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Blue Dog Dominion Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:01 PM
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33. Have any of you ever had to worry about making a payroll?
Knowing that your employees and their family is couting on that paycheck to put food on the table will cause you many a sleepless night when times are tough. For most its agonizing to have to let someone go because you can't afford to pay them.

While both letters are full of hyperbole, most business owners CARE about their employees. Especially small buisness.

You know, it doesn't hurt for employees to know what sort of expenses it costs to run a business. One of the biggest con jobs our government ever did was to impose a "hidden" tax on workers via payroll taxes. I'd love it for an employee to see all the taxes and fees (lets not even count benefits) that are being paid to government(s) on their behalf. The pitchforks would come out!
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  -An AWESOME Response To A Conservative Mass Email(!) ihavenobias  Jan-27-09 02:40 PM   #0 
  - [STANDING OVATION]  BrklynLiberal   Jan-27-09 02:43 PM   #1 
  - Have any of you ever had to worry about making a payroll?  Blue Dog Dominion   Jan-27-09 05:01 PM   #33 
     - Oh, what a wonderful company that would be, one that kept the books open for any employee who wanted  ogneopasno   Jan-27-09 05:09 PM   #36 
     - This email is propaganda written by one of the "think tank"  rfranklin   Jan-27-09 06:09 PM   #42 
        - Yes, you are correct.  Enthusiast   Jan-28-09 04:31 AM   #107 
        - Yea, my take,too. The greedies are playing us again.  The Wielding Truth   Jan-28-09 08:39 AM   #127 
        - Of course it is...  sendero   Jan-29-09 07:54 AM   #189 
     - Agreed. Both letter writers make good points, and both are full of self-righteous bullshit.  nosillies   Jan-27-09 06:02 PM   #40 
     - I know  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-27-09 06:25 PM   #45 
     - See, rich doesn't automatically equal evil/uncaring/etc...  BreweryYardRat   Jan-27-09 08:05 PM   #56 
     - One of the great misconceptions, all Republicans are rich, all Democrats are poor.  EmeraldCityGrl   Jan-27-09 08:57 PM   #63 
     - I have no such misconception. nt  Enthusiast   Jan-28-09 04:32 AM   #108 
     - Yeah, that last line of yours wasn't self-righteous at all. /nt  October   Jan-27-09 09:01 PM   #64 
     - You're right, it wasn't. It was factual.  nosillies   Jan-28-09 07:55 PM   #182 
     - As someone that has worked for the types of people in the letter  Confusious   Jan-27-09 09:32 PM   #67 
     - I am with you on this one.  Lucky Luciano   Jan-27-09 09:41 PM   #69 
     - Congratulations on lucking into a great dad.  Plucketeer   Jan-27-09 10:30 PM   #80 
     - It has nothing to do with a big house and nice cars  Wetzelbill   Jan-27-09 11:37 PM   #89 
     - Your dad and Henry Ford are, unfortunately, not typical  eridani   Jan-28-09 04:00 AM   #105 
     - I could be wrong but...  wolfgangmo   Jan-28-09 05:46 AM   #111 
     - I am not so sure.  Pacifist Patriot   Jan-28-09 06:57 AM   #119 
     - i think you are misunderstanding the OP's response.  ejpoeta   Jan-28-09 06:16 AM   #114 
     - Oh please  gaspee   Jan-27-09 06:48 PM   #50 
     - Business income taxes are paid on PROFITS ... that's AFTER deducting the expense of a payroll.  TahitiNut   Jan-27-09 08:00 PM   #55 
     - Open up a lemonaide stand and see how long you stay in business n/t  Blue Dog Dominion   Jan-27-09 09:24 PM   #66 
