Refer those demanding  Cyrano   Feb-11-09 02:55 PM   #55 
  - Thanks. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-11-09 03:00 PM   #57 
  - I've found this is almost exclusively a tactic, not an honest inquiry.  Greyhound   Feb-11-09 03:45 PM   #72 
  - the "provide a link" gambit is used by often stupid people  datasuspect   Feb-14-09 08:36 AM   #187 
  - Unfortunately, people have short attention spans these days  Hello_Kitty   Feb-11-09 01:09 PM   #12 
  - i`ve been here since jan 2002 and not much has changed  madrchsod   Feb-11-09 01:09 PM   #13 
  - Agree.  wtmusic   Feb-12-09 09:59 AM   #161 
  - For the most part it's always been like that.  underseasurveyor   Feb-11-09 01:10 PM   #14 
  - I find the thoughtful posts are still there. They are just lost in the dross.  Cleita   Feb-11-09 01:11 PM   #15 
  - Hey Cyrano.  Cerridwen   Feb-11-09 01:11 PM   #16 
  - Yep. I couldn't agree more.  Cyrano   Feb-11-09 02:45 PM   #50 
  - yes short posts are easier for the wankers  omega minimo   Feb-11-09 07:53 PM   #125 
  - K & R If you think (insert name SUCKS) FUCK EM  DS1   Feb-11-09 01:14 PM   #18 
  - I haven't noticed a big difference since I joined in 2002...  Spazito   Feb-11-09 01:14 PM   #19 
  - I have actually posted variants of the same thread  Jackpine Radical   Feb-11-09 01:23 PM   #29 
  - I agree, timing has a lot to do with it as well as who is logged on at the time...  Spazito   Feb-11-09 01:53 PM   #43 
  - Yep. They are adequate. "Adequate." Now that's an enviable standard.  Cyrano   Feb-11-09 02:39 PM   #48 
     - LOL, I guess by your standards, I can then deem your response as....  Spazito   Feb-11-09 02:54 PM   #54 
        - No insult intended. I'm just spitting down on the term "adequate" from my  Cyrano   Feb-11-09 03:01 PM   #58 
  - Must Stop Krugmannn!1!1111  kenny blankenship   Feb-11-09 01:14 PM   #21 
  - Lot more freepers posting here that's for sure  durablend   Feb-11-09 01:16 PM   #22 
  - After solemn and fastidious pondering  Mari333   Feb-11-09 01:16 PM   #23 
  - I couldn't agree more.  Cyrano   Feb-11-09 03:05 PM   #59 
  - Love your jocose, polysyllabic sesquipedalianism.  BlancheSplanchnik   Feb-12-09 12:50 PM   #166 
  - Generally, if you post something most agree with, it dies...  Junkdrawer   Feb-11-09 01:17 PM   #24 
  - I don't think it's a matter of "division"  pipi_k   Feb-12-09 09:10 AM   #155 
  - It's all my fault, sorry...  Sandrine for you   Feb-11-09 01:18 PM   #25 
  - any threads asking for rec's and the one hit wonders, OMG TWEETY SAID WHAT?  AlCzervik   Feb-11-09 01:19 PM   #26 
  - General Discussion  QueenOfCalifornia   Feb-11-09 01:21 PM   #27 
  - Dean's List; High Honors don't mean sheet....  bobthedrummer   Feb-11-09 01:25 PM   #32 
  - It's that way in every forum I read. Two different worlds.  Kaleva   Feb-11-09 01:22 PM   #28 
  - There are standards?  smoogatz   Feb-11-09 01:24 PM   #30 
  - Sometimes a post is so well thought out and executed that  Jane Austin   Feb-11-09 01:24 PM   #31 
  - let me help  Froward69   Feb-11-09 01:26 PM   #33 
  - Hell Yeah.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-11-09 01:27 PM   #34 
  - Nice post, hitler. nt  Javaman   Feb-11-09 01:39 PM   #35 
  - A lot of folks here are inclined to shoot from the hip.  Terran   Feb-11-09 01:41 PM   #36 
  - Falling? I'm sorry, but that's the way it's always been.  ConservativeDemocrat   Feb-11-09 01:44 PM   #37 
  - Damn  NeedleCast   Feb-11-09 01:47 PM   #40 
  - Mirror image? How DARE you?!?  Lance_Boyle   Feb-11-09 02:57 PM   #56 
  - Ouch! But very apt. n/t  QC   Feb-11-09 04:42 PM   #92 
  - I'll take self-defeating topic for 500, Alex  NeedleCast   Feb-11-09 01:46 PM   #38 
  - Yes, they have.  Hell Hath No Fury   Feb-11-09 01:47 PM   #39 
