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37. Mile for mile - fixed wing aircraft are safer /nt
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  -To those complaining about the President taking AF 1 on a short flight nadinbrzezinski  Feb-05-09 10:22 PM   #0 
  - I suggest the whiners take a short plane ride to kiss my ass.  Hanse   Feb-05-09 10:24 PM   #1 
  - My hat's off to you sir for a memorable quote...  JeffreyWilliamson   Feb-05-09 11:28 PM   #64 
  - Did I mention  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 12:48 AM   #145 
  - Where can you land a 747 close to Williamsburg other than the Norfolk Navy Base?  Captain Hilts   Feb-05-09 10:24 PM   #2 
  - I've got no clue... but the crew of AF1 is the best the AF has to offer  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 10:25 PM   #4 
  - Yeah. I just don't know the logistics and would like to know. Interesting!  Captain Hilts   Feb-05-09 10:27 PM   #9 
     - I saw it at McCarren (Las Vegas) airport  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 10:40 PM   #20 
  - The President landed at Newport News-Williamsburg Airport in  Subdivisions   Feb-05-09 10:27 PM   #8 
  - Pat Henry "International?" How 'bout that!  Captain Hilts   Feb-05-09 10:28 PM   #11 
  - Yes, the former Patrick Henry Airport. Man, that was a long time ago!  Subdivisions   Feb-05-09 10:34 PM   #16 
     - A friend of mine at NOB would watch them practice touch and goes on the runway there. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-06-09 09:35 AM   #206 
  - hey!...i didn't know you were local!  Blue_Tires   Feb-06-09 12:17 AM   #105 
     - I heart jet noise! My Maternal Unit is near the Amphib Base. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-06-09 09:35 AM   #205 
  - Newport News. It is right beside Richmond  MiniMe   Feb-06-09 10:42 AM   #211 
     - I've been driving that stretch for 20years. I would never suggest he drive it. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-06-09 11:35 AM   #213 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-09 10:25 PM   #3 
  - The show of the flag is an added bonus  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 10:26 PM   #5 
  - A "show of political force" . is good enough for me! huuuhaa  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 10:52 PM   #35 
  - He's also Bruce Wayne.  Ikonoklast   Feb-05-09 10:27 PM   #7 
  - He's not Peter Parker???  TahitiNut   Feb-05-09 10:35 PM   #17 
     - No windshield on the plane he pilots.  Ikonoklast   Feb-05-09 10:51 PM   #34 
        - The unmistakable sign of a happy biplane pilot ...  TahitiNut   Feb-05-09 10:57 PM   #40 
           - You two are bad  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:10 PM   #49 
              - Hey, I didn't start it!  Ikonoklast   Feb-05-09 11:23 PM   #61 
                 - surly motherly look, crossed arms, you know the look  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:25 PM   #62 
                    - Meh. Look at me, I'm shaking.  Ikonoklast   Feb-05-09 11:34 PM   #70 
                       - But aunties are harder to manipulate  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:41 PM   #72 
  - LOL  Uzybone   Feb-05-09 10:27 PM   #10 
  - if you're like me, you don't...  dysfunctional press   Feb-05-09 10:32 PM   #13 
  - Obviously. I know obvious when I see it. I double-majored and minored in obviousity. n/t.  Parker CA   Feb-05-09 10:39 PM   # 
  - I would guess it is easier to arrange secret service protection on a  jwirr   Feb-05-09 10:27 PM   #6 
  - Yeah... it is  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 10:29 PM   #12 
  - Plus, you have no idea what a motorcade to Williamsburg would do to  MiniMe   Feb-06-09 01:31 AM   #185 
     - That's really the crux of it. When Clinton was still  LibDemAlways   Feb-06-09 10:32 AM   #210 
  - I recall seeing AF1 over Silicon Valley a few times during Clinton/Gore ...  TahitiNut   Feb-05-09 10:33 PM   #14 
  - Consider the alternative  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-05-09 10:34 PM   #15 
  - Isn't 150 miles doable in a helicopter?  Brother Buzz   Feb-05-09 10:41 PM   #21 
  - We are not allowed to question Obama for doing what Bush would be excoriated for doing.  ferrous wheel   Feb-05-09 10:44 PM   #24 
  - When did you ever excoriate Bush over taking Air Force One.  Hanse   Feb-05-09 10:45 PM   #25 
  - I don't have links but I gave him major shit when he flew over NOLA after Katrina.  ferrous wheel   Feb-05-09 10:47 PM   #27 
  - Can Marine One fly 150 miles?  Brother Buzz   Feb-05-09 10:48 PM   #28 
  - WE DONT FUGGING CARE!  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 10:50 PM   #32 
  - You're right. I remember when the Republicans said that very same thing.  ferrous wheel   Feb-05-09 11:15 PM   #55 
     - wtf?  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 11:40 PM   #71 
        - I wish you luck with your stock in apostrophe manufacturers! Keep on using them,  ferrous wheel   Feb-05-09 11:51 PM   #80 
  - As safely as a fixed wing aircraft? NO, it can't  jberryhill   Feb-05-09 10:56 PM   #39 
  - Well, that certainly explains why they never fly it over populated areas.  ferrous wheel   Feb-05-09 11:12 PM   #52 
