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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #79
82. Here's something to do while you wait.
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  -On Regulating Infertility Treatments: BITE ME IdaBriggs  Jan-31-09 03:11 PM   #0 
  - As long as you have some foreseeable means of supporting the children and can pay for the treatments  slackmaster   Jan-31-09 03:14 PM   #1 
  - And Won't Put 14 Children At Risk  NashVegas   Jan-31-09 03:27 PM   #12 
  - If your only concern is RISK, then do you think anyone with a RISKY career  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:55 PM   #37 
     - Show Me The Odds  NashVegas   Jan-31-09 04:05 PM   #41 
        - So you want to regulate family size too?  WolverineDG   Jan-31-09 04:17 PM   #43 
        - Where Did I Say That? Nowhere  NashVegas   Jan-31-09 04:18 PM   #44 
           - You mentioned the risk of abuse & neglect going up  WolverineDG   Jan-31-09 05:11 PM   #69 
              - Yup. I Sure Did  NashVegas   Jan-31-09 05:17 PM   #71 
        - Hrm-  Mother Of Four   Jan-31-09 11:02 PM   #130 
  - Who decides this though? If my hubby and I work at Taco Bell, should we not be allowed? nt  recoveringrepublican   Jan-31-09 07:05 PM   #87 
  - I want you and your husband to decide  slackmaster   Feb-01-09 01:53 PM   #157 
  - How much would you suggest?  rug   Jan-31-09 08:15 PM   #100 
     - How much what?  slackmaster   Feb-01-09 01:52 PM   #156 
  - It's been a long time since "crack whores" have been featured in a DU post  leftstreet   Jan-31-09 03:14 PM   #2 
  - At one point in the journey, we actually ran into the sister of one.  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:18 PM   #3 
     - Wow That's reads like a Jacques Cousteau experience n/t  leftstreet   Jan-31-09 03:22 PM   #8 
     - Well who the fuck are YOU to judge?  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 03:31 PM   #16 
        - Who is judging? I was being jealous as all hell. nt  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:35 PM   #21 
           - Are you serious? What is the condition of those children?  lizzy   Jan-31-09 04:43 PM   #54 
              - I was being jealous of her ability to get pregnant with zero effort.  IdaBriggs   Feb-01-09 02:38 AM   #134 
  - Having an office policy that only 3 embryos be implanted at a time seems reasonable though.  uppityperson   Jan-31-09 03:19 PM   #4 
  - Office policies are created because of success rates.  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:25 PM   #10 
  - I am glad you have children now. nt  ZombieHorde   Jan-31-09 03:19 PM   #5 
  - So am I. nt  DevonRex   Jan-31-09 03:23 PM   #9 
  - Thank you -- my husband is on the floor playing with them at the moment.  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:45 PM   #30 
  - So you think it's ethical for drs to implant 8 embryos at once?  Kittycat   Jan-31-09 03:20 PM   #6 
  - We once transferred six. Long story.  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:29 PM   #14 
  - "if she can afford it"  hfojvt   Feb-01-09 02:27 PM   #160 
  - Not trying to be crass about this.  Kittycat   Feb-01-09 04:08 PM   #164 
  - Do you think it's legal for doctors to make that choice for their patients?  wickerwoman   Jan-31-09 07:14 PM   #88 
     - No one is telling her how many she can have.  Kittycat   Feb-01-09 04:06 PM   #163 
  - To knowingly put the lives of 8 children at risk by implanting that many at once  DevonRex   Jan-31-09 03:21 PM   #7 
  - oh, good grief.  enlightenment   Jan-31-09 03:26 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-31-09 03:34 PM   #19 
  - Thank you.  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:37 PM   #22 
     - You got it! I've been through the same hell. We're on a break now.  Veganistan   Jan-31-09 03:45 PM   #31 