  - There is also the cult of personality phenomenon  timtom   Feb-14-09 07:41 AM   #185 
  - Agreed completely.  snot   Feb-11-09 01:48 PM   #41 
  - Depends on how long it takes to get this thread moved to the Lounge. n/t  gkhouston   Feb-11-09 01:50 PM   #42 
  - Since you've been around so long- you should know  snooper2   Feb-11-09 01:56 PM   #44 
  - Yes there has been a change.  rosesaylavee   Feb-11-09 02:00 PM   #45 
  - I posted something like this about  4 t 4   Feb-11-09 02:10 PM   #46 
     - Yep, I expected it. I'm wearing my flame retardant suit.  Cyrano   Feb-11-09 03:12 PM   #63 
        - Ah, but you wear it well.  rosesaylavee   Feb-11-09 06:44 PM   #110 
  - what standards?  spanone   Feb-11-09 02:11 PM   #47 
  - I don't reply to every post I read, intelligent or other wise.  madmom   Feb-11-09 02:45 PM   #49 
  - I think so.  H2O Man   Feb-11-09 02:47 PM   #51 
  - I often nominate the thoughtful posts for the "greatest" page.  devilgrrl   Feb-11-09 02:50 PM   #53 
  - Victim of it's success IMO.  Greyhound   Feb-11-09 03:07 PM   #60 
  - I guess you're right, Greyhound.  Cyrano   Feb-11-09 03:16 PM   #65 
  - It's a hard truth to accept. I don't know if it's people everywhere or just America.  Greyhound   Feb-11-09 03:37 PM   #70 
  - This is exactly my thought.  intheflow   Feb-11-09 07:27 PM   #121 
  - They Don't Exist  NashVegas   Feb-11-09 07:54 PM   #126 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-11-09 03:08 PM   #61 
  - Kids these days.  cottonseed   Feb-11-09 03:10 PM   #62 
  - Get off my lawn.  Cyrano   Feb-11-09 03:21 PM   #68 
  - I think someone asks this question every few years...  Starry Messenger   Feb-11-09 03:16 PM   #64 
  - When I read an especially long, thought provoking peice, I am usually  tavalon   Feb-11-09 03:19 PM   #66 
  - I find that I get good stuff  hfojvt   Feb-11-09 04:56 PM   #99 
  - Well, here's one thought:  JerseygirlCT   Feb-11-09 03:21 PM   #67 
  - I've thought about that, but many of the more intelligent posts I'm  Cyrano   Feb-11-09 03:24 PM   #69 
  - Just wanted to say...  pipi_k   Feb-12-09 08:38 AM   #152 
     - I was thinking today that another reason those posts might  JerseygirlCT   Feb-12-09 03:03 PM   #180 
  - More than a mere 2 years, but I agree  Deja Q   Feb-11-09 03:41 PM   #71 
  - Or how bout the "K & R if"'s or the "This post will probably sink like a rock BUT..."...  newtothegame   Feb-11-09 03:58 PM   #73 
  - Here you go...  Skinner   Feb-11-09 04:09 PM   #74 
  - I am STILL waiting for my pony.  wakemeupwhenitsover   Feb-11-09 04:17 PM   #76 
  - Not to change the subject, but.......  Dr.Phool   Feb-11-09 04:25 PM   #81 
     - I took a poll & most were on the side of not changing it.  wakemeupwhenitsover   Feb-11-09 05:14 PM   #103 
  - With all the meta issues...  JuniperLea   Feb-11-09 04:24 PM   #80 
  - The fun is over.  AlCzervik   Feb-11-09 04:29 PM   #85 
  - woah...haha  Regret My New Name   Feb-12-09 12:52 PM   #167 
  - Good post, Skinner  mogster   Feb-11-09 04:33 PM   #87 
  - That's exactly when it started  4 t 4   Feb-11-09 04:35 PM   #90 
  - Steadily, for the past 8 years.  Le Taz Hot   Feb-11-09 04:16 PM   #75 
  - Falling? No. In many ways DU is like the weather in San seldom ever changes ~  bridgit   Feb-11-09 04:18 PM   #77 
  - Hey!  QueenOfCalifornia   Feb-11-09 07:22 PM   #120 
  - heh-heh, well, I mean, cept for that global warming stuff...  bridgit   Feb-11-09 07:57 PM   #127 
  - You stay classy San Diego...  MajPayne2   Feb-14-09 08:14 AM   #186 
  - I've actually been in the habit of citing...  LanternWaste   Feb-11-09 04:19 PM   #78 
  - yes, conversation or lack of has shifted. but it isnt totally gone  seabeyond   Feb-11-09 04:20 PM   #79 
  - I've noticed that people tend to be a little more thin-skinned recently.  Vickers   Feb-11-09 04:26 PM   #82 