     - You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.  TahitiNut   Jan-27-09 09:43 PM   #71 
     - Thats ridiculous logic  Blue Dog Dominion   Jan-27-09 10:13 PM   #75 
     - Well ... it describes Microsoft ... and the numbers were not "pulled out of the ether."  TahitiNut   Jan-27-09 10:56 PM   #84 
        - What he said vvvv  Blue Dog Dominion   Jan-28-09 12:26 AM   #95 
     - Exactly Right.  aintitfunny   Jan-28-09 07:39 AM   #123 
     - wow you are catastrophically ignorant nt  Wetzelbill   Jan-27-09 11:40 PM   #90 
     - Ignorantly spoken like a true neo-feudalist  Raineyb   Jan-28-09 01:29 PM   #169 
     - Word!  justaregularperson   Jan-28-09 12:58 AM   #97 
     - Yes, that's what most people don't know unless they've actually run a business  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-28-09 12:35 PM   #160 
     - This is true...  MadMaddie   Jan-27-09 08:15 PM   #59 
     - Most small and mid size business owners that I know...  wolfgangmo   Jan-28-09 05:52 AM   #112 
     - Well, it might harm the employers' own personal investments to  valerief   Jan-28-09 11:43 AM   #153 
     - My sister does  zipplewrath   Jan-27-09 08:37 PM   #60 
     - Often, this is because of unrealistic shareholder demands  Common Sense Party   Jan-28-09 01:42 AM   #100 
     - The first letter does more to reinforce the stereotype of the self-absorbed small businessman...  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-27-09 10:37 PM   #82 
     - I've had both perspectives  SteelPenguin   Jan-27-09 10:44 PM   #83 
     - You know the employee "taxes" you speak of are there really to protect the  WCGreen   Jan-28-09 03:37 AM   #104 
     - Those taxes are hidden if people don't know they are there  Blue Dog Dominion   Jan-28-09 06:19 AM   #116 
        - My point is the empoyer knows of these expenses. It's not like they  WCGreen   Jan-28-09 07:11 AM   #121 
        - I was talking about the employee  Blue Dog Dominion   Jan-28-09 07:32 AM   #122 
           - His ROI ?!?  Senator   Jan-28-09 10:31 AM   #141 
        - So if you didn't have to pay those 'hidden taxes' you'd pass them on to your employees?  thecatburgler   Jan-28-09 10:36 AM   #143 
           - Supply and Demand  Blue Dog Dominion   Jan-28-09 11:07 AM   #148 
              - Uh huh.  thecatburgler   Jan-28-09 11:16 AM   #149 
     - You mean like Social Security?  Enthusiast   Jan-28-09 04:29 AM   #106 
     - Hidden?  ProfessorGAC   Jan-28-09 05:12 AM   #110 
     - those payroll taxes...  Delver Rootnose   Jan-28-09 09:16 AM   #131 
     - Yes, I've had to worry about making payroll  jeff47   Jan-28-09 09:16 AM   #132 
     - Especially small business.  aquart   Jan-28-09 10:17 AM   #139 
     - Would you write an email like the first one?  thecatburgler   Jan-28-09 10:32 AM   #142 
     - howzabout this  kenfrequed   Jan-28-09 10:49 AM   #145 
        - And obviously...  kenfrequed   Jan-28-09 03:58 PM   #177 
  - K & R!!!  CherylK   Jan-27-09 02:51 PM   #2 
  - YEAH!!!!!!!!!  helderheid   Jan-27-09 02:52 PM   #3 
  - Off to the Greatest with you!  BR_Parkway   Jan-27-09 02:52 PM   #4 
  - BRAVO! And a big fat K & R.  chill_wind   Jan-27-09 02:53 PM   #5 
  - Thanks, I think it's on its way.  ihavenobias   Jan-27-09 04:16 PM   #26 
     - Excellent! :-) n/t  chill_wind   Jan-27-09 08:07 PM   #57 
  - The poor baby, driving last year's Mercedes!  gratuitous   Jan-27-09 02:53 PM   #6 
  - k&r  radfringe   Jan-27-09 02:54 PM   #7 
  - It's not patriotic to go against the Commander in Chief in a time of war  bluestateguy   Jan-27-09 02:55 PM   #8 
