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213. K & R
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  -Poverty in America: the Old and the New maryf  Jan-16-09 04:12 PM   #0 
  - You are right on maryf...  dajoki   Jan-16-09 04:29 PM   #1 
  - Thanks Dajoki  maryf   Jan-16-09 04:33 PM   #3 
  - There is a difference however  shintao   Jan-16-09 09:02 PM   #74 
     - YEs, indeed--decades of being beaten down will do that to a person.  bobbolink   Jan-16-09 10:45 PM   #89 
     - I think it depends  JNelson6563   Jan-17-09 11:39 AM   #125 
     - I agree, bobbo.  I Have A Dream   Jan-17-09 12:00 PM   #130 
     - You have said it exactly right! And it bears repeating!  bobbolink   Jan-17-09 12:17 PM   #138 
     - You have been my inspiration...  maryf   Jan-17-09 12:05 PM   #132 
     - That is...  dajoki   Jan-17-09 12:30 AM   #94 
     - "I am now supposed to be happy with the crumbs I can find" reminds me...  stlsaxman   Jan-17-09 07:23 AM   #112 
     - You speak of signs and wonders  maryf   Jan-17-09 12:09 PM   #133 
     - Thanks for posting that. I'm glad there are poets and musicians paying attention!  bobbolink   Jan-17-09 12:15 PM   #137 
     - This is exactly the position that my partner and I find ourselves in now.  jhrobbins   Jan-17-09 02:33 PM   #154 
     - Maybe but ...  mntleo2   Jan-17-09 02:32 AM   #103 
     - mntleo2...  I Have A Dream   Jan-17-09 06:14 PM   #173 
     - Cat this deserves its own thread  maryf   Jan-17-09 09:46 PM   #179 
     - It's assumed people can walk away from McJobs  Tindalos   Jan-18-09 11:39 PM   #207 
     - I have to disagree  Two Americas   Jan-17-09 04:40 AM   #106 
     - k&r this reply  cornermouse   Jan-17-09 10:08 AM   #116 
     - Second recommendation for this post!  maryf   Jan-17-09 11:37 AM   #123 
     - well said. the reason 20% of the population requires state subsidy to survive isn't  Hannah Bell   Jan-18-09 01:45 AM   #183 
     - Wonderful post- gee where shall I start  Ocracoker16   Jan-18-09 05:35 PM   #200 
     - hi Ocracoker16  Two Americas   Jan-18-09 08:14 PM   #201 
     - You are so right.  Naturyl   Jan-21-09 05:24 PM   #229 
     - Happy to be ticking along?  Baby Snooks   Jan-17-09 09:19 AM   #115 
        - I doubt that I would find much happiness and fulfillment  cornermouse   Jan-17-09 10:11 AM   #117 
        - Great response!!  maryf   Jan-17-09 11:28 AM   #121 
           - I've been rich and I've been poor...  Baby Snooks   Jan-17-09 02:38 PM   #155 
              - Hear, hear!  maryf   Jan-17-09 02:53 PM   #156 
              - You brought me to tears ...  mntleo2   Jan-18-09 02:40 AM   #184 
                 - Hey Cat  maryf   Jan-18-09 09:08 AM   #186 
  - a must read, K&R  G_j   Jan-16-09 04:32 PM   #2 
  - I wish all Americans  maryf   Jan-16-09 04:35 PM   #5 
  - K+R  angrycarpenter   Jan-16-09 04:35 PM   #4 
  - Its a tough issue to look at...  maryf   Jan-16-09 04:37 PM   #6 
  - I believe that is because...  dajoki   Jan-16-09 04:53 PM   #11 
  - I think it's because it's depressing. Especially for those that  Fire1   Jan-16-09 06:43 PM   #52 
  - Of course  maryf   Jan-16-09 07:00 PM   #56 
  - Yes it is n/t  dajoki   Jan-17-09 12:37 AM   #96 
  - You're right and I also think it's because some folks honestly don't know what to do  Number23   Jan-16-09 11:31 PM   #91 
     - We have to help them know..  maryf   Jan-17-09 12:21 PM   #139 
  - Thank you so much, angrycarpenter! We're VERY TIRED of being IGNORED!  bobbolink   Jan-16-09 05:00 PM   #14 
     - Everybody deserves attention!!  maryf   Jan-16-09 05:25 PM   #24 
  - Read and bookmarked.  azmouse   Jan-16-09 04:38 PM   #7 
  - Yes it does...  dajoki   Jan-16-09 04:44 PM   #9 
