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Wed Feb-04-09 05:10 PM
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Inasmuch as 90% of the US population isn't involved in subsistence farming, we're all pretty damn rich. Do you live in a corrugated iron shack, have one set of clothing and have to wash it in a river naked in all weathers? Is there a 10-20% chance your child will die before it reaches the age of 5? When was the last time you went consecutive days without food while working construction and coming home to live on a bunk bed in a trailer with ten other guys? Do you have plumbing, electricity, a secondary education and access to an emergency room? Congratulations, you won the frickin' birth lottery.
Yes, the American economy sucks but it's a long, long, long, long way to the bottom.
You have a right to shelter, food and work but so does everyone else regardless of where they were born. And there are many countries where the majority of the population hasn't had any of those things for decades. They're poor. We're the richest country in the world going through an economic hiccup. Sorry, it sucks. I'm unemployed too. But I'm not going to begrudge my job to some of the poorest people on the planet who have been busting their ass since birth to get out of life threatening poverty.
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| -So you are happy when foreign guestworkers get their visas terminated? |
Smith_3 |
Feb-03-09 05:07 AM |
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You really summed it up! |
treestar |
Feb-03-09 05:10 AM |
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BELIEVE ME I WOULD IF I FUCKING COULD |
Skittles |
Feb-03-09 05:20 AM |
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what skittles said! nt |
Mari333 |
Feb-03-09 07:12 AM |
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That's right |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Feb-03-09 07:57 AM |
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Thumbs up on what you said Skittles! |
Azlady |
Feb-03-09 09:11 AM |
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THAT'S THE SPIRIT! GOD DAMN ALL FUCKING FOREIGNERS! |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Feb-03-09 09:13 AM |
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Why are you angry at others over a risk YOU chose to take? |
bunnies |
Feb-03-09 10:00 AM |
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I'm not the one shitting on other human beings. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Feb-03-09 11:32 AM |
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LOL |
Skittles |
Feb-03-09 07:09 PM |
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Still sucks though... |
wickerwoman |
Feb-03-09 07:32 PM |
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I dont disagree. It definitely sucks. |
bunnies |
Feb-04-09 06:55 AM |
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It's easy for you to say. Having American citizenship essentially the whole world is open to you. |
Smith_3 |
Feb-04-09 07:21 AM |
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Are people in the US losing their visas being arrested |
bunnies |
Feb-04-09 07:45 AM |
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I lived in China for about five years and many of my friends are Chinese. |
wickerwoman |
Feb-04-09 12:07 PM |
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Thanks for the info. |
bunnies |
Feb-04-09 12:53 PM |
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The whole world is open if you are an American with MONEY. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-06-09 11:08 AM |
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that's not what it is |
Skittles |
Feb-03-09 12:09 PM |
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That's OK. Plenty of people here would cheer if your mom got kicked out. n/t |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Feb-03-09 12:17 PM |
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Then why do you continue to post on a site with so many low-life, bigoted, jingoistic hypocrites? |
TahitiNut |
Feb-03-09 12:44 PM |
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he's a coward |
Skittles |
Feb-03-09 12:45 PM |
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you just don't fucking get it do you? |
Skittles |
Feb-03-09 12:44 PM |
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I guess not. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Feb-03-09 01:23 PM |
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nope, you clearly do not get it |
Skittles |
Feb-03-09 05:44 PM |
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Maybe your a terrarist.... |
Sandrine for you |
Feb-03-09 12:17 PM |
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You're not making much sense. |
girl gone mad |
Feb-03-09 05:24 AM |
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doesn't know the difference between fair trade and exploitation |
Skittles |
Feb-03-09 05:34 AM |
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Judging from many of the comments on this board. |
Smith_3 |
Feb-03-09 05:39 AM |
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No, it's the American worker's fault. They think they should be able |
acmavm |
Feb-03-09 07:58 AM |
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Nail on the head! |
Fire1 |
Feb-03-09 01:36 PM |
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Defining "fair trade" is about as difficult as defining "free trade". |
pampango |
Feb-03-09 05:46 AM |
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We put a 2% surplus on Chinese goods. They slap a 20% tariff on ours. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-03-09 01:52 PM |
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sounds like someone found a little urine in his breakfast cereal |