  - K&R. Very good.  20score   Jan-27-09 03:04 PM   #9 
  - Wow!  Lugnut   Jan-27-09 03:07 PM   #10 
  - that one earns a big K&R from me.  FLAprogressive   Jan-27-09 03:10 PM   #11 
  - I hope whoever wrote the response delivered it with  rateyes   Jan-27-09 03:14 PM   #12 
  - BEAUTIFUL!  Mad_Dem_X   Jan-27-09 03:14 PM   #13 
  - An outstanding post.. K & R... I just hope  Still Sensible   Jan-27-09 03:14 PM   #14 
  - Good one!  treestar   Jan-27-09 03:16 PM   #15 
  - K&R.  seawolf   Jan-27-09 03:18 PM   #16 
  - Putz!  progressoid   Jan-27-09 03:20 PM   #17 
  - This made my day. Thanks.  Riley18   Jan-27-09 03:20 PM   #18 
  - And of course, if "he" hadn't paid the 288 thou in taxes he would have:  n2doc   Jan-27-09 03:27 PM   #19 
  - Thank you  kenichol   Jan-28-09 09:15 AM   #130 
  - I don't think I got it correct...  Delver Rootnose   Jan-28-09 09:30 AM   #134 
  - Maybe you're thinking of this one:  bperci108   Jan-28-09 12:19 PM   #156 
  - sorry for dup post.  Delver Rootnose   Jan-28-09 09:32 AM   #135 
  - Awesome!! n/t  Robbie88   Jan-27-09 03:29 PM   #20 
  - Good reality check!  8_year_nightmare   Jan-27-09 03:34 PM   #21 
  - one word -  mbee   Jan-27-09 03:49 PM   #22 
  - f-ing brilliant!!!!! n/t  8 track mind   Jan-27-09 03:49 PM   #23 
  - Super response  malaise   Jan-27-09 03:59 PM   #24 
  - the response about the quarterly withholdings is just plain wrong  unblock   Jan-27-09 04:10 PM   #25 
  - please please tell me where I can make 3 mil in net income/profit with only 14 employees !-  bj2110   Jan-27-09 09:47 PM   #72 
     - niche software, specialty finance, etc.  unblock   Jan-27-09 11:07 PM   #85 
  - K&R Oh, burn!  pleah   Jan-27-09 04:26 PM   #27 
  - One of my favorites that the greedy business owners do is  mbee   Jan-27-09 04:31 PM   #28 
  - "if you would rather cry in your Dom about how abused YOU are because you can only have steak  Number23   Jan-27-09 04:36 PM   #29 
  - Can someone say "Greatest"??? This dog can.  infidel dog   Jan-27-09 04:43 PM   #30 
  - Can't reccomend enough  Chulanowa   Jan-27-09 04:48 PM   #31 
  - Whines about all the taxes he pays yet.....  louis-t   Jan-27-09 04:59 PM   #32 
  - Simply the most DUzy worth op I have ever read.  Seldona   Jan-27-09 05:04 PM   #34 
  - Hear, Hear!  OhioChick   Jan-27-09 05:09 PM   #35 
  - His employees should turn that "big house" into a pyre  mitchum   Jan-27-09 05:19 PM   #37 
  - Bravo!  democrank   Jan-27-09 05:20 PM   #38 
  - Perfect! K&R nt  snappyturtle   Jan-27-09 05:23 PM   #39 
  - Beautiful /nt  LiberalPersona   Jan-27-09 06:03 PM   #41 
  - As a small-business owner my opinion is that BOTH letters are over-the-top and  bertman   Jan-27-09 06:17 PM   #43 
  - I refer you to Rule Number One of the Intertubes  thecatburgler   Jan-28-09 01:16 AM   #99 
     - Thanks catburgler, but don't forget Rule Number One A.: When gross generalizations  bertman   Jan-28-09 07:41 AM   #124 
        - oh, thanks for helping us poor ignorant fools who thought both letters  Scout   Jan-28-09 08:31 AM   #126 
        - You're welcome.  bertman   Jan-28-09 01:47 PM   #174 
        - What gross generalization? The OP is about one fictitious asshole.  thecatburgler   Jan-28-09 10:31 AM   #140 
  - Bravo!!!!  fascisthunter   Jan-27-09 06:20 PM   #44 
  - Good stuff.  Not Sure   Jan-27-09 06:34 PM   #46 
  - Hoax.  Bette Noir   Jan-27-09 06:35 PM   #47 
  - Hmm, I thought I was clear in my title/description but I guess not.  ihavenobias   Jan-27-09 06:39 PM   #48 
     - Ohhhh Kick & Recommend  Azlady   Jan-27-09 09:13 PM   #65 
