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Reply #239: I think poor kids should get Oscars or some kind of academic credit for mastering invisibility. [View All]

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239. I think poor kids should get Oscars or some kind of academic credit for mastering invisibility.
Edited on Wed Jan-28-09 06:56 PM by sfexpat2000
This isn't to let dead beat parents off the hook or any adult that could have taken a step. They are responsible.

But, this thread has made me remember how much of a second "job" hiding our poverty was for me while I was in my early teens right through high school.

I have no idea where I got the idea that you should hide poverty. In all honesty, I probably didn't even know what the word meant or maybe I believed it meant other people, not us.

We lived in a segregated suburb in Silicon Valley and my mom was an executive. She supported me and my brother and my grandmother and her attendant and somewhere in all of that, things unraveled.

But, those "things" weren't supposed to "unravel" in our neighborhood, so we just soldiered on. I don't know what my mom went through, exactly, except that she was working without any net at all. At some point, she stopped being able to work at all.

I only remember feeling embarrassed because I didn't have the quarter for a popsicle on Fridays. In those days, the school provided everything from books to pencils so that Friday treat was the only thing that could go wrong. I could usually find stuff at home to pack for my lunch and my school didn't have a cafeteria. When I couldn't find anything to eat for lunch, I just didn't eat lunch but I also didn't tell anybody. Sometimes I walked home at lunchtime anyway because it was something to do with the time. If my friends asked, I just said I forgot my lunch or lost it.

As things got worse, I stopped asking my friends over to play and I stopped going to their houses very much. Worrying if Mom was going to be home for dinner and then, worrying what I would find to cook for my brother if I could find him. I was eleven and he was six.

Shortly after, there was no money for so many things but I remember my mom telling me, there was none for clothes. We had a sewing machine, though, so, I learned how to sew and used to walk to the discount store and look for the cheapest fabric I could find to make my school clothes. That's some nerve, when you think about it. What kid thinks she can fake buying her clothes at Sears or Penney's hoping no one will notice enough to mention it? Maybe "delusional" is a better descriptor. I don't remember what my brother did for clothes except he always looked untidy, he needed a hair cut and his clothes were too small. But the point is, kids will try to find a way to solve the problem. They're little problem solving machines. And, if anyone asked me, I just told them I was learning to sew and in our suburb, that was like saying you were learning Gregorian chants. There was no reaction because no one could imagine what you meant. And no reaction was exactly what I wanted. I just needed to be able to go to school because going to school meant keeping connected to my friends and to my teachers and to some hope that change was possible.

I don't remember going to a doctor or to a dentist. My mom used to tell us we were fine when we got hurt because she was terrified of having no money for a doctor. That's just the way things were for a few years. My brother and I are lucky nothing really bad happened to us during that time. It's hard to believe that many families don't go through those times.

I loved school. It was a paradise for someone like me. There were capable adults all over the place. Books, clean rooms, stuff that people talked about that had nothing at all to do with the home I was living in. But, it was also full of potentially awful moments like when we were asked to buy Junior Scholastic books and magazines or, to bring treats or, to buy special clothes for events or to order class pictures or even, to bring Valentine's Day cards or Christmas cards or to put in money to buy our teacher a cake for her birthday. My teachers were the best people I've ever met. I don't know how much they guessed or knew because they never made me feel badly and only on a couple of occasions did any of them approach this thing that I was even hiding from myself at ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen. But the school had a culture and it probably worked just fine for most kids. And for those of us just hanging on in the periphery, it was something to look forward to more days than it was something to dread.

But, I can't help thinking that the inequities keep us back 'way into the future when it's so needless -- even just the little ones that a school could mitigate. Those kids like me that try to make our poverty invisible often wind up making all of ourselves invisible and that's no way to excel at school. That's no way to inspire a counselor to help you make it to college or even to provide you with a transcript you might need to get a job. That's no way to prepare to face life after school when you have no homeroom teacher that knows your name. It's exactly the opposite of networking, of reaching out to the world and saying,"Here I am, whaddaya got?" as our kids should be able to do as their birthright in this country.