  - Same here in San Bernardino, even in the "nice" part of town.  Raksha   Jan-16-09 05:45 PM   #33 
     - What is considered the nice part of town these days in San Bernardino?  Cleita   Jan-19-09 03:58 PM   #216 
  - In Miami there was a man who was doing that...  maryf   Jan-16-09 05:12 PM   #17 
  - Wanna see that article, Mary! NEED that article, Mary!  bobbolink   Jan-16-09 08:06 PM   #64 
     - Right below here!!  maryf   Jan-17-09 11:39 AM   #126 
  - Here's the article where homeless into empty houses works...  maryf   Jan-16-09 06:27 PM   #49 
  - The damned bailout was even more destructive than I thought :(  varelse   Jan-16-09 08:29 PM   #71 
     - I noticed that too when I read the article.  Raksha   Jan-17-09 12:51 AM   #98 
        - Money and property  maryf   Jan-17-09 11:41 AM   #127 
  - LOL! I agree, but think about this:  mntleo2   Jan-17-09 12:10 PM   #134 
     - damn  Two Americas   Jan-18-09 08:22 PM   #202 
  - Working Poor  send in the clowns   Jan-16-09 04:42 PM   #8 
  - Well said...  dajoki   Jan-16-09 04:50 PM   #10 
  - "If a homeis warm in the winter,has a roof that doesn't leak etc it's a castle"  maryf   Jan-17-09 11:46 AM   #128 
  - My depression era parents told me ...  mntleo2   Jan-17-09 12:29 PM   #141 
  - Very important points.. but please also remember.. those of us not working are also humans,  bobbolink   Jan-17-09 12:40 PM   #143 
  - K&R  blindpig   Jan-16-09 04:53 PM   #12 
  - People are people are people...  maryf   Jan-16-09 05:16 PM   #18 
  - Your essay was well worth the read, but  varelse   Jan-16-09 08:12 PM   #68 
     - Answers are most often simple  maryf   Jan-16-09 08:25 PM   #70 
  - As a matter of fact, they are likely to be less naturally spiritual.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jan-16-09 06:00 PM   #45 
     - From the sermon on the mount  maryf   Jan-16-09 06:22 PM   #48 
        - I believe the words of The Sermon on the Mount are widely held to be  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jan-16-09 06:34 PM   #50 
        - The Beatitudes  maryf   Jan-16-09 06:54 PM   #53 
        - That's beautiful.  Tindalos   Jan-16-09 07:52 PM   #63 
        - Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice...  JeffR   Jan-17-09 12:22 AM   #93 
           - I won't be full...  maryf   Jan-17-09 12:14 PM   #136 
           - It would be nice to feel the "blessed" part....  bobbolink   Jan-21-09 01:13 PM   #228 
  - Thank you Mary for taking the time to write this -  1776Forever   Jan-16-09 04:55 PM   #13 
  - That is so wrong...  dajoki   Jan-16-09 05:06 PM   #15 
  - Thanks for the post - You are so right on!  1776Forever   Jan-16-09 05:26 PM   #25 
     - I hope it KEEPS getting better  dajoki   Jan-16-09 05:48 PM   #36 
  - Healthcare is a huge cause  maryf   Jan-16-09 05:20 PM   #19 
  - Yes so true - One day I hope we really do help the least of these for real!  1776Forever   Jan-16-09 05:27 PM   #26 
     - Here's an article I just got on single payer healthcare  maryf   Jan-16-09 05:56 PM   #40 
     - Please help us by working for low-income housing!!!  bobbolink   Jan-16-09 05:57 PM   #41 
        - Housing is such a critical issue to be addressed...  maryf   Jan-16-09 07:04 PM   #59 
  - I'm so glad your son is doing better.  illuminaughty   Jan-17-09 01:18 AM   #102 
  - K & R  JeffR   Jan-16-09 05:07 PM   #16 
  - Thanks JeffR!  maryf   Jan-16-09 05:22 PM   #22 
  - K&R!  redqueen   Jan-16-09 05:20 PM   #20 
  - K&R!  smokey nj   Jan-16-09 05:20 PM   #21 
  - Poverty in America is a great shame of this nation. rec'd  mod mom   Jan-16-09 05:24 PM   #23 
  - They are the exact words I use  dajoki   Jan-16-09 05:50 PM   #38 