  - oh by the way, boss, you know that guy you fired?  johnnypneumatic   Jan-27-09 06:44 PM   #49 
  - I swear on all things good-I'd rec this every hour if I could.  kywildcat   Jan-27-09 07:20 PM   #51 
  - Nice!  ChromeFoundry   Jan-27-09 07:24 PM   #52 
  - Short, succinct response to this email  jmowreader   Jan-27-09 07:37 PM   #53 
  - K & R n/t  ejbr   Jan-27-09 07:58 PM   #54 
  - That was AWESOME!!!  GOPBasher   Jan-27-09 08:07 PM   #58 
  - This is the usual bullshit full of righteousness letter.....  Aviation Pro   Jan-27-09 08:39 PM   #61 
  - Word. n/t  leeroysphitz   Jan-27-09 08:40 PM   #62 
  - KandR. Awesome indeed! n/t  Dystopian   Jan-27-09 09:36 PM   #68 
  - Let's see, we got . . .  HughBeaumont   Jan-27-09 09:43 PM   #70 
  - Don't forget "little things"  LiberalEsto   Jan-28-09 06:18 AM   #115 
  - EXCUSE ME: TYT YouTube Account SUSPENDED??? Is this the bigger news? nt  snot   Jan-27-09 09:47 PM   #73 
  - Here  ihavenobias   Jan-27-09 10:19 PM   #77 
  - Both letters are way to damn long  johncoby2   Jan-27-09 09:55 PM   #74 
  - Proud2B #100  texastoast   Jan-27-09 10:17 PM   #76 
  - Best post I've ever read  Autonomy   Jan-27-09 10:19 PM   #78 
  - Yeah Go ahead  southernyankeebelle   Jan-27-09 10:20 PM   #79 
  - Error: You've already recommended that thread.  Career Prole   Jan-27-09 10:31 PM   #81 
  - Bravolicious  davefromqueens   Jan-27-09 11:25 PM   #86 
  - Beautiful.  snake in the grass   Jan-27-09 11:35 PM   #87 
  - GRAND SLAM  Blue_Tires   Jan-27-09 11:37 PM   #88 
  - k&r  matthewf   Jan-27-09 11:47 PM   #91 
  - The bottom line is every Dem president has had better job and economic growth  Wetzelbill   Jan-27-09 11:48 PM   #92 
  - K&R  Kitty Herder   Jan-27-09 11:50 PM   #93 
  - A big K & R  Chisox08   Jan-28-09 12:21 AM   #94 
  - Wow both sound like they're full of shit...n/t  newtothegame   Jan-28-09 12:56 AM   #96 
  - Exactly.  Common Sense Party   Jan-28-09 01:46 AM   #102 
     - That was pretty much my take on it. I thought it sounded like two people...  Pacifist Patriot   Jan-28-09 06:59 AM   #120 
        - Yeah, I have a hard time believing either the original or response is from an actual scenario...  newtothegame   Jan-28-09 08:29 AM   #125 
        - As the thread title and introduction indicate, neither response IS from an actual scenario.  ihavenobias   Jan-28-09 01:29 PM   #168 
        - FYI: The second response was purposely written with the same tone and hyperbole  ihavenobias   Jan-28-09 01:27 PM   #167 
           - I'm not an idiot. I completely understand that it was a response to a crafted mass email.  Pacifist Patriot   Jan-28-09 04:27 PM   #178 
              - Not always the best tactic, but in this case, quite an entertaining one.  ihavenobias   Jan-28-09 04:31 PM   #179 
                 - I am perfectly comfortable having minority tastes. ;-)  Pacifist Patriot   Jan-28-09 06:39 PM   #180 
  - McCain today; "Obama's stimulus package must contain more tax cuts" imagine if he was elected  Imagevision   Jan-28-09 01:02 AM   #98 
  - Awesome? Hardly. BOTH letters were full of much crap.  Common Sense Party   Jan-28-09 01:44 AM   #101 
  - Nordstrom's?  Norrin Radd   Jan-28-09 02:49 AM   #103 
  - Nordstrom's  Stainless   Jan-28-09 09:04 AM   #129 
     - We have them in AZ as well.  thecatburgler   Jan-28-09 11:26 AM   #150 
  - The conservative letter sounds like a product of Neil Boortz  Optical.Catalyst   Jan-28-09 04:46 AM   #109 
  - I can't believe an employer would write something so stupid  liberal N proud   Jan-28-09 05:57 AM   #113 