This whole cheese sandwich thing makes me wonder how many times Bill Clinton or Barack Obama hung back or didn't press forward because their mom was poor. They did fine, finally. But most kids aren't Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama weren't Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. They were just kids who needed lunch just like everybody else. We should be able to give them that damn lunch and not burden them with this whole other job of concealing their poverty into the bargain.

You never know who those cheese sandwich eating kids will turn out to be given half a chance. :)










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  Parents angry that school feeds kids cheese sandwiches if parents don't pay lunch bill proud2Blib  Jan-27-09 06:02 PM   #0 
   Aaaand...they want the kids to have what, exactly? Peanut butter would be a veggie option, I s'pose.  ogneopasno   Jan-27-09 06:04 PM   #1 
   Peanut butter is giving folks salmonella  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:06 PM   #4 
   Yeah, I know; I'm just wondering what they think is wrong with the cheese sandwich.  ogneopasno   Jan-27-09 06:13 PM   #14 
   It makes their kids stand out  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:21 PM   #21 
      Huh. Something like that isn't something to be embarrassed about in my district,  ogneopasno   Jan-27-09 06:24 PM   #25 
         "Too poor to live? Free PB&J." wtf is wrong with you?  uppityperson   Jan-28-09 02:05 PM   #140 
   Plus many schools are now peanut free due to severe allergies  GloriaSmith   Jan-27-09 06:14 PM   #15 
   It isn't PB that is giving people salmonella, it is the PB mix into crackers,  Ilsa   Jan-28-09 08:38 PM   #244 
   Peanut allergies mean that Peanut Butter is often banned in schools.  MillieJo   Jan-29-09 09:38 AM   #255 
   Not with all the peanut allergies there are.  AngryOldDem   Jan-29-09 10:29 AM   #259 
   Denny's gets 3 bucks for one.  ferrous wheel   Jan-27-09 06:05 PM   #2 
   It was peanut butter and jelly at our elementary school if you didn't have the money.  vanderBeth   Jan-27-09 06:05 PM   #3 
   I have bought more school lunches than I care to count over the years  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:07 PM   #5 
      ...  vanderBeth   Jan-27-09 06:18 PM   #18 
   i am all for it and say a thank you the times my kids have gotten that cheese sandwich.  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:07 PM   #6 
   I'll bet getting a cheese sandwich helps them remember to tell you they need lunch money  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:09 PM   #7 
   lol lol yup. right on. lol. n/t  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:14 PM   #16 
   Exactly what I was thinking.  bunnies   Jan-27-09 06:12 PM   #12 
   that is what i was thinking..... at least the kid isnt going without food. n/t  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:15 PM   #17 
   As opposed to giving them a hot lunch and a note sent to parent.  uppityperson   Jan-28-09 02:09 PM   #141 
      They give the kids hot meals for a while  Ms. Toad   Jan-29-09 09:49 AM   #257 
   I'd have to agree  JackintheGreen   Jan-27-09 06:25 PM   #28 
      And what do I eat for lunch? Cheese sandwiches.... lol lol  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:28 PM   #30 
         I was actually planning to go home and have one right now - I sure wish it was free!  petronius   Jan-27-09 07:31 PM   #84 
            parents need to teach there's no mocking those in need and why, and as you said - I like cheese  Divine Discontent   Jan-27-09 11:56 PM   #123 
               I grew up on free school lunches...  awoke_in_2003   Jan-28-09 06:06 PM   #229 
   Do they even serve peanut butter at schools anymore?  LisaM   Jan-27-09 06:10 PM   #8 
   Ours serves PB&J if you forget your lunch or don't have money for a hot lunch.  ogneopasno   Jan-27-09 06:12 PM   #10 
   Ours switched to sunflower seed butter.  kas125   Jan-27-09 07:10 PM   #79 
   That sounds good...  awoke_in_2003   Jan-28-09 06:08 PM   #231 
      I haven't made it myself, but I have bought it at Meijer and it is good!  kas125   Jan-28-09 09:31 PM   #245 
