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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:03 PM
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59. Noise abatement procedures... many large urban airports have the plane doing odd things on takeoff and approach sometimes.
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  -BREAKING CNN: People on flight 1549 2 days before say that they had the SAME problem! originalpckelly  Jan-19-09 01:14 PM   #0 
  - I have a feeling this is going to turn into a scandal...  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:18 PM   #1 
  - might explain  marketcrazy1   Jan-19-09 01:20 PM   #3 
  - I think that's a normal thing.  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:22 PM   #4 
     - It was reported that the pilot cancelled an interview due to "pressure from the Union." nt  joeunderdog   Jan-19-09 09:40 PM   #105 
        - The Union wishes to remain an official "interested party"...  Lagomorph   Jan-19-09 09:47 PM   #108 
  - There were, in the past stories, about flight maintenance being outsourced.  dixiegrrrrl   Jan-19-09 01:24 PM   #6 
  - Yeah, these airlines have been under the gun for fuel prices...  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:39 PM   #26 
  - It's not so much as being outsourced as where it's outsourced.  Angleae   Jan-19-09 02:42 PM   #78 
  - Because it's odd for a plane to be destroyed when it flies into a building?  aquart   Jan-19-09 03:19 PM   #89 
     - They never--ehem--located at least one black box.  joeunderdog   Jan-19-09 09:42 PM   #107 
  - Their reputation for maintenance is pathetic.  Angleae   Jan-19-09 02:40 PM   #77 
     - US AIR (Unfortunately Still Allegheny In Reality)  SharonAnn   Jan-19-09 09:41 PM   #106 
  - it's not uncommon for the same plane to fly the same routes back and forth day after day...  QuestionAll   Jan-19-09 01:20 PM   #2 
  - True, but the big deal here...  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:23 PM   #5 
     - That's not the pilot or crew's problem. It's the maintanence crew's issue.  mucifer   Jan-19-09 01:26 PM   #9 
        - Of course, I doubt pilots would take off with that knowledge in their heads.  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:34 PM   #19 
  - And I'm flying them at the end of March ...  meegbear   Jan-19-09 01:24 PM   #7 
  - Well, this ought to be fleshed out before March.  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:26 PM   #8 
  - Was it the same birds, too?  onehandle   Jan-19-09 01:26 PM   #10 
  - USAir is a corporation. They MUST be evil.  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 01:44 PM   #30 
  - I'm thinking the same Al Qaeda bird cell -- better call Alberto Gonzales...  johnfunk   Jan-19-09 05:25 PM   #95 
  - and this was not reported at the time?  nini   Jan-19-09 01:27 PM   #11 
  - Hero pilot might be full of BS?  AngryAmish   Jan-19-09 01:28 PM   #12 
  - The pilot's character and heroic actions are not in question.  Alexander   Jan-19-09 01:33 PM   #17 
  - Exactly. It appears clear the plane did lose power in both engines.  lizzy   Jan-19-09 01:35 PM   #20 
  - Yep, just because the pilot saw birds, doesn't mean he hit them.  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:37 PM   #22 
     - How about the sounds of crashing geese?  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 01:45 PM   #32 
     - I'm still suspicious. I've seen videos of engines having birds chucked into them...  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:52 PM   #41 
     - Geese smacked into the plane and the pilots instintively ducked  dmordue   Jan-19-09 01:46 PM   #33 
        - Not to mention sounds of thumping geese on the black box recording:  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 01:46 PM   #35 
           - I think the evidence is clear the geese were at least guilty of hitting the plane  dmordue   Jan-19-09 01:49 PM   #37 
              - I think so.  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 01:51 PM   #40 
  - Bull shit  TwixVoy   Jan-19-09 05:35 PM   #97 
  - That's ridiculous  Dorian Gray   Jan-19-09 09:09 PM   #103 