  - You are too a writer and a fine one  skygazer   Jan-16-09 05:37 PM   #27 
  - I'm sorry for what you've been through... and so much appreciate your compassion!  bobbolink   Jan-16-09 05:45 PM   #34 
  - Absolutely people are people  maryf   Jan-16-09 05:47 PM   #35 
  - People keep saying the "new homeless" will change the US homeless awareness....WRONG!  bobbolink   Jan-16-09 05:38 PM   #28 
  - You are so right...  maryf   Jan-16-09 05:44 PM   #32 
  - K & R, and bookmarked to read later when I can give this the attention it deserves.  Raksha   Jan-16-09 05:39 PM   #29 
  - Thank you, Raksha  maryf   Jan-16-09 08:09 PM   #65 
  - excellent  Two Americas   Jan-16-09 05:40 PM   #30 
  - Back atya!  maryf   Jan-16-09 05:51 PM   #39 
  - K&R! n/t  junofeb   Jan-16-09 05:43 PM   #31 
  - Endorsed, kicked, and recommended.  Old Crusoe   Jan-16-09 05:49 PM   #37 
  - hey OC  Two Americas   Jan-16-09 05:57 PM   #42 
     - Hi, Two Americas. I think we've been on the same page for  Old Crusoe   Jan-16-09 05:59 PM   #44 
  - Just one quibble ...  NanceGreggs   Jan-16-09 05:57 PM   #43 
  - Thanks Nance!!  maryf   Jan-16-09 06:12 PM   #46 
  - It is long past time that we regroup and realize FDR's standard of "Four Freedoms"  TahitiNut   Jan-16-09 06:17 PM   #47 
  - When the "wealth" of a society  maryf   Jan-16-09 06:59 PM   #55 
  - "Freedom from Want" -- what a unique concept!  bobbolink   Jan-16-09 08:11 PM   #67 
     - Also from FDR ... The Economic Bill of Rights  TahitiNut   Jan-16-09 09:35 PM   #78 
        - "All of these rights spell security" - yes. & that's what's important, v.  Hannah Bell   Jan-17-09 02:49 AM   #105 
  - Kick!  JeffR   Jan-16-09 06:39 PM   #51 
  - poverty affects everything....  smorgma   Jan-16-09 06:59 PM   #54 
  - Thanks for the words of truth...  maryf   Jan-16-09 07:02 PM   #57 
  - Great OP- Thanks Mary!  MartyL   Jan-16-09 07:03 PM   #58 
  - I'm afraid the death noll is sounding  maryf   Jan-16-09 07:07 PM   #60 
  - From the time of the Revolution to the present, ordinary Americans  Hannah Bell   Jan-16-09 07:11 PM   #61 
  - You're words are always inspirational  maryf   Jan-16-09 07:20 PM   #62 
     - I'm just reading in another thread where some 52-lb 8-yr-old asberger's girl was arrested  Hannah Bell   Jan-16-09 10:41 PM   #87 
        - another sad indication of the loss of heart in society...  maryf   Jan-17-09 03:03 PM   #157 
        - Oops! Posted in the wrong place.  Cleita   Jan-19-09 04:06 PM   #217 
  - Great writing, Mary  Tindalos   Jan-16-09 08:10 PM   #66 
  - So glad you've caught the others...  maryf   Jan-16-09 08:21 PM   #69 
     - you know what  on the EDGE   Jan-16-09 08:33 PM   #72 
        - Giving from need...  maryf   Jan-16-09 09:53 PM   #80 
  - Auto K&R.  greyhound1966   Jan-16-09 08:35 PM   #73 
  - That is a really good point...  dajoki   Jan-17-09 12:56 AM   #99 
  - Nice work, Mary!  Number23   Jan-16-09 09:10 PM   #75 
  - Thanks!  maryf   Jan-16-09 09:55 PM   #81 
  - So many wonderful points and comments...what can I add?  Journalgrrl   Jan-16-09 09:14 PM   #76 
  - What can you add?  maryf   Jan-16-09 10:26 PM   #84 
  - thanks Mary  Journalgrrl   Jan-16-09 10:41 PM   #88 
     - Thats so insane!  maryf   Jan-16-09 11:27 PM   #90 
     - Uhhh yeah that is exactly what a DSHS worker would tell you ...  mntleo2   Jan-17-09 02:44 AM   #104 
        - Action repeated  maryf   Jan-17-09 11:16 AM   #119 
  - Dear Heart:  mntleo2   Jan-18-09 09:45 AM   #187 
  - Capitalism Creates Poverty  shintao   Jan-16-09 09:34 PM   #77 
  - Socialism is the humane system  maryf   Jan-16-09 10:05 PM   #82 
  - K&R  Blue_In_AK   Jan-16-09 09:41 PM   #79 