   Many aren't...  awoke_in_2003   Jan-28-09 06:07 PM   #230 
   I think it's a damned good policy. nt  rateyes   Jan-27-09 06:12 PM   #9 
   That stigma also teaches kids  Warpy   Jan-27-09 06:12 PM   #11 
   Shaming children teaches them to avoid shame and that's about it.  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 06:22 PM   #22 
   Exactly.  thecatburgler   Jan-27-09 06:25 PM   #26 
   Should I forward you the address where you can send a check?  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:30 PM   #33 
      Understood, but why punish the kids? nt  thecatburgler   Jan-27-09 06:44 PM   #56 
      Any better ideas?  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:47 PM   #60 
         Thin out administration...  awoke_in_2003   Jan-28-09 06:13 PM   #233 
      Contact the parents directly. It works here.  uppityperson   Jan-28-09 02:13 PM   #144 
   It's better than not feeding them at all  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:26 PM   #29 
   Yes, it is. But it's in no way a "character builder".  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 06:31 PM   #35 
      well... with both my kids, not a lot of empathy on my part when they dont do their  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:35 PM   #38 
      The knowledge that you made a mistake (I didn't ask Mom for lunch money)  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 06:38 PM   #45 
         yet dressing kids in cardboard box of sandwich or milk isnt stigmatizing the children  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:48 PM   #61 
            Some adults are not good parents. And some policy makers  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 06:51 PM   #66 
      I am not calling it that  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:41 PM   #50 
         Omg, I hear you.  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 06:45 PM   #58 
   Toxic?  philk17088   Jan-27-09 06:30 PM   #34 
   Maybe you need to do some reading on what shame does to children  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 06:33 PM   #36 
   where is the shame?  philk17088   Jan-27-09 07:02 PM   #75 
   I was responding to this post:  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 07:04 PM   #77 
   The shame is when the kids who owe money are given a DIFFERENT lunch  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 08:54 PM   #109 
   Something Tells Me  NashVegas   Jan-28-09 08:48 AM   #128 
      Right. It could be a great tool for that.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 02:11 PM   #142 
         Tough Call  NashVegas   Jan-29-09 08:57 AM   #252 
   Did you go to the Oakland public schools?  XemaSab   Jan-27-09 06:55 PM   #71 
      What was that about?  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 07:00 PM   #74 
         It was a JOKE  XemaSab   Jan-27-09 07:52 PM   #90 
         And to think all those years, I felt jealous of kids that had school food!  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 08:13 PM   #99 
         Bringing back memories for me  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 09:02 PM   #110 
            LOL!  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 02:28 PM   #147 
   It's humiliating. Kids can be down right mean to one another. There's  snappyturtle   Jan-27-09 06:39 PM   #48 
   After 8 years of Bush, our schools are hurting.  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 06:43 PM   #55 
      Good point! I hope those in charge know the reason the lunches aren't  snappyturtle   Jan-27-09 06:52 PM   # 
   Those kids were also being fed  Warpy   Jan-27-09 08:33 PM   #104 
   I wonder how many kids just skip it to avoid the stigma?  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 02:53 PM   #154 
      Done that myself back in the day  suffragette   Jan-28-09 05:14 PM   #214 
   God THANK YOU. Someone with a brain showed up.  Political Heretic   Jan-28-09 08:52 AM   #129 
      I haven't read anything on this topic in 20 years but, yeah, it's true. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 02:55 PM   #155 
   but ....  Caliman73   Jan-27-09 06:24 PM   #23 