  - that's as ridiculous as comparing the odds of winning the lottery with being hit by lightning.  ddeclue   Feb-05-09 11:56 PM   #84 
  - SH3 version = 540 nautical mile range, UH60 version=320 nautical mile range  ddeclue   Feb-05-09 11:54 PM   #82 
     - So I suppose they can carry as many passengers as a 747.  Hanse   Feb-06-09 12:02 AM   #91 
     - Do you also suppose that the US government only owns ONE helicopter?  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:07 AM   #94 
        - Tell me oh bright one, how vulnerable is one of these birds to  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:09 AM   #96 
        - Really NOT very...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:15 AM   #103 
           - Yeah I am sure  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:18 AM   #107 
              - Well you don't really know what you're talking about and I can't help you  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:25 AM   #115 
                 - Actually I do, and so do experts at places like oh Janes  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:34 AM   #125 
                    - You really DON'T know what you're talking about.  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:38 AM   #130 
                       - So the TV program told you ALL there is to know about AF 1?  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:43 AM   #138 
                       - No the TV show didn't tell me all that I need to know but I already know  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:46 AM   #143 
                          - So the regular off the line 747-200 comes off the factory floor  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:54 AM   #151 
                             - Every one of these VIP planes from the 89AW is equipped with these specialized features.  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:02 AM   #158 
                             - I listed the specialized features, not that they are going to refuel in a 150 flight  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 01:06 AM   #163 
                                - They don't all have an operating room but in reality  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:11 AM   #168 
                                - That's ok, believe whatever you want to believe  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 01:15 AM   #172 
                             - Not to be picky, but the Air Force does not use the C-5 as an aerial refueler.  A HERETIC I AM   Feb-06-09 06:56 AM   #200 
                       - I'm okay with the show. About time we saw some show of the POWER inherent  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 12:50 AM   #147 
                          - In SOME circumstances YES...I would agree with you...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:56 AM   #152 
                             - I soooo disagree.  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 01:00 AM   #156 
                                - Can't tell someone to do something that you yourself won't do...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:03 AM   #160 
        - So you're saying instead of one plane they should take a squadron of helicopters.  Hanse   Feb-06-09 12:10 AM   #97 
           - Umm NO... I'm saying the White House Press corps can take the bus...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:18 AM   #106 
           - Oh, the president can take a helicopter...  Hanse   Feb-06-09 12:24 AM   #112 
           - Okay, what large staff does the Pres need for a 3 hour cruise.  ferrous wheel   Feb-06-09 12:26 AM   #116 
           - Well there's Gilligan.... the skipper too... the millionaire and his wife...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:29 AM   #120 
           - HEEHEE  ferrous wheel   Feb-06-09 12:33 AM   #123 
           - !  SammyWinstonJack   Feb-06-09 09:26 AM   #203 
           - Oh, I don't know.  Hanse   Feb-06-09 12:34 AM   #124 
              - And he doesn't need to fly with them all by his side on a tiny trip like this...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:41 AM   #136 
              - Wait........  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 01:10 AM   #167 
                 - And if his time is valuable at all, the helicopte is the quickest way  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:12 AM   #169 
                    - Right. He just needs to sit  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 01:18 AM   #175 
                       - Oh you are so tiresome and not making any relevant points..  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:23 AM   #180 
           - Um NO he doesn't need to have the entire White House staff  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:27 AM   #117 
              - So he doesn't need that busload of people to follow his helicopter?  Hanse   Feb-06-09 12:32 AM   #122 
                 - NO make up YOUR mind...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:43 AM   #140 
                    - Well, dammit, Doug Dimwit,  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 01:21 AM   #176 
                    - Umm unless they've recently changed the # it's still 202-456-1414... dimwit...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:24 AM   #181 
