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Response to Reply #165
166. I wasn't denying ignorance on my part
Edited on Sat Jan-10-09 10:31 PM by Two Americas
I was in charge of tracking down and researching various food claims for several years at work, regarding nutrition, toxicity and allergies. That often involved weeks of work on one food, and meeting with the researchers and reading all of the research. So I should know better than to jump to conclusions, is my point. But since so many of the claims were hoaxes, I became jaded. Still, I never dismissed or ridiculed anyone from the public, and since all calls regarding nutrition and toxicity were routed to my desk I probably spoke with several thousand consumers. As you can imagine, I heard it all.
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  -joel stein -"nut allergies-a yuppie invention" madrchsod  Jan-10-09 03:00 PM   #0 
  - yeah he's an asshole. Butt (and it is a big butt)  Warren Stupidity   Jan-10-09 03:06 PM   #1 
  - Apparently kids are being sensitized when parents  Warpy   Jan-10-09 03:46 PM   #16 
  - Peanut butter was around in the 50s as much or more than now  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:13 PM   #30 
     - Yes, but people weren't giving it to infants.  Warpy   Jan-10-09 05:10 PM   #76 
        - In my house they did.  bamalib   Jan-10-09 05:31 PM   #86 
        - When we (Boomers) were infants it was thought the sooner solids were introduced, the better  dflprincess   Jan-10-09 08:42 PM   #152 
  - Yeah, I thought breast feeding was supposed to protect kids from allergies  sybylla   Jan-10-09 03:50 PM   #19 
  - Perhaps, it is because they have been genetically altered or  Jeanette in FL   Jan-10-09 03:50 PM   #20 
  - or a combo of genetic mutation & pesto-crapola poison  SpiralHawk   Jan-10-09 04:25 PM   #35 
  - actually, you nailed it.  Maine-ah   Jan-11-09 07:48 AM   #182 
  - Maybe better record keeping  DBoon   Jan-10-09 04:11 PM   #28 
  - Serious nut allergies are a clue  KT2000   Jan-10-09 04:27 PM   #38 
  - I agree, it's a clue  laundry_queen   Jan-10-09 07:45 PM   #137 
  - My dad had two friends in the 60s who had kids die of nut allergies  gollygee   Jan-10-09 07:49 PM   #138 
  - You're applying current techniques to autopsy 50 year old corpses?  argonchloride   Jan-10-09 09:02 PM   #156 
     - They had autopsies back in the 60s that showed they died of peanut allergies  gollygee   Jan-11-09 08:59 AM   #183 
  - There is some evidence that it is caused by avoiding all exposure.  alarimer   Jan-10-09 11:13 PM   #170 
  - See the "Hygiene Hypothesis"...  Tesha   Jan-11-09 09:48 AM   #184 
  - I have friends who avoid nuts and legums while pregnant and breastfeeding  gollygee   Jan-11-09 10:03 AM   #186 
  - I have to say  Dorian Gray   Jan-11-09 02:28 PM   #192 
     - I'm not really taking a position here.  Warren Stupidity   Jan-11-09 03:41 PM   #197 
        - I should have been more clear about what I think, too  Dorian Gray   Jan-13-09 09:37 AM   #213 
  - My mother is allergic to peanuts and almonds.  PM Martin   Jan-10-09 03:08 PM   #2 
  - My precious niece almost died from a reaction to peanuts  exboyfil   Jan-10-09 03:19 PM   #6 
  - Maybe if you weren't so liberal your mother wouldn't be allergic to peanuts.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 03:56 PM   #23 
     - I've noticed that quite a few of your posts are merely "hurling bombs".  Tesha   Jan-11-09 09:50 AM   #185 
  - Well, he does have a point...peanut butter is main ingredient in that stuff they feed starving  argonchloride   Jan-10-09 03:09 PM   #3 
  - Yes, I'm sure they keep scrupulous records...  ljm2002   Jan-10-09 03:37 PM   #13 
  - We had a fight with a restaurant chain over labeling.  Ms. Toad   Jan-10-09 07:07 PM   #129 
  - It's maddening that they do things like this...  ljm2002   Jan-10-09 08:19 PM   #150 
     - Hidden ingredients are one thing -  Ms. Toad   Jan-10-09 08:25 PM   #151 
        - Yes, that's what gets me mad too...  ljm2002   Jan-10-09 08:58 PM   #155 
  - I've never met someone with a fish allergy.  laundry_queen   Jan-10-09 07:59 PM   #140 
     - Yes, fish allergy is rare but not unheard-of...  ljm2002   Jan-10-09 08:16 PM   #148 
        - you poor thing!  mrs_p   Jan-10-09 09:04 PM   #159 
  - Those starving kids in Africa  Warpy   Jan-10-09 03:47 PM   #17 
  - Yeah.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 04:03 PM   #25 
     - But if that were true there would be no adults there.  argonchloride   Jan-10-09 05:35 PM   #89 
