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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 03:52 PM
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72. I couldn't find it, but apparently someone else did.
"Senators, on a voice vote, approved an amendment requiring the Buy American provisions be "applied in a manner consistent with U.S. obligations under international agreements ."

"The United States has made commitments under the North American Free Trade Agreement and the World Trade Organization to provide trading partners such as Canada , Mexico, Japan and the EU with access to its government procurement market and has received similar commitments in exchange."

"The change gives Canada , Mexico, the European Union and certain other major trading partners some comfort they would be exempted from a strict requirement in the bill that all public works projects funded by the stimulus package use only U.S. -made iron, steel and manufactured goods."

Certainly NAFTA does not require that "US stimulus dollars go to Canada". It only requires that Americans and Canadians be treated equally in the bidding of government procurement contracts (yes, even the stimulus) except in the case of iron and steel used in transportation infrastructure projects which is exempted under the 1982 Buy America Act. It sounds now like even that exemption, based on the quote above, may be removed so that Canada can bid on the iron and steel used in stimulus projects, as well.

I am a lousy treaty reader (so don't ask me to look through it again :) ), but there must be some good ones working in DC, Ottawa and elsewhere, because they found what I couldn't.
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  -The Cheap Labor Cons are everywhere DainBramaged  Feb-05-09 11:25 AM   #0 
  - Why don't you want other people to have good jobs?  ogneopasno   Feb-05-09 11:26 AM   #1 
  - Yep.....  OhioChick   Feb-05-09 11:26 AM   #2 
  - Canada doesn't "import ten cents of our steel or construction materials"?  Oregone   Feb-05-09 11:50 AM   #3 
  - We import more from Canada than they import from us  DainBramaged   Feb-05-09 11:53 AM   #5 
  - Yes a question....Canada doesn't import 10 cents from us?  Oregone   Feb-05-09 11:54 AM   #6 
  - Split hairs I don't give a shit, Canada should NOT be allowed  DainBramaged   Feb-05-09 12:00 PM   #8 
     - You keep talking about "our" stimulus  Oregone   Feb-05-09 12:16 PM   #14 
        - Canada didn't need to include a Buy Canadian clause  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 12:19 PM   #15 
        - Aren't you worried you are having orgasms about something that wont create any long term jobs?  Oregone   Feb-05-09 12:22 PM   #17 
           - If you go to the links you will see that Public Citizen is very thorough  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 12:30 PM   #23 
              - Its a big deal to them on 2 fronts...  Oregone   Feb-05-09 12:38 PM   #25 
                 - You clearly have not bothered to read the links  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 12:43 PM   #27 
                    - Look, this is getting tiresome...  Oregone   Feb-05-09 12:53 PM   #32 
                       - It IS getting tiresome  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 01:16 PM   #34 
                       - As I mentioned, even if they are not being violated...  Oregone   Feb-05-09 01:29 PM   #37 
                          - Aren't you the same guy who said, "Why should my taxes go to help someone in Michigan"?  Romulox   Feb-05-09 02:30 PM   #45 
                             - Maybe. I'm a guy who likes being facetious and controversial  Oregone   Feb-05-09 02:36 PM   #50 
                                - A yes would've sufficed. It seems you like to provoke then retreat. when facts prove you wrong.  Romulox   Feb-05-09 02:41 PM   #52 
                                - So people should say "Yes" and be held guilty by their sarcasm?  Oregone   Feb-05-09 02:45 PM   #54 
                                   - LOL. Now any factual mistatement is "sarcasm"? I don't think so.  Romulox   Feb-05-09 02:47 PM   #55 
                                      - Factoids are void of context.  Oregone   Feb-05-09 02:55 PM   #59 
                                      - It's mind fucking, that's what it is.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 03:34 PM   #68 
                                      - If you mind fuck someone long enough, its posible their brain will give birth to a new idea.  Oregone   Feb-05-09 03:37 PM   #70 
                                      - Or you just give them a case of brain herpes. . . n/t  PassingFair   Feb-06-09 07:51 AM   #90 
                                      - of the dangerous of unprotected thought.  Oregone   Feb-06-09 01:44 PM   #104 
                                - Because of the Constitution that's why.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 02:58 PM   #61 
                                - But the Constitution is a failable, arbitrary document,  Oregone   Feb-05-09 03:04 PM   #63 