  - Links to other Poverty in America articles by JeffR and Hannah Bell here  maryf   Jan-16-09 10:16 PM   #83 
  - Thanks for posting the links.  Tindalos   Jan-17-09 01:05 AM   #100 
  - Thanks for the links Mary...  dajoki   Jan-17-09 01:07 AM   #101 
  - It seems like every generation has to re-learn the lessons missed by the previous one.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-16-09 10:29 PM   #85 
  - Excellent post!  JNelson6563   Jan-16-09 10:30 PM   #86 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Jan-16-09 11:56 PM   #92 
  - kicking for the nite shift  Hannah Bell   Jan-17-09 12:31 AM   #95 
  - An artist AND a writer! Beautiful piece. K&R  illuminaughty   Jan-17-09 12:49 AM   #97 
  - Excellent writing. We must roll back Welfare Reform.  Artiechoke   Jan-17-09 04:57 AM   #107 
  - K&R Mary  caseycoon   Jan-17-09 06:14 AM   #108 
  - Glad you like it!  maryf   Jan-17-09 06:23 AM   #109 
  - A superb post  malaise   Jan-17-09 06:30 AM   #110 
  - Morning kick n/t  blindpig   Jan-17-09 07:15 AM   #111 
  - Kick  machI   Jan-17-09 07:48 AM   #113 
  - Such a great OP, by a writer and artist.  Bluenorthwest   Jan-17-09 08:44 AM   #114 
  - Thanks!!  maryf   Jan-17-09 01:00 PM   #146 
  - Error: You've already recommended that thread.  Tindalos   Jan-17-09 10:49 AM   #118 
  - Thanks for shooting for two recs!!!  maryf   Jan-17-09 11:19 AM   #120 
  - yeah, me too!  bobbolink   Jan-17-09 11:38 AM   #124 
  - RE: "The dead and desperate of the Gulf Coast...  cliffordu   Jan-17-09 11:28 AM   #122 
  - Wonderful post. Absolutely wonderful. Which reminded me of something.  acmavm   Jan-17-09 11:50 AM   #129 
  - Yours is a wonderful post!!! Should be its own OP!!  maryf   Jan-17-09 12:12 PM   #135 
  - Thank you so much for your compassion and empathy, maryf.  I Have A Dream   Jan-17-09 12:02 PM   #131 
  - Thanks to all for making Poverty #1 at DU  maryf   Jan-17-09 12:26 PM   #140 
  - This belongs at the top of the Greatest Page.  JeffR   Jan-17-09 12:35 PM   #142 
     - With a little help (lotta help!) from my friends!  maryf   Jan-17-09 12:42 PM   #144 
  - Please keep poverty #1 in our hearts, and give this a RECOMMENDATION!  bobbolink   Jan-17-09 12:50 PM   #145 
  - This needs kicking into the new administration... . .n/t  annabanana   Jan-17-09 01:10 PM   #147 
  - ......  bobbolink   Jan-17-09 01:13 PM   #148 
  - Thanks Anna!  maryf   Jan-17-09 01:14 PM   #149 
  - Values have to change. We have to learn that those that we look up to  acmavm   Jan-17-09 01:34 PM   #150 
  - The juxtapostion of those two stories is really GRAPHIC!  bobbolink   Jan-17-09 01:55 PM   #151 
  - Well, thank you.  acmavm   Jan-17-09 01:57 PM   #152 
  - Thanks for these articles  maryf   Jan-17-09 02:32 PM   #153 
  - Sorry! Just testing something JeffR is trying to help me with...  acmavm   Jan-17-09 03:13 PM   #158 
     - If its for your own OP  maryf   Jan-17-09 04:06 PM   #162 
        - Nah, we got it. Thank you though.  acmavm   Jan-17-09 04:24 PM   #165 
           - Can't tell???  maryf   Jan-17-09 04:43 PM   #166 
              - I FINALLY got the banner.  acmavm   Jan-17-09 04:45 PM   #167 
                 - HURRAH!! You look so very good in it! ^_^  bobbolink   Jan-17-09 04:51 PM   #168 
                 - Yes, I've always been partial to blue, It brings out the color in my eyes.  acmavm   Jan-17-09 04:52 PM   #169 
                    - ....  bobbolink   Jan-17-09 05:00 PM   #170 
                       - How about everyone here take a pledge. Every time you see a display  acmavm   Jan-17-09 05:20 PM   #171 
                 - it is so.....you!  Two Americas   Jan-17-09 07:03 PM   #174 
                 - AAhhh!!  maryf   Jan-17-09 08:27 PM   #177 