  - It might be how they process the nuts now -  haele   Jan-10-09 03:13 PM   #4 
  - I don't think it matters if it's commercial or organicc my daughter was eating organic peanut butter  MiltonF   Jan-10-09 03:27 PM   #7 
     - That's scary. How old is she? Was that the first time she ever ate peanut butter?  argonchloride   Jan-10-09 03:29 PM   #9 
        - She was 3 and it was the first time she had peanuts.  MiltonF   Jan-10-09 03:34 PM   #10 
           - Well you should just stop being such a goddamn yuppie and then it would be fine.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 03:52 PM   #21 
  - Joel is an ass sometimes, but there is some truth  louis-t   Jan-10-09 03:16 PM   #5 
  - If you see a small child reacting to peanuts you may take it more seriously. n/t  Libertyfirst   Jan-10-09 03:28 PM   #8 
  - I never said it doesn't exist.  louis-t   Jan-10-09 03:35 PM   #11 
  - Your body can change as you get older.  MiltonF   Jan-10-09 03:39 PM   #14 
  - Fine, but attributing hypochondria to political leanings is dumb as dirt.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 03:55 PM   #22 
  - You win  Caretha   Jan-10-09 06:37 PM   #119 
  - Allergies often develop over time, and if your mother is not otherwise a hypochondriac  ThruTheLookingGlass   Jan-10-09 05:51 PM   #104 
  - Yeah, right  Canuckistanian   Jan-10-09 03:37 PM   #12 
  - Yet peanut allergies are unheard of in Africa  mainer   Jan-10-09 03:44 PM   #15 
  - The "overly clean theory" is bull, I think.  Perragrande   Jan-10-09 04:00 PM   #24 
  - There are multiple layers of nonsense here.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 04:08 PM   #26 
  - A dirty environment may not be deadly and a 100% clean environment may be impossible,  MH1   Jan-10-09 05:46 PM   #100 
     - Well, yeah.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 05:55 PM   #106 
  - It's well-documented  mainer   Jan-11-09 03:54 PM   #199 
     - Are they really unheard of?  knitter4democracy   Jan-11-09 05:56 PM   #208 
  - I grew up on a farm. I had and still have asthma. So does my dad.  knitter4democracy   Jan-11-09 05:54 PM   #207 
  - This piece is idiotic.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 03:48 PM   #18 
  - correct answer.  foo_bar   Jan-10-09 04:09 PM   #27 
  - Obviously those are yuppie mammals.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 04:20 PM   #33 
  - Got that :wank emoticon: for you...  SidDithers   Jan-10-09 06:51 PM   #126 
  - Indeed  Canuckistanian   Jan-10-09 05:58 PM   #109 
  - Awareness of an issue = panic.  Tindalos   Jan-10-09 04:12 PM   #29 
  - Stein is absolutely correct  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:16 PM   #31 
  - Which clearly explains why my nephew gets hives and can barely breathe if he has peanuts  tammywammy   Jan-10-09 04:20 PM   #32 
  - My sarcasm detector is broken.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 04:22 PM   #34 
  - How come this exists in just the last 10 or 15 years?  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:25 PM   #36 
     - Is there a massive conspiracy among toddlers to invent a peanut allergy? n/t  tammywammy   Jan-10-09 04:27 PM   #37 
     - No. Stupidity and medical ignorance by their lazy parents.  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:31 PM   #40 
        - Really?  tammywammy   Jan-10-09 04:33 PM   #42 
           - I would tell her if I had the contact info.  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:37 PM   #46 
              - Why don't you give US some info.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 04:42 PM   #52 
                 - A study trying to disprove a made-up assertion? LOL  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:51 PM   #63 
                    - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-10-09 04:54 PM   #67 
                    - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-10-09 04:54 PM   #68 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-10-09 04:31 PM   #41 
     - I'm 45 and have had anaphalactic nut allergies since 2 yrs old.  alittlelark   Jan-10-09 05:47 PM   #101 
     - Peanuts aren't nuts. They're legumes. nt  mycritters2   Jan-10-09 06:18 PM   #114 
        - They are the ONLY legume I am allergic to.  alittlelark   Jan-10-09 06:19 PM   #115 
     - I am nearly 60. I have an allergy to most tree nuts.. a serious, anaphylactic  annabanana   Jan-10-09 05:52 PM   #105 
     - Charles Richet won the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1913...  SidDithers   Jan-10-09 07:03 PM   #128 