                    - You know  Control-Z   Feb-06-09 01:37 AM   #188 
                       - Of course he CAN take whoever he WANTS..  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:44 AM   #192 
                          - Again. You know that?  Control-Z   Feb-06-09 12:38 PM   #215 
           - Cue....  Oilwellian   Feb-06-09 08:24 AM   #201 
           - they always fly three identical helicopters in a marine one flight...  1   Feb-06-09 12:23 AM   #111 
           - Any time Marine One is in the air, there are at least TWO other identical choppers nearby.  ferrous wheel   Feb-06-09 12:28 AM   #118 
              - It's cool to watch the fakes pull away from the one carrying the P at the last minute. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-06-09 09:40 AM   #209 
     - actually, a uh60 has a range radius of 320 miles. so effectively a range of 600+ miles...  1   Feb-06-09 12:21 AM   #110 
        - That would assume that they were going to fly it totally out of fuel  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:35 AM   #126 
  - Ditto. Where oh where is the proof you profer?  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 10:49 PM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-09 10:50 PM   #31 
  - Haha...you're an amusing little boy  ferrous wheel   Feb-05-09 11:08 PM   #46 
     - Oh,  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-05-09 11:10 PM   #48 
        - These pretzels are making me thirsty. Expresso, please! nt  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 11:44 PM   #74 
           - But, but, but,  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-05-09 11:45 PM   #75 
              - Ah, the chase.  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 12:03 AM   #92 
                 - It was just so stupid  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 12:07 AM   #95 
                 - Oh wow.  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 12:15 AM   #102 
                    - Of course it's racial  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 12:24 AM   #113 
                       - Someone posted pics earlier (of him boarding the plane)  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 12:28 AM   #119 
                          - He just landed at Andrews AFB  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 12:35 AM   #127 
                             - ack! But you know what? It's a Pentagon expenditure! haaa  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 12:38 AM   #131 
                             - No, I said that..........  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 12:45 AM   #142 
                                - YQW.  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 12:58 AM   #154 
                             - I think that's terrific...he gets off the great big plane. How much it costs us  ferrous wheel   Feb-06-09 12:43 AM   #139 
                                - Bullshit. nt  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 12:45 AM   #141 
                                - You're still here?  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 12:46 AM   #144 
                                   - You're an amusing little p  ferrous wheel   Feb-06-09 07:06 PM   #222 
                 - Nobody has said (I believe I made the OP) that he can not. The question is,  ferrous wheel   Feb-06-09 12:24 AM   #114 
                    - He's not 'our guy'. He's Mr. President, Sir! especially to you. nt  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 12:31 AM   #121 
                       - You don't have to call me Sir, and the president works for me.  ferrous wheel   Feb-06-09 07:05 PM   #221 
  - that's a fail. and an obvious one.  stillcool   Feb-05-09 11:09 PM   #47 
  - My memo addresses Bush's LAST flight, not Obama's flight  Brother Buzz   Feb-05-09 11:15 PM   #57 
  - No, there's too much  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-05-09 10:49 PM   #30 
  - The HMX squadrons use several D.C. airfields  arcadian   Feb-05-09 11:10 PM   #50 
  - Mile for mile - fixed wing aircraft are safer /nt  jberryhill   Feb-05-09 10:55 PM   #37 
  - Um... not so much...no....  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:06 AM   #93 
  - Helicopters have "too many moving parts." nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-06-09 09:37 AM   #208 
     - The Jesus Nut is the one essential part that has no redundecy or backup  Brother Buzz   Feb-06-09 12:50 PM   #216 
  - The Marines will train you to find out!  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 10:56 PM   #38 
  - Try to understand this... not about fuel efficiency  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:12 PM   #53 
  - Yeah, that's what I thought. Take about 45 minutes?  trof   Feb-06-09 09:19 AM   #202 
  - Yes, I'm kinda surprised. Hell, they shoulda strapped him into a fighter from Pax River -  Captain Hilts   Feb-06-09 09:36 AM   #207 
     - No, there wasn't enough room in the cramped cockpit for his cod piece and his brain  Brother Buzz   Feb-06-09 11:30 AM   #212 
  - I am so happy you're not referring to me as a stupid asshole, because  ferrous wheel   Feb-05-09 10:43 PM   #23 
     - How many people do you know  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-05-09 10:51 PM   #33 
