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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 11:38 AM
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ARGH! Its tough being an Evil Landlord!!!
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I'm a 4th generation landlord; we took over managing some property for my mother after my father died. It doesn't make a profit, but I was raised that it is an honor to provide good quality housing for people. We have 8 rooms that are rented out (there are two buildings) and a three-bedroom apartment that used to be where my mother lived before we relocated her to a smaller, less memory filled condominium. The kitchen in the 3-bedroom unit is amazing; it also has an office, a fireplace, and a two-car garage. We pay for the gas, electric, water, trash pickup, and outside maintenance (the two buildings are on an acre of property in a great neighborhood, and there are three deer that visit). I grew up there, and its where my father passed.

I made the mistake of moving in a family that was having some problems last June. Instead of listening to my mother, I got nervous because it had been empty for two months (this is the 3-bedroom unit), and accepted folks I shouldn't have. She was working two part time jobs, and he had a good job at a local factory; they shouldn't have had any trouble paying the modest rent.

They were late on their first month's rent payment after moving in (July); I should have evicted them on the spot, but we switched it from a monthly rental agreement to a weekly one, which they assured me they would have no problem paying. They paid mostly on time in August, and did okay in September, but then the husband was hospitalized for diabetes related problems AGAIN, and they stopped paying at the beginning of October.

He doesn't work in a union shop, so he didn't have any short-term disability. No work = no pay. I'm not sure what happened to the wife's two part time jobs, but apparently, she isn't working them anymore. I started eviction proceedings in November (delayed it while trying to work with them), and they were hours away from having their stuff put on the street two weeks before Christmas (please keep in mind they kept making promises as to when they should get some money, and I delayed as long as I could), when we struck a deal on December 10th to keep them in the place.

I shouldn't have done that. They still owe money on the judgment from the end of November, and haven't paid anything toward the 'currently due' rent since. They told me they'd catch me up with their income tax refund, and hoped to have his social security disability under control by then. (He ended up having surgery last month to remove a portion of his lung, and is back in the hospital again due to an infection.)

I'm being told they are now having marital issues (understandable with all of the stress they are going through), and he might not come home when he is released from the hospital/doesn't plan on paying me off with the income tax refund because he's leaving his family, which means either a) I get to keep supporting them, which I can't do, or b) I get to toss them out onto the street, because so far, they aren't leaving on their own. I am not sure why the wife isn't working, but apparently she can't find anything. She spends a lot of time dealing with different agencies, and chasing down stuff for his medical problems, but that isn't paying the bills, and its killing us.

My mother is doing her best to bite her tongue, because obviously, I've been an idiot. They were living on the financial edge, and now they are taking my family down with them. Its the 11th of the month, and I haven't paid the mortgage yet. I had to beg for an extension last month to keep on the heat and the electric for ALL of us!

She was served yesterday with a court date (February 24th); they will have about two weeks afterwards before the sheriff's department will put their stuff in the street. It will cost me several hundred dollars to get her out, and the odds are good we'll never see the money they owe. I'm not sure what I'm going to do to keep everything from going into foreclosure at the moment, but if I can't figure it out, everyone else is going to end up homeless, too. Trying to be 'nice' to this family has literally destroyed our credit.

The most annoying part is that I *knew* better, intellectually. There was a part of me that knew I was being fed a line of crap, but when she told me she had found a job in December, I thought there was a glimmer of hope, plus hello! Tax refund time is a good time to catch up on things, and a guy who needs to have a hunk of lung pulled out sounds like someone who should be getting disability to me. But honestly, I kind of got the idea they 'knew the system' and there were a lot of clues that they had taken advantage of it in the past.

They've got two young adolescents, plus a returning twenty-something year old living with them. They are going to end up on the street, but frankly, I need to get someone in the property who can actually PAY THE RENT which is used to PAY THE MORTGAGE. In Michigan's economy, that might take a bit of time, despite how reasonable the rent is, and how nice the place is.