        - My first one was a nightmare; the second was better.  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:52 PM   #35 
  - I tend to agree  ima_sinnic   Jan-31-09 05:23 PM   #75 
  - And none of what you say applies when the woman ALREADY HAS 6 CHILDREN  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 03:29 PM   #13 
  - Because NO ONE has the right to tell someone else YES or NO  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:34 PM   #20 
  - When public funds are being used for infertility treatments, it becomes everyone's business  slackmaster   Jan-31-09 03:38 PM   #23 
  - Ah, Viagra is okay, birth control is okay, but infertility treatments --  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:42 PM   #27 
  - RIF  slackmaster   Jan-31-09 03:44 PM   #29 
     - Slackmaster, Viagra is paid for with public funds right now.  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:50 PM   #34 
        - I'm opposed to the use of public funds to pay for elective drugs, surgery, etc.  slackmaster   Jan-31-09 03:52 PM   #36 
  - Public funds being used? Where, exactly, is the info to back that up?  Shakespeare   Feb-01-09 11:41 AM   #147 
  - So the world's doing real well with almost 7 billion people, isn't it?  MedleyMisty   Jan-31-09 03:41 PM   #26 
  - Yes they do.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 03:44 PM   #28 
  - Thank you.  juno jones   Jan-31-09 06:59 PM   #86 
  - that's one of the main reasons the world is so screwed up today....  mike_c   Jan-31-09 03:46 PM   #32 
  - We Don't Have to Regulate the Right to Reproduce  NashVegas   Jan-31-09 04:03 PM   #40 
  - The OP's dismissal of adoption really got to me.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 04:23 PM   #45 
     - You know what? Some here are acting as if there is a busload  lizzy   Jan-31-09 04:35 PM   #49 
     - I never said adoption was easy.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 04:42 PM   #52 
     - Maybe  rebecca_herman   Jan-31-09 04:48 PM   #57 
     - Too bad all potential parents aren't scrutinized like adoptive ones are.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 05:04 PM   #62 
        - So you think someone shouldn't be allowed to have kids...  rebecca_herman   Jan-31-09 05:07 PM   #65 
        - Not for being overweight or previously suffering from depression, no.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 05:10 PM   #67 
           - It happens though  rebecca_herman   Jan-31-09 05:21 PM   #73 
              - It happens in custody battles too.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 05:39 PM   #81 
        - Jesus, you just sound sicker and sicker every day.  spoony   Feb-01-09 05:28 PM   #168 
     - If I had to choose between laying in bed 5 months constantly puking...  Runcible Spoon   Jan-31-09 08:19 PM   #102 
     - Not true.... PLENTY of kids need homes.... its perfect infants  Lisa0825   Jan-31-09 04:46 PM   #56 
     - Under 4 aren't easily available for adoption.  IdaBriggs   Feb-01-09 03:00 AM   #136 
     - Because most of them are not perfect little white babies.  alarimer   Jan-31-09 05:05 PM   #63 
     - Severe and special problems require a lot of money and time.  lizzy   Jan-31-09 05:10 PM   #68 
        - Indeed  rebecca_herman   Jan-31-09 05:34 PM   #80 
        - So will 14 healthy kids....IF they end up healthy. nt  Critters2   Jan-31-09 10:46 PM   #123 
     - My wife and i have been looking at adoption for a while  vadawg   Jan-31-09 07:33 PM   #92 
     - People wait years to adopt a child who meets their specifications.  Critters2   Jan-31-09 10:45 PM   #121 
     - There aren't an adundance of healthy newborns available for adoption  cherish44   Feb-01-09 04:59 AM   #139 
     - Disappointing, But Again, I Try To Understand  NashVegas   Jan-31-09 04:42 PM   #53 
     - yes, I noticed that too (nt)  ima_sinnic   Jan-31-09 05:28 PM   #77 
     - Dismissal of adoption -- you don't have a clue, do you?  IdaBriggs   Feb-01-09 02:54 AM   #135 
