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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Just voting 'no' on the budget request for Iraq would not end the occupation.
Edited on Fri Mar-23-07 08:12 PM by bigtree

And it's just not realistic, and perhaps not responsible for Congress, that they would reject the overall Defense budget to get at the Iraq portion. But, the Senate has indicated they will attack those requests in the overall Defense budget that involve Iraq, as a next step after the Byrd effort.

It's not our soldiers' job to police Iraqis' streets or manage their civil war. The aggressor is the one who put our troops in harm's way and is directing them to re-occupy the Iraqi neighborhoods. Bush is the object of the legislation, but Iraqi regime should have notice that the present commitment made by Bush is ending and this legislation gives them the opportunity to either adjust to that reality now with our help, or live without it.
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  -Largest rebuke of Bush's war to pass Congress and all some can do is whine and complain bigtree  Mar-23-07 06:54 PM   #0 
  - Thanks! Now get back to work. n/t  ShortnFiery   Mar-23-07 06:55 PM   #1 
  - Excuse those who whine and complain on behalf of the dead and dying  youngdem   Mar-23-07 06:56 PM   #2 
  - What You Don't Seem To Realize  Possumpoint   Mar-23-07 07:00 PM   #4 
  - Actually, I do understand that perfectly...the bill is still DOA as far as actually stopping the war  youngdem   Mar-23-07 08:31 PM   #23 
     - If this does advance far enough for Bush to veto it, HE will be the one denying funds to the troops  bigtree   Mar-23-07 08:37 PM   #25 
        - So what? He doesn't care. He's a sociopathic, born-again lame duck  youngdem   Mar-24-07 08:45 AM   #40 
           - I'm speaking to the politics of it all  bigtree   Mar-24-07 09:46 AM   #43 
  - doa to the Senate?  bigtree   Mar-23-07 07:02 PM   #5 
     - He knows he's gonna veto this bill or put a signing statement on it no matter the revision  youngdem   Mar-24-07 12:54 PM   #49 
  - How are they going to hold him accountable? What if he digs in and refuses to budge?  cassiepriam   Mar-23-07 06:57 PM   #3 
  - That's going to be the case with anything they pass  bigtree   Mar-23-07 07:04 PM   #7 
  - yes, but not looking like that will happen. Not sure the real reason why  cassiepriam   Mar-23-07 07:10 PM   #8 
     - It was presented as 'off of the table' at the start of the session as a pretext for the new Congress  bigtree   Mar-23-07 07:22 PM   #11 
        - I hope to God you are right. So much depends upon it.  cassiepriam   Mar-23-07 08:18 PM   #20 
  - Then they keep bringing the war up, til everyone is well and truly sick  babylonsister   Mar-23-07 07:24 PM   #12 
     - After all the crying repugs last election, I am surprised more aren't turning now.  cassiepriam   Mar-23-07 08:17 PM   #19 
  - Sorry, but this bill has been an exercise in futility from the very beginning  MadHound   Mar-23-07 07:03 PM   #6 
  - everything Congress does will be ignored by Bush  bigtree   Mar-23-07 07:16 PM   #10 
     - If you are right....  whoneedstickets   Mar-23-07 08:23 PM   #22 
     - the point of this compromise is to avoid having to wait until the next election  bigtree   Mar-23-07 08:34 PM   #24 
        - True, if Bush were to accept it...  whoneedstickets   Mar-23-07 08:40 PM   #26 
     - The thing is that Bush can't rob the rest of the military, or the rest of the government  MadHound   Mar-23-07 08:51 PM   #28 
        - he's robbing them now  bigtree   Mar-23-07 09:02 PM   #29 
           - There's nothing more foolish that sending a funding bill with a timeline  MadHound   Mar-23-07 09:52 PM   #32 
              - There's nothing standing in the way of Congress rejecting Bush's justifications  bigtree   Mar-23-07 10:20 PM   #36 
                 - Please, read up on how government spending works  MadHound   Mar-23-07 10:46 PM   #39 
                    - I don't need you to school me on how government works. What an arrogant statement  bigtree   Mar-24-07 08:46 AM   #41 
  - I agre. If it were to get through the Senate and Bush vetoes, he's the one who will have no  sinkingfeeling   Mar-23-07 07:11 PM   #9 
  - Terrific post, bigtree! Nom! nt  babylonsister   Mar-23-07 07:25 PM   #13 
  - I Hope Bush's Announced Veto of this Bill  stirlingsliver   Mar-23-07 07:27 PM   #14 
  - The US military has NO rightful role in Iraq, and it is not right to say it does.  Tom Joad   Mar-23-07 07:29 PM   #15 
  - '2009 and beyond' is not in the bill  bigtree   Mar-23-07 07:46 PM   #16 
     - That's true. Because many Democrats refuse to end the occupation, such a position would not have  Tom Joad   Mar-23-07 07:53 PM   #17 
        - Just voting 'no' on the budget request for Iraq would not end the occupation.  bigtree   Mar-23-07 08:11 PM   #18 
  - And Democrats have only been in power for 11 short weeks.  Major Hogwash   Mar-23-07 08:21 PM   #21 
  - Excellent Post!  whoneedstickets   Mar-23-07 08:45 PM   #27 
  - So they are going to stop all this now or leave in 08? How do you know?  mmonk   Mar-23-07 09:19 PM   #30 
  - There is no basis from the past  bigtree   Mar-23-07 09:45 PM   #31 
     - Why would supporters of the legislation camp in front  mmonk   Mar-23-07 10:00 PM   #33 
        - What repuke speech? Who said anything about driving anyone out?  bigtree   Mar-23-07 10:09 PM   #34 
           - Not you in particular. The democrats that voted their conscience  mmonk   Mar-23-07 10:20 PM   #35 
              - I condemn those attacks  bigtree   Mar-23-07 10:23 PM   #37 
                 - Thanks bigtree.  mmonk   Mar-23-07 10:38 PM   #38 
  - So what are the choices?  riverdeep   Mar-24-07 09:46 AM   #42 
  - I agree with Kerry's bill, and the others which call for unconditional withdrawal  bigtree   Mar-24-07 09:56 AM   #44 
  - 18 more months of war (even if the "deadline" did mean anything)...  leftofthedial   Mar-24-07 10:06 AM   #45 
  - you know, you aren't alone in wanting Bush to end it now  bigtree   Mar-24-07 11:58 AM   #46 
     - I'm sure the families of the 1000 additional dead Americans  leftofthedial   Mar-24-07 12:25 PM   #47 
        - I remember someone once said, "cynicism is a luxury"  bigtree   Mar-24-07 01:05 PM   #50 
           - As much as I enjoy te discussion of cynicism,  leftofthedial   Mar-24-07 02:00 PM   #53 
              - It does provide more money, but the bulk of it is not directed toward continuing  bigtree   Mar-24-07 02:21 PM   #54 
  - This is truly an excellent post  cali   Mar-24-07 12:38 PM   #48 
  - It's a citizens duty to whine, complain, bitch, and keep the politicians accountable.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-24-07 01:12 PM   #51 
  - It wouldn't hurt to show some support for the legislators who have advanced this bill  bigtree   Mar-24-07 01:14 PM   #52 
  - one more kick  bigtree   Mar-24-07 08:28 PM   #55 

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