  - K, R & Forward!  LongTomH   Jan-17-09 03:13 PM   #159 
  - Thank you! It deserves to be read!  bobbolink   Jan-17-09 03:59 PM   #161 
  - Thank you Tom!! nt  maryf   Jan-17-09 04:07 PM   #163 
  - Quick kick!  JeffR   Jan-17-09 03:37 PM   #160 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Jan-17-09 04:08 PM   #164 
  - Damn, too late to rec, but here's a kick.  20score   Jan-17-09 05:36 PM   #172 
  - I am in awe  Two Americas   Jan-17-09 07:07 PM   #175 
  - The Gestalt  maryf   Jan-17-09 08:36 PM   #178 
  - Too important to sink. nt  I Have A Dream   Jan-17-09 07:31 PM   #176 
  - Kick for those who haven't yet read it.  JeffR   Jan-17-09 10:35 PM   #180 
  - Kick  strategery blunder   Jan-17-09 11:25 PM   #181 
  - and kick for the nite shift  Hannah Bell   Jan-18-09 01:36 AM   #182 
  - thank YOU! We're glad you dropped in. ^_^  bobbolink   Jan-18-09 01:12 PM   #189 
  - Sunday morning kick! n/t  timeforarevolution   Jan-18-09 07:06 AM   #185 
  - Kick!  Tindalos   Jan-18-09 12:44 PM   #188 
  - Poverty at OPED news  maryf   Jan-18-09 03:20 PM   #190 
  - Congratulations, Mary!! See, you ARE a writer!  bobbolink   Jan-18-09 04:07 PM   #191 
  - In training maybe!!  maryf   Jan-18-09 04:35 PM   #192 
     - heh... look at this comment:  bobbolink   Jan-18-09 04:57 PM   #196 
  - Great to see that, Mary.  JeffR   Jan-18-09 04:41 PM   #195 
  - thanks JeffR  maryf   Jan-18-09 10:45 PM   #204 
  - Yay!  Tindalos   Jan-18-09 08:53 PM   #203 
     - Thank you!  maryf   Jan-18-09 10:47 PM   #206 
  - Bonus Poverty in America Essay, here...In honor of MLK jr.  maryf   Jan-18-09 04:36 PM   #193 
  - Thanks for the link!  JeffR   Jan-18-09 04:40 PM   #194 
  - You know it!!  maryf   Jan-18-09 05:11 PM   #198 
  - Thank you.  Tindalos   Jan-18-09 10:46 PM   #205 
     - Yes  maryf   Jan-18-09 11:51 PM   #208 
  - kick  MartyL   Jan-18-09 05:01 PM   #197 
  - Radical revolution in Values!!  maryf   Jan-18-09 05:12 PM   #199 
  - kicking.  cornermouse   Jan-19-09 03:26 AM   #209 
  - Kick for the morning crowd. n/t  Tindalos   Jan-19-09 08:49 AM   #210 
  - On Tuesday, it was -30 and it was my night to go to the homeless  wellstone dem   Jan-19-09 10:54 AM   #211 
  - FDR's New Deal, despite the drivel you will hear from Republican think  Old Crusoe   Jan-19-09 11:41 AM   #212 
  - K & R  BrklynLiberal   Jan-19-09 12:38 PM   #213 
  - Please remember what Martin said about poverty.. it still applies!  bobbolink   Jan-19-09 03:13 PM   #214 
  - Kick!  smokey nj   Jan-19-09 03:52 PM   #215 
  - We had a welfare system that sort of worked once in California.  Cleita   Jan-19-09 04:09 PM   #218 
  - During the commentary on the ceremonies today, I heard Tweety compare himself  greyhound1966   Jan-20-09 11:31 PM   #226 
     - Well, I'm sort of wondering about Tweety. It seems he joins the winning  Cleita   Jan-20-09 11:35 PM   #227 
        - Just as he did over the Clinton/shrub transition. He is an entertainer, not a journalist. n/t  greyhound1966   Jan-22-09 01:25 PM   #231 
  - kicking for Monday night  Tindalos   Jan-19-09 06:47 PM   #219 
  - A kick for the excellence of the essay in the first place, and also for  Old Crusoe   Jan-19-09 08:25 PM   #220 
  - Thank you Old Crusoe!!  maryf   Jan-19-09 09:12 PM   #221 
     - Hi, maryf. Yes -- emmylou is strictly top-drawer.  Old Crusoe   Jan-19-09 09:28 PM   #222 
  - Kick for the poor...  maryf   Jan-20-09 09:40 PM   #223 
  - I just had the same idea myself.  JeffR   Jan-20-09 09:44 PM   #224 
     - Great minds...  maryf   Jan-21-09 08:29 PM   #230 
  - kicking for change  Tindalos   Jan-20-09 11:23 PM   #225 
 

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