                                   - Okay, now you're just getting on my nerves.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 03:11 PM   #64 
                                      - I aim to please  Oregone   Feb-05-09 03:14 PM   #66 
                                      - We all think outside the box, we're trying to protect AMERICAN JOBS pal  DainBramaged   Feb-05-09 04:53 PM   #75 
                                      - Then worry about things that make a difference  Oregone   Feb-05-09 05:04 PM   #78 
                                      - I worry about PROTECTING American jobs, and I hope we quit the WTO  DainBramaged   Feb-05-09 06:03 PM   #79 
                                      - Crap on your standard of living?  Oregone   Feb-05-09 06:56 PM   #80 
                                      - K&R  Owl   Feb-06-09 06:42 AM   #81 
                                - Hey, your 'Oregone' moniker says it all. Didn't you scoot when it was  acmavm   Feb-06-09 07:39 AM   #87 
                                - A big reason was the massive wave of anti-intellectualism and nationalism  Oregone   Feb-06-09 11:17 AM   #97 
                                - You left out "fatuous".  PassingFair   Feb-06-09 07:49 AM   #89 
                                   - Well, I wouldn't say that "no one is accusing Canada of  pampango   Feb-06-09 08:31 AM   #92 
                                   - I think that poster is from my state.  PassingFair   Feb-06-09 09:11 AM   #93 
                                      - I'm from Ohio and we're not far behind you in that sense. n/t  pampango   Feb-06-09 09:26 AM   #94 
                                      - Rust Belt blues.  PassingFair   Feb-06-09 09:44 AM   #95 
                                   - Ad hominem, no doubt...  Oregone   Feb-06-09 11:21 AM   #98 
                                      - Well, that's okay with you isn't it? Like I say, you scooted. We  acmavm   Feb-06-09 12:04 PM   #100 
                                         - It really isn't a Canada first thing at all with me...  Oregone   Feb-06-09 01:35 PM   #101 
                       - Thread shitter  DainBramaged   Feb-06-09 07:09 AM   #82 
        - How far would you be willing to go with that?  The2ndWheel   Feb-05-09 12:23 PM   #18 
        - Not far really. Its just a basic observation...  Oregone   Feb-05-09 12:29 PM   #22 
        - You seem to imply that there is not much difference between Canadians and Americans. Well, OK.  pampango   Feb-05-09 12:50 PM   #29 
           - No. Im implying there is not much of a difference between SOME Canadians and SOME Americans  Oregone   Feb-05-09 12:59 PM   #33 
           - Some of us don't appreciate when Canadian officials lie about trade pacts  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 01:25 PM   #36 
              - Jack Layton agrees with you that rules are being followed  Oregone   Feb-05-09 01:32 PM   #38 
              - Um, Canada has already HAD that strategy in place, as I've pointed out to you repeatedly  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 02:15 PM   #41 
                 - "it is your and my responsibility to cut through the b.s. and politial theater"  Oregone   Feb-05-09 02:26 PM   #43 
                    - Beer hey?  DainBramaged   Feb-05-09 04:56 PM   #77 
              - I don't appreciate it when American officials lie about anything (well particularly wars).  pampango   Feb-05-09 02:12 PM   #40 
                 - ouch  Oregone   Feb-05-09 02:28 PM   #44 
                 - Jesus christ on a pogo stick  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 02:35 PM   #49 
                    - I understand that we are honoring our commitments now.  pampango   Feb-05-09 03:31 PM   #67 
        - Glad you are an expert on OUR economy............  DainBramaged   Feb-05-09 12:25 PM   #21 
        - Why not be here?  Oregone   Feb-05-09 12:31 PM   #24 
        - But we Southerners are still Americans.  Kalyke   Feb-06-09 07:52 AM   #91 
           - Yes I am  Oregone   Feb-06-09 11:11 AM   #96 
  - BTW, just looking around...but I realized...  Oregone   Feb-06-09 06:04 PM   #109 
  - Remember that debate we were having the other day about trade pacts?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 12:15 PM   #13 
     - Cheap Labor Cons are everywhere  DainBramaged   Feb-05-09 12:24 PM   #19 
        - Yes, I am one of them!  Oregone   Feb-05-09 12:40 PM   #26 
           - Canada pays better wages because they protect their industries better than we do.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 12:45 PM   #28 
              - The issue I am referring to has much more to do with the effectiveness of the CAW  Oregone   Feb-05-09 12:51 PM   #31 
  - the LaborCons are every where  FreakinDJ   Feb-05-09 11:51 AM   #4 
  - How about nicely made not-so-much-crap?  Deja Q   Feb-05-09 11:56 AM   #7 
  - Cheap concrete in construction around the world  DainBramaged   Feb-05-09 12:01 PM   #9 
