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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:57 PM
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162. I'm not required to obey your conditions to post a response to you.
As a matter of fact I'm not quite sure why I bothered to respond to you in the first place, but I suspect it was because of how absurd the proposition "provide scientific evidence that death is actually a penalty" was. All sophistry notwithstanding I think its pretty clear that people fear death. Forgive me if I don't go digging for a link to go prove that to you; it seems like a waste of my time. But it also misses the point that there is a utility to execution that there isn't for other punishments that people fear. Death and prison both remove someone's agency; death more finally and completely than prison.

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  -Do you support the death penalty? ZombieHorde  Feb-05-09 08:33 PM   #0 
  - No.  Horse with no Name   Feb-05-09 08:34 PM   #1 
  - Here is why...  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 08:35 PM   #5 
     - There is a difference in the use of the death penalty  Horse with no Name   Feb-05-09 08:38 PM   #10 
        - One has a trial.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 08:39 PM   #12 
           - How do you feel about a human using deadly force to protect a human?  JonLP24   Feb-07-09 01:42 PM   #137 
              - "human using deadly force to protect a human"  ZombieHorde   Feb-07-09 01:55 PM   #139 
                 - I don't understand  JonLP24   Feb-07-09 02:04 PM   #142 
                    - I value humans more than non-humans, and I don't like mosquitos.  ZombieHorde   Feb-07-09 02:49 PM   #144 
                       - Ok so what is your point about equating the death penalty to  JonLP24   Feb-07-09 04:16 PM   #148 
                          - The death penalty vs. killing for defense.  ZombieHorde   Feb-07-09 04:41 PM   #151 
                             - I also heard Elisabeth Hasselbeck  JonLP24   Feb-07-09 04:53 PM   #154 
                                - "the fetus is apart of the woman's body so it is her choice"  ZombieHorde   Feb-07-09 05:03 PM   #156 
                                   - Yes everyone has their own values and it's not the same as others  JonLP24   Feb-07-09 05:11 PM   #157 
                                   - "I don't know who Hasselbeck ... is." Damn, do I envy you!  11 Bravo   Feb-08-09 12:57 PM   #163 
  - no.  ulysses   Feb-05-09 08:34 PM   #2 
  - No.  EFerrari   Feb-05-09 08:34 PM   #3 
  - No  wuushew   Feb-05-09 08:35 PM   #4 
  - I see where these 2 polls are going to collide..nt  Muttocracy   Feb-05-09 08:36 PM   #6 
  - Yes, they will collide. DU is fun.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 08:42 PM   #15 
  - I'll admit you made me stop and think hard. nt  Muttocracy   Feb-05-09 08:48 PM   #21 
     - That is one of the best complements I have ever received. Thank you. nt  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 08:52 PM   #23 
        - You're welcome. I have a hard time with the death penalty.  Muttocracy   Feb-05-09 09:00 PM   #27 
           - Don't forget the racial disproportion in this country  JonLP24   Feb-07-09 01:45 PM   #138 
  - Collide? You mean would we approve if we were to discover that the inmate smokes? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-05-09 10:01 PM   # 
  - I don't think any human has the right to take another human life, other than....  LakeSamish706   Feb-05-09 08:36 PM   #7 
  - Agreed, and in the rare justifiable wars  Bonn1997   Feb-07-09 09:20 AM   #111 
  - For war criminals? Yes.  liberalmuse   Feb-05-09 08:36 PM   #8 
  - Yes people we absolutely know are murders should be dealt with. ...n/t  Just-plain-Kathy   Feb-05-09 08:38 PM   #11 
  - How do you ever "absolutely know"?  Hugabear   Feb-05-09 09:57 PM   #57 
  - What about people like the BTK killer? Don't they also deserve it.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-06-09 10:13 AM   #76 
     - If I had the option  JonLP24   Feb-07-09 11:08 AM   #118 
     - Well Dave, get your gun and shoot him then  TWiley   Feb-08-09 01:48 PM   #164 