  - It landed in the Hudson two days earlier???  underpants   Jan-19-09 01:29 PM   #13 
  - LOL  trotsky   Jan-19-09 01:31 PM   #14 
  - No, and this is not funny.  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:38 PM   #23 
  - So posting internet  Dorian Gray   Jan-19-09 09:11 PM   #104 
  - Is that going to be a regular stop on that route now??  johnfunk   Jan-19-09 05:27 PM   #96 
     - tricky!!!  underpants   Jan-19-09 05:35 PM   #98 
  - Maybe hitting the birds exacerbated a problem the plane already had?  boloboffin   Jan-19-09 01:31 PM   #15 
  - Actually, the plane must have been under some power  Ghost Dog   Jan-19-09 01:32 PM   #16 
  - Actually they do glide. Without thrust, an airplane becomes a big  neverforget   Jan-19-09 02:06 PM   #64 
  - Sure they glide (admittedly with a high sink rate compared to a glider)  JohnyCanuck   Jan-19-09 02:06 PM   #65 
  - I remember Flt 236  conscious evolution   Jan-19-09 03:10 PM   #85 
  - Well, Ok. But in this case there doesn't appear to have been  Ghost Dog   Jan-19-09 03:11 PM   #86 
     - Flight 1549 was a smaller aircraft with about half the number of people on board than 236.  Garbo 2004   Jan-19-09 04:02 PM   #90 
     - The descent rate would be slowed as he was trading air speed for reduced descent rate.  carpentrerman   Jan-19-09 04:24 PM   #91 
     - I read that for flight 1549 the rate was...  ljm2002   Jan-19-09 05:10 PM   #93 
  - actually, they do glide  flyingfysh   Jan-19-09 02:07 PM   #66 
  - They can...For ex: flight ran out of fuel over Altlantic, glided to landing in Azores in 2001.  Garbo 2004   Jan-19-09 02:15 PM   #75 
  - Yes, the plane did have some power, it's called "Gravity"  CreekDog   Jan-19-09 10:38 PM   #110 
  - can CNN confirm their "people on flight 1549 two days before" sources?  Whoa_Nelly   Jan-19-09 01:33 PM   #18 
  - Just saw one of them on TV, and US Airways does confirm...  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:36 PM   #21 
  - They don't call them US Scareways for nothing.  LeftyMom   Jan-19-09 01:39 PM   #24 
  - The Free Market in action!  Marr   Jan-19-09 01:39 PM   #25 
  - I'm pro-free market, but I agree. If airlines really had to compete with rail's safety record...  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:41 PM   #28 
  - I'm not seeing this anywhere else...  Dennis Donovan   Jan-19-09 01:39 PM   #27 
  - It was a CNN exclusive.  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:44 PM   #31 
  - "Pilot misses geese on first attempt, scores two hits on second" n/t  IDemo   Jan-19-09 01:42 PM   #29 
  - No, perhaps you should read what I wrote.  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 01:46 PM   #34 
     - It's also being suggested--no, EVIDENCE is being found--that geese  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 01:48 PM   #36 
     - All this article really says is that both engines died at the same time.  lizzy   Jan-19-09 01:50 PM   #38 
        - Highly unlikely that a mechanical failure alone would cause BOTH  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 01:53 PM   #42 
        - I know nothing about engines on the planes, so I have no clue  lizzy   Jan-19-09 01:54 PM   #44 
        - Unless the Hudson washed the remains away.  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 01:57 PM   #48 
           - I think if the birds crushed into the engines the engines  lizzy   Jan-19-09 01:58 PM   #51 
              - I would think so.  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 02:00 PM   #53 
        - Could be bad fuel  AngryAmish   Jan-19-09 02:55 PM   #83 
        - So, the pilot's comments at that the time on the recorder mean nothing?  nini   Jan-19-09 01:53 PM   #43 
        - Did I say that? No I did not.  lizzy   Jan-19-09 01:55 PM   #45 
        - Then why do you need to see bird guts to satisfy you?  nini   Jan-19-09 02:02 PM   #58 
           - Someone upthread mentioned the need for goose DNA to be  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 02:06 PM   #63 
              - LOL  nini   Jan-19-09 02:11 PM   #70 
        - To some people, such evidence means nothing.  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 01:55 PM   #46 