chemp |
Feb-03-09 05:35 AM |
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Sheesh, take a valium and get your shit together. You're hysterical. |
acmavm |
Feb-03-09 05:35 AM |
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America benefits alot from other countries. |
Smith_3 |
Feb-03-09 05:44 AM |
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Does America PAY for the energy it? Or does we get it for FREEEEEE? |
acmavm |
Feb-03-09 06:00 AM |
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Yes, but ipse facto you pay less that it's worth to you. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-03-09 07:43 AM |
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We need jobs first. The rest of the world means nothing if we have |
acmavm |
Feb-03-09 07:47 AM |
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Quite the reverse. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-03-09 08:13 AM |
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We're rich. All of us are rich? That's fucking good to know because |
acmavm |
Feb-03-09 08:22 AM |
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Do Africans have that right? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-03-09 08:57 AM |
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Well, Africa is NOT my/our problem. They deserve help, they |
acmavm |
Feb-03-09 09:06 AM |
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Of course it does. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-03-09 09:27 AM |
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Okay, here's you answer to you stupid (and yes, it is very stupid) |
acmavm |
Feb-03-09 09:34 AM |
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No, you're pitting one set of workers against other sets - |
haele |
Feb-03-09 12:30 PM |
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Kudos to you, but I think you're probably wasting your breath. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Feb-03-09 01:26 PM |
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You are using the language of the Left to shill for multinational corporations |
Romulox |
Feb-04-09 07:05 AM |
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THANK YOU!! |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-05-09 10:45 PM |
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Africa has been on the way down ever since they gained independence. |
olegramps |
Feb-04-09 08:52 AM |
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The major reason for that is the |
liberalhistorian |
Feb-04-09 10:50 AM |
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Not my problem. Tell it to their government. I have my own to worry about. |
acmavm |
Feb-04-09 06:02 AM |
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Yes. |
wickerwoman |
Feb-04-09 05:10 PM |
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I agree. |
Owl |
Feb-03-09 09:05 AM |
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I know. I'm talking to an idiot. |
acmavm |
Feb-03-09 09:35 AM |
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It's so maddening, isn't it? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-05-09 10:08 PM |
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There is no logic to your post. What something is "worth" is what a buyer is willing to pay |
Romulox |
Feb-04-09 07:03 AM |
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I fear you're rather proving your own point about public understanding of economics :-p |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-04-09 10:34 AM |
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Errr... you are ignoring the SELLER in this transaction |
Romulox |
Feb-04-09 10:55 AM |
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I agree, it's nonsense, *which is why I didn't do so*. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-04-09 11:32 AM |
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I responded to the fact that your comment made no sense in context |
Romulox |
Feb-04-09 11:39 AM |
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The rest of the world needs America |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-05-09 10:07 PM |
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Yes, demanding that someone give you a job rather than someone else is selfish. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-03-09 07:40 AM |
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Immigtation is a huge factor in the decline of good jobs and wages in the USA. |
BlueManDude |
Feb-03-09 05:40 AM |
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Immigration is a reality and always has been. |
Smith_3 |
Feb-03-09 05:45 AM |
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Back that up please. Oh, and go tell all of Europeans who are sick of the same |
acmavm |
Feb-03-09 06:02 AM |
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Are you serious? |
olegramps |
Feb-04-09 09:02 AM |
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Check further up thread. Nobody mentioned Illegal immigration. |
Realityhack |
Feb-04-09 09:08 AM |
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It's 2009 not 1820. Having open borders today is absurd and is ruining this country. |
BlueManDude |
Feb-04-09 05:41 PM |
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Fine. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Feb-03-09 01:28 PM |
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Actually without it we would be severely fucked. |
Realityhack |
Feb-04-09 08:50 AM |
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No we are not at negative population growth w/o immigration |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-05-09 10:54 PM |
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ILLEGAL Immigration is, because corporations can pay them less and get away with it. |