   Stigmatizing children doesn't teach them anything they can use.  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 06:34 PM   #37 
      The point is not to stigmatize children  Caliman73   Jan-27-09 07:44 PM   #89 
         Yes, the point is to stimatize children as a way to force their parents  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 03:00 PM   #156 
   Thank you for your common sense.  ChazII   Jan-27-09 10:03 PM   #120 
   Lunch room stigma was fun.  Gormy Cuss   Jan-28-09 11:51 AM   #136 
   LOL! Isn't it amazing? We were already "foreign" so it was pretty hard  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 03:02 PM   #157 
   Junior high school kids are vicious animals  Warpy   Jan-28-09 03:35 PM   #176 
      That's true. It's too bad that the parents can't be shamed at work instead. n/t  Gormy Cuss   Jan-28-09 05:21 PM   #219 
   It also teaches the kids of the "respectable people" who they shouldn't socialize with  Radical Activist   Jan-28-09 03:11 PM   #162 
      You bet. Poor kids get marked out AND disappeared at the same time.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 03:17 PM   #166 
      Yes. And for the rest of the school day  Radical Activist   Jan-28-09 03:25 PM   #170 
      Possibly  Warpy   Jan-28-09 03:38 PM   #178 
   The same thing was happening in Edmonds School District north of Seattle  JulieRB   Jan-27-09 06:13 PM   #13 
   There is a federal program that pays for 100% of your school lunches  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:24 PM   #24 
      They may not qualify. It's possible these are people who just  Critters2   Jan-27-09 06:29 PM   #31 
         From what I understand of the program,  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:35 PM   #39 
   I agree that it stigmatizes kids  gratuitous   Jan-27-09 06:19 PM   #19 
   little Marblehead  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:36 PM   #42 
   I can't think of a year when I didn't need to make some kind of arrangement  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 03:07 PM   #159 
   All kids should be provided lunch at school.  Lex   Jan-27-09 06:21 PM   #20 
   I agree  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:37 PM   #43 
   yep!  kid a   Jan-28-09 02:04 PM   #139 
   I grew up in Canada  wolfgangmo   Jan-28-09 05:17 PM   #215 
   I like cheese sandwhiches...  Shiver   Jan-27-09 06:25 PM   #27 
   me too! A favorite in our house...  Fireweed247   Jan-27-09 06:49 PM   #62 
      this is what i am thinking. parent yells humiliation. then make a sandwich or make sure kid  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:52 PM   #67 
         ya!  Fireweed247   Jan-27-09 07:24 PM   #81 
            you know.... and i tell ya, if my parents didnt pay the bill, and i really felt shame  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 07:27 PM   #82 
   There were quite a few times I forgot to tell my mom  tammywammy   Jan-27-09 06:30 PM   #32 
   I just feel so sorry  4 t 4   Jan-27-09 06:41 PM   #49 
      Kids whose parents can't afford lunch can apply for free lunch  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:43 PM   #53 
      c'mon folks  philk17088   Jan-27-09 07:55 PM   #92 
      Time to get responsible people.  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 08:23 PM   #100 
      You bet what happens to kids at school is the school's responsibility.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 05:48 PM   #228 
      If they cannot afford lunch, then the parents can apply for the free lunch program  tammywammy   Jan-27-09 08:03 PM   #95 
   Times sure do change  Southpaw07   Jan-27-09 06:36 PM   #40 
   If I was your teacher, I would have paid for your lunch  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:38 PM   #46 
   i had a teacher share her lunch with my son once. so sweet. n/t  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:41 PM   #51 
   Hey I draw the line there  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:44 PM   #57 
      lol, i hear ya. this was a 6th grade math teacher of sons.  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:51 PM   #65 
         Thanks - I love hearing those stories.  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:53 PM   #70 