  - Only for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. n/t  Ian David   Feb-05-09 08:37 PM   #9 
  - No, but I reject the idea that the taxpayer must spend 50K a year  panader0   Feb-05-09 08:40 PM   #13 
  - Nope  Solly Mack   Feb-05-09 08:41 PM   #14 
  - A govt of the people, by the people & for the people shouldn't be in the business of killing them.  baldguy   Feb-05-09 08:42 PM   #16 
  - Indeed.  MrSlayer   Feb-05-09 08:44 PM   #17 
  - to whom?  ulysses   Feb-05-09 08:45 PM   #18 
  - War criminals, pedophiles, and "defense" contractors  Sebastian Doyle   Feb-05-09 08:47 PM   #20 
  - to what purpose other than revenge?  ulysses   Feb-05-09 08:59 PM   #26 
     - Is another purpose needed?  martymar64   Feb-05-09 09:16 PM   #38 
     - if you're interested in justice, yes.  ulysses   Feb-05-09 09:18 PM   #39 
     - Well then, what IS justice?  martymar64   Feb-05-09 09:50 PM   #52 
        - I call imprisonment justice, yes.  ulysses   Feb-05-09 09:56 PM   #55 
        - Well, I have gotten no justice for what was done to me and never will.  martymar64   Feb-05-09 10:44 PM   #65 
        - You're confusing vengeance with justice  Hugabear   Feb-05-09 10:05 PM   #60 
        - My whole life is a prison, a veritable Alcatraz  martymar64   Feb-05-09 10:51 PM   #66 
           - So very sorry to hear that  Hugabear   Feb-05-09 11:09 PM   #67 
              - I understand what you're saying, but . . .  martymar64   Feb-05-09 11:17 PM   #68 
        - re: your edit.  ulysses   Feb-05-09 10:07 PM   #62 
     - Revenge is the least moral reason of all.  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-06-09 08:28 AM   #70 
     - I definately do not like those guys  JonLP24   Feb-07-09 11:23 AM   #121 
     - There are some people who have deliberately made themselves into monsters beyond redemption.  Sebastian Doyle   Feb-05-09 09:19 PM   #40 
        - I would suggest that you watch too many movies.  ulysses   Feb-05-09 09:23 PM   #41 
           - Fine. Let's turn all the serial killers and pedophiles loose.  Sebastian Doyle   Feb-05-09 09:53 PM   #53 
              - kindly point out to me where I've suggested turning them loose.  ulysses   Feb-05-09 09:57 PM   #56 
  - I would include violent rapists and child rapists. : graphic pics:  MrSlayer   Feb-05-09 09:02 PM   #29 
     - please note that my opposition to the DP is not out of ignorance  ulysses   Feb-05-09 09:11 PM   #35 
        - I am thinking.  MrSlayer   Feb-05-09 09:31 PM   #47 
           - fair enough.  ulysses   Feb-05-09 09:35 PM   #50 
           - I don't see why living in a democratic society would make a difference here.  MrSlayer   Feb-05-09 09:49 PM   #51 
           - I'm sure you don't.  ulysses   Feb-05-09 10:01 PM   #58 
              - Well help a brother out then.  MrSlayer   Feb-05-09 10:17 PM   #64 
                 - A constitutional democracy doesn't always mean the majority rules  MajorChode   Feb-07-09 11:13 AM   #119 
           - It's interesting that the two most oft-stated reasons to be in favor of the death penalty ...  TahitiNut   Feb-05-09 09:54 PM   #54 
           - It's cheaper to house them in prison than to kill them  Hippo_Tron   Feb-07-09 04:50 PM   #153 
  - How would you like the DP to be expanded? nt  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 08:46 PM   #19 
  - WWLJD?  Dukkha   Feb-05-09 09:13 PM   #37 
  - Lemmy Jesus would tear the heads off these people and use them for kickballs.  MrSlayer   Feb-05-09 09:33 PM   #48 
  - I'd like to see it expanded to litterers, gum chewers, American Idol watchers, and emos.  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-06-09 08:26 AM   #69 
     - Kill the fucking Emos. Watching American Idol is ok as long as they're still doing auditions.  JVS   Feb-07-09 12:46 PM   #132 
  - For criminals who steal my pension...YES !  RagAss   Feb-05-09 08:48 PM   #22 
  - Not in it's present form.  angrycarpenter   Feb-05-09 08:57 PM   #24 
  - Only for Republicans.  rateyes   Feb-05-09 08:57 PM   #25 
  - Yes. It needs to remain an option  aikoaiko   Feb-05-09 09:02 PM   #28 
  - yep! sqush 'em like bugs, I say  frogcycle   Feb-05-09 09:03 PM   #30 
  - Absolutely not. Never. Ever. No way. nt  DevonRex   Feb-05-09 09:03 PM   #31 