  - stein is not a doctor...  rosebud57   Jan-10-09 04:29 PM   #39 
  - You know little about "research" articles by professionals  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:34 PM   #44 
     - That's funny.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 04:45 PM   #55 
     - After I graduated law school I don't get into them as often as I used to.  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:48 PM   #60 
        - You practice law?  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 04:52 PM   #64 
        - I am in Arizona now.  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:54 PM   #66 
           - again are you lying? or too lazy to change your profile?  katusha   Jan-10-09 04:58 PM   #70 
           - Yes it is.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 05:03 PM   #72 
           - thanks i was getting confused n/t  katusha   Jan-10-09 05:06 PM   #73 
           - ASU is the biggest now.  bamalib   Jan-10-09 05:08 PM   #75 
              - So arguing an idiot point contrary to accepted medical science...  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 05:12 PM   #77 
              - It is not "accepted medical science"  bamalib   Jan-10-09 05:24 PM   #82 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-10-09 05:28 PM   #84 
                 - so far you've been wrong on every count  katusha   Jan-10-09 05:35 PM   #90 
                    - How the fuck did we even get onto the subjects of circuit courts and the size of OSU anyway?  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 05:40 PM   #93 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-10-09 05:43 PM   #95 
                    - Don't insult iron workers like that.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 05:45 PM   #98 
                       - true, true, my apologies to iron workers. n/t  katusha   Jan-10-09 05:46 PM   #99 
                    - No, other people brought that up if you look at the posts.  bamalib   Jan-10-09 06:50 PM   #125 
                    - Why would you even reply to me then?  bamalib   Jan-10-09 05:42 PM   #94 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-10-09 05:44 PM   #96 
                       - why wouldn't i reply to you?  katusha   Jan-10-09 05:56 PM   #108 
              - you can do better than that  katusha   Jan-10-09 05:13 PM   #78 
           - That's nice.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 04:59 PM   #71 
        - Practicing law doesn't require scientific acumen  depakid   Jan-10-09 05:33 PM   #88 
           - Actually, as someone with more than a passing  Ms. Toad   Jan-10-09 07:30 PM   #136 
              - There's overlap of course  depakid   Jan-10-09 08:54 PM   #153 
                 - Just like bad law, there is also bad science  Ms. Toad   Jan-10-09 10:33 PM   #167 
     - risk for a fatal anaphylactic episode as in FATAL, fatal is not imaginary  rosebud57   Jan-10-09 06:05 PM   #110 
  - are you serious?  katusha   Jan-10-09 04:39 PM   #47 
  - You are citing Wikipedia as an authoritative source?  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:41 PM   #51 
     - for us libruls who can't tell if you're being sarcastic... what are your thoughts on evolution?  foo_bar   Jan-10-09 04:42 PM   #53 
     - Does calling yourself a "liberal" mean you believe any bullshit that is thrown your way?  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:45 PM   #56 
        - gotcha. so you aren't kidding?  foo_bar   Jan-10-09 04:49 PM   #61 
     - everyone of those has a source attributed  katusha   Jan-10-09 04:46 PM   #57 
     - Actually he was citing a press release from the food allergy & anaphylaxis network  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 04:48 PM   #59 
  - I've seen some really stupid posts on DU during the 5 years I've been here  distantearlywarning   Jan-10-09 04:49 PM   #62 
  - Come on you can come up with something  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:56 PM   #69 
  - Alternatively...  baby_mouse   Jan-11-09 04:47 AM   #179 
  - Seriously.  janesez   Jan-13-09 09:50 AM   #214 
  - Can we PLEASE ban stupid people from posting here?  lynyrd_skynyrd   Jan-10-09 05:19 PM   #80 
  - Do you think you will make the cut?  bamalib   Jan-10-09 05:26 PM   #83 
  - DU is one of the smarter places on the net  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 06:17 PM   #113 
  - God, wouldn't that be GREAT? BUT...  baby_mouse   Jan-11-09 05:05 AM   #180 
  - There may have been people who were born with a sensitivity to  SoCalDem   Jan-10-09 08:16 PM   #147 