         i have tons. i love my teachers and kids have had so many. you guys are.... simply  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:58 PM   #72 
            Parents like you make it so much easier  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 09:03 PM   #112 
         What a great story. One of my teachers kept me sane (or, sort of!)  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 07:31 PM   #83 
            i had mine too. hear i am 47 and still thankful for one teacher in particular  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 07:43 PM   #88 
   Thanks.  Southpaw07   Jan-27-09 06:43 PM   #54 
      You wouldn't have had to say anything  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:50 PM   #63 
   us too. generally our friends chipped in some of their food. n/t  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:38 PM   #47 
   at my school, people who had food they didn't want would leave it on a table up fron  Coexist   Jan-27-09 07:34 PM   #85 
   My kids school STILL doesn't feed you lunch if you have no $$  Xithras   Jan-28-09 04:56 PM   #205 
   Back when I taught school  Mz Pip   Jan-27-09 06:36 PM   #41 
   i've seen that at every level of school, including college  Blue_Tires   Jan-28-09 02:21 PM   #145 
   Sounds Like A Perfectly Sound, Fair And Logical Policy.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-27-09 06:37 PM   #44 
   Of course you don't  JulieRB   Jan-27-09 09:38 PM   #117 
   Our schools have been doing that for YEARS with PB&J sandwiches -  lynne   Jan-27-09 06:42 PM   #52 
   Don't kids bring their lunches to school anymore?  Fireweed247   Jan-27-09 06:46 PM   #59 
   I noticed a lot of kids who bring sack lunches...  cherish44   Jan-27-09 07:03 PM   #76 
   My son does. Otherwise, he would not eat anything. Given he has 25 mn for lunch, he would not even  Mass   Jan-27-09 07:13 PM   #80 
   I remember school food being horrible.  alarimer   Jan-27-09 09:19 PM   #115 
   When I was in High School, I paid $0.75  GirlinContempt   Jan-29-09 02:17 AM   #251 
   Public school runs candy sale. Profits help kids pay for school lunches.  Bozita   Jan-27-09 06:50 PM   #64 
   Our district tried to make us do this  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 06:52 PM   #68 
      Did you post about that because I think I remember it.  sfexpat2000   Jan-27-09 07:07 PM   #78 
         Probably did post about it  proud2Blib   Jan-27-09 08:49 PM   #108 
   So, can I get a free grilled cheese at this school?  NeedleCast   Jan-27-09 06:53 PM   #69 
   couple slices of white bread and a slice of cheese inside.... lol. n/t  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 06:59 PM   #73 
   I love cheese sandwiches  ozu   Jan-27-09 07:35 PM   #86 
   I don't know why parents are surprised by this  gollygee   Jan-27-09 07:41 PM   #87 
   wtf is wrng with cheese sammiches? I eat them regularly.  aikoaiko   Jan-27-09 07:54 PM   #91 
   Sandwich, apple and milk at my son's school. n/t  cynatnite   Jan-27-09 07:56 PM   #93 
   I find this a disgusting policy very in line ith RW thinking  Stinky The Clown   Jan-27-09 07:59 PM   #94 
   teased.  philk17088   Jan-27-09 08:04 PM   #96 
   my son gets teased for getting good grades and being smart. go figure. n/t  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 08:28 PM   #102 
   i jsut asked son... did he ever get teased eating a cheese sandwich. NO...  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 08:27 PM   #101 
   Your post made me laugh  rvablue   Jan-28-09 06:14 PM   #234 
   I don't know Stinky  Coexist   Jan-27-09 08:33 PM   #105 
   The alternative, though, is to lay off teachers.  noamnety   Jan-27-09 11:12 PM   #121 
   I totally agree with you. I felt their pain before I retired. I often paid for their lunch.  madfloridian   Jan-27-09 11:51 PM   #122 
   this is what i dont get. the lunch and breakfast... breakfast program is generous.  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 07:57 AM   #124 
      I don't like the assumption that parents could pay and chose not to.  madfloridian   Jan-28-09 01:04 PM   #137 