We are screwed.
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  -ARGH! Its tough being an Evil Landlord!!! IdaBriggs  Feb-11-09 11:38 AM   #0 
  - You are not an evil landlord if you keep the apartments up, make repairs and don't charge  WI_DEM   Feb-11-09 11:42 AM   #1 
  - Thank you. I agree with you intellectually (as I said, its an honorable thing)  IdaBriggs   Feb-11-09 11:48 AM   #4 
  - When their lease is up can you just not renew them?  bluestateguy   Feb-11-09 11:46 AM   #2 
  - I have to evict them if they won't leave. Michigan is a Tenant Friendly state.  IdaBriggs   Feb-11-09 11:52 AM   #5 
  - At some point, it becomes an "us or them" situation  Warpy   Feb-11-09 11:46 AM   #3 
  - I am sorry for your pain.  peace13   Feb-11-09 11:53 AM   #6 
  - I recently considered purchasing a rental property and realized I couldn't do it  NNN0LHI   Feb-11-09 11:59 AM   #7 
  - you really should be making a profit on 8 rental rooms  hfojvt   Feb-11-09 12:10 PM   #8 
  - Only 6 are rented at the moment; we just had one guy disappear  IdaBriggs   Feb-11-09 12:33 PM   #11 
  - Yeah I think the rents should be raised.  barb162   Feb-11-09 12:55 PM   #20 
  - Don't know if this will help or not, but, my son was laid off and was behind in his rent, he  madmom   Feb-11-09 12:21 PM   #9 
  - She has been working with several different agencies here in Michigan  IdaBriggs   Feb-11-09 12:42 PM   #14 
     - You're not an idiot, just someone with a heart.  madmom   Feb-11-09 12:45 PM   #16 
     - Say it a million times  barb162   Feb-11-09 12:57 PM   #21 
  - What I wouldn't give to be able to rent a lovely place like yours...sigh...n/t  monmouth   Feb-11-09 12:23 PM   #10 
  - It looks like I have a vacancy coming up! LOL!  IdaBriggs   Feb-11-09 12:37 PM   #12 
     - That's pretty much my situation too. Unless my son comes to visit  monmouth   Feb-11-09 12:43 PM   #15 
  - Everyone I know, including us, has done that at some point with a tenant.  EFerrari   Feb-11-09 12:40 PM   #13 
  - Evicted them, or screwed up with people who weren't going to pay?  IdaBriggs   Feb-11-09 12:49 PM   #19 
     - The next few weeks watch very carefully if it looks like they're moving out.  barb162   Feb-11-09 01:00 PM   #23 
     - Screwed up with people who were going to be trouble and especially  EFerrari   Feb-11-09 01:29 PM   #25 
  - There's nothing like a tenant who pays on time and doesn't destroy the place.  barb162   Feb-11-09 12:48 PM   #17 
  - PS You are definitely not an evil landlord. You're a saint.  barb162   Feb-11-09 12:49 PM   #18 
  - Definitely goes in the "no good deed goes unpunished" file  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Feb-11-09 12:57 PM   #22 
  - You have it wrong--sometimes a sterotype fits  guardian   Feb-12-09 05:04 PM   #70 
  - There's nothing wrong with you, it's them. They weren't paying you even when  williesgirl   Feb-11-09 01:08 PM   #24 
  - Dude, you need to exercise some tough love.  4_TN_TITANS   Feb-11-09 02:34 PM   #26 
  - kicking for future reference n/t  Two Americas   Feb-11-09 03:27 PM   #27 
  - I have a rental in Michigan too  TWiley   Feb-11-09 03:53 PM   #28 
  - you are a sweetheart of a landlord  renate   Feb-11-09 04:16 PM   #29 
  - I feel your pain - I'm going to have a talk w/ my tenant tonight and see if we can negotiate  Kashka-Kat   Feb-11-09 04:40 PM   #30 
  - You've done all you can. ALL OF YOU could end up on the street  Ilsa   Feb-11-09 04:45 PM   #31 
  - UPDATE: SHE BOUGHT A NEW CAR!!!  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 12:32 AM   #32 
  - Can you file in Small Claims? Omg.  EFerrari   Feb-12-09 12:41 AM   #33 
  - She (they?) still owe a thousand dollars on our previous judgment,  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 12:47 AM   #34 
     - If she bought the car outright, maybe it can be awarded to you.  EFerrari   Feb-12-09 12:52 AM   #36 
        - Its possible; I'm going to look into it in the morning/talk to the court  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 01:18 AM   #38 
           - I don't anyone who hasn't made this mistake. It just comes with the territory.  EFerrari   Feb-12-09 01:34 AM   #39 