  - They let me in.  MrPerson   Feb-11-09 04:27 PM   #83 
  - Blame it on the past 8 years, we were dumbed down by what's his name Bushed!  skeewee08   Feb-11-09 04:29 PM   #84 
  - Add to that.. the level of AUTHORITARIANISM has gone Waaaaay up, too!  bobbolink   Feb-11-09 04:34 PM   #88 
  - Have been since DU got big enough to attract paid shills to push agendas around here.  Runcible Spoon   Feb-11-09 04:35 PM   #89 
  - Way to many gatekeepers here.  conscious evolution   Feb-11-09 04:49 PM   #95 
  - True. After a while the shills become pretty obvious.  donco6   Feb-11-09 10:27 PM   #139 
  - Far less information lately, and far more groupthink.  QC   Feb-11-09 04:39 PM   #91 
  - And then there are all those annoying "K&R this thread" threads.  tblue37   Feb-11-09 04:45 PM   #93 
  - Thank you. It has gotten noticeably worse in the past month.  Fly by night   Feb-11-09 04:47 PM   #94 
  - Both arrested development and a need to sound "tough".  pacalo   Feb-11-09 06:14 PM   #108 
  - We're missing the news followers that we used to have.  donco6   Feb-11-09 10:31 PM   #140 
  - Sorry, Don't Agree  ProfessorGAC   Feb-11-09 04:50 PM   #96 
  - You raise many critical questions that deserve a thoughtful response.  Mike 03   Feb-11-09 04:52 PM   #97 
  - Thanks for the post Mike.  Cyrano   Feb-12-09 02:43 PM   #177 
  - I have an idea that may help.  conscious evolution   Feb-11-09 04:55 PM   #98 
  - Reminds me of "Jeopardy."  Faygo Kid   Feb-11-09 04:57 PM   #100 
  - Pff, you're just upset you didn't know the Miley Cyrus answers.  Runcible Spoon   Feb-11-09 05:05 PM   #102 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-11-09 05:03 PM   #101 
  - Explains why  slay   Feb-11-09 05:16 PM   #105 
  - Only reason I still stop by is because I end up bored at work and at home.  zonmoy   Feb-11-09 05:37 PM   #106 
     - Awww... youz knowz youz lovez us...  slay   Feb-11-09 08:17 PM   #134 
  - Oh, yeah.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-11-09 06:16 PM   #109 
  - I especially like the misspelling of "independent", too.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-09 08:00 PM   #129 
  - Is that the place where all the anti-semites go after they get tombstoned?  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-09 08:03 PM   #130 
     - I guess, but that doesn't mean there aren't tons here  inthebrain   Feb-12-09 05:47 PM   #183 
  - Quick - call the DU office of standards and practices and file a complaint immediately!!!  slay   Feb-11-09 05:14 PM   #104 
  - Not long ago, there was a post on the Greatest Page that had umpteen rec's & stayed there over the  pacalo   Feb-11-09 06:00 PM   #107 
  - I agree. K&R n/t  ms liberty   Feb-11-09 06:45 PM   #111 
  - agree completely  amborin   Feb-11-09 06:50 PM   #113 
  - You are absolutely correct. Its rather discouraging. I now try to use the F-word in the title to  K Gardner   Feb-11-09 06:53 PM   #114 
  - Things ain't what they used to be, and probably never was.  eppur_se_muova   Feb-11-09 06:56 PM   #115 
  - You're correct, though to be fair, I've seen that trend in various internet forums  ProgressIn2008   Feb-11-09 07:11 PM   #117 
  - Hide thread is your friend.  Earth Bound Misfit   Feb-11-09 07:20 PM   #119 
  - Well, you are right, but I can see your thread is going to drop  Mike 03   Feb-11-09 07:38 PM   #122 
  - it's trolls trying to rack up posts so they look credible when they post their...  yurbud   Feb-11-09 07:41 PM   #123 
  - Lots of vanity posts, weather reports and  JNelson6563   Feb-11-09 07:48 PM   #124 
  - Rec if you like me, rec if you really, really like me!  bridgit   Feb-11-09 08:08 PM   #131 
  - Standards?  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-09 07:58 PM   #128 