         That's not really the vibe I'm getting, although I'm sure there are some (meaning  petronius   Jan-28-09 02:43 PM   #151 
            When you think about it, taking out the expense of feeding a kid during a school day  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 04:59 PM   #207 
               I don't disagree with that, and if it came up for a vote I'd support it  petronius   Jan-28-09 07:14 PM   #240 
                  They are stuck. The thing is, putting kids in the middle of an adult conflict  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 07:24 PM   #241 
                     That's where we seem to disagree a bit. Assuming that the school is in fact  petronius   Jan-28-09 08:14 PM   #242 
                     And what way would that be?  Caliman73   Jan-28-09 10:08 PM   #247 
                        Are you asking why adults should keep children out of their conflicts?  sfexpat2000   Jan-29-09 12:56 AM   #250 
   I would see it worse if they didn't feed the children anything. That would  madinmaryland   Jan-28-09 02:12 PM   #143 
   How many hot lunches could Thain pay for  callchet   Jan-27-09 08:07 PM   #97 
   They have to exceed 10 unpaid lunches in elementary?  OurVotesCount-Ohio   Jan-27-09 08:11 PM   #98 
   our money carries over to new year and carries from school to school. n/t  seabeyond   Jan-27-09 08:29 PM   #103 
   Maybe ours will too with this new system.  OurVotesCount-Ohio   Jan-27-09 09:03 PM   #111 
   free and reduced lunches do help out and with the 'debit card' system now  Coexist   Jan-27-09 08:34 PM   #106 
      I'm glad to hear that.  OurVotesCount-Ohio   Jan-27-09 09:08 PM   #113 
   There's nothing wrong with cheese sandwiches.  Catherine Vincent   Jan-27-09 08:41 PM   #107 
   at my kids high school  carlyhippy   Jan-27-09 09:10 PM   #114 
   we simply must not  marketcrazy1   Jan-27-09 09:43 PM   #118 
      Thank you Mr Limbaugh n/t  Ex Lurker   Jan-27-09 09:48 PM   #119 
   Our elementary school also does this.  onetiredmom   Jan-27-09 09:27 PM   #116 
   I wonder how many kids want to crawl under their desks when  Vinca   Jan-28-09 08:13 AM   #125 
   i want to see what i am missing here.  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 08:24 AM   #126 
   Apparently it isn't a big deal at my daughter's school  gollygee   Jan-28-09 08:30 AM   #127 
   So if Junior keeps "forgetting" to tell Mom & Dad he needs money for lunch  WolverineDG   Jan-28-09 08:59 AM   #130 
   I get a note sent home to me from the school if her lunch account is low or has a negative balance  gollygee   Jan-28-09 10:31 AM   #131 
      the day before christmas vacation i was told son out of money. forgot to pay last day  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 10:46 AM   #133 
      so do I.  Coexist   Jan-28-09 03:10 PM   #161 
         This thread is cracking me up.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 03:26 PM   #171 
         according to my little sample, there is no 'side of shame' involved.  Coexist   Jan-28-09 03:35 PM   #175 
         mine says the same. i will ask a couple of the boys that i have coming home with sons.  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 03:39 PM   #179 
         What did you expect them to report to you?  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 03:39 PM   #180 
            the truth. why would they lie?  Coexist   Jan-28-09 03:40 PM   #181 
            It's not a matter of lying. I bet you that of all my classmates  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 03:47 PM   #186 
               my 9yo went on a long discussion about how when he got the cheese  Coexist   Jan-28-09 03:51 PM   #188 
                  Your experience / my opinion.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 04:11 PM   #195 
                     i think  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 05:11 PM   #211 
                        My "day" wasn't over until the late 80s when my own children were out of school  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 05:19 PM   #217 
            seriously? i have heard every slight committed to any kid. my kids talk continually  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 03:53 PM   #189 