  - Not new. Read medieval lit.  knitter4democracy   Jan-11-09 05:57 PM   #209 
  - Joel Stein is another John Stossel, both agendized idiots!  DailyGrind51   Jan-10-09 04:34 PM   #43 
  - there was no such thing in the 70&80's..now it's trendy.  ileus   Jan-10-09 04:35 PM   #45 
  - Cite?  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 04:40 PM   #48 
  - bullshit.  foo_bar   Jan-10-09 04:40 PM   #49 
  - bullshit.  foo_bar   Jan-10-09 04:40 PM   #50 
  - So we should ban peanuts, milk, eggs and soybeans.  bamalib   Jan-10-09 04:44 PM   #54 
     - wtf?  foo_bar   Jan-10-09 04:47 PM   #58 
     - Oh that is coming, rest assured.  bamalib   Jan-10-09 06:49 PM   #124 
        - Yeah. They're already making people turn in their pets! Wait.  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 08:13 PM   #144 
           - Wait it is.  bamalib   Jan-11-09 02:57 PM   #194 
     - A lawyer claiming that nut allergies don't exist.  tabasco   Jan-10-09 05:24 PM   #81 
        - I am a criminal lawyer. I don't sue people.  bamalib   Jan-10-09 05:29 PM   #85 
        - What does this mean?  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 05:33 PM   #87 
        - you're a lawyer, and I'm the king of the Moon  katusha   Jan-10-09 05:37 PM   #91 
        - What do you want - my bar number?  bamalib   Jan-10-09 07:16 PM   #132 
           - o-ho so i was right!  katusha   Jan-10-09 07:53 PM   #139 
        - lol  Two Americas   Jan-10-09 06:09 PM   #111 
           - Except there's nothing authoritarian about accepting the existence  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 06:27 PM   #117 
              - there are all sorts of hazards in life  Two Americas   Jan-10-09 06:40 PM   #121 
                 - Yeah  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 06:47 PM   #122 
                    - why such hostlity?  Two Americas   Jan-10-09 07:16 PM   #131 
                       - You were defending a person who says it doesn't exist  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 07:28 PM   #135 
                          - a suggestion  Two Americas   Jan-10-09 08:15 PM   #145 
                             - That sounds nice.  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 09:04 PM   #158 
                                - thank you  Two Americas   Jan-10-09 09:27 PM   #162 
                                - When talking about the deadly food allergies? Yes. Peanuts and tree nuts.  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 09:43 PM   #164 
                                - that could well be  Two Americas   Jan-10-09 09:42 PM   #163 
                                   - I'll word that differently  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 09:56 PM   #165 
                                      - I wasn't denying ignorance on my part  Two Americas   Jan-10-09 10:30 PM   #166 
                                         - Oh, I'm sure you did.  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 10:36 PM   #168 
                                            - thanks  Two Americas   Jan-10-09 11:05 PM   #169 
        - That's not true.  yibbehobba   Jan-10-09 05:37 PM   #92 
           - Went to ASU  bamalib   Jan-10-09 07:21 PM   #133 
              - names please  katusha   Jan-10-09 08:00 PM   #141 
                 - Proof? Do you want me to post my transcript?  bamalib   Jan-11-09 12:42 AM   #175 
                    - Why don't you just admit  Pithlet   Jan-11-09 12:56 AM   #176 
                    - yes, actually, you've demonstrated no reliability  katusha   Jan-11-09 02:53 AM   #177 
                       - I have failed to earn the trust of some anonymous electrons on the internet  bamalib   Jan-11-09 10:58 AM   #187 
                          - oh you will go on lying alright  katusha   Jan-11-09 01:26 PM   #188 
                             - I said it was 52 and it's 52  bamalib   Jan-11-09 02:06 PM   #189 
                                - pathetic  katusha   Jan-11-09 02:26 PM   #191 
                                   - It is 52 in my link. Please wipe your glasses granny.  bamalib   Jan-11-09 02:53 PM   #193 
                                      - perhaps you should post as bamachicken then  katusha   Jan-11-09 03:22 PM   #195 
                                         - Since you are not concerned about identity theft  bamalib   Jan-11-09 03:52 PM   #198 
                                            - you first bamaCHICKEN, bok, bok!  katusha   Jan-11-09 04:06 PM   #200 
                                               - I am concerned about identity theft unlike you  bamalib   Jan-11-09 04:16 PM   #201 