        - That's not what you said in the OP.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-01-09 11:23 AM   #145 
           - I tried to summarize EIGHT YEARS of trying to have a child,  IdaBriggs   Feb-01-09 04:44 PM   #167 
  - "Population, Evolution and Birth Control" by Garrett Hardin was one of the first books  Sal Minella   Jan-31-09 04:45 PM   #55 
  - it is not "personal" when 14 OTHER human beings are involved  ima_sinnic   Jan-31-09 05:22 PM   #74 
  - The doctor has every right to refuse to be involved if the situation is dangerous or unethical.  LeftyMom   Jan-31-09 10:02 PM   #118 
  - We sure as hell do. It's everyone's business because our resources are FINITE  Lorien   Feb-01-09 10:45 AM   #142 
  - With all due respect, if I'm being asked to pay the bills, it becomes my business. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-01-09 01:23 PM   #155 
     - I'd say that's not true.  spoony   Feb-01-09 05:31 PM   #169 
        - That's the way that all indemnity (insurance) works.  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-01-09 09:48 PM   #173 
  - The message you just sent  noamnety   Jan-31-09 07:51 PM   #94 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-31-09 08:48 PM   #104 
  - So you approve of Ida's choice  noamnety   Jan-31-09 08:57 PM   #107 
     - Why does it have to be statutory rape?  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 09:08 PM   #110 
        - Please see post 104. (nt)  noamnety   Jan-31-09 10:32 PM   #119 
           - I can't. It was removed.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 10:40 PM   #120 
              - Exactly. It was your post. (nt)  noamnety   Jan-31-09 10:48 PM   #124 
                 - Most likely because you whined about it to the mods.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 10:50 PM   #125 
                    - Actually, I wasn't the one who reported it.  noamnety   Jan-31-09 10:54 PM   #126 
                       - So calling women crack whores is okay to you then?  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 11:00 PM   #129 
  - Speaking of "approve" . Do you approve of the OP's reference to "crack whores"?  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 09:35 PM   #113 
  - I imagine she totally understands. I think you're not hearing what  JerseygirlCT   Jan-31-09 08:00 PM   #97 
     - Yeah, everyone should have as many children as they want  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 08:50 PM   #105 
        - The point is that YOU aren't impowered to decide what's best  JerseygirlCT   Jan-31-09 08:55 PM   #106 
           - The woman is currently demanding that TV personalities give her $2 million  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 09:11 PM   #111 
              - That very well might be true  JerseygirlCT   Feb-01-09 12:07 PM   #150 
                 - And there are plenty of therapists offices full of people brought up by them  Hello_Kitty   Feb-01-09 10:15 PM   #177 
                    - You might be. But as I said, we don't decide to remove children  JerseygirlCT   Feb-02-09 02:40 PM   #179 
  - Take your 'regulate it MORE' and stuff it.  varelse   Jan-31-09 03:30 PM   #15 
  - You are correct. I was trying to make a point about how the STUPID  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-09 03:38 PM   #24 
  - They're not necessarily stupid (some of these people are obviously educated and fairly bright)  varelse   Jan-31-09 03:55 PM   #38 
  - I think that was intended as an example - to illustrate the stupidity of those here who think they  Veganistan   Jan-31-09 03:38 PM   #25 
  - Correct. You Do Not Have to Justify Your Irrational Desire To Procreate  NashVegas   Jan-31-09 03:32 PM   #17 
  - You can ASK for 8 Embryos to be implanted but it should be illegal for any doctor to do so.  KittyWampus   Jan-31-09 03:32 PM   #18 