               LOL! Sounds like you have a future social worker or psychologist  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 04:15 PM   #200 
                  he had to take a career class in the semester. that is where he falls into.  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 05:04 PM   #209 
         the kids that are going ot feel bad about being poor in our school are already on a lunch program  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 03:36 PM   #177 
         How do you know kids that feel bad are already in a lunch program?  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 03:42 PM   #182 
            only 6k. i would expect more. the program is well advertised and used  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 05:00 PM   #208 
         I think the way the school handles it makes a lot of difference  proud2Blib   Jan-28-09 05:12 PM   #212 
            Yep. Agreed. I can't help thinking that if Hugo Chavez can give kids two hot ones  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 05:22 PM   #221 
         all us parents that have kids in system and ask the kids all get same answer  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 03:29 PM   #172 
   My wife was a "lunch lady" for a few years.  ipfilter   Jan-28-09 10:40 AM   #132 
   So I gather taking your lunch makes you the class outcast?  SmileyRose   Jan-28-09 10:53 AM   #134 
   That's too much work, apparently  WolverineDG   Jan-28-09 11:15 AM   #135 
   Uh-oh. I failed my daughter.  Ms. Toad   Jan-29-09 09:09 AM   #253 
   It began as a punitive measure over 10 years ago... the kids are the victims.  madfloridian   Jan-28-09 01:48 PM   #138 
   I think it is awful what they are doing to these children -  Azlady   Jan-28-09 02:21 PM   #146 
   for starters, the parents that dressed their kids up in cardboard are dicks  Blue_Tires   Jan-28-09 02:29 PM   #148 
   Whats wrong with cheese sandwiches?  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-28-09 02:34 PM   #149 
   Apparently it makes you "stand out"  vanderBeth   Jan-28-09 02:38 PM   #150 
      My guess is if you had been teased for that sandwich, you'd know for sure.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 02:46 PM   #152 
         do you know that they are being teased? there are a handful of parents whose kids  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 03:42 PM   #183 
            I've read your posts on bullying and know you feel strongly about it.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 04:04 PM   #191 
               Thank you sfexpat2000 for your post & explaining bullying,  Azlady   Jan-28-09 11:46 PM   #248 
   Let's hope Obama gets his regional food network platform through  Recursion   Jan-28-09 02:47 PM   #153 
   Hey Kids! Here's some public humiliation to go along with your poverty!  Radical Activist   Jan-28-09 03:05 PM   #158 
   how about...  ozu   Jan-28-09 03:09 PM   #160 
   Hey kids, we spend billions on useless crap and blowing up people  Radical Activist   Jan-28-09 03:13 PM   #164 
   What's a real lunch?  ozu   Jan-28-09 03:17 PM   #165 
      PBJ has more nutritional value.  Radical Activist   Jan-28-09 03:23 PM   #168 
         Actually, they are about the same.  Ms. Toad   Jan-29-09 09:39 AM   #256 
   You're such a humanitarian!  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 03:19 PM   #167 
   This whole thread has me livid RA. I'm ashamed of these people.  originalpckelly   Jan-28-09 03:44 PM   #184 
   I got nothing... so I guess a cheese sandwich is an improvement  ecstatic   Jan-28-09 03:12 PM   #163 
   Garnish the parent(s) wages, don't humiliate the kids.  uppityperson   Jan-28-09 03:23 PM   #169 
   Put it on their state tax bill. Couldn't that be done?  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 03:30 PM   #173 
   Rather like unpaid child support? Some states don't have state taxes, but yes.  uppityperson   Jan-28-09 03:34 PM   #174 
      The problem is, our schools system has been under attack / on the way to privatization for years.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 04:56 PM   #206 
   Do you understand what is involved in garnishing wages?  proud2Blib   Jan-28-09 05:18 PM   #216 
