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Fri Mar-23-07 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #6 |
| 10. everything Congress does will be ignored by Bush |
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this time, however, his rubber-stamp republicans don't hold power. It's not an excuse to do nothing just because Bush will veto it.
Directing Bush by denying funds is just an encouragement for Bush to rob the rest of our armed forces to continue. There's nothing in that act which would direct Bush to do anything, so I don't know how those who cast a no vote could claim they are doing anything to restrain Bush. This bill directs the funds where they are needed. If Bush strayed from that he would be confronted and rebuked again by the normal legislative process.
In the end, it may well be that Bush intends to ignore Congress as he has all along. The point where he rejects the legislation will be the point where Congress is challenged (again) to hold him to account. Just pointing out that there are political ways for Bush to wiggle around doesn't make this an 'exercise in futility', any more than merely voting 'no' and expecting Bush to take notice and back away from his occupation.
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| -Largest rebuke of Bush's war to pass Congress and all some can do is whine and complain |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 06:54 PM |
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Thanks! Now get back to work. n/t |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-23-07 06:55 PM |
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Excuse those who whine and complain on behalf of the dead and dying |
youngdem |
Mar-23-07 06:56 PM |
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What You Don't Seem To Realize |
Possumpoint |
Mar-23-07 07:00 PM |
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Actually, I do understand that perfectly...the bill is still DOA as far as actually stopping the war |
youngdem |
Mar-23-07 08:31 PM |
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If this does advance far enough for Bush to veto it, HE will be the one denying funds to the troops |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 08:37 PM |
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So what? He doesn't care. He's a sociopathic, born-again lame duck |
youngdem |
Mar-24-07 08:45 AM |
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I'm speaking to the politics of it all |
bigtree |
Mar-24-07 09:46 AM |
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doa to the Senate? |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 07:02 PM |
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He knows he's gonna veto this bill or put a signing statement on it no matter the revision |
youngdem |
Mar-24-07 12:54 PM |
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How are they going to hold him accountable? What if he digs in and refuses to budge? |
cassiepriam |
Mar-23-07 06:57 PM |
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That's going to be the case with anything they pass |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 07:04 PM |
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yes, but not looking like that will happen. Not sure the real reason why |
cassiepriam |
Mar-23-07 07:10 PM |
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It was presented as 'off of the table' at the start of the session as a pretext for the new Congress |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 07:22 PM |
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I hope to God you are right. So much depends upon it. |
cassiepriam |
Mar-23-07 08:18 PM |
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Then they keep bringing the war up, til everyone is well and truly sick |
babylonsister |
Mar-23-07 07:24 PM |
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After all the crying repugs last election, I am surprised more aren't turning now. |
cassiepriam |
Mar-23-07 08:17 PM |
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Sorry, but this bill has been an exercise in futility from the very beginning |
MadHound |
Mar-23-07 07:03 PM |
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everything Congress does will be ignored by Bush |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 07:16 PM |
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If you are right.... |
whoneedstickets |
Mar-23-07 08:23 PM |
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the point of this compromise is to avoid having to wait until the next election |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 08:34 PM |
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True, if Bush were to accept it... |
whoneedstickets |
Mar-23-07 08:40 PM |
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The thing is that Bush can't rob the rest of the military, or the rest of the government |
MadHound |
Mar-23-07 08:51 PM |
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he's robbing them now |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 09:02 PM |
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There's nothing more foolish that sending a funding bill with a timeline |
MadHound |
Mar-23-07 09:52 PM |
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There's nothing standing in the way of Congress rejecting Bush's justifications |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 10:20 PM |
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Please, read up on how government spending works |
MadHound |
Mar-23-07 10:46 PM |
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I don't need you to school me on how government works. What an arrogant statement |
bigtree |
Mar-24-07 08:46 AM |
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I agre. If it were to get through the Senate and Bush vetoes, he's the one who will have no |
sinkingfeeling |
Mar-23-07 07:11 PM |
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Terrific post, bigtree! Nom! nt |
babylonsister |
Mar-23-07 07:25 PM |
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I Hope Bush's Announced Veto of this Bill |
stirlingsliver |
Mar-23-07 07:27 PM |
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The US military has NO rightful role in Iraq, and it is not right to say it does. |
Tom Joad |
Mar-23-07 07:29 PM |
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'2009 and beyond' is not in the bill |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 07:46 PM |
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That's true. Because many Democrats refuse to end the occupation, such a position would not have |
Tom Joad |
Mar-23-07 07:53 PM |
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Just voting 'no' on the budget request for Iraq would not end the occupation. |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 08:11 PM |
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And Democrats have only been in power for 11 short weeks. |
Major Hogwash |
Mar-23-07 08:21 PM |
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Excellent Post! |
whoneedstickets |
Mar-23-07 08:45 PM |
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So they are going to stop all this now or leave in 08? How do you know? |
mmonk |
Mar-23-07 09:19 PM |
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There is no basis from the past |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 09:45 PM |
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Why would supporters of the legislation camp in front |
mmonk |
Mar-23-07 10:00 PM |
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What repuke speech? Who said anything about driving anyone out? |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 10:09 PM |
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Not you in particular. The democrats that voted their conscience |
mmonk |
Mar-23-07 10:20 PM |
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I condemn those attacks |
bigtree |
Mar-23-07 10:23 PM |
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Thanks bigtree. |
mmonk |
Mar-23-07 10:38 PM |
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So what are the choices? |
riverdeep |
Mar-24-07 09:46 AM |
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I agree with Kerry's bill, and the others which call for unconditional withdrawal |
bigtree |
Mar-24-07 09:56 AM |
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18 more months of war (even if the "deadline" did mean anything)... |
leftofthedial |
Mar-24-07 10:06 AM |
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you know, you aren't alone in wanting Bush to end it now |
bigtree |
Mar-24-07 11:58 AM |
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I'm sure the families of the 1000 additional dead Americans |
leftofthedial |
Mar-24-07 12:25 PM |
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I remember someone once said, "cynicism is a luxury" |
bigtree |
Mar-24-07 01:05 PM |
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As much as I enjoy te discussion of cynicism, |
leftofthedial |
Mar-24-07 02:00 PM |
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It does provide more money, but the bulk of it is not directed toward continuing |
bigtree |
Mar-24-07 02:21 PM |
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This is truly an excellent post |
cali |
Mar-24-07 12:38 PM |
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It's a citizens duty to whine, complain, bitch, and keep the politicians accountable. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Mar-24-07 01:12 PM |
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It wouldn't hurt to show some support for the legislators who have advanced this bill |
bigtree |
Mar-24-07 01:14 PM |
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one more kick |
bigtree |
Mar-24-07 08:28 PM |
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