     - Camp David is not farther away than Williamsburg.  Pithlet   Feb-05-09 11:06 PM   #44 
     - Yes, you are right, I was wrong. The difference is about 30 miles.  ferrous wheel   Feb-05-09 11:33 PM   #67 
        - The difference is greater than that.  Pithlet   Feb-05-09 11:45 PM   #76 
        - No, dickwad  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-05-09 11:48 PM   # 
        - "I raised this very point LOUDLY"  jberryhill   Feb-06-09 09:27 AM   #204 
     - Ye asked for reference you got reference  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:14 PM   #54 
  - I absolutely agree. What was good enough for Bush ought to be good enough for our President.  ferrous wheel   Feb-05-09 10:35 PM   #18 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-05-09 10:39 PM   #19 
  - Heh. I know. That's an excuse now? Bush did it tooooooooo? nt  ProgressIn2008   Feb-05-09 11:00 PM   #42 
     - And Clinton, and Bush Sr, and Reagan... and Carter  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:29 PM   #65 
  - They brought Marine One as well.  arcadian   Feb-05-09 10:43 PM   #22 
  - You've GOT to be kidding! At DU? This isn't his first flight anyway.  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 10:46 PM   #26 
  - He wasn't President then  MiniMe   Feb-06-09 01:35 AM   #186 
  - Aren't there also problems with motorcades out of D.C. due to some bridges  havocmom   Feb-05-09 10:54 PM   #36 
  - I never heard that about bridges.........  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-05-09 11:00 PM   #43 
  - so, since you never heard it yourself, it can't be possible?  havocmom   Feb-05-09 11:11 PM   #51 
     - No, it's possible,  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-05-09 11:15 PM   #56 
        - Limousines?  jberryhill   Feb-06-09 06:18 PM   #220 
           - All the Cabinet members  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 07:43 PM   #223 
  - As I said to somebody else on another thread  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:20 PM   #60 
  - Still better than locking highways and creating traffic problems  SergeyDovlatov   Feb-05-09 10:57 PM   #41 
  - VIPs cause traffic problems? NAHHHHH  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:27 PM   #63 
  - I guess people would prefer he either..  stillcool   Feb-05-09 11:07 PM   #45 
  - To put it in perspective, an ice breaker ship can use 3500 gallons of diesel per hour.  Gregorian   Feb-05-09 11:16 PM   #58 
  - That's an incredible fact. 3500 gallons!?!?! I learn something new every day at DU.  Parker CA   Feb-05-09 11:20 PM   #59 
  - He should be using one of those new electric hybrid jetliners.  Hanse   Feb-05-09 11:34 PM   #69 
  - If there is a FINAL tank of gasoline on all the planet Earth, I want it to be Obama's!!  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 11:50 PM   #79 
     - That is very interesting. Bizarre, but interesting.  ferrous wheel   Feb-06-09 12:00 AM   #89 
  - OFFS. Marine 1 is NOT AS SAFE as AF1.  Shakespeare   Feb-05-09 11:32 PM   #66 
  - I know that, you know that  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:33 PM   #68 
     - Bullshit. You don't know any such thing and neither does anyone else.  ferrous wheel   Feb-05-09 11:58 PM   #85 
        - That is why they have procedures to lower the risks to its occupants  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:12 AM   #99 
           - I can't tell you any more than you can Google...these days all this info is public.  ferrous wheel   Feb-06-09 12:40 AM   #134 
              - Those rules are not from these days  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 01:02 AM   #159 
  - For those who need it spelled out (as to why a helicopter isn't acceptable):  Oak2004   Feb-05-09 11:43 PM   #73 
  - Sadly some folks don't realize we do live in such a world  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:48 PM   #77 
  - I don't even care if he did just take it for show.  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 11:54 PM   #83 
  - Can a helicopter fly at the altitude that AF1 can fly at?  merh   Feb-06-09 12:14 AM   #101 
  - There are a variety of answers to what you are asking...  jberryhill   Feb-06-09 05:46 PM   #217 
     - Believe me, I do understand.  merh   Feb-06-09 05:49 PM   #218 
  - I hope you are not under the impression that a 747 taking off over a populated area  ferrous wheel   Feb-06-09 12:20 AM   #108 
  - If you can name me all the times a 747 has been taken out with ordinary rifle fire  Oak2004   Feb-06-09 12:37 AM   #128 
  - Who said "immune"?  jberryhill   Feb-06-09 06:02 PM   #219 
  - uuuughh. Thank you for that! nt  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 01:37 AM   #189 
  - It's NOT security - it's political pomp and circumstance.  ddeclue   Feb-05-09 11:50 PM   #78 
  - Did you know they take TWO planes?  Why Syzygy   Feb-05-09 11:58 PM   #86 
  - Yo, it's DEMOCRATIC underground not OBAMA underground  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:11 AM   #98 
     - Security is not up to the President, but his security detail  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:17 AM   #104 
     - Umm NO... it's really up to the President...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:20 AM   #109 