           - Oh gee. Stop the investigation. It's so obvious, why bother?  lizzy   Jan-19-09 01:57 PM   #47 
           - I never said stop the investigation.  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 01:58 PM   #49 
           - Union Carbide Bhopal Disaster.  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 02:04 PM   #60 
              - Are you equating this crash landing with Bhopal?  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 02:08 PM   #68 
                 - I'm self-employed.  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 02:14 PM   #74 
        - Why?  malaise   Jan-19-09 02:00 PM   #54 
           - and I heard another report that they did detected something  alyce douglas   Jan-19-09 02:12 PM   #72 
     - ************* /Sarcasm ************ *  IDemo   Jan-19-09 01:51 PM   #39 
  - Also, the captain is being advised not to comment publicly.  Lastlaughin08   Jan-19-09 01:58 PM   #50 
  - That sounds like standard practice when an accident is under  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 02:01 PM   #56 
     - I believe it was his union that requested it.  Lastlaughin08   Jan-19-09 02:07 PM   #67 
  - LaGuardia's Bird Problems Are Well Known ... Other Than That  Crisco   Jan-19-09 02:00 PM   #52 
  - Sure are...  Davis_X_Machina   Jan-19-09 02:06 PM   #62 
  - Nothing that the lying scumbags running many U.S. corporations  Peace Patriot   Jan-19-09 02:01 PM   #55 
  - With only seconds to react and try to safely land the plane to save  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 02:05 PM   #61 
     - It really doesn't ring plausible.  glitch   Jan-19-09 02:39 PM   #76 
     - I usually take conspiracy theories with a huge block of salt  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 02:43 PM   #80 
        - That's funny, that's how I take coincidence theories! Only I say salt lick, not block. :) nt  glitch   Jan-19-09 02:49 PM   #81 
           - I wasn't sure if everyone understood the term "salt lick."  Common Sense Party   Jan-19-09 03:13 PM   #87 
              - It's true I do have to explain it a lot. But it's worth it. :) nt  glitch   Jan-19-09 10:53 PM   #111 
     - Did you see the report of the co-pilot's letter to his union?  Peace Patriot   Jan-20-09 12:15 AM   #113 
     - No, of course it doesn't (ring plausible). That's what I'm saying. But  Peace Patriot   Jan-20-09 01:27 AM   #114 
  - LaGuardia is odd anyway  spinbaby   Jan-19-09 02:02 PM   #57 
  - Noise abatement procedures...  Davis_X_Machina   Jan-19-09 02:03 PM   #59 
  - Orange County airport is the worst that I've been to.  trotsky   Jan-19-09 02:42 PM   #79 
     - That's what I've heard.  fudge stripe cookays   Jan-19-09 08:24 PM   #101 
  - Being told by your flightcrew that you'll have to return to the airport...  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 02:11 PM   #71 
  - can't find anything on their webpage concerning this....any links????  spanone   Jan-19-09 02:08 PM   #69 
  - I know, I went to look for it too. I'm not the only who saw it though...  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 02:13 PM   #73 
  - Link:  akwapez   Jan-19-09 02:52 PM   #82 
  - Does anyone know about planes? Does a compressor stall sound like a thud?  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 05:47 PM   #99 
     - Compressor Stalls  Oldtimeralso   Jan-19-09 08:49 PM   #102 
        - Would that require the plane to be out of business for a few days?  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 09:52 PM   #109 
  - Flames? There were flames and it's just now being mentioned?  AZBlue   Jan-19-09 03:06 PM   #84 
  - Here's the story:  originalpckelly   Jan-19-09 05:47 PM   #100 
  - Passengers on earlier flight say the incident involved the right engine. Not both engines. nt  Garbo 2004   Jan-19-09 03:15 PM   #88 
  - Both engines? ...highly unlikely.  L0oniX   Jan-19-09 04:50 PM   #92 
  - And they blamed it on the poor birds. Assholes.  lonestarnot   Jan-19-09 05:12 PM   #94 
  - The hysterical reaction here is telling.  JackRiddler   Jan-19-09 11:26 PM   #112 

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