  - DU goes in cycles....and most of the time yelling "FUCK YOU! POS...THIS LIE"  KoKo   Feb-11-09 08:15 PM   #132 
  - It's always been that way as far as I know...  BlooInBloo   Feb-11-09 08:16 PM   #133 
  - The Law Of Large numbers, maybe?  Iggo   Feb-11-09 08:22 PM   #135 
  - Recently I wrote a rather involved and researched post on Davos  Subdivisions   Feb-11-09 08:46 PM   #136 
  - It is just as important to say what you have to say.  .... callchet ....   Feb-12-09 06:38 AM   #147 
  - IMO, weekend readers/posters are more open to  Cyrano   Feb-12-09 03:00 PM   #179 
  - Admittedly, mainly a lurker here  Irish Girl   Feb-11-09 09:08 PM   #137 
  - Well...ummm...errr...what the hell...why not?  ScreamingMeemie   Feb-11-09 09:13 PM   #138 
  - Yes its like uploading a 10sec video on youtube that gets 1mil hits and a video that took 3hrs  democracy1st   Feb-11-09 10:43 PM   #141 
  - I'm glad you brought it up...  MrMickeysMom   Feb-11-09 10:58 PM   #142 
  - I admit, I always read the posts that begin with "Fuck "  Canuckistanian   Feb-11-09 11:15 PM   #143 
  - I don't mind the short exclamatory posts,  Norrin Radd   Feb-12-09 04:49 AM   #144 
     - Exactly...  pipi_k   Feb-12-09 08:43 AM   #153 
     - Here's the ultimate post saying essentially what you just said  Canuckistanian   Feb-12-09 09:54 AM   #159 
  - Unquestionably the quality has gone down -- but there are specific areas of dumb nt  HamdenRice   Feb-12-09 06:11 AM   #145 
  - It's about the same as it ever was.  Lex   Feb-12-09 06:14 AM   #146 
  - I agree. n/t  Beam Me Up   Feb-12-09 11:47 AM   #162 
  - Boards like this..  sendero   Feb-12-09 06:43 AM   #148 
  - The collective intelligence of any population is a constant  Creideiki   Feb-12-09 07:41 AM   #149 
  - Hee hee hee!  sofa king   Feb-12-09 07:53 AM   #150 
  - I have learned more here than any other singular source in my life.  .... callchet ....   Feb-12-09 08:06 AM   #151 
  - I don't see many "Fuck Bush!!! Fuck Cheney!!! posts around here. Never have  NNN0LHI   Feb-12-09 08:48 AM   #154 
  - PS...this is why  pipi_k   Feb-12-09 09:29 AM   #156 
  - Too many people like the adrenalin buzz that conflict provides - its like that everywhere Im afraid  Kashka-Kat   Feb-12-09 09:34 AM   #157 
  - Rather than DU's standards falling, I believe yours are rising.  Occam Bandage   Feb-12-09 09:58 AM   #160 
  - You are 100% correct,Cyrano.  Kajsa   Feb-12-09 12:15 PM   #163 
  - DU standards are not falling...  ElboRuum   Feb-12-09 12:31 PM   #164 
  - Yes. Especially after the botched way the primaries were handled here.  onehandle   Feb-12-09 12:35 PM   #165 
  - agree 100% and i'm new. N/T  dcsmart   Feb-12-09 12:53 PM   #168 
  - thought out posts take alot of time and energy  BlancheSplanchnik   Feb-12-09 12:53 PM   #169 
  - Sometimes, the key is a catchy title  BlancheSplanchnik   Feb-12-09 12:54 PM   #170 
     - One thing I've noticed  4 t 4   Feb-12-09 01:02 PM   #171 
  - I agree Cyrano, but  JitterbugPerfume   Feb-12-09 01:04 PM   #172 
  - You're right, and it's symptomatic of our society...  veganlush   Feb-12-09 01:12 PM   #173 
  - Ah, in the old days the vegans weren't so preachy.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-09 01:40 PM   #176 
     - the original post was condemning simplistic, short..  veganlush   Feb-12-09 02:51 PM   #178 
        - Okay, I take it back.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-09 03:32 PM   #182 
           - stretch happens.  veganlush   Feb-12-09 06:40 PM   #184 
  - When I first started reading DU posts (before posting myself), I didn't know that  ifuseekamy   Feb-14-09 10:36 AM   #188 
  - Boy, are they ever.  saltpoint   Feb-14-09 10:38 AM   #189 

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