anonymous171 |
Feb-04-09 08:52 AM |
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We do need to see more differentiation between the different types. |
Realityhack |
Feb-04-09 09:06 AM |
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Our economy needs to create at least 200,000 jobs each month. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-05-09 10:06 AM |
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Have fun living in your black and white world. |
Marrah_G |
Feb-03-09 05:43 AM |
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A good point. |
Realityhack |
Feb-04-09 09:15 AM |
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I already do, so let's get HB1s stopped and goods manufactured abroad tariffed highly nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-03-09 05:50 AM |
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I find that very difficult to believe |
Spider Jerusalem |
Feb-04-09 08:00 AM |
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Well, I'm not perfect but let me tell you what I do.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-04-09 08:08 PM |
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You haven't entirely. |
Realityhack |
Feb-04-09 09:13 AM |
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I think we need to focus on our people now who are quickly becoming impoverished.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-04-09 08:10 PM |
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Nice dodge. |
Realityhack |
Feb-05-09 07:39 AM |
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Wow. I guess I was too mild-mannered huh? Let me be a little bit more emphatic.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-05-09 09:35 PM |
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I agree with you 100%, Sarah! n/t |
OhioChick |
Feb-05-09 10:41 PM |
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No |
quaker bill |
Feb-03-09 06:03 AM |
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What about multinational companies? |
ieoeja |
Feb-03-09 01:16 PM |
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Generally |
quaker bill |
Feb-05-09 05:19 AM |
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I don't want my tax dollars subsidizing companies |
LiberalEsto |
Feb-03-09 06:36 AM |
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of course not. But I'm not happy when wages are driven down by those folks, either |
ixion |
Feb-03-09 06:38 AM |
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I don't buy foreign when possible... |
OhioChick |
Feb-03-09 07:05 AM |
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That's exactly what India should be doing. And so should we n/t |
eridani |
Feb-05-09 05:44 AM |
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India is kicking out the foreigners.... |
OhioChick |
Feb-05-09 09:43 PM |
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Yes. They should be doing that. And so should we n/t |
eridani |
Feb-06-09 05:04 AM |
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In a word... |
JANdad |
Feb-03-09 07:09 AM |
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There is a certain irony here, some of those jobs may have been outsourced |
MiniMe |
Feb-03-09 07:18 AM |
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To the OP |
.... callchet .... |
Feb-03-09 07:37 AM |
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They are friends of mine who I care about - why would I wish something bad on my friends |
stray cat |
Feb-03-09 07:38 AM |
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'Murikkka for the 'Murikkkans!!!! |
BlooInBloo |
Feb-03-09 07:44 AM |
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Well, you're pretty pathetic all the time. |
acmavm |
Feb-03-09 08:24 AM |
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It must suck being stupid |
DainBramaged |
Feb-03-09 08:29 AM |
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I know...it's so pathetic to want to eat...Stoopid Americans! |
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Feb-06-09 02:07 PM |
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I think the "all or nothing" style argument is one of the weakest. |
Romulox |
Feb-03-09 07:45 AM |
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Feb-03-09 08:05 AM |
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Feb-03-09 12:30 PM |
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No globalist TOOL is going to guilt me out |
mitchum |
Feb-03-09 07:57 AM |
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No. I'm sad that it's come to this. |
Iggo |
Feb-03-09 08:01 AM |
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Stop consuming WHAT American products? So foreign workers take priority over American workers huh? |
L0oniX |
Feb-03-09 08:05 AM |
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How about this? Goods produced by underpaid foreign workers should be tariffed... |
Junkdrawer |
Feb-03-09 08:10 AM |
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I see you're carrying your "feel sorry for job-stealing Foreigners" meme here |
DainBramaged |
Feb-03-09 08:29 AM |
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Go back to bed OP and get up on the other side...Geesh! |
InkAddict |
Feb-03-09 08:38 AM |
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Throw a bone in the kennel and watch the dogs fight over the bone. |
.... callchet .... |
Feb-03-09 09:00 AM |
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I love irrational rants. |
bunnies |
Feb-03-09 09:58 AM |
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Xenophobia and nationalism are big sellers in economic hard times. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-03-09 11:47 AM |