  - "And the fact there is one crazy woman out there who has 14 now is not really relevant to me"  Lex   Jan-31-09 03:47 PM   #33 
  - Just one more example of putting selfish wants ahead of what society needs.  alarimer   Jan-31-09 05:07 PM   #64 
  - Not "wants," RIGHTS.  spoony   Feb-01-09 05:36 PM   #170 
  - hear, hear Lex  lcdnumber6   Jan-31-09 07:21 PM   #90 
  - The smallest weighs 1-1/2 pounds. The largest weighs 3-1/4 pounds.  DevonRex   Jan-31-09 03:58 PM   #39 
  - Hear hear!  WolverineDG   Jan-31-09 04:15 PM   #42 
  - I believe it is unehtical AND immoral for fertile women to have fertility treatments  LostinVA   Jan-31-09 04:28 PM   #46 
  - Well, the mother who gave birth to 8 was infertile.  lizzy   Jan-31-09 04:33 PM   #48 
  - The doctors need to be regulated.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-31-09 04:32 PM   #47 
  - You are obviously a sane person.  Vinca   Jan-31-09 04:39 PM   #50 
  - Let's call her mental state what it really is  slackmaster   Jan-31-09 04:42 PM   #51 
  - Feh, There's a group here that thinks no one should be allowed to reproduce, ever.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-31-09 04:56 PM   #58 
  - "a group here that thinks no one should be allowed to reproduce, ever"  gristy   Jan-31-09 04:58 PM   #59 
  - Yeah.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-31-09 05:00 PM   #60 
     - waiting . . .  ima_sinnic   Jan-31-09 05:33 PM   #79 
        - Here's something to do while you wait.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-31-09 05:41 PM   #82 
           - gee, you mean, you mean ... you couldn't come up with a link? who woulda guessed?  ima_sinnic   Jan-31-09 05:53 PM   #85 
              - You're right. They're only advocating "voluntary" human extinction.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-31-09 08:17 PM   #101 
  - OT, but don't you think that if they were around today, they'd all be wearing  JerseygirlCT   Jan-31-09 08:57 PM   #109 
  - They need to be regulated like any other treatment.  alarimer   Jan-31-09 05:00 PM   #61 
  - Oh baloney. People have to wait years to adopt.  lizzy   Jan-31-09 05:09 PM   #66 
     - Adoption can be damn near impossible if you're not rich  Veganistan   Jan-31-09 05:29 PM   #78 
  - I've said it before but it obviously bears repeating:  kestrel91316   Jan-31-09 05:12 PM   #70 
  - I thought this was about a woman with some sort of mental illness.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-31-09 05:26 PM   #76 
     - Meanwhile, the OP makes a reference to "crack whores" and that's hunky dory with you  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 09:39 PM   #114 
     - No, I never said I agreed with all the phrasing in the OP.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-31-09 09:52 PM   #116 
     - I agree with you about the ethical implications and questioning the doctor's judgment.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 09:56 PM   #117 
     - You don't believe in crack whores? Or are you unaware of the term?  IdaBriggs   Feb-01-09 03:12 AM   #137 
        - Ida, your bitterness toward such women is quite clear.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-01-09 11:21 AM   #144 
     - Well, to answer that last question of yours, in this particular case  kestrel91316   Feb-01-09 10:39 AM   #141 
        - and having the means to support and care for the children must be consideration as well.  BrklynLiberal   Feb-01-09 02:18 PM   #159 
        - See, I'm not comfortable with goverment dictating to people when to have or not have children.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-01-09 03:47 PM   #162 
  - Well, I am very very, very very very - very very happy that  ferrous wheel   Jan-31-09 05:18 PM   #72 
  - You know what? I can sympathize with the OP's feelings, but here's what I think:  Berry Cool   Jan-31-09 05:49 PM   #83 
