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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:08 AM
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14. While I did play some points for laughs and gross-out value, some serious points:
1) Are people who are willing to torture someone also willing to accept a burden upon themselves?
2) Are people who think torture is okay, because "anything goes" when it comes to saving lives, also willing to do something that they personally find repulsive (like sexual acts across the boundaries of their orientation)?

Key point: Would they say, "I would torture someone else to save lives, but I would not have sex with the "wrong" gender to save lives, nor would I accept jail or execution upon myself to save lives.

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  -The Ticking Time-Bomb Scenario: Would you torture someone to save tens of thousands of lives? Ian David  Jan-23-09 09:48 AM   #0 
  - What a disgusting  sweettater   Jan-23-09 09:53 AM   #1 
  - Thank you! I hope you gave it a Rec. n/t  Ian David   Jan-23-09 09:56 AM   #2 
  - not a chance!  sweettater   Jan-23-09 10:02 AM   #9 
  - It was fine by me.  aquart   Jan-23-09 09:57 AM   #3 
  - Kinda got me worked up.  AzDar   Jan-23-09 10:21 AM   #27 
     - My work here is done. Jetpack... engage!  Ian David   Jan-23-09 10:45 AM   #29 
  - I don't know.  anotheryellowdog   Jan-23-09 10:04 AM   #10 
  - While I did play some points for laughs and gross-out value, some serious points:  Ian David   Jan-23-09 10:08 AM   #14 
     - And the subtleties were not missed.  anotheryellowdog   Jan-23-09 11:00 AM   #34 
        - Anarchy, State, and Utopia  Ian David   Jan-23-09 12:12 PM   #42 
           - Crap! I read that?!  anotheryellowdog   Jan-23-09 01:58 PM   #44 
  - If you're not willing to take one up the wazzoo for America, you hate our way of life  Bucky   Jan-23-09 11:00 AM   #33 
  - It's also based on the false assumption that...  phantom power   Jan-23-09 09:58 AM   #4 
  - Do you think if we switched from torture to fellatio, people would turn themselves in to get sex? nt  Ian David   Jan-23-09 10:00 AM   #7 
     - I can just see it now.  JVS   Jan-23-09 10:08 AM   #15 
        - Too much of a good thing becomes torture. You cannot use over-fellating.  Ian David   Jan-23-09 10:12 AM   #19 
  - K&R for awesome. nt  Occam Bandage   Jan-23-09 09:58 AM   #5 
  - Anyone fanatical enough to plant that kind of bomb  hobbit709   Jan-23-09 10:00 AM   #6 
  - Or they would say something like, "The bomb is in building X" when it's really...  Ian David   Jan-23-09 10:02 AM   #8 
  - Or . . .  gratuitous   Jan-23-09 10:20 AM   #26 
     - What if Timothy McVeigh had been arrested two hours before his bomb went off?  Ian David   Jan-23-09 10:26 AM   #28 
        - Yes indeed  gratuitous   Jan-23-09 11:10 AM   #36 
  - Woo hoo!  BurtWorm   Jan-23-09 10:07 AM   #11 
  - torture doesn't work- so NO- Its broadly understood that  Bluerthanblue   Jan-23-09 10:07 AM   #12 
  - Agreed. As I also pointed out in my OP. n/t  Ian David   Jan-23-09 10:09 AM   #16 
  - I think you're confusing confessions with information.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-23-09 11:39 AM   #41 
  - Yes, I'd torture somebody to save thousands of lives  Downtown Hound   Jan-23-09 10:08 AM   #13 
  - Agreed. And even if he gives you wrong info, and the bomb goes off...  Ian David   Jan-23-09 10:11 AM   #18 
  - but how do you KNOW he has info?  Locrian   Jan-23-09 10:16 AM   #23 
     - Good question  Downtown Hound   Jan-23-09 10:59 AM   #32 
  - The question is quite difficult.  Bu Megdi   Jan-23-09 10:09 AM   #17 
  - false assumption, and different motives  Locrian   Jan-23-09 10:13 AM   #20 
  - Torture does not save lives. Torture just gives material for propaganda, and breeds new enemies. n/t  Ian David   Jan-23-09 10:15 AM   #22 
     - exactly  Locrian   Jan-23-09 10:17 AM   #24 
  - Or would you torture someone to save your own child/spouse/family?  Oregone   Jan-23-09 10:14 AM   #21 
  - Agreed. And this is why I am glad that there are laws that would stop me from doing that.  Ian David   Jan-23-09 10:18 AM   # 
  - If Santa Claus robbed houses instead of leaving toys, would clog up your chimney  mmonk   Jan-23-09 10:18 AM   #25 
  - Torture is for dummies!  Journalgrrl   Jan-23-09 10:52 AM   #30 
  - Torture is for people who put actions before words.  Xenotime   Jan-23-09 10:54 AM   #31 
  - Exactly how many ticking time bomb scenarios have we had in US history?  Bucky   Jan-23-09 11:05 AM   #35 
  - Cheny said torture works  Bragi   Jan-23-09 11:26 AM   #37 
  - Possibly would, but I certainly wouldn't institutionalize it. eom  smiley_glad_hands   Jan-23-09 11:28 AM   #38 
  - Torture doesn't work like...  chrisa   Jan-23-09 11:31 AM   #39 
  - Would you torture tens of thousands to save one life?  tuckessee   Jan-23-09 11:32 AM   #40 
  - C'mon! This is a Capitalist system! Just offer them $$$$$$ n/t  leftstreet   Jan-23-09 12:16 PM   #43 
  - The end never justifies the means.  jtrockville   Jan-23-09 09:28 PM   #45 

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