        - Then, tell me, please,  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 12:38 AM   #129 
        - Under 200 miles and outside the DC beltway - by helicopter. nt  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:49 AM   #146 
           - helocopter travel is very vulnerable to attack  marimour   Feb-06-09 01:02 AM   #157 
           - Um NO it's not and please at least learn to spell HELICOPTER if you want to express an opinion about  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:04 AM   #161 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-09 01:22 AM   #179 
              - Um NO they don't have that ability...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:27 AM   #182 
                 - Wrong again.  marimour   Feb-06-09 01:45 AM   #193 
                    - "WELL POSITIONED" being the operative phrase  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:50 AM   #195 
                       - i suggest you do the same.  marimour   Feb-06-09 02:02 AM   #199 
              - You are really no fun at all. Plus, I think  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 01:30 AM   #184 
                 - Actually that's the most bizarre post of the night..  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:47 AM   #194 
                    - I care what color he is  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 01:58 AM   #198 
           - That's not possible  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 01:07 AM   #164 
              - Oh that's just diotic...a SAM? really?  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:14 AM   #170 
                 - Gee  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 01:17 AM   #174 
                 - Paranoid... apparently you are...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:30 AM   #183 
                 - Guaranteed to take out one sam  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 01:38 AM   #190 
                    - Um no... I'm talking about chaff dispensing systems and radar jamming systems  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:52 AM   #196 
                       - I'll take the word of a person who's been on board these birds  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:01 PM   #214 
        - Umm no, he has input, but not full control  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:40 AM   #135 
           - In point of fact he has full control because they work for him not the other way around.  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:52 AM   #149 
              - Not really, but keep living in that fantasy  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:57 AM   #153 
                 - I'm NOT saying that he WOULD but rather that he CAN if he chooses to.  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:06 AM   #162 
                    - Well, I'd rather have him LISTEN to the advance teams  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 01:09 AM   #166 
                       - On a less than 200 mile trip - It's ALL for show...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:16 AM   #173 
                          - Whatever you want to believe is fine  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 01:22 AM   #178 
     - Tighten strings. He takes the plane.  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 12:54 AM   #150 
        - Yeah but it's about setting an example from the top...  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:59 AM   #155 
  - I know what they fly, hell they take part of the VIP fleet on to the air show circuit every year  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-09 11:59 PM   #88 
  - It really has nothing to do with security and everything to do with pomp and circumstance  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 12:13 AM   #100 
     - Really?  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 12:39 AM   #132 
        - Please see my OP on the subject: Presidential Transportation Options.  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:09 AM   #165 
           - So then,  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 01:15 AM   #171 
              - They aren't going to use that medical facility on the plane  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:21 AM   #177 
                 - nuff said. self del*  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 01:35 AM   #187 
                    - Actually NO... I was NEVER a Hillary fan at all..  ddeclue   Feb-06-09 01:42 AM   #191 
                       - heh .  Why Syzygy   Feb-06-09 01:55 AM   #197 
  - Yes, it's all very uppity.  Hanse   Feb-06-09 12:01 AM   #90 
  - I can't believe someone is actually making this an issue.  ebdarcy   Feb-05-09 11:52 PM   #81 
  - This is what happens when we only give scholarships to smart people.  Hanse   Feb-05-09 11:58 PM   #87 
  - This stupid  Tangerine LaBamba   Feb-06-09 12:40 AM   #133 
  - This thread is unbelievable.  firedupdem   Feb-06-09 12:41 AM   #137 
     - There are more important things than nitpicking over something  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-06-09 12:50 AM   #148 
 

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