  - of course not.  dysfunctional press   Feb-05-09 09:06 PM   #32 
  - Not only no, but Hell No.  tekisui   Feb-05-09 09:10 PM   #33 
  - No, regardless of the circumstances.  EmeraldCityGrl   Feb-05-09 09:10 PM   #34 
  - No. Not under any circumstance.  flvegan   Feb-05-09 09:12 PM   #36 
  - Never  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Feb-05-09 09:26 PM   #42 
  - No. Although sometimes I think...  stillcool   Feb-05-09 09:26 PM   #43 
  - No  TripleKatPad   Feb-05-09 09:26 PM   #44 
  - I did support the DP, but now that I have read your post, I do not.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 09:35 PM   #49 
  - I don't support the death penalty because of the fact that right now, we can't be 100% sure that the  4lbs   Feb-05-09 09:27 PM   #45 
  - Other.  truebrit71   Feb-05-09 09:29 PM   #46 
  - So, that's a yes, then...nt  SidDithers   Feb-06-09 01:24 PM   #104 
  - I trust the courts about as far as I can throw them.  corruptmewithpower   Feb-05-09 10:02 PM   #59 
  - No n/t  ismnotwasm   Feb-05-09 10:06 PM   #61 
  - there's no Scientific PROOF that death is a "penalty", but it is a Blood Sacrifice when Politicians  sam sarrha   Feb-05-09 10:10 PM   #63 
  - It is scientifically proven that corpses commit no further atrocities.  D23MIURG23   Feb-06-09 10:23 AM   #77 
     - that argument would also work  Bluerthanblue   Feb-06-09 10:40 AM   #83 
        - No it wouldn't.  D23MIURG23   Feb-06-09 10:55 AM   #88 
           - I didn't say every human being has  Bluerthanblue   Feb-06-09 01:50 PM   #108 
              - .. i REQUIRED A >LINK> TO ALL STATEMENTS.. to specifically prevent cynical  sam sarrha   Feb-07-09 09:15 AM   #110 
              - First of all there is no need for such hostility.  D23MIURG23   Feb-07-09 11:03 AM   #115 
                 - "ALL" terminally conclusive, and dogmatic.. and ends the discussion.. can only be based on  sam sarrha   Feb-07-09 11:56 AM   #125 
                    - I'm not required to obey your conditions to post a response to you.  D23MIURG23   Feb-08-09 12:57 PM   #162 
              - I understand what you are saying, but I don't think rehabilitation is always possible...  D23MIURG23   Feb-07-09 10:56 AM   #114 
  - Not at all. It's a childish thing, unfit for a (supposed) evolved and civilized species.  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-06-09 08:29 AM   #71 
  - Killing people to show that killing is wrong  MedleyMisty   Feb-06-09 09:02 AM   #72 
  - Ambivalent.  D23MIURG23   Feb-06-09 10:07 AM   #73 
  - NO !!!  L0oniX   Feb-06-09 10:09 AM   #74 
  - I support it, but only with multiple witness's.  harun   Feb-06-09 10:11 AM   #75 
  - I support it in cases where we would have a hard time calling ourselves a "society" if we didn't  Dreamer Tatum   Feb-06-09 10:31 AM   #78 
  - Do you think all those European countries can't call themselves societies? -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Feb-06-09 10:34 AM   #80 
     - I would have a hard time feeling good about living somewhere like that  Dreamer Tatum   Feb-06-09 10:41 AM   #84 
        - So, you'd feel bad in Hawaii.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Feb-06-09 11:01 AM   #89 
           - Yeah, I reduced my list of condemned to probably the absolute worst 1%  Dreamer Tatum   Feb-06-09 11:20 AM   #93 
  - NO  SammyWinstonJack   Feb-06-09 10:32 AM   #79 
  - 100% against it, 100% for life without parole  LostinVA   Feb-06-09 10:36 AM   #81 
  - no- if it is wrong to kill, it's WRONG to kill.  Bluerthanblue   Feb-06-09 10:37 AM   #82 
  - Depends on the case so I will say yes.  SIMPLYB1980   Feb-06-09 10:43 AM   #85 
  - No. Automatic life without parole for 1st degree murder is better.  Nye Bevan   Feb-06-09 10:44 AM   #86 
  - Would you consider something like a work farm ?  .... callchet ....   Feb-06-09 12:27 PM   #98 
     - No. A 10 by 10 cell will do just fine. (nt)  Nye Bevan   Feb-06-09 12:44 PM   #102 
  - Another no. The only purpose is to satisfy a sense of revenge and that is not what  Greyhound   Feb-06-09 10:46 AM   #87 
  - simply no  unapatriciated   Feb-06-09 11:06 AM   #90 
