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Fri Jan-30-09 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #20 |
| 25. The same thing that happened to Hummers and CEO severance packages. |
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We began to realize that some choices are greed in disguise, and are ultimately unsustainable.
And that yes, our opinions matter.
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| -Is It Really Legal/Ethical For Someone To Have IVF If They Already Have 6 Kids? |
KittyWampus |
Jan-30-09 08:45 AM |
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Sounds to me like this woman was just intent on being a SuperBreeder, for |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-30-09 08:49 AM |
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If we're going to champion "reproductive choice" |
nichomachus |
Jan-30-09 08:55 AM |
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When we commit to universal health care, for example... |
Orsino |
Jan-30-09 09:29 AM |
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"Don't the rest of us get even a tiny bit of say in the matter?" |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-30-09 09:32 AM |
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There's an outbreak of that "Anti-Her Choice" at DU since |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-30-09 09:35 AM |
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I thought "Pro-Choice" was a two-way street. Apparently it's not. n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-30-09 09:37 AM |
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ProChoice Also Means Criticism Free? |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-30-09 09:47 AM |
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I agree--I am free to criticize women who have multiple abortions instead |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-30-09 09:59 AM |
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Absolutely (eom) |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-30-09 10:04 AM |
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I agree 100%. But we're arguing someone's notion that WE should "have a say in the matter". n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-30-09 10:32 AM |
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I'm Not and I Don't Think TG is Either |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-30-09 11:12 AM |
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I know that wasn't TG's point. Further upthread it was suggested that |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-30-09 11:53 AM |
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Maybe the analogy to abortion is faulty |
Bill McBlueState |
Jan-30-09 09:44 AM |
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The choice to abort? Fine by me. |
Orsino |
Jan-30-09 09:36 AM |
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So "Pro-Choice" refers only to the choice to abort, and not the other way around. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-30-09 09:39 AM |
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this choice isn't made in a vacuum |
Bill McBlueState |
Jan-30-09 09:42 AM |
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We could argue about this all day long, from any number of different tacks. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-30-09 09:45 AM |
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Not to be snarky |
michreject |
Jan-30-09 09:49 AM |
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if so |
Bill McBlueState |
Jan-30-09 09:55 AM |
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Point is |
michreject |
Jan-30-09 10:15 AM |
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Got any proof to back up that assertion? |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-30-09 10:20 AM |
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So what is your opinion of federal funding for abortions? |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-30-09 10:37 AM |
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you seem to be taking the position |
Bill McBlueState |
Jan-30-09 11:09 AM |
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No, not really. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-30-09 11:57 AM |
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What's the limit then? It's okay to have one kid you can't afford but not ____! |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-30-09 11:09 AM |
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The same thing that happened to Hummers and CEO severance packages. |
Orsino |
Jan-30-09 09:44 AM |
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It seems so, doesn't it? People with lots of kids |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-30-09 10:18 AM |
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I admit it! |
hamsterjill |
Jan-30-09 10:40 AM |
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Does that woman have the right to have all of her limbs surgically removed? |
arcadian |
Jan-30-09 11:34 AM |
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What's your opinion of federal funding for abortions? |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-30-09 10:33 AM |
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I'm okay with it. |
Orsino |
Jan-30-09 02:28 PM |
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Two different issues |
nichomachus |
Jan-30-09 09:55 AM |
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Yes. Thank you. |
Orsino |
Jan-30-09 12:12 PM |
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This is the problem |
Texasgal |
Jan-30-09 11:44 AM |
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Even an opinion on the number of kids we ought to subsidize in various ways? |