  - There will be a time in the not-so-distant future  Canuckistanian   Jan-31-09 05:52 PM   #84 
  - Very, very interesting thought  Number23   Jan-31-09 07:23 PM   #91 
  - You GO, IdaBriggs! lol I agree with every word you've said.  Number23   Jan-31-09 07:20 PM   #89 
  - A fucking men  ismnotwasm   Jan-31-09 07:50 PM   #93 
  - "poor people shouldn't breed,"  noamnety   Jan-31-09 07:59 PM   #96 
  - "minding my own business and tending to the business of my own uterus"  Warren DeMontague   Jan-31-09 08:40 PM   #103 
  - I find your response interesting  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 09:33 PM   #112 
  - Well  ismnotwasm   Feb-01-09 10:49 AM   #143 
     - I appreciate your experience  Hello_Kitty   Feb-01-09 11:31 AM   #146 
        - Oh, Ok, I get your point  ismnotwasm   Feb-01-09 03:00 PM   #161 
           - Thanks for getting the point, and understanding the challenges.  IdaBriggs   Feb-01-09 04:26 PM   #165 
           - I get that. And I'm sure that octuplet preemies would be equally disturbing in their own way.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-01-09 09:50 PM   #174 
  - She's already "bred" six times!  AnnieBW   Jan-31-09 09:45 PM   #115 
  - If I understand things correctly, these were leftover frozen embryos from  IdaBriggs   Feb-01-09 03:23 AM   #138 
  - I see from another post that you are a nurse.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 10:45 PM   #122 
     - Especially implanting 8 when the ethcial medical limit is 2 or 3??  BrklynLiberal   Feb-01-09 02:16 PM   #158 
     - First of all  ismnotwasm   Feb-01-09 10:10 PM   #176 
  - Amen. And I'm sorry for all your pain, and happy for the joyful  JerseygirlCT   Jan-31-09 07:56 PM   #95 
  - Basic medical ethics require regulation  depakid   Jan-31-09 08:02 PM   #98 
  - selfish, selfish.  lcdnumber6   Jan-31-09 08:08 PM   #99 
  - You're obviously missing the point entirely of the uproar over the octuplet mom.  AZBlue   Jan-31-09 08:57 PM   #108 
  - You're defending as a well-made decision octomom's 14 kids? Seriously?  BlooInBloo   Jan-31-09 10:57 PM   #127 
  - So I've learned from some people on this thread:  Hello_Kitty   Jan-31-09 10:59 PM   #128 
  - Pretty much everything else is regulated  Mz Pip   Jan-31-09 11:10 PM   #131 
  - People shouldn't have children they can't afford to take care of and feed.  earth mom   Jan-31-09 11:15 PM   #132 
  - Well put!  hamsterjill   Feb-02-09 03:26 PM   #180 
  - Ida it is not you who is an ethical problem... the ethics of this delivery  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-31-09 11:22 PM   #133 
  - As medicine improves, the state will have to stop funding most infertility treatment, I suspect  Donald Ian Rankin   Feb-01-09 06:27 AM   #140 
  - Show me, please, where the state funds infertility treatments.  Shakespeare   Feb-01-09 11:58 AM   #149 
     - Here, in the UK.  Donald Ian Rankin   Feb-01-09 05:40 PM   #171 
        - NO public funding in the US, and it's even spotty in the UK.  Shakespeare   Feb-01-09 05:47 PM   #172 
  - Thanks, Ida. Folks are acting as if we have an epidemic of octuplet births going on.  Shakespeare   Feb-01-09 11:55 AM   #148 
  - Thanks for saying what you said, Shakespeare.  Cerridwen   Feb-01-09 12:33 PM   #153 
  - apples and oranges , Ida  JitterbugPerfume   Feb-01-09 12:14 PM   #151 
  - Not really, JP. People are using what is a highly unusual occurrence to argue for regulating or...  Shakespeare   Feb-01-09 12:27 PM   #152 
     - I really do hope  JitterbugPerfume   Feb-01-09 12:52 PM   #154 
     - Hardly.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-01-09 09:55 PM   #175 
        - Hardly what?  Shakespeare   Feb-02-09 09:14 AM   #178 
  - personally, i have no idea why anyone would want to go through all that effort/expense to have kids.  dysfunctional press   Feb-01-09 04:37 PM   #166 

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