  - No, and there is something wrong with anybody who says yes. NT  RedCappedBandit   Feb-06-09 11:10 AM   #91 
  - Would you kill someone to protect an endangered species?  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 12:18 PM   #94 
     - Firstly, no, probably not  RedCappedBandit   Feb-07-09 11:43 AM   #122 
  - I don't like the idea of governments having the power to kill, so no.  HEyHEY   Feb-06-09 11:16 AM   #92 
  - Not in any circumstance...nt  SidDithers   Feb-06-09 12:20 PM   #95 
  - I do not support the death penalty nor do I support  .... callchet ....   Feb-06-09 12:25 PM   #96 
  - It is amazing how many people just don't get that....  HEyHEY   Feb-06-09 01:53 PM   #109 
  - (Yes ) only for these exceptions; Pedophiles who murder children, mass-murderers  DainBramaged   Feb-06-09 12:26 PM   #97 
  - I think it's morally justified in some cases, but people aren't smart enough to never execute...  slackmaster   Feb-06-09 12:31 PM   #99 
  - No - I firmly believe it is unethical for the state to take life  Taverner   Feb-06-09 12:31 PM   #100 
  - Under The Right Circumstances? Absolutely.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-06-09 12:32 PM   #101 
  - No.  TexasObserver   Feb-06-09 12:51 PM   #103 
  - No  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 01:35 PM   #105 
  - Only if it is proven 100% that the condemned is guilty.  edbermac   Feb-06-09 01:40 PM   #106 
  - Yes. Two reasons:  Deja Q   Feb-06-09 01:41 PM   #107 
  - America is the wrong country for the death penalty  JonLP24   Feb-07-09 11:20 AM   #120 
  - Yes I do  Upton   Feb-07-09 09:30 AM   #112 
  - Do you support the DP in this situation because there were multiple murders,  ZombieHorde   Feb-07-09 12:29 PM   #126 
     - What puts this case over the top for me  Upton   Feb-07-09 12:40 PM   #128 
        - Although I do not support the DP, I agree with you on that being over the top.  ZombieHorde   Feb-07-09 12:42 PM   #130 
  - No. It's officially sanctioned barbarism and  bread_and_roses   Feb-07-09 09:35 AM   #113 
  - no, it's murder....murder for a murder...  spanone   Feb-07-09 11:04 AM   #116 
  - No but if you're going to have a death penalty do it right  JonLP24   Feb-07-09 11:06 AM   #117 
  - No I do not.  cboy4   Feb-07-09 11:46 AM   #123 
  - I find it kind of scary that not only do many people here support the DP...  varkam   Feb-07-09 11:54 AM   #124 
  - Duers are fans of violence, don't give out any personal information.  ZombieHorde   Feb-07-09 12:38 PM   #127 
     - No shit, thanks for the tip.  varkam   Feb-08-09 10:21 AM   #158 
  - No, the Death Penalty is completely immoral.  anonymous171   Feb-07-09 12:41 PM   #129 
  - No under every circumstance  MrCoffee   Feb-07-09 12:43 PM   #131 
  - Yes, if administered properly (nt)  sampsonblk   Feb-07-09 12:50 PM   #133 
  - I had to vote yes...  NaturalHigh   Feb-07-09 12:50 PM   #134 
  - Oh, jeez.  Iggo   Feb-07-09 01:24 PM   #135 
  - No - woo-woo answer.   Feb-07-09 01:35 PM   #136 
  - Is the act of making bad people suffer a beneficial act?  ZombieHorde   Feb-07-09 01:58 PM   #141 
     - That person created a lot of suffering.   Feb-07-09 03:23 PM   #145 
        - I don't see why they should suffer, but I do believe people have a right to defend themselves,  ZombieHorde   Feb-07-09 03:32 PM   #147 
  - Yes  MicaelS   Feb-07-09 01:57 PM   #140 
  - I'm beginning to have second thoughts...  ljm2002   Feb-07-09 02:06 PM   #143 
  - Yes and here's why  Joey Liberal   Feb-07-09 03:25 PM   #146 
  - Do I trust the governent with the power to kill me or another? Fuck no.  BlooInBloo   Feb-07-09 04:20 PM   #149 
  - I don't trust them with that power either, but I do find it interesting that  ZombieHorde   Feb-07-09 04:28 PM   #150 
     - To be fair, killing people is easy whereas helping poor people takes work and sacrifice.  varkam   Feb-08-09 12:40 PM   #160 
  - Yes, for war criminals and terrorists - I mean, the *real* ones.  CLG_News   Feb-07-09 04:48 PM   #152 
  - NO.  pleah   Feb-07-09 04:54 PM   #155 
  - Yes  rd_kent   Feb-08-09 10:43 AM   #159 
  - No, but only because I can't trust the government to get anything right.  scrinmaster   Feb-08-09 12:51 PM   #161 

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