Orsino |
Jan-30-09 12:10 PM |
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it is my reproductive choice to have enough kids to form my own militia |
yurbud |
Jan-30-09 12:23 PM |
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I completely agree |
dddem |
Jan-30-09 02:43 PM |
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It is no doubt legal, but you have to wonder about the |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-30-09 09:01 AM |
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I think a woman should be able to have as many kids as she wants |
proud2Blib |
Jan-30-09 09:04 AM |
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I agree. Although I personally believe this is insanity, it is her CHOICE. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jan-30-09 09:37 AM |
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Yes it would definitely NOT be my choice |
proud2Blib |
Jan-30-09 10:05 AM |
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One can support the woman's right to have all the children she wants |
Bill McBlueState |
Jan-30-09 09:40 AM |
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Regardless of what we may see as right, the bottom line it is none of our business. |
elocs |
Jan-30-09 09:42 AM |
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Great post |
proud2Blib |
Jan-30-09 10:06 AM |
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Bingo. nt |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-30-09 10:22 AM |
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Terrific post And a good warning. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-30-09 08:41 PM |
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Bear in mind that probably none of these 8 children will be normal. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-30-09 10:16 AM |
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You sound like a Republican. nt |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-30-09 10:27 AM |
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No--I sound like someone with common sense. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-30-09 10:28 AM |
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Nope, a Republican who doesn't want a "dime of charity" |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-30-09 11:37 AM |
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Srsly, you're starting to sound like a wack-job. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-30-09 11:39 AM |
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And if you penalize the mother the kids will suffer |
proud2Blib |
Jan-30-09 10:32 AM |
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I have a suspicion that this family might be doing this for very shameful reasons. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-30-09 10:35 AM |
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Unfortunately, I have to agree with you... |
colinmom71 |
Jan-30-09 12:07 PM |
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This is such a disturbing story - |
marylanddem |
Jan-30-09 09:05 AM |
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Ethical is arguable, legal isn't. . . . . .n/t |
annabanana |
Jan-30-09 09:05 AM |
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IVF and fertility drugs are different |
Warpy |
Jan-30-09 09:09 AM |
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Is it possible her parents are using her as a kind of breeding machine? |
marylanddem |
Jan-30-09 09:11 AM |
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I thought about that, as soon as "Grampa" announced that he might |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-30-09 09:15 AM |
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Funny how people with no compassion describe their sickness as "normality." |
Lilith Velkor |
Jan-30-09 01:32 PM |
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I read this morning that she's married... |
uberblonde |
Jan-30-09 09:12 AM |
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I thought it was her father that was said to be going to Iraq... |
marylanddem |
Jan-30-09 09:15 AM |
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No--GRAMPA is the one going to Iraq. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-30-09 09:16 AM |
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No, I believe she is single and her father is a contractor in Iraq. |
Bunny |
Jan-30-09 09:16 AM |
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It's bad medicine in the extreme |
cherish44 |
Jan-30-09 09:43 AM |
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What law is being questioned? nt |
michreject |
Jan-30-09 09:52 AM |
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Laws regarding IVF. The procedure and doctors performing it. Are there any standards involved? |
KittyWampus |
Jan-30-09 10:54 AM |
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Absolutely there are standards. |
mainer |
Jan-30-09 11:58 AM |
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Not that I'm aware of |
michreject |
Jan-30-09 04:34 PM |
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It's her body... that should be all I need to say... |
JCMach1 |
Jan-30-09 09:55 AM |
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If it were only her body involved, then there would be no ethical concern here |
customerserviceguy |
Jan-30-09 10:18 AM |
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This story is fucked up.... |
OhioChick |
Jan-30-09 09:58 AM |
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Is IVF moral at all in a world overflowing with starving orphans? |
Greyhound |
Jan-30-09 09:59 AM |
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It is considered a human right |