  - Oh hell yeah! Face card, check card! Employee Free Choice Act!  lonestarnot   Jan-28-09 06:48 AM   #117 
  - $288K in QUARTERLY payroll taxes?? He should be making weekly deposits  Gman   Jan-28-09 06:48 AM   #118 
  - Not to mention he's paying way too much.  Common Sense Party   Jan-28-09 10:57 AM   #147 
  - it doesn't get any better than that.  Soylent Brice   Jan-28-09 09:00 AM   #128 
  - If this was really sent by a business owner to his employees....  George II   Jan-28-09 09:17 AM   #133 
  - K&R  dccrossman   Jan-28-09 09:59 AM   #136 
  - Isn't it interesting how thesefake letters are always about the small businessman?  denverbill   Jan-28-09 10:02 AM   #137 
  - I would add the line: "Time to stick a fork in it. The Regan revolution has officially failed."  YOY   Jan-28-09 10:14 AM   #138 
  - K&R  guitar man   Jan-28-09 10:41 AM   #144 
  - Simply BRILLIANT!!!  truebrit71   Jan-28-09 10:52 AM   #146 
  - Both are over-generalized ignorant bullshit that only quashes dialogue, not helps it.  Rabrrrrrr   Jan-28-09 11:29 AM   #151 
  - Bingo, bingo, bingo. You nailed it perfectly, Rabrrrrrr.  Redstone   Jan-28-09 11:54 AM   #154 
  - Okay. So the OP is not about them.  thecatburgler   Jan-28-09 12:21 PM   #157 
     - Oh, open your fucking mind up. The problem with shit like this is stereotype perpetuation,  Rabrrrrrr   Jan-28-09 07:02 PM   #181 
        - The first "letter" is a characature concocted in a RW think tank.  thecatburgler   Jan-28-09 11:37 PM   #183 
           - No, it is not a "damn good response" - it is a response as equally ignorant and stereotyping  Rabrrrrrr   Jan-28-09 11:50 PM   #184 
              - Out of context?  thecatburgler   Jan-29-09 12:17 AM   #185 
                 - Yes, out of context. Spacing is irrelevant. Don't be disigenuous.  Rabrrrrrr   Jan-29-09 07:28 AM   #188 
  - Oh, fuck both of them, and the respective horses they rode in on.  Redstone   Jan-28-09 11:42 AM   #152 
  - (Sigh) Did anyone read the title and introduction to this thread?  ihavenobias   Jan-28-09 01:32 PM   #170 
     - It's obvious to me.  thecatburgler   Jan-29-09 01:33 AM   #187 
  - Brilliant reply!  geardaddy   Jan-28-09 12:18 PM   #155 
  - My hubby runs a business of 1. He can send both letters to himself! LOL  GreenPartyVoter   Jan-28-09 12:23 PM   #158 
  - ATTENTION: If you are one of the good small business owners.  thecatburgler   Jan-28-09 12:24 PM   #159 
  - the freak-a-zoid that wrote the original had the gall to say  UpInArms   Jan-28-09 12:36 PM   #161 
  - Everybody just needs to  humbled_opinion   Jan-28-09 12:49 PM   #162 
  - BEING THE OWNER means you pay for EVERYTHING i get.... yes... that's right--- maybe you should just  happygoluckytoyou   Jan-28-09 01:01 PM   #163 
  - Excellent response!  butterfly77   Jan-28-09 01:02 PM   #164 
  - I once worked for an asshole like this...  Change or Revolution   Jan-28-09 01:18 PM   #166 
  - Huzzah! n/t  daggahead   Jan-28-09 01:10 PM   #165 
  - Yeah!!!  Political_Junkie   Jan-28-09 01:39 PM   #171 
  - How did they stop cooperatives?  november3rd   Jan-28-09 01:43 PM   #172 
  - I can't believe ANYONE would think either one "real"  MedfordTim   Jan-28-09 01:47 PM   #173 
  - Considering that they cut my hours (again) at work and the TYT youtube channel is suspended  ihavenobias   Jan-28-09 02:11 PM   #176 
  - People don't start up businesses to create jobs per se. They do it to make money.  bulloney   Jan-28-09 02:03 PM   #175 
     - I think politicians are more concerned with campaign contributions.  thecatburgler   Jan-29-09 12:28 AM   #186 
 

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