  - Oh but dontchaknow if we require that the toys be lead-free  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 12:21 PM   #16 
  - A lot of people who claim to be Dems in 2009 were Republicans in 2003. nt  Romulox   Feb-05-09 12:04 PM   #10 
  - You bet, and they wound up here.  DainBramaged   Feb-05-09 12:10 PM   #12 
  - Discuss ideas and opinions or call people names? You get to decide. It's your thread.  pampango   Feb-05-09 12:05 PM   #11 
  - Well gee, pampango, when people discuss the ideas and even present facts to you  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 12:24 PM   #20 
  - Such as. n/t  pampango   Feb-05-09 12:51 PM   #30 
  - Such as  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 01:18 PM   #35 
     - What did I deny or make up in that thread?  pampango   Feb-05-09 01:59 PM   #39 
        - You then went on to speculate about what happened during the NAFTA deal  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 02:24 PM   #42 
           - "There's nothing in the proposed Buy American clause that violates any agreement"  Oregone   Feb-05-09 02:31 PM   #46 
           - People who do have this expertise have gone over them and determined they are not  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 02:41 PM   #51 
              - The only people who have the expertise to answer this are arbitrators,  Oregone   Feb-05-09 02:49 PM   #56 
                 - Well then certain U.S. and Canadian officials really should shut their pieholes then, huh?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 02:52 PM   #58 
                    - Shut their mouths? But my, this is their job  Oregone   Feb-05-09 02:57 PM   #60 
           - I think I see what you mean. Tell me if I am on the right track now.  pampango   Feb-05-09 03:11 PM   #65 
              - 3) Why are they watering down the bill with...  Oregone   Feb-05-09 03:36 PM   #69 
              - Exactly.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 03:48 PM   #71 
                 - Thank you. I feel better now. n/t  pampango   Feb-05-09 03:54 PM   #73 
  - Yup. nt  Romulox   Feb-05-09 02:33 PM   #48 
  - Like you read and understand any reasonable link provided to you.  Romulox   Feb-05-09 02:32 PM   #47 
     - Now he's concerned that the U.S. might have lied to Canada during NAFTA negotiations  Hello_Kitty   Feb-05-09 02:44 PM   #53 
     - Don't be fooled by this guy. He is a cheap labor shill no matter what the subject. nt  Romulox   Feb-05-09 02:51 PM   #57 
     - He shows up as IGNORED to me, oh well I guess I don't have to see the bullshit  DainBramaged   Feb-05-09 04:54 PM   #76 
        - Talking to pampango is like doing the "Who's On First?" routine in slow motion. nt  Romulox   Feb-06-09 07:14 AM   #83 
           - Is attacking people, instead of addressing their concerns, in the "liberal" SOPs?  Oregone   Feb-06-09 01:38 PM   #102 
              - What promoting American jobs first is attacking people? Give me a break.  DainBramaged   Feb-06-09 04:38 PM   #107 
                 - There are constant attacks here. Example: "Talking to pampango is like doing the "Who's On First?""  Oregone   Feb-06-09 05:44 PM   #108 
                    - Congrats. You've made an exclusive list (one). CLICK. nt  Romulox   Feb-07-09 09:34 AM   #110 
                    - Most of the attacks and name-calling comes from a relatively few posters. You could "ignore" them  pampango   Feb-07-09 11:06 AM   #111 
                       - You don't debate honestly. Neither does Oregone. That's why you two get called names.  Romulox   Feb-07-09 01:07 PM   #112 
                       - To be honest...  Oregone   Feb-07-09 02:50 PM   #114 
                       - If by not debating honestly you mean I don't end up agreeing with you, that's true.  pampango   Feb-07-09 03:14 PM   #115 
                       - Yes, but I also don't do the "ignore" thing  Oregone   Feb-07-09 02:43 PM   #113 
     - More that the multinational corps that drafted NAFTA might have been  pampango   Feb-05-09 03:57 PM   #74 
     - I couldn't find it, but apparently someone else did.  pampango   Feb-05-09 03:52 PM   #72 
  - Self delete  LanternWaste   Feb-05-09 03:03 PM   #62 
  - Interview with Canadian international trade attorney on NPR last night  eilen   Feb-06-09 07:17 AM   #84 
  - Thanks for the update. So much misinformation on this subject. nt  Romulox   Feb-06-09 07:29 AM   #85 
  - Notice the thread shitters are silent.........  DainBramaged   Feb-06-09 11:55 AM   #99 
  - Then if our stimulus stimulates other economies by the way, it's  treestar   Feb-06-09 07:33 AM   #86 
     - Honestly, our economic engine  eilen   Feb-06-09 07:48 AM   #88 
     - The whole issue is incredibly complicated at this point  Oregone   Feb-06-09 01:43 PM   #103 
     - Canada had/has a leadership that is very  eilen   Feb-06-09 02:49 PM   #106 
  - The cheap labor con precipitates a national/global crash...  Orsino   Feb-06-09 02:23 PM   #105 

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