      It wouldn't be practical. You'd be farther ahead to just rob people  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 05:44 PM   #227 
   It's nice that children are learning early to run up excessive debt.  flvegan   Jan-28-09 03:45 PM   #185 
   This is stupid  supernova   Jan-28-09 03:51 PM   #187 
   From what I'm reading here,  madinmaryland   Jan-28-09 03:56 PM   #190 
   That's what I don't get  supernova   Jan-28-09 04:07 PM   #193 
   Do you have kids? Kids are not like cars. You don't just gas them up  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 04:06 PM   #192 
      Over react much?  supernova   Jan-28-09 04:11 PM   #196 
         No, I don't overreact much at all.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 04:14 PM   #199 
   It's not about a cheese sandwich. It started as a punitive measure.  madfloridian   Jan-28-09 04:11 PM   #194 
   Now that I can understand  supernova   Jan-28-09 04:14 PM   #198 
   and WHY were those two kids not on a free lunch program? n/t  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 05:20 PM   #218 
      Some were too proud to apply.  madfloridian   Jan-28-09 05:21 PM   #220 
         no i have not. i have not seen that as a reason to this point.  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 05:34 PM   #225 
         do you know what really really concerns me every year. a parent having to spend 60, 70 dollars  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 06:35 PM   #238 
   Why not withhold grades if unpaid?  missingthebigdog   Jan-28-09 04:13 PM   #197 
   Are report cards mailed these days?  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 04:18 PM   #202 
   if a parent is not willing to spend ten dollars on bread and lunch stuff that would last two weeks  seabeyond   Jan-28-09 05:29 PM   #223 
      There's all kinds of parents besides bad parents that might have trouble with this.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 05:34 PM   #224 
   That's against the law  proud2Blib   Jan-28-09 05:24 PM   #222 
      Are you sure? Cal withheld grades all the time from us poor grads  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 05:38 PM   #226 
         Yes I am sure  proud2Blib   Jan-28-09 06:20 PM   #236 
   #1 The kids do get fed. #2 The entire system needs subsidies, overhaul, & kitchens...  Hekate   Jan-28-09 04:17 PM   #201 
   But, that's the point. If ALL the kids did it, there's no problem. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 04:19 PM   #203 
      I know. Overhaul and the money to do it is key. This country SAYS it values kids and education...  Hekate   Jan-28-09 06:31 PM   #237 
   I don't see what the big deal is with cheese sandwiches.  pleah   Jan-28-09 04:22 PM   #204 
   School budgets should just include lunch.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 05:13 PM   #213 
      In our state,  Ms. Toad   Jan-29-09 09:22 AM   #254 
      At the district in question, here is the cost  Ms. Toad   Jan-29-09 10:27 AM   #258 
      We have to move out of the mindset that throws billions of dollars at Wall Street  sfexpat2000   Jan-29-09 02:52 PM   #262 
      ???????????  philk17088   Jan-29-09 02:36 PM   #261 
         Yes, they do. The responsible thing to do is to feed lunch to children  sfexpat2000   Jan-29-09 02:55 PM   #263 
   This is seriously the longest thread about cheese sandwhiches ever.  rcrush   Jan-28-09 05:10 PM   #210 
   It's amazing.....here, I'm going to help make it even longer  rvablue   Jan-28-09 06:19 PM   #235 
   .  Starry Messenger   Jan-28-09 06:11 PM   #232 
   I think poor kids should get Oscars or some kind of academic credit for mastering invisibility.  sfexpat2000   Jan-28-09 06:51 PM   #239 
   point of order - this doesn't penalize poor kids.  ulysses   Jan-28-09 08:34 PM   #243 
   At some of the Chicago Public Schools kids get  GinaMaria   Jan-28-09 10:00 PM   #246 
   I think the aim of this is good but maybe not the way it is done  Hippo_Tron   Jan-29-09 12:19 AM   #249 
   My school had peanut butter sandwiches for teh kids  PBS Poll-435   Jan-29-09 02:03 PM   #260 
 

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