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Uh-huh... because that's the ONLY reason American labor is complaining about foreign labor. |
TahitiNut |
Feb-03-09 12:28 PM |
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American Democracy = Xenophobia, if you are a globalist. nt |
Romulox |
Feb-03-09 01:05 PM |
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Especially when lack of it is what caused this. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Feb-04-09 07:00 AM |
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They're good sellers anytime in America! |
depakid |
Feb-04-09 08:59 AM |
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LOL! Globalists have invaded the left, under the guise of "nationalism fearing" progressivism. |
anonymous171 |
Feb-04-09 09:00 AM |
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There are two ways to deal with the race to the bottom. |
Evoman |
Feb-03-09 11:56 AM |
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Feel better now that you've had your rant? I guess it doesn't bother you that qualified Americans |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Feb-03-09 12:08 PM |
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Any American worker that keeps his or her job when a needy person from another country wants it .... |
TahitiNut |
Feb-03-09 12:26 PM |
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TahitiNut |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Feb-03-09 01:04 PM |
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That is called a strawman, I believe. nt |
Smith_3 |
Feb-04-09 07:31 AM |
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No, it ISN'T a straw man! |
Raksha |
Feb-04-09 11:58 AM |
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I personally have nothing material to gain from immigration. |
Smith_3 |
Feb-05-09 03:27 AM |
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... 'cept cheap lettuce. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-05-09 10:08 AM |
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sure, yeah |
libodem |
Feb-03-09 12:39 PM |
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Feb-03-09 01:08 PM |
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You know, you could always volunteer to give your job to a displaced visa holder. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-03-09 01:09 PM |
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You're in for a big surprise in about 6 months. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Feb-04-09 06:11 AM |
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The OP must be a CEO raking in massive bundles of money |
Vinca |
Feb-04-09 07:13 AM |
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Yeah. Thinking foreigners have same rights as americans is definately something only a CEO would do. |
Smith_3 |
Feb-04-09 07:30 AM |
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Oh yeah |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-05-09 10:12 PM |
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I suspect that the OP is just a loyal TOADY who is serving his corporate MASTERS |
mitchum |
Feb-04-09 11:07 AM |
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That's what I think too. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-05-09 10:14 PM |
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I certainly hope the OP is satire |
sentelle |
Feb-04-09 07:44 AM |
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wrong |
Skittles |
Feb-05-09 10:47 PM |
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I answered your question upthread |
JANdad |
Feb-04-09 08:31 AM |
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lol |
anonymous171 |
Feb-04-09 08:51 AM |
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I sure as hell am. |
AngryOldDem |
Feb-04-09 10:27 AM |
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Wow. There's some sophisticated thinking |
Matariki |
Feb-04-09 11:39 AM |
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Happy? No. But lets be honest |
yodoobo |
Feb-04-09 05:49 PM |
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So if there is an excess, foreigners can be hired. And in the event that this excess declines |
Smith_3 |
Feb-05-09 03:26 AM |
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We're not talking about immigrants. We are talking about guest workers |
yodoobo |
Feb-05-09 09:56 AM |
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Smith_3, let me explain something to you. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-05-09 10:29 PM |
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Funny thing is, |
juno jones |
Feb-05-09 08:28 AM |
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It's beginning to sound like we need an Anti-Immigrant Party |
Still Sensible |
Feb-05-09 08:45 AM |
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No, we need an Anti-Cheap Labor and Anti-Exploitation Party. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-05-09 10:18 PM |
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I agree with you, but am in the minority. Would be so sad NOT to buy foreign products. |
krabigirl |
Feb-05-09 10:33 AM |
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Well until we're under the "Earth" flag we have nations |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-06-09 11:06 AM |
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I'm unhappy when anyone is hired because they are "cheap labor". |
Barack_America |
Feb-05-09 09:49 PM |
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That makes no sense. Being opposed to H1-B visas does NOT require someone to be protectionist. |
smalll |
Feb-05-09 10:24 PM |
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If you're concerned about "Buy American" read this: |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-05-09 10:37 PM |
#143 |