                                                  - oooh BamaCHICKEN is really scared now.  katusha   Jan-11-09 04:33 PM   #203 
                                                  - When the social worker from community services comes over  bamalib   Jan-11-09 05:11 PM   #204 
                                                  - tsk, tsk, scared and grasping at straws  katusha   Jan-11-09 05:21 PM   #205 
                                                  - In my field I work with social workers all the time.  bamalib   Jan-11-09 07:03 PM   #210 
                                                  - since you are the one with delusions of grandeur  katusha   Jan-11-09 07:50 PM   #211 
                                                  - Is that picture an x-ray of your brain?  bamalib   Jan-11-09 08:08 PM   #212 
  - I had it in the 60's... I'm 45 now.  alittlelark   Jan-10-09 05:47 PM   #102 
  - Apparently you're totally making it up, you authoritarian wuss.  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 06:33 PM   #118 
  - When you make things up and post hem on the Internet people notice and tell you you're being stupid.  baby_mouse   Jan-11-09 04:44 AM   #178 
  - WHAT??????!!!!!!!???? I watched a child go into Anaphylactic shock once  Taverner   Jan-10-09 04:52 PM   #65 
  - More scientific illiteracy from the so called "mainstream" media  depakid   Jan-10-09 05:08 PM   #74 
  - Scientific illiteracy from posters in this thread too...nt  SidDithers   Jan-10-09 11:20 PM   #171 
  - Irresponsible fuck  ismnotwasm   Jan-10-09 05:18 PM   #79 
  - It is. And it can get people killed.  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 06:56 PM   #127 
  - I've been 'dead' for 20 or so seconds from the 'yuppie invention'  alittlelark   Jan-10-09 05:45 PM   #97 
  - Stein is a nut and as far as I know no one is allergic to Stein  whistler162   Jan-10-09 05:48 PM   #103 
  - Have Americans Gone Nuts Over Nut Allergies?  Two Americas   Jan-10-09 05:55 PM   #107 
  - Oh wahhh. Little pwecious might have to eat a baloney sandwich, instead!  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 07:08 PM   #130 
  - That's a dangerous person who doesn't care how he gets publicity!  mucifer   Jan-10-09 06:11 PM   #112 
  - The utter wussification of Americans has indeed gotten a lot worse over the last decade or so.  BlooInBloo   Jan-10-09 06:21 PM   #116 
  - Indeed. There is a movement to reduce every person to the lowest common denominator  argonchloride   Jan-10-09 06:40 PM   #120 
     - Don't include me in your "I hate political correctness" rant....  BlooInBloo   Jan-10-09 06:48 PM   #123 
     - It most certainly IS what you were talking about. Unless you were unsuccessfully trying for  argonchloride   Jan-10-09 08:57 PM   #154 
     - nice try  Two Americas   Jan-10-09 07:23 PM   #134 
        - No, the rightwingers deny facts. I can't imagine why you are doing it  argonchloride   Jan-10-09 09:05 PM   #160 
  - This flamewar is just nuts.  flvegan   Jan-10-09 08:01 PM   #142 
  - wow...my only flame fest since joining jan 2002.....  madrchsod   Jan-10-09 08:10 PM   #143 
     - This thread is so nuts, it's making me itch.  flvegan   Jan-10-09 08:16 PM   #146 
  - Is "Joel Stein" Savage Weiner's real name?  KamaAina   Jan-10-09 08:18 PM   #149 
  - So if we ignore these allergies will dead children be the next yuppie trend?  JVS   Jan-10-09 09:03 PM   #157 
  - I know. I don't get the "x condition isn't real" trend.  Pithlet   Jan-10-09 09:17 PM   #161 
  - "I was unaware of the existence of Joel Stein before today. I wish I still was." - Snorghagen  struggle4progress   Jan-10-09 11:52 PM   #172 
  - See, I think it's that he tries to pull off a certain type of humor  Pithlet   Jan-11-09 12:33 AM   #174 
  - Allergies can make NO SENSE: I found myself allergic to NEEM  JCMach1   Jan-11-09 12:30 AM   #173 
  - I'm 57 and have had food/inhalant allergies all of my life  DainBramaged   Jan-11-09 06:43 AM   #181 
  - The only thing that surprised me on this thread is that there has been no response from T.H. that  lonestarnot   Jan-11-09 02:12 PM   #190 
  - I'd probably have a sneezing spell in the presence of Mr. Stein  Jack Rabbit   Jan-11-09 03:27 PM   #196 
  - Africans and peanut allergies -- it's early exposure that protects them  mainer   Jan-11-09 04:19 PM   #202 
  - You have to have good nutrition AND childhood exposure to be allergic  McCamy Taylor   Jan-11-09 05:33 PM   #206 
 

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