           - Since he signed, he HAS THE PAY THE RENT  LostinVA   Feb-12-09 11:26 AM   #50 
  - Okay  Brooklyns_Finest   Feb-12-09 12:48 AM   #35 
  - You aren't being an asshole. You are right, and so was my mother.  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 01:09 AM   #37 
  - Oh! Boot them the hell out of your place.  JVS   Feb-12-09 09:08 AM   #41 
  - Did her husband sign the lease -- if so, he IS legally obligated to pay the rent  LostinVA   Feb-12-09 11:24 AM   #49 
  - MORE UPDATE: She bought the car last week!!!  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 08:55 AM   #40 
  - I sympathize. Sincerely.  Robb   Feb-12-09 09:19 AM   #42 
  - I have a friend who is a landlord and his ONLY piece of advice is  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Feb-12-09 09:29 AM   #44 
  - He might be playing you, too -- remember that  LostinVA   Feb-12-09 11:28 AM   #51 
  - Its possible, but seems unlikely at this point -- he is going to be  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 01:01 PM   #53 
  - Ida--you probably already know this, but once you have the second judgment...  Shakespeare   Feb-12-09 01:29 PM   #55 
  - Just a question here - what exactly is involved in eviction and just having someone come (sheriff?)  Kashka-Kat   Feb-12-09 09:27 AM   #43 
  - It takes a bit of time, and please be aware this is Michigan specific.  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 09:55 AM   #45 
  - Wow...now I feel like a shit...  pipi_k   Feb-12-09 11:14 AM   #46 
  - PS....  pipi_k   Feb-12-09 11:16 AM   #47 
  - I don't think you're being evil at all - I'd love to have a landlord like you  petronius   Feb-12-09 11:20 AM   #48 
  - Heck, I want a landlord like me -- free housing for several months,  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 12:46 PM   #52 
  - Man, I wish you were my landlord. I ALWAYS put my cheque into the landlords slot  Evoman   Feb-12-09 01:19 PM   #54 
  - I discovered years ago that being a landlord requires a level of assholeness.  Xithras   Feb-12-09 01:32 PM   #56 
  - well, dunno if I'd call it being a-hole - its just refusing to be a door mat!!! question - does  Kashka-Kat   Feb-12-09 04:30 PM   #66 
     - I do gross income.  Xithras   Feb-12-09 04:55 PM   #68 
  - dupe n/t  Xithras   Feb-12-09 01:32 PM   #57 
  - The sad thing is once you evict her, she'll find another landlord  Zywiec   Feb-12-09 01:42 PM   #58 
  - Job and personal references checked out; there was a sporadic  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 01:58 PM   #61 
  - Do you and your wife work outside of this? Because you mentioned that you need their income to pay  schmear happens   Feb-12-09 01:46 PM   # 
  - I am the wife; I have twin almost two year olds, and returned to work  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 02:11 PM   #62 
     - Ugh! I didn't know the half of it! That is outrageous!  schmear happens   Feb-12-09 02:17 PM   #63 
  - Do you and your wife work outside of this? Because you mentioned that you need their income to pay  schmear happens   Feb-12-09 01:46 PM   # 
  - Do you and your wife work outside of this? Because you mentioned that you need their income to pay  schmear happens   Feb-12-09 01:46 PM   #59 
  - Being a landlord...  jxnmsdemguy65   Feb-12-09 01:52 PM   #60 
  - As I said, I was raised to believe it was an honorable thing to provide  IdaBriggs   Feb-12-09 02:18 PM   #64 
     - What I have to remind myself of is that its entirely reasonable to expect to find a tenant who is  Kashka-Kat   Feb-12-09 04:37 PM   #67 
  - It's also hard out there for a pimp  alcibiades_mystery   Feb-12-09 02:19 PM   #65 
  - I rent out my condo. Rental apps with $30 credit report fee plus fat deposit has worked for me.  aikoaiko   Feb-12-09 05:03 PM   #69 
  - Can you get a short term note or a home equity loan to get you over the hump?  Vinca   Feb-12-09 05:09 PM   #71 
  - LAST UPDATE ON THREAD: She intends to stay until (at least) the end of the month.  IdaBriggs   Feb-14-09 01:13 PM   #72 
 

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