customerserviceguy |
Jan-30-09 10:20 AM |
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It is, but is it moral to leave millions to suffer horrible, painful, lingering deaths |
Greyhound |
Jan-30-09 10:22 AM |
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I certainly do not defend the decision of any that were involved |
customerserviceguy |
Jan-30-09 08:38 PM |
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Is any reproduction at all moral in a world overflowing with starving orphans? |
ogneopasno |
Jan-30-09 10:22 AM |
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Legitimate question, but not for this thread. n/t |
Greyhound |
Jan-30-09 11:02 AM |
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Legal, probably- ethical, No |
depakid |
Jan-30-09 10:10 AM |
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It seems this women received treatment outside of the norm. At least according to the experts... |
LynneSin |
Jan-30-09 10:19 AM |
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Thank you so much for posting this. It answered all my questions. It's definitely unethical |
KittyWampus |
Jan-30-09 10:59 AM |
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Legal yes, ethical HELL NO! |
slackmaster |
Jan-30-09 10:19 AM |
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Yes, yes and yes to your questions. Because I'm pro-choice. |
ogneopasno |
Jan-30-09 10:21 AM |
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good, then your tax dollars can pay for these 8 frankenbabies' care |
ima_sinnic |
Jan-30-09 10:37 AM |
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That's the same argument republicans have been making about poor people in the projects. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-30-09 11:13 AM |
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that is not a "republican" idea. nobody should have even one child they cannot afford |
ima_sinnic |
Jan-30-09 11:18 AM |
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What if they can afford it at the time but later things go wrong? |
treestar |
Jan-30-09 11:39 AM |
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that is another thing entirely. I'm talking about people who knowingly |
ima_sinnic |
Jan-30-09 12:23 PM |
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But how could we stop them? Making a law to that effect would |
treestar |
Jan-30-09 04:31 PM |
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The idea that you shouldn't have your taxes go to help them is a republican idea. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-30-09 04:33 PM |
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"frankenbabies"??? "sideshow freaks" ??? Wow, the humanity, the |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-30-09 11:44 AM |
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why don't you run to wherever she is and volunteer your care 24/7? |
ima_sinnic |
Jan-30-09 12:21 PM |
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"pro choice" doesn't mean any and all forms of parenting & reproduction goes |
Kashka-Kat |
Jan-30-09 04:58 PM |
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We have? When was that? I guessed I missed it. |
ogneopasno |
Jan-30-09 05:27 PM |
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It's OK for her to have all those kids & it's OK for them to starve to death if she can't feed them |
FarCenter |
Jan-30-09 10:29 AM |
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You're getting into the ethics of population control which is a difficult subject |
Hippo_Tron |
Jan-30-09 10:59 AM |
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it's interesting the subject centers so much around the Mother and not the doctor or clinic |
KittyWampus |
Jan-30-09 11:04 AM |
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Having 8 more children with 6 children at home calls for an investigation |
kiranon |
Jan-30-09 11:02 AM |
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Legal, yes; ethical, your call |
Prophet 451 |
Jan-30-09 11:30 AM |
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Legal only because US law on IVF is fucking stupid |
Spider Jerusalem |
Jan-30-09 11:40 AM |
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To be fair, it is highly unlikely that this octuplet birth was obtained through IVF... |
colinmom71 |
Jan-30-09 12:51 PM |
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I don't know about the legality |
NeedleCast |
Jan-30-09 11:42 AM |
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This whole story sounds fishy. |
mainer |
Jan-30-09 11:46 AM |
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it's environmental rape |
stuntcat |
Jan-30-09 12:14 PM |
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I feel like there is much |
4 t 4 |
Jan-30-09 01:38 PM |
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It's preposterous--but who am I to judge? |
librechik |
Jan-30-09 02:31 PM |
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we all make judgements, every day - there is this concept called "genetic abuse" which applies to |
Kashka-Kat |
Jan-30-09 04:51 PM |
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Sounds like she has a hoarding problem to me. |
ShadesOfGrey |
Jan-30-09 04:50 PM |
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YES I was about to say that- wheres the psychological screening? |
Kashka-Kat |
Jan-30-09 04:51 PM |
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Fourteen or eighteen children is not a 'FAMILY'. It is a HERD. |
bertman |
Jan-30-09 08:49 PM |
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Legal yes...unethical, maybe...it's still her body and her choice. n/t |
cynatnite |
Jan-30-09 08:51 PM |
#111 |
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